Ron Jaworski's top 32 QB's 2013

[PolishRifle]

those QB's that chase those numbers don't win superbowls.......Brees has one.....Rodgers one....Manning one.......Stafford not even close.......Ryan one playoff win...........Brady has three all won when he didn't put up those big stat years

 

their ranking system needs work lol....success is what counts

The biggest problem of these QBs is, that many of them play in systems made to produce huge QB stats rather than victories. Whenever Aikman had to, he was always able to rip defenses apart by passing the ball with his great precision, but the Cowboys of the 90s prefered to control the game through the run instead of entering shoot outs.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I've got a question to ponder:

 

What if Joe puts up monster stats this year, but we were to miss the playoffs?

 

What then would the perception of Joe Flacco be?

[hawkprey]

I've got a question to ponder:

 

What if Joe puts up monster stats this year, but we were to miss the playoffs?

 

What then would the perception of Joe Flacco be?

I'm guessing a combination of He only had one good year and He cost his team with that contract, whereas for QB's like Stafford, Brees, and Romo, it's He's great, just look at his numbers and He wins despite a bad defense/run game. This is of course assuming people are still trying to put a negative spin on everything he does.

[berad]

from the 2012 list:

 

No. 15 Cam Newton Carolina Panthers

No. 14 Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions

No. 13 Matt Schaub Houston Texans

No. 12 Michael Vick Philadelphia Eagles

No. 11 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons

No. 10 Tony Romo Dallas Cowboys

No. 9 Joe Flacco Baltimore Ravens

No. 8 Jay Cutler Chicago Bears

No. 7 Philip Rivers San Diego Chargers

No. 6 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers

No. 5 Eli Manning New York Giants

No. 4 Peyton Manning Denver Broncos

No. 3 Tom Brady New England Patriots

No. 2 Drew Brees New Orleans Saints

Rodgers was #1

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/43623/jaws-qb-countdown-aaron-rodgers-no-1

 

Remember how bad people cried about Flacco being above guys like Stafford, Newton, and Romo...

[CARavensFan]

Remember how bad people cried about Flacco being above guys like Stafford, Newton, and Romo...

 

Personally I would have screamed about RIvers being so high lol

[beasy2487]

speaking from an outside perspective,

 

when you read an article that your convinced is dripping with bias towards another team you discredit the analysis as false or close to it. now if I said that about this article would you defend its factual basis even though if you were me youd think the same thing....or do you discredit the factual analysis of pro-ravens articles as well

 

I take it with a grain of salt but enjoy it nonetheless. For example, Birk's analysis of Top O-lines. Do I think the Ravens have the #2 O-line in the NFL? God no. But I love Birk for getting up there and showing my boys love. What it tells me is that our guys have confidence and we'll be pretty good, but #2 is ludicrous given some of the other lines in this league. See: Denver, Houston, KC, etc.

[SteelersProphet]

I take it with a grain of salt but enjoy it nonetheless. For example, Birk's analysis of Top O-lines. Do I think the Ravens have the #2 O-line in the NFL? God no. But I love Birk for getting up there and showing my boys love. What it tells me is that our guys have confidence and we'll be pretty good, but #2 is ludicrous given some of the other lines in this league. See: Denver, Houston, KC, etc.

 

that's fair I do the same thing

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Personally I would have screamed about RIvers being so high lol

I'd do that for Vick...

[Ravensfan23]

those QB's that chase those numbers don't win superbowls.......Brees has one.....Rodgers one....Manning one.......Stafford not even close.......Ryan one playoff win...........Brady has three all won when he didn't put up those big stat years

 

their ranking system needs work lol....success is what counts

 

Oh I don't disagree, I'm just speaking to the perception. I personally think it's criminal whenever someone say how much Brady does with less. That's not the case at all. His Super Bowl success came as a result of having a strong team around him, with him doing just enough to win. No different then Ben imo.

 

However, Brady has went on to break passing records, win league MVPs, among others things and it's easy for people to recognize his success. Guys like Ben not so much. Because again the media doesn't celebrate him as much, so your casual fan doesn't really know what makes Ben good.

[izvoodoo]

matt ryan ahead of ben?......I hope jaws doesn't make that mistake

 

edit. also for all you people who think ben is injury prone and past his prime......jaws doesn't thinks so

 

im guessing as soon as joe is revealed a lot of praise is going to be heaped on jaws in this thread.....so you cant say he is a hack

I think Ben is better as well.

[Moderator 3]

Ben was just announced as #7.

[ellicottraven]

This is the way the rest of the board stacks up in my view or at least the way Ron Jaworski should see his list unfold:

8. Eli Manning
7. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Matt Ryan
5. Drew Brees
4. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
2. Joe Flacco
1. Aaron Rodgers

[5aiah]

This is the way the rest of the board stacks up in my view or at least the way Ron Jaworski should see his list unfold:

8. Eli Manning
7. Matt Ryan
6. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
2. Joe Flacco
1. Aaron Rodgers

Brees #6? I dunno man. Also switch Brady and Manning. Playoff choker supreme doesn't hold a candle to the 3 time champ.

