CB Jimmy Smith

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

Pretty sure Bullrush was the one calling everyone out for being able to identify the obvious...

I agree with Bullrush about the coverage. However, what I'm saying is that Bullrush never said we don't know what the coverage was. You, on the other hand, said we don't know what the play call or assignments were, but then proceed to say you're 100% certain that Huff was assigned to cover the tight end. Just letting you know the irony.

[flynismo]

I agree with Bullrush about the coverage. However, what I'm saying is that Bullrush never said we don't know what the coverage was. You, on the other hand, said we don't know what the play call or assignments were, but then proceed to say you're 100% certain that Huff was assigned to cover the tight end. Just letting you know the irony.

Think you're quoting the wrong person. I never said any of those things...in fact I just said the exact opposite in several posts above.

 

And yes, Bullrush did say that we dont know what the coverage was. See the first post on top of page 11

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

 

Right. Huff played his assignment, he was supposed to cover the TE or whatever that was and he stuck with his man. Elam was supposed to either roam in the middle and play zone inside since the corners had the outside coverage, or he just totally messed up and got confused and forgot to cover his man (Jones) which I doubt. I'm just guessing he was a little lost there in zone coverage, typical for young safeties, they don't have the instincts to react that fast and cover that much ground. Plus Ryan had all day in the pocket. But my point is just that the bashing of Jimmy isn't fair. Neither is bashing Elam, he's a rookie, these things happen. Basically what I said about Jimmy, the young DB's will make mistakes here and there, but that's how they learn. They can make mistakes now, it doesn't cost us anything in the preseason. :)

Right there you are totally assuming you know what's going on.

Either way, this is a dumb argument. I'm stirring the pot, I suppose. I just agree with The Raven and the other guy. 

Sorry, didn't mean the Bullrush. That was my bad.

[izvoodoo]

This is really not worth talking about in preseason.

[Tyler]

I never understand all of the hatred towards Jimmy. There's a lot of people who want him cut so Elam can take his number. Give the dude a chance to play a full season. The guy isn't Chris Carr. Webb needed experience before he became a top corner. To call Jimmy a Bum, or say that he isn't talented is just foolish. He's probably the most talented corner on this roster from a pure skill perspective. He just hasn't quite put it all together yet. People make me laugh when they scream for top picks to get cut before rookie deals are even up. You act like he's Vernon Gholston.

[gabefergy]

I've never understood why people hate on Chris Carr. He was pretty good.

[arnie_uk]

That guys having a nightmare on the previous page lol

[ghost1986]

I hope he can put it all together quick.  Seeing him get beat is so painful. I wanna see him get back to his Super Bowl performance. IMO Crabtree is no pushover and I thought he was over the hump, but then I saw him against Vincent Jackson and Julion Jones. Granted, those guys are amazing, but still, I think he could handle them. With that said, Webb can't get back fast enough

[SecretAgentMan]

For most of the game he was covering Julio freaking Jones.
6'3 225 pounds 4.2 40 yard dash. Can jump as high as anyone and is one of the strongest WRs in the NFL.

He's the definition of a freak athlete.

Sure, Jimmy gave up two other completions, but one of them was a perfect fade and the other one idk about.

Besides, he will be covering #2 WRs. He should do fine vs those

[flynismo]

That guys having a nightmare on the previous page lol

 

:D

[arnie_uk]

:D

he was quoting all bullrushes quotes disagreeing with them. Then quotes u and says he agrees with bull haha when he was agreeing with u

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

 

he was quoting all bullrushes quotes disagreeing with them. Then quotes u and says he agrees with bull haha when he was agreeing with u

I got a little mixed up with the names, my bad. He must have been having headaches after that.

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

I hope he can put it all together quick.  Seeing him get beat is so painful. I wanna see him get back to his Super Bowl performance. IMO Crabtree is no pushover and I thought he was over the hump, but then I saw him against Vincent Jackson and Julion Jones. Granted, those guys are amazing, but still, I think he could handle them. With that said, Webb can't get back fast enough

I actually thought he handled Vincent Jackson well. I didn't see anything that made me go, "Are you serious?" The only completion that I saw Jimmy give up was the one on the sideline that was overturned. 

The Julio game wasn't even that bad. I'd credit him with two completions given up, based on scheming.

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

For most of the game he was covering Julio freaking Jones.
6'3 225 pounds 4.2 40 yard dash. Can jump as high as anyone and is one of the strongest WRs in the NFL.

He's the definition of a freak athlete.

Sure, Jimmy gave up two other completions, but one of them was a perfect fade and the other one idk about.

Besides, he will be covering #2 WRs. He should do fine vs those

This is what I saw on the completions

1. It was in zone coverage and Julio found the soft spot

2. Julio just ran a great route and beat Jimmy, although Jimmy was right on his back as the ball got there. Tackled him right away.

3. Michael Huff was supposed to be in a deep zone, but he came up short to double the tight end. Jimmy was expecting bracket coverage, but never got the inside help. He was hopping mad after that.

4. Like you said, perfect throw. Jimmy was right in the hip pocket and had his head around. Not sure how you defend a perfect pass like that. it was almost like that Eli Manning pass to Mario Manningham in the Super Bowl.

5. I'm not sure that was Jimmy's man. It looked like the Ravens were blitzing and conceding the flat to Davis. Jimmy looked like he was playing Douglas, but came up to tackle Davis.

[GrimCoconut]

I hope he can put it all together quick. Seeing him get beat is so painful. I wanna see him get back to his Super Bowl performance. IMO Crabtree is no pushover and I thought he was over the hump, but then I saw him against Vincent Jackson and Julion Jones. Granted, those guys are amazing, but still, I think he could handle them. With that said, Webb can't get back fast enough

He didn't play poorly against Vincent Jackson. How did you reach this conclusion?

