CB Jimmy Smith

[Brandon22]

Some of you may agree some may not but here goes a try while we ease Webb back in how about we put Jimmy Outside on the Right Side To Face Receivers like Calvin Johnson and keep Webb in the Slot to hold guys like Wes Welker since Smith is Bigger and More Physical Just a suggestion and if he has an awesome year he might deserve a contract extension 

[GrimCoconut]

I think it depends on who we play. I never bought into the notion of putting guys in a certain spot and keeping them there. There aren't many CB in the NFL who can challenge Megatron, but Webb should be healthy by then since we play them late. Now, I know you don't mean him specifically. Just throwing that out there.

 

I personally wouldn't mind Jimmy getting more reps. I do think he needs to be fine with it and not just lip service. 

 

I think Smith has a huge year in a good way and I mean both--J & T. 

[Ravensfan23]

Some of you may agree some may not but here goes a try while we ease Webb back in how about we put Jimmy Outside on the Right Side To Face Receivers like Calvin Johnson and keep Webb in the Slot to hold guys like Wes Welker since Smith is Bigger and More Physical Just a suggestion and if he has an awesome year he might deserve a contract extension 

 

I get what you are saying, but there is no such thing as easing a guy back in the slot. That is one of the toughest position for a DB to play. Because of the shiftiness of most Slot WRs, that will put a lot of pressure on Webb's knee. So he's either ready to do or he's not. 

 

As far as the Jimmy thing goes. He'll see a lot of time matched up against top WRs imo. When a offense goes 3 wide Webby moves to the nickle anyway. Plus the Ravens don't shadow WRs so whenever a #1 WR lines up in front of Jimmy he'll have to cover him regardless of which CB position he's playing.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I really hope he can show up this year. We need him to perform..bad

[dhstandard]

Webb should always be on their best receiver for the most part.  Webb is better suited to cover shiftier guys and if Jimmy Smith can hold up then putting him in the slot may not be a bad idea sometimes.  If your playing a team without a standout receiver then just put Jimmy Corey Graham on the outside and have Webb cover the slot.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Jimmy has always been on the outside and Webb has always moved to the slot in 3 CB formations.

[5aiah]

Jimmy will have a shot to defend the bigger guys anyway even with Webby at full health. His size and physicality was the reason he was picked to be our ace against the big monster receivers. With the newest flavor of WR being the smaller slot guys who can kill most cover guys one on one it's good to have Webby on guys like that. I know Jimmy was compared to Revis by a few but he was always more Nnamdi imo. He needs alot more zone awareness or the guys he was brought here to stop(like Megatron) will always have his number unless he stays in press man coverage which is very un-Raven like, as is his lack of playmaking ability.

[Gordo52]

I think he'll will be the most important key to our defense next year. We need him to step up if we're gonna be a successful defense. I really hope this is the year!

[Ravens1991]

I think Graham can go up against Slot WR is need be. Keeping Smith and Webb on the outside

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think Jimmy tried to do too much different his first 2 years instead of just being and play like himself. He bulked up too much and I think losing the weight will allow him to play quicker and react faster. He showed confidence being thrown into the highest possible pressure during that goal line stand and made 2 clutch plays.

 

I really see him taking a big leap to capable starter this year and will continue to develop with more experience and confidence.

[redrum52]

I think Jimmy tried to do too much different his first 2 years instead of just being and play like himself. He bulked up too much and I think losing the weight will allow him to play quicker and react faster. He showed confidence being thrown into the highest possible pressure during that goal line stand and made 2 clutch plays.

I really see him taking a big leap to capable starter this year and will continue to develop with more experience and confidence.

Hate to burst he bubbke but helmet to helmet and holding or pi could easily have been called on those two plays. I think he steps up but he does need to improve. Could also work on how he plays double moves.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Hate to burst he bubbke but helmet to helmet and holding or pi could easily have been called on those two plays. I think he steps up but he does need to improve. Could also work on how he plays double moves.

 

Yea, could have. So could have offensive holding or PI. And that's my point, instead of playing scared he played with instinct and did what was necessary. If he doesn't play physical like that we give them a free reception most likely. He was being held and interfered with so he just did what was necessary to make sure the reception wasn't made.

 

Regardless, even if a flag was thrown id prefer he take a penalty there than an easy TD reception with the game on the line. He did the right thing.

[izvoodoo]

Webb should always be on their best receiver for the most part.  Webb is better suited to cover shiftier guys and if Jimmy Smith can hold up then putting him in the slot may not be a bad idea sometimes.  If your playing a team without a standout receiver then just put Jimmy Corey Graham on the outside and have Webb cover the slot.

If anyone would be in the Slot it would be Graham, Smith should always play outside.

[redrum52]

Yea, could have. So could have offensive holding or PI. And that's my point, instead of playing scared he played with instinct and did what was necessary. If he doesn't play physical like that we give them a free reception most likely. He was being held and interfered with so he just did what was necessary to make sure the reception wasn't made.

Regardless, even if a flag was thrown id prefer he take a penalty there than an easy TD reception with the game on the line. He did the right thing.

