CB Jimmy Smith

[easternshore97]

I think it depends on who we play. I never bought into the notion of putting guys in a certain spot and keeping them there. There aren't many CB in the NFL who can challenge Megatron, but Webb should be healthy by then since we play them late. Now, I know you don't mean him specifically. Just throwing that out there.

 

I personally wouldn't mind Jimmy getting more reps. I do think he needs to be fine with it and not just lip service. 

 

I think Smith has a huge year in a good way and I mean both--J & T. 

I am probably in the minority, but I didn't like the fact that the big tank Dez Bryant, Terrell Owens 2.0, was being covered by the smaller Webby. Not to take anything away from him, but...you know what I'm saying.

 

I think in the case of Megatron, better to ensure that nobody else can beat us. Make Megatron and Stafford beat us by themselves. At 6'6" he's there's a 50/50 chance he'll have a good game regardless

[Gordo52]

Flexible chaos

:-)

I love it! :D

[PurpleReign92]

Jimmy needs to step it up.. I have seen him with his size and speed get burned.. I think we can mold him into something special but it needs to happen fast the learning curve in the NFL is rookie's have 2 years and then the third should be the probowl game for them...

[qredett]

Webb shouldn't always be in the slot. He can cover all primary receivers except for the tall ones. 

[Poes Crows]

Some of you may agree some may not but here goes a try while we ease Webb back in how about we put Jimmy Outside on the Right Side To Face Receivers like Calvin Johnson and keep Webb in the Slot to hold guys like Wes Welker since Smith is Bigger and More Physical Just a suggestion and if he has an awesome year he might deserve a contract extension 

Jimmy Smith still has a lot to prove. But in my opinion he did play Outstanding on San Fran's last drive.

[izvoodoo]

Jimmy Smith still has a lot to prove. But in my opinion he did play Outstanding on San Fran's last drive.

He actually didn't give up a reception the whole game.  He didn't play a lot, but still, he helped us win a championship.

[SecretAgentMan]

I'm bringing this thread back.

I'm a little concerned about Jimmy at the moment.
I am an optimist an hope for the best.

But to be an optimist you need to see the negatives

1. He's getting beat every day
2. Still struggling with the double move


But the counter is
1. He's playing with guys A LOT faster than he is.
2. Other than the double move he's still a solid cover man.

Anyone else a little concerned?

[5aiah]

I'm bringing this thread back.

I'm a little concerned about Jimmy at the moment.
I am an optimist an hope for the best.

But to be an optimist you need to see the negatives

1. He's getting beat every day
2. Still struggling with the double move


But the counter is
1. He's playing with guys A LOT faster than he is.
2. Other than the double move he's still a solid cover man.

Anyone else a little concerned?

Well yeah, for sure. He needs to prove he can stay healthy and can grow mentally. If not, he will be nothing more than a rotational press CB instead of a great Ravens CB like he was drafted to be. 

[izvoodoo]

I'm bringing this thread back.

I'm a little concerned about Jimmy at the moment.
I am an optimist an hope for the best.

But to be an optimist you need to see the negatives

1. He's getting beat every day
2. Still struggling with the double move


But the counter is
1. He's playing with guys A LOT faster than he is.
2. Other than the double move he's still a solid cover man.

Anyone else a little concerned?

There's no excuse for defenders if other players are faster than him, especially for CBs.  That's not a counter, if that's true we need another corner.

[Purple Punishment]

There's no excuse for defenders if other players are faster than him, especially for CBs.  That's not a counter, if that's true we need another corner.

 

Report from camp is that hes not getting beat by the double move anymore

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'd like to see them let Jimmy play press man, and get his hands on his guy at the line of scrimmage as much as possible. It's his strength, but not a situation we put him in a majority of the time.

[izvoodoo]

Report from camp is that hes not getting beat by the double move anymore

I'm not really talking about Jimmy, and I'm sure I'll have more to say as preseason goes on.

 

But "He's not fast enough" is not an excuse for a DB.  Quite frankly WRs can't be too fast for you.

