CB Jimmy Smith

[izvoodoo]

....What? If there was no salary cap the Ravens wouldn't even be in the conversation of winning a Super Bowl ever. The Cowboys, Steelers, 9ers, Pats, Packers, and Giants would win every year. Are you serious? Cary Williams was habitually schooled by Brady in that game. This is total revisionist history based on the fact that he ended the game on a pick...which came from a desperation throw by Brady when the game was already decided. It was clear that we had broken the Pats' will at that point. And quite honestly, yes the move Cary made to read Brady and make the pick was beautiful. However that is a route that Cary has been consistently beat on by the likes of Brady and Manning, so the fact that he learned that he was getting victimized on the exact same route by multiple quarterbacks is not impressive, it's his job.

 

Cary Williams is overrated and that will become abundantly clear when he has to face Dez Bryant x2, Hakeem Nicks x2, Megatron, etc. etc. etc. Williams had the fortune of being a defense that put him in a position to succeed. He performed admirably for a number 2 but he just isn't starter material. So if he's a number 2, and we already have Corey Graham (who in less time with less starting experience proved more effective) at a massive discount. And you've invested a #1 pick a corner with all the tools and have a pro bowl corner coming back, not to mention the exponentially improved Chykie Brown (and in the case of Smith and Brown BOTH made gamechanging plays to get us to the Super Bowl), it's horrible economics to pay a guy like Cary more than he's worth for "insurance". So what, we keep him on a 4 year deal and stifle all the talent below him? Winners take risks, losers play it safe and whine about parity in the league.

 

You're not yet sold on Matt Elam? The same Matt Elam that you've never seen play a down of professional football? Are you joking? I hope so.

Just to make the point...

 

If Seattle didn't have a salar cap... if Paul Allen felt like it he could just buy the best team ever.

[beanfigger]

I have been a big Jimmy Smith supporter the past couple seasons.  I was stoked when we drafted him.  I was happy to write off his struggles in his first two seasons due to injuries.  I love when he steps up in the postseason and makes big plays, and I would think, "This is the real Jimmy."  I wanted him to step up this season and win the starting job in the worst way, so it was very encouraging every time I read how impressive he was in camp.

 

Last night, I was upset at how Julio Jones abused him on their scoring drive, but I thought that is just the type of thing Julio does to everyone.  I didn't think that was a true sign that he can't be relied upon.  However, when he turned right around and gave up a drive-sparking fade to some dude named Kevin Cone on the next drive, that is a problem.  He problem is less physical than it is mental.  He doesn't have the short memory an NFL CB needs, and he seems to tighten up when a QB begins to pick on him.

 

I haven't lost hope completely, but I'm beginning to run out of excuses for this guy.  I really hope he plays big next week.  It's clear to me that a confidence boost is exactly what Jimmy needs the most right now.  I think if he can get hot he can build on it and carry that positive into the season.  Then again, maybe I'm wrong.

[Ravenseconbeast]

One more strike and you are out Jimmy.

[GrimCoconut]

Jimmy played well against Vincent Jackson. I realize he had a pretty bad game but I can't forget the good for the bad. I'm willing to wait it out and see how he does when the regular season is here.

[Clutch Ravens]

I really wanted Wilkerson when we took Jimmy. (That's not me using hindsight either, you can go back and have a gander at the draft threads, if it's still there.)

 

To this point, their respective careers just compound the disappointment.

[beanfigger]

Jimmy played well against Vincent Jackson. I realize he had a pretty bad game but I can't forget the good for the bad. I'm willing to wait it out and see how he does when the regular season is here.

 

That's what I'm saying, though.  I try not to forget the good when the bad comes around, but it looks as though Jimmy has trouble with that himself.  Who cares what I think?  He's the one who needs to have confidence in himself, and so does the coaching staff.

[sliceanddic3]

He isn't living up to the expectation of a Raven 1st round pick right now. Last night was so disappointing for Jimmy.

[izvoodoo]

I really wanted Wilkerson when we took Jimmy. (That's not me using hindsight either, you can go back and have a gander at the draft threads, if it's still there.)

 

To this point, their respective careers just compound the disappointment.

I think all of us here will attest to that fact.

[izvoodoo]

That's what I'm saying, though.  I try not to forget the good when the bad comes around, but it looks as though Jimmy has trouble with that himself.  Who cares what I think?  He's the one who needs to have confidence in himself, and so does the coaching staff.

That really wasn't all his fault.  He was playing outside so huff could cover the middle, and huff just wasn't there.

 

It's like no one really cares when they're out there.

 

But yeah, Jimmy got beat like a drum.

[kennygee90]

He needed safety help and he wasn't getting it...whoever was supposed to cover the middle did a horrible job...there's no cornerback in this league that can cover Jones one on one going in the middle..

[izvoodoo]

He needed safety help and he wasn't getting it...whoever was supposed to cover the middle did a horrible job...there's no cornerback in this league that can cover Jones one on one going in the middle..

Yeah, the thing that really troubled me was the fade route he gave up.

 

It was a pretty throw though.