[izvoodoo]

This is what I saw on the completions

1. It was in zone coverage and Julio found the soft spot

2. Julio just ran a great route and beat Jimmy, although Jimmy was right on his back as the ball got there. Tackled him right away.

3. Michael Huff was supposed to be in a deep zone, but he came up short to double the tight end. Jimmy was expecting bracket coverage, but never got the inside help. He was hopping mad after that.

4. Like you said, perfect throw. Jimmy was right in the hip pocket and had his head around. Not sure how you defend a perfect pass like that. it was almost like that Eli Manning pass to Mario Manningham in the Super Bowl.

5. I'm not sure that was Jimmy's man. It looked like the Ravens were blitzing and conceding the flat to Davis. Jimmy looked like he was playing Douglas, but came up to tackle Davis.

We're really not going to know until the regular season.

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

 

We're really not going to know until the regular season.

I have zero idea about what you're talking about. I was just saying what I saw in the Falcons game.

[flynismo]

 

 

I got a little mixed up with the names, my bad. He must have been having headaches after that.

 

 

All good, I knew you just quoted the wrong people and what you were saying

[izvoodoo]

 

 

I have zero idea about what you're talking about. I was just saying what I saw in the Falcons game.

 

Well we're not going to know how well the secondary can play until the regular season, because right now the coverage is really hollow and conservative.

[mdbear]

I would hope that Jimmy starts to turn the corner, but right now he is not cutting it as a starting Corner in the NFL, first round pick or not.  

[flynismo]

I would hope that Jimmy starts to turn the corner, but right now he is not cutting it as a starting Corner in the NFL, first round pick or not.  

 

Based on what? Giving up 3 catches to one of the leagues premiere WR? In a preseason game? And one of those catches wasn't even on him?

[GrimCoconut]

Everyone is on Jimmy when he plays bad but outside of two plays he played very well and very aggressive with no penalties. He contributed nicely on ST as well. Even John Harbaugh made it a point to mention this in his presser.

[Tyler]

Everyone is on Jimmy when he plays bad but outside of two plays he played very well and very aggressive with no penalties. He contributed nicely on ST as well. Even John Harbaugh made it a point to mention this in his presser.

Exactly. Jimmy is the scape goat for all of the blame when something goes wrong. People are too blind to see the talent and playmaking ability that he really has. You put ANY corner on Julio Jones without any safety help, and you are going to give up a few receptions. The guy is that good.

[mdbear]

Based on what? Giving up 3 catches to one of the leagues premiere WR? In a preseason game? And one of those catches wasn't even on him?

 

What has he done to earn the position more so than Graham?

 

Sorry but I see the same play from Jimmy as I did last year, a very good tackler, but he has no sense of how to find the ball.

 

Honestly I would say that he would make an outstanding SS.

[Tyler]

What has he done to earn the position more so than Graham?

Sorry but I see the same play from Jimmy as I did last year, a very good tackler, but he has no sense of how to find the ball.

Honestly I would say that he would make an outstanding SS.

Graham has given up his fair share of big plays this preseason. People just don't realize it because his number isn't 22 and the name on the jersey isn't Smith. To be fair to both, it's the PRESEASON. Corners usually don't get help over the top from the safeties, and they are expected to hold their own "island". I just have a big feeling that a lot of people will be eating their words on Smith's development.

[izvoodoo]

What has he done to earn the position more so than Graham?

 

Sorry but I see the same play from Jimmy as I did last year, a very good tackler, but he has no sense of how to find the ball.

 

Honestly I would say that he would make an outstanding SS.

No he wouldn't, he'd be absolutely lost in Zone Coverage.

[flynismo]

What has he done to earn the position more so than Graham?

 

Sorry but I see the same play from Jimmy as I did last year, a very good tackler, but he has no sense of how to find the ball.

 

Honestly I would say that he would make an outstanding SS.

 

I think he and Graham have played equally well. The difference is, Jimmy's plays given up have come against players like Julio Jones. And, as I said, the TD that Jones got on him really wasnt even on Jimmy

 

For the record, I think he'd make a great S, either FS or SS.

 

But that can come later in his career, after he makes a few Pro Bowls as our stud corner.

[ghost1986]

Yeah I watched the Atlanta game last night on my DVR and noticed Jimmy didn't have any help on that TD he gave up. As its been said before, this is pre-season.  The scary thing about that is our D hasn't played its best football yet. It's off-topic, but neither has our offense. I think the biggest question is still going to be WR. We're solid at corner.

[SeaHawk]

I think he and Graham have played equally well. The difference is, Jimmy's plays given up have come against players like Julio Jones. And, as I said, the TD that Jones got on him really wasnt even on Jimmy

 

For the record, I think he'd make a great S, either FS or SS.

 

But that can come later in his career, after he makes a few Pro Bowls as our stud corner.

 

Heck, even Darrelle Revis pre-injury would give up a big play every now and then to a stud receiver. I think it was Randy Moss who owned him a couple of times when they played. I definitely agree here. Smith has a ton of potential, he just needs to become more consistent, and that comes with playing time.

[The Raven]

What has he done to earn the position more so than Graham?

 

Sorry but I see the same play from Jimmy as I did last year, a very good tackler, but he has no sense of how to find the ball.

 

Honestly I would say that he would make an outstanding SS.

 

His (surprisingly) suspect tackling, poor zone coverage ability, and inability to flip his hips and change direction smoothly suggest he'd be a mediocre SS. He may have the size, but he doesn't have the skills.