SAM's NBA Hit List

[SecretAgentMan]

Same premise as the NFL one. I will be judging teams. Not ranking, but going in depth.

In order of depth chart

[flaccopoe]

How many are you going to do at a time?  Also, I assumeyou're skipping nfl and 5SB?

[SecretAgentMan]

One. But im starting this as soon as the draft ends(maybe on Saturday)

[flaccopoe]

How many are you going to do at a time?  Also, I assume you're skipping nfl and 5SB?

[SecretAgentMan]

Boom goes the dynamite


Starting five:
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: James Harden
SF: Harrison Barnes
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Larry Sanders

Bench:
PG Patrick Beverley/Trey Burke
SG Lance Stephenson/Marco Belinelli
SF Steve Novak/John Salmons
PF Terrence Jones/Donatas Motiejunas
C Jonas Valančiūnas/Ekpe Udoh


This team has star power. Lots of it.

They have one of the best SGs in the game, and an absolute beast in Bosh.

Barnes is a very nice compliment and might develop into a star in his own right.

Calderon will be able to facilitate the ball well and run the team

Sanders is a very good center too.

The fact that he's developing Burke too, means he's thinking of the present and future. The team really has a lot of nice pieces. Jonas is a very good defensive player too

[gabefergy]

Chris Bosh is an absolute beast?

[CARavensFan]

Chris Bosh is an absolute beast?

What is this 2010 Chris Bosh?

[SecretAgentMan]

What is this 2010 Chris Bosh?

Assuming he's the #2 option I say his production increases.

[SecretAgentMan]

Chris Bosh is an absolute beast?

He's still a great PF.

As a #2 his numbers should go way up.

[gabefergy]

He's still a great PF.

As a #2 his numbers should go way up.

Color me skeptical.

[-Truth-]

Chris Bosh is an absolute beast?

 

It will help him to have Larry Sanders inside to do the dirty work. However, as an avid Miami fan, I'm a bit skeptical to label him as an, "absolute beast," as well.

[Geving]

Color me skeptical.

With Bosh being the second option, and focusing on him playing more with his back to the basket, playing a lot more around the rim, I would think he could go back to his old self. He's been playing soft and more around the perimeter to give room for Wade and James when they go to the basket. That's not going to be the focus on this team. He will only be around the perimeter when he sets picks for Harden, and either rolls to the basket or pop out for the jay. The rest of the time, he will spend on the block, where he can face up and hit the jumper or work with his back to the basket. This focus will probably lead to higher rebounding numbers again too. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's being misused on the Heat imo.

 

This team has a steady veteran PG in Calderon that can share the ball, have low turnovers and shoot lights out when open. Burke will be brought along slowly to take his shoes one day. Beverly as the energizer bunny off the bench.

 

Harden as the all star number one option. With Lance getting minutes at both the 2 and 3. Salmons is veteran scorer, and Belinelli can step up if there are injuries. Novak is my 3 point specialist.

 

Bosh is covered. Jones and D-Mo, both young with lots of potential and are being groomed for the future while backing him up.

 

Sanders is my rim protector with a very solid young C in Valanciunas backing him up. Udoh can also step up and be that guy if injuries occur.

 

It would be a lot more interesting if you commented on the team, and how it's build before starting comment on just a single player and what you think of him.

[gabefergy]

With Bosh being the second option, and focusing on him playing more with his back to the basket, playing a lot more around the rim, I would think he could go back to his old self. He's been playing soft and more around the perimeter to give room for Wade and James when they go to the basket. That's not going to be the focus on this team. He will only be around the perimeter when he sets picks for Harden, and either rolls to the basket or pop out for the jay. The rest of the time, he will spend on the block, where he can face up and hit the jumper or work with his back to the basket. This focus will probably lead to higher rebounding numbers again too. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's being misused on the Heat imo.

 

This team has a steady veteran PG in Calderon that can share the ball, have low turnovers and shoot lights out when open. Burke will be brought along slowly to take his shoes one day. Beverly as the energizer bunny off the bench.

 

Harden as the all star number one option. With Lance getting minutes at both the 2 and 3. Salmons is veteran scorer, and Belinelli can step up if there are injuries. Novak is my 3 point specialist.

 

Bosh is covered. Jones and D-Mo, both young with lots of potential and are being groomed for the future while backing him up.

 

Sanders is my rim protector with a very solid young C in Valanciunas backing him up. Udoh can also step up and be that guy if injuries occur.

