Ron Jaworski's top 32 QB's 2013

[CARavensFan]

Flacco vs Ryan, is a lot like Brady vs Manning imo it will last until one of those guys retires. It's foolish to put down one guy to big up the other because both are really good QBs on the verge of being great. Flacco needs consistency and Ryan needs to win in the playoffs. People wet their pants over the QB class last year, but I think Flacco and Ryan will be around much longer then those guys.

 

What separates Flacco from Ryan is that Flacco is more athletic, of course has the better arm talent. He can make throws that Ryan simply can not. But what separates Ryan is that he came into the NFL with the ability to read defenses and the guy is really smart, he also has great anticipation with his WRs. His college coach was Brett Favre's coach, so he was groomed for the NFL while at BC. Flacco has still had to develop different parts of his game, while relying on pure talent at times to get him through. I obviously think both guys are great young QBs and both are steadily taking the steps to be among the best in the NFL going forward.

 

If you really look at both guys career so far. Ryan resembles a young Peyton. He's smart, more technical then raw talent and his organization made sure they surrounded him with the talent he needed to be great. Special regular season QB, but struggles in the playoffs. Flacco resembles Brady. The first 5 years of his career he played with a well established defense and had a good running game. All he had to do was make the key plays when needed. It wasn't about throwing for 4,000yds and 30TDs for him. 3,600yds and 22-25TDs was plenty because his team was built to win Super Bowls. Much like Ryan, Peyton was always considered elite, despite the fact he couldn't win a playoff game the first 6 years. Much like Flacco, Brady was initially considered great because he was a winner, but his numbers weren't great. It wasn't until year 8 that Brady took the next step into putting up MVP type numbers. Both guys are in year 6 and should be taking the next steps in their careers.

 

^This I completely agree, I've made the comparison before and I think its very fitting.

[CARavensFan]

You don't have ESPN 2? That sucks.

 

I on't have cable. Period.

[atljbo]

Agreed. All 3 of those receivers are better than Joes ever had IMO.

 

 

My arguement is 2 points.

 

1. Matt Ryan was producing during his rookie year when he only had Roddy.... So you cant say its the reponds... Thats like Sherman saying Roddy feed off Julio... Roddy produced before Julio.

 

2. Just like when yall told me our GM was morgaging away our future when he did the julio trade (I remember that) .... You cant complain about the way our team is.... You guys was built on the tough D vs the steelers, browns, and Bengals..... We have to face the Saints, Packers, and Giants... We was built to survive in our area... Ther Packers didnt punt the ball once vs us... They ate up other teams with good D's also... So you fight fire with fire.

 

I just feel like the weapons arguement is getting old... Rodgers got more weapons then anyone.... So what... Your weapons was not bad last year... Ryan had the 29th run game... The O was on him... Our team is built that everything runs thru him...

[atljbo]

I just want to say one thing about the Ryan-Flacco thing.  Matt Ryan has skills, obviously, but Joe has won with less talent on offense for years.  Rice is better than turner or steven jackson, but Ryans wr corps is insane.  Roddy white, Julio Jones, and Tony G...I just wonder what flacco could do with a group like that.  just my .02 cents....or in this economy: .0001 cents

 

I understand... I wonder what Ryan could have done with the ravens D in the playoffs

[berad]

Alot of yall was up in arms about Ryan being over Flacco on the top 100......l I dont get how its worse that falcon fans are doing what yall did.... The Same thing.

Obviously.. You can see from my post .. Im the same over there as i am on here... I only go by what i see.... I will not put down Flacco to make Ryan the better QB.... I think he is but this offseason should be made to give Flacco his props... Dude was insane in the playoffs and won the SB.

I want to see with the new OC and coming off the hot offseason.. Can he keep up this pace and put up those stats

Not worse, it's generally the exact same conversation it has been for five years but I always get a kick out of it. Both sides make hyperbolic statements it's just funny all the drama that arises from two competent, good quarterbacks.

The next of these conversations will be when Ryan signs his inevitable huge deal and how it compares to Flaccos

[Gordo52]

I understand... I wonder what Ryan could have done with the ravens D in the playoffs

Probably nothing since he chokes up around January.....

Also, for the post you quoted me on. I've never denied that Ryan has some serious talent. All I'm saying is that if Flacco had some better receivers he would've capitalized better then Ryan has so far, and his stats would look more impressive.

So many drops in the playoffs from 09-11 -- Joe has made the throws, but his receivers would almost always let him down....When you can throw to White,Jones and Gonzalez you're gonna have some pretty looking passing stats which can make someone look better than what they are.... Regular season individual stats are the only real argument anyone can make for Ryan over Flacco, and Ryan's receivers are a huge factor to account for, also Flacco lack there of. And it's still debatable..... I'm hoping to see a more consistent regular season out of Joe this year and see how he can do now that the offense is finally all his.