[ellicottraven]

Chykie Brown seems to have overtaken Jimmy Smith at least in the coaches' eyes. That to me is disappointing and telling as well.

Also, as long as we have great depth at the defensive back positions, I am okay with the best lining up on game day.

[Purple Punishment]

Chykie Brown seems to have overtaken Jimmy Smith at least in the coaches' eyes. That to me is disappointing and telling as well.

Also, as long as we have great depth at the defensive back positions, I am okay with the best lining up on game day.

 

Brown was very talented coming out of Texas. Im glad to see the youngster do something good and move up the depth chart!

[izvoodoo]

Chykie Brown seems to have overtaken Jimmy Smith at least in the coaches' eyes. That to me is disappointing and telling as well.

Also, as long as we have great depth at the defensive back positions, I am okay with the best lining up on game day.

I doubt that, Chykie is still running with the 2s.  But their clearly high on him.

[MTRavensFan]

From what little video I've seen they seem to be running him 1 on 1 with Torrey quite a bit (the same T Smith who made mincemeat of the great Champ Bailey), and he's holding his own pretty well.

 

If he's getting beat occasionally I find that more encouraging for our offense (a much bigger concern) than a knock on Jimmy.

[Poes Crows]

San TattooNudeInsaneCoachBicepsico last possession in the superbowl showcased what jimmy smith is capable of........That said, I would not have allowed Cary Williams a 32 game starter to walk.

[Cville-Raven]

San TattooNudeInsaneCoachBicepsico last possession in the superbowl showcased what jimmy smith is capable of........That said, I would not have allowed Cary Williams a 32 game starter to walk.

Pretty sure almost everyone was ok with Carry walking

[Mick0311]

Pretty sure almost everyone was ok with Carry walking

I would have packed his bag for him, if given the opportunity. ;)

[Poes Crows]

Pretty sure almost everyone was ok with Carry walking

I wasn't.

 

And if the Raven's have a problem in the secondary with Rookies and first time Starters, it will be fun to point out the changes. :football:

[easternshore97]

I would have packed his bag for him, if given the opportunity. ;)

Haaaaaaaaa!

[scrock]

I'd like to see them let Jimmy play press man, and get his hands on his guy at the line of scrimmage as much as possible. It's his strength, but not a situation we put him in a majority of the time.

 

i agree, Jimmy needs to be physical at the line and get his man off his timing...I hate seeing him playing 10 yards off the WR kind of like Cary Williams ALWAYS did....he drove me nuts...all a QB has to do is throw that quick out and its like easy 7,8 yards every time....until the DB gets smart and jumps the route for an INT

[Ravenslifer]

San TattooNudeInsaneCoachBicepsico last possession in the superbowl showcased what jimmy smith is capable of........That said, I would not have allowed Cary Williams a 32 game starter to walk.

 

It wasn't about whether Cary was a good player or not, same with Paul Kruger or Dannell Ellerbe.  The question is are you paying that kind of money to guys who have never started a full year in the league.  Or to put it another way, the Eagles signed Cary to a deal of about 6 million a year.  Webb, who was second-team all pro in 2011, and provided he's healthy is easily a top-3 CB in the AFC, makes about 8.3 a year. To me, they are in different classes altogether - Cary is a solid starting CB, Webb I expect to make several pro-bowls in his career.

[beasy2487]

I wasn't.

 

And if the Raven's have a problem in the secondary with Rookies and first time Starters, it will be fun to point out the changes. :football:

 

Explain to me why this would be fun?

[Poes Crows]

Explain to me why this would be fun?