 

It would be a lot more interesting if you commented on the team, and how it's build before starting comment on just a single player and what you think of him.

Even in his peak in Toronto, Bosh was never a dominant low post player. His game has always been more finesse. He is a very good shooter and he could take his opponent off the dribble as well. He's a very skilled big man, but I wouldnt call him a beast. It's just doesnt fit him.

[Geving]

Even in his peak in Toronto, Bosh was never a dominant low post player. His game has always been more finesse. He is a very good shooter and he could take his opponent off the dribble as well. He's a very skilled big man, but I wouldnt call him a beast. It's just doesnt fit him.

Finesse, yes, he can shoot, move and maneuver around the rim. But he was arguably one of the best low post players in Toronto imo. He could face up and shoot, he could and can also turn around and play with his back to the basket. 

Beast certainly doesn't fit him when he's the 3rd option and on a team that needs spacing when the two first options are perimeter players that thrive on driving and finishing around the rim.

Being the second option and another system could very well bring him back to where he was though. There's only one ball, and Wade and Lebron, even if they are willing passers, will dominate the ball.

And he was a beast in Toronto when he was the number one option.

[flaccopoe]

Irr, could you list the team owner next to the team's name?  I don't know most  of the team names, so this would help clarify who is who.

[SecretAgentMan]

Seattle Supersonics(Flaccopoe)

PG: Kyrie Irving, Victor Oladipo, Darren Collison, Jarrett Jack
SG: Victor Oladipo, Tim Hardaway Jr, Tony Snell
SF: Rudy Gay, Andrei Kirilenko, Sergey Karasev
PF: Kenneth Faried, Andrei Kirilenko, Mason Plumlee, Rudy Gobert
C: Kelly Olynyk, Sun Mingming, Cody Zeller, Rudy Gobert

The team has a lot of really nice pieces.
Irving, Gay, Faried, AK47, and Collison are all really good players

The problem here is there are not a lot of Veterans on this team. The team is REALLY young.

Poe here has built a team for the future, rather than being in win now mode.


Also, why are you starting Olynick over Zeller?

Zeller has a higher ceiling IMO.

This team will be really good in 3-4 years. I don't see it as that good NOW, but as a really good team of the future

[Geving]

Way to many rookies on that team imo. And that's from a draft class that's considered weak. Some players will of course make it and become solid players. But I'm also pretty sure that some players on this team will bust.

 

I really like Irving and Faried. Irving will/already is a star. Great player to build your franchise around. And Faried is one of my favorite players in the league. But I'm not a fan of this team outside of that tbh.

[Gordo52]

I also really like the combo of Irving & Faried. Add in Rudy Gay and that's a solid big 3..... But it's a team that's built for the future. I have no doubt Oladipo will be a beast but he's still gotta prove it. I don't like Olynyk at C. I think he's a gonna be a PF, and I think he'll be a solid player off the bench. I don't like him starting though. I don't like Zeller either.

[flaccopoe]

Way to many rookies on that team imo. And that's from a draft class that's considered weak. Some players will of course make it and become solid players. But I'm also pretty sure that some players on this team will bust.

 

I really like Irving and Faried. Irving will/already is a star. Great player to build your franchise around. And Faried is one of my favorite players in the league. But I'm not a fan of this team outside of that tbh.

 

No Rudy Gay, lol?

[SecretAgentMan]

EdReed20
PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: David West
C: Andre Drummond

Bench

PG: Eric Bledsoe
PG: Chauncey Billups
SG: Randy Foye
SG: Terrence Ross
SF: Paul Pierce
SF: Wes Johnson
PF: Ed Davis
PF: Drew Gooden
PF: Markieff Morris
C: Jermaine O'Neal

The team isn't perfect but it's very solid

First fatal flaw. Durant will once again never get the ball.

Jennings, while a very good guard, will be a ball hog again, and Durant will never be able to get the ball again.

That's about it for flaws :P
The defense looks like it will be good. Thabo is a very good defender, your depth at PG is good too.

Hell, your depth is good. Paul Pierce should make an excellent sixth man btw.

You have a good team

[SecretAgentMan]

Adam Sandler's Seattle Supersonicas

MY TEAM(It's going to be longer. I've wanted to do this for awhile. Clearing things up)

PG: Jrue Holiday
SG: Dwayne Wade
SF:Gerald Wallace
PF: David Lee
C: Nikola Peković

3 point specialist: Jameer Nelson
SG: MarShon Brooks
SF: Otto Porter
The Sixth Man: Pau Gasol
C: Nene

Adam Sandler's Personal Pick: Jordan Farmar
SG:Jason Terry
"The Prince" by Machiavelli: Luc Richard Mbah Moute
290 pounds of muscle, body fat, and cake: Glen Davis
C: Steven Adams


COACH: Doc Rivers
Assistant Coach: Jason Kidd
3 Point Shooting Coach: Reggie Miller

Well. Here's a review of my team.