[PurpleCityLights]

i'm going with Graham, Jimmy just looked soooooo bad out there. Web & Graham should start period.

[beanfigger]

He needed safety help and he wasn't getting it...whoever was supposed to cover the middle did a horrible job...there's no cornerback in this league that can cover Jones one on one going in the middle..

That's not so discouraging for me. I was concerned that it was discouraging for Jimmy. He plays well when things are going right, but when they go bad he gives up a simple fade route completion to Kevin Cone on the next series.

[Kev0825]

For the record Jimmy kinda won us the Superbowl on that last play.

[beanfigger]

For the record Jimmy kinda won us the Superbowl on that last play.

Which is exactly the type of play I'd like to see from him this season. I still hope he does, but it's hard to bet on him right now.

[GrimCoconut]

That's not so discouraging for me. I was concerned that it was discouraging for Jimmy. He plays well when things are going right, but when they go bad he gives up a simple fade route completion to Kevin Cone on the next series.

They clearly got in his head. Jimmy isn't bad though. I find it funny that people are saying that Jackson and Graham or even Brown would be or are better than Jimmy. They're not.

Graham had a solid game but I think he's becoming overrated around here. He had his share of struggles against Atlanta. Brown looked okay but he wasn't fantastic either and played horrible against Tampa. I like how people forget that.

[beanfigger]

They clearly got in his head. Jimmy isn't bad though. I find it funny that people are saying that Jackson and Graham or even Brown would be or are better than Jimmy. They're not.

Graham had a solid game but I think he's becoming overrated around here. He had his share of struggles against Atlanta. Brown looked okay but he wasn't fantastic either and played horrible against Tampa. I like how people forget that.

I haven't forgotten. I didn't mention them, and I agree with you. I think Jimmy is our best chance at having a great, not just good, secondary group, and I'm dying for him to prove me right. I'm just expressing my concern, that is starting to creep in against my will.

[GrimCoconut]

I haven't forgotten. I didn't mention them, and I agree with you. I think Jimmy is our best chance at having a great, not just good, secondary group, and I'm dying for him to prove me right. I'm just expressing my concern, that is starting to creep in against my will.

Oh I'm not talking about you. I'm just making general comments. None of my comments are about anyone in particular.

[Sami84]

lets bring back C-mac

[traumakings]

He needs to play HIS game. It seems like he is being too tentative, no physicality. Still not seeing too much of the press for him, which is disappointing.

[PuRock]

Jimmy played well against Vincent Jackson. I realize he had a pretty bad game but I can't forget the good for the bad. I'm willing to wait it out and see how he does when the regular season is here.

 

Agreed.  Our fans tend to blow with the wind a little too much. He's flashed nicely against some tough competition.  He got abused by Julio yesterday and the pass to Cone was really a nice fade pass, Jimmy had great coverage on it.  

 

Jimmy was bad yesterday.  But I prefer to evaluate our starters after the regular season (or partially into it) not after 2 PS games.  I still think Jimmy will be a solid player for us this year.  

[MrPlankton]

Really off-topic, but is there practice today?

[baltravens]

That is all we need to hear from you'all on the forum that we need to give #22 time to develop. IMO, if he does not play like a first-rounder, this will be his last year. ...He has had ample time to develop.

[GrimCoconut]

While I was listening to Vinny and Rob this morning I heard Rob say that Jimmy told him he dislikes playing press. Apparently Jimmy doesn't want to press guys. I found that surprising. Apparently Jimmy told Rob this during his rookie year.

[arnie_uk]

I wouldnt say he was bad. He had tight coverage just couldnt get a hand on the ball. Id be more concerned if he was nowhere I sight. Seems to be getting better on mental aspect just needs to get the head around quicker. Still think he should be playing press all the time

[ellicottraven]

Jimmy Smith's problem has been confidence. He simply doesn't seem to have it right now. He thinks too much out on the field and gets burned or double moves and even inside slant moves now!

CB is a position that has as much or more to do with confidence than ability... so, Jimmy does have a chance if his confidence improves. However, so far he is a candidate for a bust made of tin foil...

[arnie_uk]

Also on the td pass huff left his inside zone and left jimmy to dry. He got pulled shortly after and we had elam and ihedigbo in at safety for a while. That wasn't promising

[SuggsBarber]

For the record Jimmy kinda won us the Superbowl on that last play.

 

For the record Jimmy kinda won us the Superbowl on that last play.

You oughta check Ellerbee 3 plays before.

[izvoodoo]

Also on the td pass huff left his inside zone and left jimmy to dry. He got pulled shortly after and we had elam and ihedigbo in at safety for a while. That wasn't promising

Yeah, even though it looked like Jimmy's fault huff really had the bad game.  He looked totally lost.  Jimmy played pretty solid, but he's not up to Jones' level

[arnie_uk]

Yeah, even though it looked like Jimmy's fault huff really had the bad game.  He looked totally lost.  Jimmy played pretty solid, but he's not up to Jones' level

not many are, jones has developed very fast. Jimmy has all the measurables to be up to his level tho. He just need to get the mental side down