Ron Jaworski's top 32 QB's 2013

[flynismo]

Yeah and look what that got us. Elvis Grbac.

 

What does that have to do with anything? At the time, it was a big upgrade. Grbac was coming off back to back quality seasons in KC. Little did we know that he was at the end of the road, but thats how the cards fell....but at that time, we would have been idiots not to make that move.

[CARavensFan]

I thought the Dilfer vs Flacco debate was over

Lemme put it this way


We won the SB IN SPITE of Dilfer in 2000

We won the SB BECAUSE of Flacco 2013

 

/thread

[SecretAgentMan]

What does that have to do with anything? At the time, it was a big upgrade. Grbac was coming off back to back quality seasons in KC. Little did we know that he was at the end of the road, but thats how the cards fell....but at that time, we would have been idiots not to make that move.

#Truth!

[5aiah]

I thought the Dilfer vs Flacco debate was over

Lemme put it this way


We won the SB IN SPITE of Dilfer in 2000

We won the SB BECAUSE of Flacco 2013

Who ever said that was the debate. Just trying calm the homers down a bit in regards to Flacco being the best QB in the league. Should probably read my posts, actually said Flacco was much better just that they had things in common. 

[5aiah]

What does that have to do with anything? At the time, it was a big upgrade. Grbac was coming off back to back quality seasons in KC. Little did we know that he was at the end of the road, but thats how the cards fell....but at that time, we would have been idiots not to make that move.

We can agree to disagree then. Grbac was cancer and we widely hated him. He was no true upgrade at all just a farce. We should have seen that coming.

[flynismo]

Who ever said that was the debate. Just trying calm the homers down a bit in regards to Flacco being the best QB in the league. Should probably read my posts, actually said Flacco was much better just that they had things in common. 

 

I dont recall anyone saying Flacco is the #1 QB. I did say that you could make a reasonable argument for him based on his recent history.

 

An easy way to end the debate of who is #1.

 

If you were starting an NFL team, who is your QB you'd want to build your team around?

A-Rod is the only guy in the league I would take over Flacco.

 

So, using that context, Flacco is the #2 QB in the league. I'm okay with that.

[ratedr]

Why?

He has amazing accuracy despite going downfield all the time, and his pocket awareness is highly underrated. I'm not taking Brady or Manning over him at this juncture.

 

And apparently Jaws had Brees at #6. I'm sorry but that's a joke. I can debate Brady/P. Manning, but Flacco and Ryan over Brees? Bye.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Lol.

Fly's top 5 QBs(no bias)

1. Flacco
2. Flacco
3. Flacco
4. Flacco
5. Flacco

 

And that is without Mike Adams blocking for him!

[SecretAgentMan]

And that is without Mike Adams blocking for him!

Lol

[Ravensfan23]

He has amazing accuracy despite going downfield all the time, and his pocket awareness is highly underrated. I'm not taking Brady or Manning over him at this juncture.

 

And apparently Jaws had Brees at #6. I'm sorry but that's a joke. I can debate Brady/P. Manning, but Flacco and Ryan over Brees? Bye.

 

I agree, I think Brees is a lot more accurate at downfield passing then both Brady and Manning. I think he benefits from his system but so does all of those guys. I think Brady and Peyton are the untouchables of the NFL but honestly I think the likes of Arod, Brees, and Flacco has passed both those guys. They are still get at what they do, but they aren't in my top 5 moving forward.

[Gordo52]

Wow. Brees at 6? Behind Ryan?!?!?! Disagree.

[callahan09]

I just tried googling and looking around ESPN for 10 minutes trying to find a place with the entire list compiled officially... does it exist?  For some reason I can't find it.  All I see on ESPN are individual Blog posts from the various division bloggers, one for each new announced QB in the ranking... There must be a better way to follow this list, right?

[Gordo52]

I just tried googling and looking around ESPN for 10 minutes trying to find a place with the entire list compiled officially... does it exist? For some reason I can't find it. All I see on ESPN are individual Blog posts from the various division bloggers, one for each new announced QB in the ranking... There must be a better way to follow this list, right?

I tried as well. Couldn't find anything.

[GTRavens]

I am talking about his one season with Baltimore as a strong arm game manager who fed off the run game and attention being paid to his talented HB  and launched it down field yet limited turnovers enough to win games. You gonna bash people for using stats against flacco and say hes a winner but then overlook the fact that Dilfer took over a 5-3 team that had not scored a TD in 4 games and went 7-1, then went to playoffs and went 3-0 and won a ring.