I never said anything bad about the Jones trade.,....The difference is Flacco has stepped up, and Ryan simply hasn't. 24-2 loss at home? Looks like the D carried them more then the offense did that game.... ;)

I really like Ryan though. I think next year he takes the next step in the playoffs and has a really good year; I love his clutchness. He's still got a lot to prove but he's a promising top 10 QB who I would be excited about.

[Ravensfan23]

^This I completely agree, I've made the comparison before and I think its very fitting.

 

Yea the Brady vs Manning comparison to Flacco vs Ryan is very fitting imo. It just puzzles me why none of the so called experts make the connection. Now obviously they don't fit the comparison to a T, but they are very similar.

 

It's funny because people always marvel at Brady being a winner but when it comes to Flacco he only wins because of the team around him. Imo one of the biggest things that separates Brady and Flacco from Manning and Ryan is just that will to win. Now I know that Manning and Ryan both have a lot of 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives, but it just seem like Brady and Flacco go to another level in the playoffs and big games more then any other QBs.

 

imo guys like Flacco, Rodgers, and Ryan  will be the top 3 QBs going forward. The Brady, Manning and Brees era is all but over. I don't think any of those guys will win another Super Bowl. Ben's injuries scary me and despite the 2 SB MVP Eli is still unstable with the football. He's too much of a secret agent. It's funny to me how many former players quickly brush off Flacco's playoff success, but when they were active players those were the moments they lived for.

[Gordo52]

Yea the Brady vs Manning comparison to Flacco vs Ryan is very fitting imo. It just puzzles me why none of the so called experts make the connection. Now obviously they don't fit the comparison to a T, but they are very similar.

It's funny because people always marvel at Brady being a winner but when it comes to Flacco he only wins because of the team around him. Imo one of the biggest things that separates Brady and Flacco from Manning and Ryan is just that will to win. Now I know that Manning and Ryan both have a lot of 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives, but it just seem like Brady and Flacco go to another level in the playoffs and big games more then any other QBs.

imo guys like Flacco, Rodgers, and Ryan will be the top 3 QBs going forward. The Brady, Manning and Brees era is all but over. I don't think any of those guys will win another Super Bowl. Ben's injuries scary me and despite the 2 SB MVP Eli is still unstable with the football. He's too much of a secret agent. It's funny to me how many former players quickly brush off Flacco's playoff success, but when they were active players those were the moments they lived for.

I don't think the Peyton era is done. I could see Denver winning 1 sometime in the next 2-3 years. (As much as I hate to admit it, they look really good ).

[wayne]

Jaws didn't say a lot on Flacco as he did the other QB's and it sort of makes it look like he is a Flacco homer. He should have said more.

[Ravensfan23]

I don't think the Peyton era is done. I could see Denver winning 1 sometime in the next 2-3 years. (As much as I hate to admit it, they look really good ).

 

Peyton Manning teams always look good and what has that gotten him. Until he plays consistently in the playoffs, I can't see him winning a super bowl.

 

imo with Peyton the window is quickly closing. He's 37 and while the talent is definitely still there, he's not as superior to others as he once was. I don't think teams fear Peyton anymore. I will admit that Peyton still have a 1-2 year window but I don't see him winning a ring at 40.

 

I honestly thing his best and last chance to win one was last year. Teams like the Ravens, Chargers and Steelers had down years.The Ravens were just fortunate enough to get healthy at the time right time. But those 3 teams will be much better imo. The Texans and Bengals have to be accounted for if they can every figure out how to win big games. Of course Brady is always gonna be around because of his weak division. Colts should be better and we'll see what the Dolphins and Chiefs can do. So while the Broncos seemingly have a strong team, it's not gonna be as easy for them as people think.

[beasy2487]

I just want to say one thing about the Ryan-Flacco thing.  Matt Ryan has skills, obviously, but Joe has won with less talent on offense for years.  Rice is better than turner or steven jackson, but Ryans wr corps is insane.  Roddy white, Julio Jones, and Tony G...I just wonder what flacco could do with a group like that.  just my .02 cents....or in this economy: .0001 cents

 

If Joe had Julio Jones we would score 75 points a game. We would just play action touchdown every single drive. Totally indefensible.

[Ravensfan23]

Jaws didn't say a lot on Flacco as he did the other QB's and it sort of makes it look like he is a Flacco homer. He should have said more.

 

he said plenty about Flacco. the audio from the video spoke volumes. What more did you want him to say?

[wayne]

he said plenty about Flacco. the audio from the video spoke volumes. What more did you want him to say?