[5aiah]

8. Eli Manning
7. Matt Ryan
6. Ben Roethlisberger

5. Peyton Manning

4. Joe Flacco
3. Drew Brees
2. Tom Brady
1. Aaron Rodgers

[ellicottraven]

Brees #6? I dunno man. Also switch Brady and Manning. Playoff choker supreme doesn't hold a candle to the 3 time champ.

Well, I cannot disagree with you entirely, but the fact remains that Manning was in the running with Peterson for league MVP and also won the comeback player of the year. So, it seems to me like he will win it over Brady this time around. But, I honestly believe that Flacco is the 2nd best in the league right now. I wouldn't be surprised that the same time next year he may very well be anointed the best QB in the league.

[ratedr]

Brees is the best QB in the league not named Rodgers.

[T3hRaven]

While I'm not really worried about how other teams view Joe anymore, he has to be top 5 on Jaws' list.  There's no way he puts the Super Bowl MVP below Matt Ryan.

[Ravensfan23]

This is the way the rest of the board stacks up in my view or at least the way Ron Jaworski should see his list unfold:

8. Eli Manning
7. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Matt Ryan
5. Drew Brees
4. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
2. Joe Flacco
1. Aaron Rodgers

 

I agree with this list and I think a lot of others will around February of 2014

 

 

Brees is the best QB in the league not named Rodgers.

 

Why?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8. Matt Ryan (I can't put him ahead of anyone else on this list until he wins a SB)

7. Eli Manning

6. Peyton Manning

5. Drew Brees

4. Big Ben

3. Aaron Rodgers

2. Tom Brady

1. Joe Flacco

 

That's my personal take on the situation. However, I think Jaws will have Roethlisberger, Eli, Ryan, Flacco, Brees, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers.

 

I give bonus points to guys who play big in big games, and drop guys who cant get in done in the playoffs. I think Rodgers has hit his ceiling and will start to fall off. (Keep in mind my list is a projection for next year). Brees puts up numbers but also throws it more than anyone. Only won the super bowl the year his defense was a turnover machine and gave him extra chances when he turned it over. Brady is a gamer, as much as I hate him I respect him. Big Ben, same thing.

 

Flacco at #1 might be called homerism by some, but he beat Brady and Peyton. Brees and Eli didn't make the play offs. And he shredded the defense that Rodgers and Ryan looked human against. Until proven otherwise, Flacco is the top dog right now.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

8. Matt Ryan (I can't put him ahead of anyone else on this list until he wins a SB)
7. Eli Manning
6. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Drew Brees
4. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
2. Joe Flacco
1. Aaron Rodgers

That's my personal take on the situation. However, I think Jaws will have Flacco at 5 with the other guys all jumping up 1 spot.

I agree with that.

[TonyTone1192]

Brees tanked this past year so he might have a chance to be #4....slim chance but maybe he makes 4

 

Brees' team tanked this past year, not him.

[TonyTone1192]

This is the way the rest of the board stacks up in my view or at least the way Ron Jaworski should see his list unfold:

8. Eli Manning
7. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Matt Ryan
5. Drew Brees
4. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
2. Joe Flacco
1. Aaron Rodgers

 

As much as I would LOVE to see Flacco #2 we have to be realistic my dude. He did outplay Manning and Brady in both post-season games but you still have to account for the regular season not only the post-season. Yes, he plays well when it matters most, but he is still highly inconsistent during the regular season

6. Matty Ice

5. Flacco

4. Manning

3. Brady

2. Brees

1. Rodgers 

[Gordo52]

I think it will go..

6. Ryan
5. Flacco
4. Brady
3. Brees
2. P Manning
1. Rodgers

[beanfigger]

I think it will go..

6. Ryan
5. Flacco
4. Brady
3. Brees
2. P Manning
1. Rodgers

 

If the maker of that website game is accurate (maybe the Jaws website had all the rankings on it by mistake at some point, and he has been correct up through number 7 so far), it will go:

 

6. Flacco

5. Ryan

4. Brees

3. Brady

2. Manning

1. Rodgers

 

I can see Flacco making a huge leap this year and planting himself firmly in everybody's top five, but the fact is he hasn't moved there, yet, in the mind of most analysts.  Personally, I'm just glad he's the QB of the Ravens because I think he's the best QB for our team.

[flynismo]

I think its both.....because even though jaws is friends with flacco he also is a recognized expert on QB's

 

now if he just put flacco on top without justification he would start to lose some of that respect as a guy who's opinion is valuable

 

that's more important than his buddy......now he might be looking for any opportunity to rank him high....but he is not going to rank him higher than he thinks he can justify

 

Yep, I think your last sentence there sums it up. These are obviously just opinions, so it's a matter of justifying them. You can easily justify guys like Ben, Joe and Ryan occupying the 5 - 7 slots, in whatever order you see fit. The friendship just makes it very likely that Jaws will argue for Flacco, rather than the other two.