Want to know how good Dilfer was at limiting turnovers?

 

From the time he entered the lineup to the end of the season, Dilfer led the entire NFL in turnovers.

 

Some game manager.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

If you place Flacco number 1 solely b/c of his post season run then you're pretty much saying that whatever team wins the SB after a given season then that team has the NFL's best QB.
Come on, you have to look at it through a non-bias lense. Maybe after next season Flacco will be #one, but after this past season you can't make that a reasonable claim. He played poorly against Denver, Houston, KC, and Pitt and sub par against SanDiego, not just one or two games.. that's more than a fourth of the reg season. He hasn't thrown for more than 3800 yards in a season nor tossed 30+ td's. I'm not bashing him at all, just pointing out that Flacco is the ultimate system QB. We've built our offense around his strengths to the point where he has no choice but to succeed.
Big Ben doesn't play w/ an all-pro running back and doesn't even play w/ an O-line. The Saints don't have a legit starting RB so Brees has to throw 35+ a game for them to win, what's crazy about that is that he throws more than any other QB and leads the league in Comp. %
W/ all of that being said I am a sole believer that Flacco is a top 10 QB. But to say that he is #1 a bit premature.

He also only played one of those games with Caldwell as his OC, and that 1 was his first.

And it's not that he won the Super Bowl it's that he outplayed everyone you could put higher than him head to head, or played stellar against the defense that made the other QBs look average.

Until you make Rodgers, Peyton, and Brady play in Cameron's system then that playoff run is the only real basis I have to compare. And FYI Bree's is the only other one who did play under Cameron and was nothing more than average before getting away from him. When he got away from Cam he achieved his potential. FACT

[sliceanddic3]

I just tried googling and looking around ESPN for 10 minutes trying to find a place with the entire list compiled officially... does it exist? For some reason I can't find it. All I see on ESPN are individual Blog posts from the various division bloggers, one for each new announced QB in the ranking... There must be a better way to follow this list, right?

ESPN is so bad at putting lists/rankings online. It isn't that hard to do....

[ravensdan]

If Rodgers is better under pressure why hasn't he been better in the playoffs?

Also, during last post season when playing against the same or similar quality defenses Rodgers looked human and couldn't get it done while Flacco became superman and shred EVERY defense he faced.

And oh, btw, Flacco did it with less weapons. I don't think there's a person in the world last year who would say Flacco had better weapons.

So please tell me then, if Rodgers is superior in every aspect, why with better weapons could he not get it done, while Flacco with worse weapons could?

Are you seriously arguing flacco is better than Rodgers? Come on man. You talk about flacco running through the playoffs here but Rodgers has one Super Bowl as well. No one has won back to back titles in a very long time so to think Rodgers or flacco or any other qb is going to run through the playoffs every year is outlandish. You can say flacco is a top 5 qb but to say he is better than Rodgers just makes you look foolish.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Who ever said that was the debate. Just trying calm the homers down a bit in regards to Flacco being the best QB in the league. Should probably read my posts, actually said Flacco was much better just that they had things in common.

My question is when did Brees and Rodgers get notoriety as being top 2-3 QBs?

After going on amazing runs to win the Super Bowl!

So based on trends, precedent, and current form there is just as good an argument for Flacco being #1 as anyone else. Prove otherwise and ill stop but you can't.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Are you seriously arguing flacco is better than Rodgers? Come on man. You talk about flacco running through the playoffs here but Rodgers has one Super Bowl as well. No one has won back to back titles in a very long time so to think Rodgers or flacco or any other qb is going to run through the playoffs every year is outlandish. You can say flacco is a top 5 qb but to say he is better than Rodgers just makes you look foolish.

Why?

Give me the definitive argument as to why, right now, Rodgers is without a doubt the better QB.

[ravensdan]

Yeah and look what that got us. Elvis Grbac.

The front office knew we had to get better at qb to compete for another title, they just picked the wrong guy. They wouldn't have repeated with dilfer. That notion is laughable. I would compare dilfer to Carson Palmer. He challenged defenses deep yes and could make some good plays. But he could easily kill the team with costly mistakes as well. Another point was you are talking about the most dominant defense of all time. Certainly only in comparison with a couple others in the history of the sport. If you didn't see that season first hand I don't think you really realize that defense completely carried that team unlike any other I have ever seen. Certainly since. Last years defense was actually poor for most of the year and some stretches of the playoffs. There is zero comparison to be made there.