Did you hear the segment? He just let the film rolled and was quiet for a nice period of a time. He didn't do that on all the other QB's. It's no big deal, just saying.

[Gordo52]

Peyton Manning teams always look good and what has that gotten him. Until he plays consistently in the playoffs, I can't see him winning a super bowl.

imo with Peyton the window is quickly closing. He's 37 and while the talent is definitely still there, he's not as superior to others as he once was. I don't think teams fear Peyton anymore. I will admit that Peyton still have a 1-2 year window but I don't see him winning a ring at 40.

I honestly thing his best and last chance to win one was last year. Teams like the Ravens, Chargers and Steelers had down years.The Ravens were just fortunate enough to get healthy at the time right time. But those 3 teams will be much better imo. The Texans and Bengals have to be accounted for if they can every figure out how to win big games. Of course Brady is always gonna be around because of his weak division. Colts should be better and we'll see what the Dolphins and Chiefs can do. So while the Broncos seemingly have a strong team, it's not gonna be as easy for them as people think.

Peyton should be more comfortable year two in Denver. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win it at 40, he's the greatest ever IMO. Welker is a huge addition and their defense looks legit. I know once playoffs come around PM doesn't do so good, which is true, but if they heat up at the right time I think they'll be a tough team to beat.

[SecretAgentMan]

Are we seriously comparing Flacco to Brady?

First off, I don't want Flacco to he compared to him. I want him to leave his own damn legacy behind

Second off. Flacco is the next Aikman if anything.

Mediocre in the regular season. But he will show up and work his tail off when the big game comes.

Joe Flacco is one of the most clutch QBs in the NFL. There. I said it. Ryan is clutch too.

When the big game comes, he always shows up.

I don't give two craps about "statistics". He ain't starting on my fantasy team.

The only stat that matters is WINS.

I don't want us to think of Flacco as elite, he's not. There are four elite QBs in the NFL
Rodgers
Peyton
Brady
Brees.

I want Joe to be what I call a winner. A guy who, while not having the best statistics ever, will play his heart out and do whatever it takes to win. A guy who doesn't complain and when he gets knocked down, he gets right back up. A guy who's willing to take the risk when the game is on the line.

I don't care about elite anymore. The "press/media" may say Flacco is a bum, or is overrated, but anyone who knows a damn thing about football will tell you this.

"Flacco is a winner. Hell, he's great, all he does his win. The Ravens win a close game and Flacco throws 150 yards and 1 TD, that TD was prob the game winner. He will do what it takes. That, not stats is what makes a great QB"

PS.
Give Flacco one year without Cam before talking about stats.

He's going to be a 4000 yard passer. With or without Rice forcing the balance.

[easternshore97]

Jaws didn't say a lot on Flacco as he did the other QB's and it sort of makes it look like he is a Flacco homer. He should have said more.

He made his case for him last year. They (whoever) said Flacco needed to take the next step.

 

Which he did

 

What else needed to be said.

 

Jaws need not be apologetic. He's been on Flacco's wagon since day one. I guess he got tired of repeating what he's said in the past this one time

[5aiah]

Are we seriously comparing Flacco to Brady?

First off, I don't want Flacco to he compared to him. I want him to leave his own damn legacy behind

Second off. Flacco is the next Aikman if anything.

Mediocre in the regular season. But he will show up and work his tail off when the big game comes.

Joe Flacco is one of the most clutch QBs in the NFL. There. I said it. Ryan is clutch too.

When the big game comes, he always shows up.

I don't give two craps about "statistics". He ain't starting on my fantasy team.

The only stat that matters is WINS.

I don't want us to think of Flacco as elite, he's not. There are four elite QBs in the NFL
Rodgers
Peyton
Brady
Brees.

I want Joe to be what I call a winner. A guy who, while not having the best statistics ever, will play his heart out and do whatever it takes to win. A guy who doesn't complain and when he gets knocked down, he gets right back up. A guy who's willing to take the risk when the game is on the line.

I don't care about elite anymore. The "press/media" may say Flacco is a bum, or is overrated, but anyone who knows a damn thing about football will tell you this.

"Flacco is a winner. Hell, he's great, all he does his win. The Ravens win a close game and Flacco throws 150 yards and 1 TD, that TD was prob the game winner. He will do what it takes. That, not stats is what makes a great QB"

PS.
Give Flacco one year without Cam before talking about stats.

He's going to be a 4000 yard passer. With or without Rice forcing the balance.

Couldn't of said it better myself. It's all about winning with the team and him stepping up when we need him to, not leading the league in passing.

[beasy2487]

Man...Flacco is rated #4 and we're still complaining. I love this team but we've got a whiny fan base.

[baltravens]

Man...Flacco is rated #4 and we're still complaining. I love this team but we've got a whiny fan base.