My friend Ravenslifer pointed out that Cary Williams signed over at Philly for 6 million a year. The Raven's were not prepared to pay that. Raven's offered Williams 5 Million a year ago but he decided to test his Market Value. He won that gamble. Brady schooled him in the Regular Season meeting, but come playoffs Williams was playing on another level. I wish him well. I'm not yet sold on Jimmy Smith or Matt Elam. There's no telling yet, but Cary Williams was a proven if unafforable commodity. Now commodity is the operative word, because that's what these players are to the Front Offices.  It's the players that inspire me. Not the logos. The Salary Cap is the worst thing to happen to the NFL since the Pittsburgh Steelers and if they don't do  something about it teams will have revolving doors. I admire players not emblems and thats why it will be fun if the Raven's secondary isn't quite what it should be.

[K-Dog]

The cap is what keeps the NFL watchable.

[beasy2487]

My friend Ravenslifer pointed out that Cary Williams signed over at Philly for 6 million a year. The Raven's were not prepared to pay that. Raven's offered Williams 5 Million a year ago but he decided to test his Market Value. He won that gamble. Brady schooled him in the Regular Season meeting, but come playoffs Williams was playing on another level. I wish him well. I'm not yet sold on Jimmy Smith or Matt Elam. There's no telling yet, but Cary Williams was a proven if unafforable commodity. Now commodity is the operative word, because that's what these players are to the Front Offices.  It's the players that inspire me. Not the logos. The Salary Cap is the worst thing to happen to the NFL since the Pittsburgh Steelers and if they don't do  something about it teams will have revolving doors. I admire players not emblems and thats why it will be fun if the Raven's secondary isn't quite what it should be.

 

....What? If there was no salary cap the Ravens wouldn't even be in the conversation of winning a Super Bowl ever. The Cowboys, Steelers, 9ers, Pats, Packers, and Giants would win every year. Are you serious? Cary Williams was habitually schooled by Brady in that game. This is total revisionist history based on the fact that he ended the game on a pick...which came from a desperation throw by Brady when the game was already decided. It was clear that we had broken the Pats' will at that point. And quite honestly, yes the move Cary made to read Brady and make the pick was beautiful. However that is a route that Cary has been consistently beat on by the likes of Brady and Manning, so the fact that he learned that he was getting victimized on the exact same route by multiple quarterbacks is not impressive, it's his job.

 

Cary Williams is overrated and that will become abundantly clear when he has to face Dez Bryant x2, Hakeem Nicks x2, Megatron, etc. etc. etc. Williams had the fortune of being a defense that put him in a position to succeed. He performed admirably for a number 2 but he just isn't starter material. So if he's a number 2, and we already have Corey Graham (who in less time with less starting experience proved more effective) at a massive discount. And you've invested a #1 pick a corner with all the tools and have a pro bowl corner coming back, not to mention the exponentially improved Chykie Brown (and in the case of Smith and Brown BOTH made gamechanging plays to get us to the Super Bowl), it's horrible economics to pay a guy like Cary more than he's worth for "insurance". So what, we keep him on a 4 year deal and stifle all the talent below him? Winners take risks, losers play it safe and whine about parity in the league.

 

You're not yet sold on Matt Elam? The same Matt Elam that you've never seen play a down of professional football? Are you joking? I hope so.

[Radinho84]

i agree, Jimmy needs to be physical at the line and get his man off his timing...I hate seeing him playing 10 yards off the WR kind of like Cary Williams ALWAYS did....he drove me nuts...all a QB has to do is throw that quick out and its like easy 7,8 yards every time....until the DB gets smart and jumps the route for an INT

Do you guys really think that you know something that the coaches don´t know?

If Jimmy would be that special playing press coverage, don´t you think they would let him do it?

Maybe it is about the system. Maybe it´s because Jimmy was hyped as the next big thing at corner and was thought to be better than Peterson...

 

I think he has to take advantage of his chances. he just needs to stay healthy and gain more experience...

[Ravenseconbeast]

Jimmy is playing too clean.  He needs to be a little aggressive, harass the WR, and get his hands a little dirty w/ few contacts.   His playing too passive imo.

[Free Agent]

Jimmy is playing too clean.  He needs to be a little aggressive, harass the WR, and get his hands a little dirty w/ few contacts.   His playing too passive imo.

 

Tell that to Jim Harbaugh.