[ravensdan]

Why?

Give me the definitive argument as to why, right now, Rodgers is without a doubt the better QB.

Watch the game. I'm not going to quote a bunch of numbers as I agree they are not everything. Why can't you just be satisfied he is a top 5 passer? You certainly don't have any reasonable argument he is superior to Rodgers. Personally I would go third behind Brees as well. I don't think that's really an argument either. Now Brady and manning are the old generation going out. Historically yes better than these three. Currently no.

[GrimCoconut]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Joe Flacco
6. Big Ben
7. Eli Manning
8. Matt Ryan

My top 8. I'll explain if anyone cares

That's my top 8

[Ravensfan23]

ESPN is so bad at putting lists/rankings online. It isn't that hard to do....

 

I think the idea is to get you to tune into the various ESPN programs each day to see who Jaws will rank next. Posting the entire list online and having guys talking about it for weeks before the actually ranking it placed on someone kind of defeats the purpose.

 

Case and point, many people probably would have ranked Brees ahead of Flacco and Ryan. But now that he's ranked at 6, there is intrigue for Jaws' top 5. We know who they are, but where will they rank.

[gabefergy]

Why?

Give me the definitive argument as to why, right now, Rodgers is without a doubt the better QB.

Rodgers is far more accurate, he has better pocket awareness, and has the ability to scramble and make plays that Flacco probably couldnt do.

 

He is honestly the only QB I would take over Flacco in a vacuum. I think Flacco has a better arm and can make some throws that Rodgers can't, but overall Rodgers is the better talent IMO.

[sliceanddic3]

I think the idea is to get you to tune into the various ESPN programs each day to see who Jaws will rank next. Posting the entire list online and having guys talking about it for weeks before the actually ranking it placed on someone kind of defeats the purpose.

Case and point, many people probably would have ranked Brees ahead of Flacco and Ryan. But now that he's ranked at 6, there is intrigue for Jaws' top 5. We know who they are, but where will they rank.

Well, not the entire list. Just an updated list after its aired is what I was saying, but I still see you're point.

[easternshore97]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Joe Flacco
6. Big Ben
7. Eli Manning
8. Matt Ryan

My top 8. I'll explain if anyone cares

That's my top 8

Just to spark some controversy - like Prince, the guys ranked 3 and 4 haven't won any Super Bowls since the 2006 season. The guy ranked 8 is probably not ever going to win one

 

:th_sneak-1:

[GrimCoconut]

Just to spark some controversy - like Prince, the guys ranked 3 and 4 haven't won any Super Bowls since the 2006 season

:th_sneak-1:

Yeah. I wanted to put Flacco above them. The problem I had there was that those QB have proven to make WR m Joe hasn't proven to do that yet. He will this year but right now I can't crown him above those guys even if he did outplay them.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Rodgers is far more accurate, he has better pocket awareness, and has the ability to scramble and make plays that Flacco probably couldnt do.
 
He is honestly the only QB I would take over Flacco in a vacuum. I think Flacco has a better arm and can make some throws that Rodgers can't, but overall Rodgers is the better talent IMO.

Ok and the point is you can make an argument. Flacco better arm talent, better win %, more playoff wins and more recently, consistently steps up in big games, ect.

I would argue Flacco is definitively #1.

My point is there are a good 4-6 guys right at the too and I don't think any one of them does enough to clearly separate himself as the top guy. Therefore an argument could be made for any of them, as well as an argument against any of them.

[easternshore97]

Yeah. I wanted to put Flacco above them. The problem I had there was that those QB have proven to make WR m Joe hasn't proven to do that yet. He will this year but right now I can't crown him above those guys even if he did outplay them.

WOW! That's probably the smartest argument.

 

Well, not to take credit away, but I suppose I've heard the same said of Brees and Rogers. At the same time both + Brady have always been part of a pass heavy offense if that lends to the case...

[ravensdan]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Joe Flacco
6. Big Ben
7. Eli Manning
8. Matt Ryan

My top 8. I'll explain if anyone cares

That's my top 8

This ranking is 100% correct.