No, most of us here participate in analysis, we don't whine.

[Purple Punishment]

Flacco's postseason indicates he has the potential to play better than Brees (No turnovers.) and as good as Brady or Peyton, but the question for me is can he do it in the regular season week in and week out? His regular season stats have been, for the last four years, very good and respectable, but not elite.

And we've gone to the playoffs with very good and respectable. This proves that he does not necessarily need to be elite for us to win games.

 

I don't think 43 TDs means he tanked.

And their record was?

[Gordo52]

Man...Flacco is rated #4 and we're still complaining. I love this team but we've got a whiny fan base.

Sadly one of the worse, but also one of the best. It's weird lol

[Ravensfan23]

Did you hear the segment? He just let the film rolled and was quiet for a nice period of a time. He didn't do that on all the other QB's. It's no big deal, just saying.

 

He didn't do that with the lesser QBs because more needed to be explained of what made them good and what they needed to do to either take the next step or why they fell. There wasn't much that needed to be said about Ben, it's his espacability, there wasn't much to saw about Eli, it's his clutchness, he only really talked about Brees' great footwook. He said some other things about those guys, but not much.

 

Imo the same amount was said about Joe. The reason he was quiet for a nice period of time was because the video was basically making his point of why Flacco is so good. I'm not saying this is the reason he did it, but it's hard for people to accuse Jaws of playing favorites to his friend Flacco, when you have audio of others guys talking about Flacco being a Stud, or Flacco being elite, or another player saying how people need to give Flacco his props as a Elite guy. Jaws didn't need to speak imo. As a former QB he gave you just enough about one of the areas that make Joe Elite. That's when he spoke about how Flacco has really great mobility for his size. I understand where you are coming from though, as a fan i would have loved for him to touch on more areas of what makes Joe great and kind of quiet the masses, but I don't think the quality of his breakdown of Joe was any less then the other guys. I just thought he didn't need to speak because the video spoke so well.

[Ravensfan23]

Peyton should be more comfortable year two in Denver. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win it at 40, he's the greatest ever IMO. Welker is a huge addition and their defense looks legit. I know once playoffs come around PM doesn't do so good, which is true, but if they heat up at the right time I think they'll be a tough team to beat.

 

That could be said for any top team and Denver is definitely a top team. But that doesn't mean his window isn't closing. Again, I thought his "best" chance to win it was last year because so many team were down. But that doesn't mean he couldn't possibility win it this year because he could.

[flynismo]

I understand... I wonder what Ryan could have done with the ravens D in the playoffs

 

Do you mean this past season, or for the past five years?

 

Which leads me to another question...

Would you rather have our defense (when it was good, not last year's mediocre D) and our WR, or keep what you have now?

 

No right or wrong answer; just curious

[CARavensFan]

Man...Flacco is rated #4 and we're still complaining. I love this team but we've got a whiny fan base.

It's because we care…perhaps too much lol

[ravensdan]

Bank on it! Unless he gets hurt...

Not likely. He doesn't have what it takes above the shoulders. Doing his super man bit for a garbage td while getting blown out tells you everything you need to know about this guy. That's fine for a wr or db to showboat and act immature, but not your qb. He will never make it into the top 10 IMHO.

[BirdWatcher]

Do you mean this past season, or for the past five years?
 
Which leads me to another question...
Would you rather have our defense (when it was good, not last year's mediocre D) and our WR, or keep what you have now?
 
No right or wrong answer; just curious

Rather than hijack this thread, why not start a new one?

[TonyTone1192]

I don't think the Peyton era is done. I could see Denver winning 1 sometime in the next 2-3 years. (As much as I hate to admit it, they look really good ).

Not a Broncos or a Peyton fan by any stretch of the imagination but it's nice to see someone be realistic for once. Most of our fan base will argue til their face turns blue why we will win the next 7 superbowls. Which would be lovely, but is near impossible

[TonyTone1192]

Did you hear the segment? He just let the film rolled and was quiet for a nice period of a time. He didn't do that on all the other QB's. It's no big deal, just saying.

Actions speak louder than words homie. He'd rather let Joe's game show you why he's the 4th best in the league especially since he's probably the most scrutinized QB in the league now.

[Gordo52]

Not a Broncos or a Peyton fan by any stretch of the imagination but it's nice to see someone be realistic for once. Most of our fan base will argue til their face turns blue why we will win the next 7 superbowls. Which would be lovely, but is near impossible

Exactly. I'm rooting for us to do so but it's just not realistic. I'm expecting us to win another sometime soon but history shows its hard to do so. We got a 1/32 chance (a really solid 1) but anything could happen. At least 1 franchise won't win a Superbowl in the next 31 years. It's crazy to think of.