[flynismo]

 

Flacco at #1 might be called homerism by some, but he beat Brady and Peyton. Brees and Eli didn't make the play offs. And he shredded the defense that Rodgers and Ryan looked human against. Until proven otherwise, Flacco is the top dog right now.

 

Some people may call it homerism, but in my post above, I said it's all about justifying your opinion, and when a guy is a Super Bowl MVP with arguably the greatest postseason run in history (maybe not even arguable, come to think of it), and was statistically super-human when we got rid of the biggest obstacle in his way (Cam Cameron), I think ranking Flacco #1 in the here and now is reasonable.

[SecretAgentMan]

Some people may call it homerism, but in my post above, I said it's all about justifying your opinion, and when a guy is a Super Bowl MVP with arguably the greatest postseason run in history (maybe not even arguable, come to think of it), and was statistically super-human when we got rid of the biggest obstacle in his way (Cam Cameron), I think ranking Flacco #1 in the here and now is reasonable.

Lol.

Fly's top 5 QBs(no bias)

1. Flacco
2. Flacco
3. Flacco
4. Flacco
5. Flacco

[5aiah]

8. Matt Ryan (I can't put him ahead of anyone else on this list until he wins a SB)

7. Eli Manning

6. Peyton Manning

5. Drew Brees

4. Big Ben

3. Aaron Rodgers

2. Tom Brady

1. Joe Flacco

 

That's my personal take on the situation. However, I think Jaws will have Roethlisberger, Eli, Ryan, Flacco, Brees, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers.

 

I give bonus points to guys who play big in big games, and drop guys who cant get in done in the playoffs. I think Rodgers has hit his ceiling and will start to fall off. 

Are you serious? What makes Flacco a better fit for Ravens and better than these other guys on the list arguably, is that he owns a cannon. But Arod does too and ios much more accurate,better under pressure, and handles a much bigger workload as a passer. He is also faster and more agile and can read defenses better than Flacco. In my honest opinion Flacco's ceiling is what Arod can do now as a passer, but even then he still won't be as mobile. Arod is the greatest of his generation talent wise, a true all around threat, lets not get carried away here. He is only a year older than Flacco by the way. Only thing going in Flacco favor(in terms of ever being better) is the punishment Arod takes ends his career or prime early, but that will likely be fixed.

[Purple Punishment]

As much as I would LOVE to see Flacco #2 we have to be realistic my dude. He did outplay Manning and Brady in both post-season games but you still have to account for the regular season not only the post-season. Yes, he plays well when it matters most, but he is still highly inconsistent during the regular season

6. Matty Ice

5. Flacco

4. Manning

3. Brady

2. Brees

1. Rodgers 

 

So from your last post, cant we say Flaccos offensive coordinator tanked until the new one was set in place??

[TonyTone1192]

8. Matt Ryan (I can't put him ahead of anyone else on this list until he wins a SB)
7. Eli Manning
6. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
4. Big Ben
3. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
1. Joe Flacco

That's my personal take on the situation. However, I think Jaws will have Roethlisberger, Eli, Ryan, Flacco, Brees, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers.

I give bonus points to guys who play big in big games, and drop guys who cant get in done in the playoffs. I think Rodgers has hit his ceiling and will start to fall off. (Keep in mind my list is a projection for next year). Brees puts up numbers but also throws it more than anyone. Only won the super bowl the year his defense was a turnover machine and gave him extra chances when he turned it over. Brady is a gamer, as much as I hate him I respect him. Big Ben, same thing.

Flacco at #1 might be called homerism by some, but he beat Brady and Peyton. Brees and Eli didn't make the play offs. And he shredded the defense that Rodgers and Ryan looked human against. Until proven otherwise, Flacco is the top dog right now.

If you place Flacco number 1 solely b/c of his post season run then you're pretty much saying that whatever team wins the SB after a given season then that team has the NFL's best QB.
Come on, you have to look at it through a non-bias lense. Maybe after next season Flacco will be #one, but after this past season you can't make that a reasonable claim. He played poorly against Denver, Houston, KC, and Pitt and sub par against SanDiego, not just one or two games.. that's more than a fourth of the reg season. He hasn't thrown for more than 3800 yards in a season nor tossed 30+ td's. I'm not bashing him at all, just pointing out that Flacco is the ultimate system QB. We've built our offense around his strengths to the point where he has no choice but to succeed.
Big Ben doesn't play w/ an all-pro running back and doesn't even play w/ an O-line. The Saints don't have a legit starting RB so Brees has to throw 35+ a game for them to win, what's crazy about that is that he throws more than any other QB and leads the league in Comp. %

W/ all of that being said I am a sole believer that Flacco is a top 10 QB. But to say that he is #1 a bit premature.