It's top ten, but near the bottom.

I have a very good Guard tandem with Holliday and Wade. Both are excellent defenders, passers, and scorers. Holliday is also a good shooter and Wade is good at scoring in the paint. They compliment each other very nicely.

Lee and Pekovic also compliment each other nicely.
Lee's Mid Range Jumper opens things up for Peko. Who's an absolute MONSTER in the paint.

The complaint I have Received is that people don't like Wallace as a starter.

Neither do I, but I took him because he's an elite defender who can fill in at PF if I need him to be.
He can rebound with the best of the SFs, and with Lee and Peko, I have a good rebounding trio.

But he can't play offense, which is why I've subjected him to the "Artest roll". He's my fifth option in the lineup for scoring, but Im using him mainly for defense and rebounding.

So, to solve this dilemma, I took Otto Porter. He's a guy who I expect to be an elite defender. I don't need him to be an offensive superstar, but I want him to average 13/8 a night.

He will replace Wallace Mid Season.

Next controversy. People don't like Gasol.

What, he's one of the most skilled big men in the league and he's an average defender. Soft, but average. He's a great rebounder and has a good offensive skill set.

Plus, he's my 6th man. He will be fresher and less prone to injury.

And he's a leader and a good player to have on your team in general.


To compensate for the crappy D that Lee and Gasol both play, I took Glen Davis.

A very good defender who can score in the paint.

Now for the younger pieces.

Porter I've explained

Brooks.
Wade gets hurt a lot. So I took a great defender in MarShon. Brooks can score too, and he looks like a future all star in my eyes.


Adams.
Adams is the ultimate project.
His ceiling is great. But it's going to take awhile to get there. He's a really good defender who can keep a play alive with his offensive rebounding.

His defensive rebounding and scoring need work, but he's BIG. Very strong dude.

I think if I develop him enough, he could be a very good center.

I've got a nice group of shooters too with
Holliday, Porter, Terry, and Farmar.

Big men wise I'm good too. Nene and Peko are good in the paint while Gasol and Lee are skilled offensively everywhere. Davis can do it all.

The only thing I'm worried about is the development of my youth.

If Brooks and Porter develop to my standards, my team is elite IMHO.

If Adams also develops I'm a danger to a lot of other teams.


Big "Ifs" but look out if they do. That's what separates this team from "really good" and "elite"

[-Truth-]

We've spoken at length regarding your positives, which there are a very good deal of. Here are my concerns.

 

Wallace adds intrigue in his ability to cover the threes and fours, and is still a capable inside finisher. However, he could be a liability on the offensive end in being unable to help with the floor spacing. With his 28 FG% outside of the paint, which was surprisingly even worse from the mid-range alone, placing him in the Ron Artest role could be a more difficult adjustment than you might anticipate. During the Lakers Championship run, Artest was a much more efficient scorer from beyond the arc, converting 35.5% of his attempts. It's not necessarily about scoring itself, but rather keeping the defense honest. I would also disagree with Wallace being a very good rebounder for the SF position. On a Per 48 basis, Wallace only finished with 7.04 boards, placing him 16th among his position peers. For a player who doubles as a PF, those numbers are arguably below average.

I can't speak on Porter much, as I haven't scouted him personally. I've only read that he's struggled mightily in the Summer League. However, it's difficult to assess him as a very good shooter at this very moment considering how poorly he's fared against professional competition, competition that will only be more challenging from hereon in. He has the ceiling to be very efficient in every category, but there's no guarantee that he'd reach it, and his current performance isn't encouraging.

Lastly, there is a significant amount of overstatements. Namely, Jason Terry, "The greatest 3 point shooter of all time." Otto Porter, "Future Superstar." MarShon Brook, "great defender," and, "future all star." Team raters are expected to maintain the highest degree of fairness and lack of bias, and these three assessments have little merit behind them.

[SecretAgentMan]

We've spoken at length regarding your positives, which there are a very good deal of. Here are my concerns.

Wallace adds intrigue in his ability to cover the threes and fours, and is still a capable inside finisher. However, he could be a liability on the offensive end in being unable to help with the floor spacing. With his 28 FG% outside of the paint, which was surprisingly even worse from the mid-range alone, placing him in the Ron Artest role could be a more difficult adjustment than you might anticipate. During the Lakers Championship run, Artest was a much more efficient scorer from beyond the arc, converting 35.5% of his attempts. It's not necessarily about scoring itself, but rather keeping the defense honest. I would also disagree with Wallace being a very good rebounder for the SF position. On a Per 48 basis, Wallace only finished with 7.04 boards, placing him 16th among his position peers. For a player who doubles as a PF, those numbers are arguably below average.

I can't speak on Porter much, as I haven't scouted him personally. I've only read that he's struggled mightily in the Summer League. However, it's difficult to assess him as a very good shooter at this very moment considering how poorly he's fared against professional competition, competition that will only be more challenging from hereon in. He has the ceiling to be very efficient in every category, but there's no guarantee that he'd reach it, and his current performance isn't encouraging.

Lastly, there is a significant amount of overstatements. Namely, Jason Terry, "The greatest 3 point shooter of all time." Otto Porter, "Future Superstar." MarShon Brook, "great defender," and, "future all star." Team raters are expected to maintain the highest degree of fairness and lack of bias, and these three assessments have little merit behind them

I'm joking when I make my names.
Otto porter will never be a "superstar". He's not a good enough scorer

Terry is an elite shooter, but IK ppl who think this. That's me making fun of them lol.

Brooks is actually a great defender

If you want me to remove these I will. Gimme a while. I'm at a movie

[-Truth-]

I'm joking when I make my names.
Otto porter will never be a "superstar". He's not a good enough scorer

Terry is an elite shooter, but IK ppl who think this. That's me making fun of them lol.

Brooks is actually a great defender

If you want me to remove these I will. Gimme a while. I'm at a movie

 

I understand. However, this is a team rating thread, and every assessment thus far has been serious, so it does throw things off a little. Terry's definitely an elite shooter, and I wouldn't say that Porter will never be a Superstar. Just that he's not automatically destined to be. However, I would strongly disagree with Brooks being a great defender. He allowed 42.4% defensively, and was never known as a solid option on the defensive end. Thank you. Take your time, and I hope that you enjoy the movie. I apologize if I come off as too critical, as we've discussed at length all of the positives, which you've already outlined.

[SecretAgentMan]

I understand. However, this is a team rating thread, and every assessment thus far has been serious, so it does throw things off a little. Terry's definitely an elite shooter, and I wouldn't say that Porter will never be a Superstar. Just that he's not automatically destined to be. However, I would strongly disagree with Brooks being a great defender. He allowed 42.4% defensively, and was never known as a solid option on the defensive end. Thank you. Take your time, and I hope that you enjoy the movie. I apologize if I come off as too critical, as we've discussed at length all of the positives, which you've already outlined.

Well I'll be

Brooks should be at least a solid option for when Wade does get hurt. He's a big part of my team's future. If he's not an elite defender like I thought he was, that's fine. Some players evolve.

Terry is also an important part of my team.

If my game is on the line with about two minuets left I'm sending him in. He does well in those situations. As does Wade. I'm liking my team a lot lol.

The injury proneness of some of the players is a big concern tho

[-Truth-]

Well I'll be

Brooks should be at least a solid option for when Wade does get hurt. He's a big part of my team's future. If he's not an elite defender like I thought he was, that's fine. Some players evolve.

Terry is also an important part of my team.

If my game is on the line with about two minuets left I'm sending him in. He does well in those situations. As does Wade. I'm liking my team a lot lol.

The injury proneness of some of the players is a big concern tho

 

Brooks will be a very solid scoring option off the bench, not just when Wade's hurt, but to spell him and Terry as well. Speaking of which, Terry is a terrific addition. I very much like him and Wade in the clutch. You should have more than enough depth to balance out the injury concerns.

[flaccopoe]

We've spoken at length regarding your positives, which there are a very good deal of. Here are my concerns.

 

Wallace adds intrigue in his ability to cover the threes and fours, and is still a capable inside finisher. However, he could be a liability on the offensive end in being unable to help with the floor spacing. With his 28 FG% outside of the paint, which was surprisingly even worse from the mid-range alone, placing him in the Ron Artest role could be a more difficult adjustment than you might anticipate. During the Lakers Championship run, Artest was a much more efficient scorer from beyond the arc, converting 35.5% of his attempts. It's not necessarily about scoring itself, but rather keeping the defense honest. I would also disagree with Wallace being a very good rebounder for the SF position. On a Per 48 basis, Wallace only finished with 7.04 boards, placing him 16th among his position peers. For a player who doubles as a PF, those numbers are arguably below average.

I can't speak on Porter much, as I haven't scouted him personally. I've only read that he's struggled mightily in the Summer League. However, it's difficult to assess him as a very good shooter at this very moment considering how poorly he's fared against professional competition, competition that will only be more challenging from hereon in. He has the ceiling to be very efficient in every category, but there's no guarantee that he'd reach it, and his current performance isn't encouraging.

Lastly, there is a significant amount of overstatements. Namely, Jason Terry, "The greatest 3 point shooter of all time." Otto Porter, "Future Superstar." MarShon Brook, "great defender," and, "future all star." Team raters are expected to maintain the highest degree of fairness and lack of bias, and these three assessments have little merit behind them.

 

Burn!

[SecretAgentMan]

We've spoken at length regarding your positives, which there are a very good deal of. Here are my concerns.

 

Wallace adds intrigue in his ability to cover the threes and fours, and is still a capable inside finisher. However, he could be a liability on the offensive end in being unable to help with the floor spacing. With his 28 FG% outside of the paint, which was surprisingly even worse from the mid-range alone, placing him in the Ron Artest role could be a more difficult adjustment than you might anticipate. During the Lakers Championship run, Artest was a much more efficient scorer from beyond the arc, converting 35.5% of his attempts. It's not necessarily about scoring itself, but rather keeping the defense honest. I would also disagree with Wallace being a very good rebounder for the SF position. On a Per 48 basis, Wallace only finished with 7.04 boards, placing him 16th among his position peers. For a player who doubles as a PF, those numbers are arguably below average.

To address this now.

 

I've told you this, but I am making this clear for everyone.

 

I believe that every solid team has at least one guy who plays good defense, and will fight for his team to win (The Heat have Battier, The Thunder have Collison and Perkins, Lakers have Kobe who surprisingly fits that roll, Knicks have Artest). A player that understands his roll.

I'm not asking for Wallace to be a shooting threat, but to lock down the 3. To fight for his team to get the ball back. To be a gritty BB player. That's what I mean by "Ron Artest roll".

 

I need him to be a tough as nails defender who can occasionally score. A guy who's a fighter. Those guys are important to have on a tea,.

 

[flaccopoe]

To address this now.

 

I've told you this, but I am making this clear for everyone.

 

I believe that every solid team has at least one guy who plays good defense, and will fight for his team to win (The Heat have Battier, The Thunder have Collison and Perkins, Lakers have Kobe who surprisingly fits that roll, Knicks haveWorld Peace). A player that understands his roll.

I'm not asking for Wallace to be a shooting threat, but to lock down the 3. To fight for his team to get the ball back. To be a gritty BB player. That's what I mean by "Ron Artest roll".

 

I need him to be a tough as nails defender who can occasionally score. A guy who's a fighter. Those guys are important to have on a tea,.

 

 

They just got Metta.  We have yet to see how he'll impact NYK.

[SecretAgentMan]

Coach: Tom Izzo

 

PG: Mike Conley Jr. (3)

SG: Jared Dudley (6)

SF: Carmelo Anthony (1)

PF: Anthony Davis (2)

C: Tim Duncan (4)

 

Bench:

 

6th man: Ersan Ilyasova, PF/SF (5)

7: Brandon Knight, PG/SG (7)

8: Corey Brewer, SF/SG (8)

9: Kevin Seraphin, C (9)

10: Kentavious Caldwell Pope, SG (10)

11. Mareese Speights, C/PF (11)

12: Eric Maynor, PG (12)

 

Reserves:

 

Dario Saric, SF (13)

Lucas Nogueira, C (14)

Kendall Marshall, PG (15)

 

 

STM85 took on the difficult task of building around Melo.

And he did a pretty good job.

 

To make up for Melo's Defense(or lack of), he surrounded the rest of the starting lineup with quality defenders.

Davis has a really high ceiling and Duncan is still an elite defender

Conley and Dudley look to be solid contributors as well

 

Knight also has a high ceiling and Ersan Ilyasova is a great rebounder.

 

Kevin Seraphin is a player IDK too much about.

 

Brewer is a quality player as well.

 

KCP also has a really high ceiling

 

Lucas Nogueira is a guy I would wait a year or two so he could develop (like I am doing with Adams)

 

Overall, this team has a lot of talent