True. The thing is I've never felt he played scared, he seemed more aggressive if anything, which is probably why the double moves got him so much. Regardless, I still think he proves his worth this year.

[bMore Heathen]

Confidence... He made 2 HUGE plays on that last drive in the SB, and hopefully that gives him some confidence going forward. He has all the talent in the world, and he seems to be more mature now. So if he can stay healthy, he could be great for us.

[5aiah]

If anyone would be in the Slot it would be Graham, Smith should always play outside.

This. Jimmy doesn't have the zone awareness to play in the slot full time and his aggressiveness would be his undoing there in man coverage. That and his press ability and size best utilized on the outside

[display name]

Webb should always be on their best receiver for the most part.  Webb is better suited to cover shiftier guys and if Jimmy Smith can hold up then putting him in the slot may not be a bad idea sometimes.  If your playing a team without a standout receiver then just put Jimmy Corey Graham on the outside and have Webb cover the slot.

He put Webb in the slot for much of the 2011 season, if I remember correctly. Smith is taller than both Graham and Webb and so he can supposedly hang with the bigger guys like Andre and Calvin Johnson.

[izvoodoo]

He put Webb in the slot for much of the 2011 season, if I remember correctly. Smith is taller than both Graham and Webb and so he can supposedly hang with the bigger guys like Andre and Calvin Johnson.

They're starting to move those guys into the slot, to keep them away from the doubles.

 

But if those guys were put in motion I'd put jimmy on them anyway.

[dhstandard]

He put Webb in the slot for much of the 2011 season, if I remember correctly. Smith is taller than both Graham and Webb and so he can supposedly hang with the bigger guys like Andre and Calvin Johnson.

 

 

If anyone would be in the Slot it would be Graham, Smith should always play outside.

 

 

I was more talking about Webb in this than Jimmy.  100% He should be on the outside at all times.  I was referring to Webb.  He's only 5'10 and his vertical is average.  Corey Graham can play the slot but I think against big receivers or guys like Welker Webb should be in the slot.

[Juviebest]

What might be lost here is Huff's ability to man the slot. Could cause some more Webb blitz calls forcing Jimmy outside still where he should be.

[GrimCoconut]

What might be lost here is Huff's ability to man the slot. Could cause some more Webb blitz calls forcing Jimmy outside still where he should be.

Actually I think one thing missed here is that Elam has played the slot in NCAA. Granted that's college and this is big man league but that's still impressive.

We could go from having two CB and three safeties to 4 CB and 1 safety because of the versatility of Elam and Huff.

[5aiah]

When I think about man coverage maybe Jimmy could move inside vs TEs on occasion. With Elam being alot smaller than pollard we need to take a look at that being a problem and finding a solution.  

[Sami84]

Michael Huff has serious speed. At least the michael huff i remember a few years ago. Havent watched him as much the past 2 seasons. But the guy was so rangy and just flat out fast. I just checked his 40 yard dash and he clocked 4.2 on his proday and 4.3 at the combine.

[Ravensfan23]

Actually I think one thing missed here is that Elam has played the slot in NCAA. Granted that's college and this is big man league but that's still impressive.

We could go from having two CB and three safeties to 4 CB and 1 safety because of the versatility of Elam and Huff.

 

This is one of the biggest reasons why I think even without playing a game together that this secondary is much better then the unit from last season. Pees will have so much flexibility with those guys. With Pollard and Reed you could basically read the defense based off those guys. But with Huff and Elam being interchangeable, you can get really creative.

[5aiah]

This is one of the biggest reasons why I think even without playing a game together that this secondary is much better then the unit from last season. Pees will have so much flexibility with those guys. With Pollard and Reed you could basically read the defense based off those guys. But with Huff and Elam being interchangeable, you can get really creative.

Mhmm the Ravens defense is getting back to versatile football. Has my mouth watering.

[beasy2487]

Ravensfan23, on 13 Jul 2013 - 8:54 PM, said:
This is one of the biggest reasons why I think even without playing a game together that this secondary is much better then the unit from last season. Pees will have so much flexibility with those guys. With Pollard and Reed you could basically read the defense based off those guys. But with Huff and Elam being interchangeable, you can get really creative.

You make a great point. I think our goal is to have this level of flexible at all 3 lvel sof the defense. If you think about it, Webb, Jimmy, Graham, Chykie, Huff, Elam are all guys that are virtually interchangeable based on the package. Same with Brown, McClellan, McClain, and Smith in the LB corps. ALl guys that can play both inside and outside (or have at some point). On the line, you've got Suggs, Jones, Canty, Spears, Ngata, and Upshaw who can all play multiple positions. We could essentially run our own version of the Miami Heat's "0 Position" scheme on defense. I think it could be even more effective than Organized Chaos in '06 because in that scheme you had guys playing out of position to confuse quarterbacks causing a feast or famine defensive scheme. Lesser quarterbacks would cave over the course of a game a succumb to turnovers and botched plays, but great quarterbacks with strong fundamentals would figure us out and go to town. In this defense, guys are interchangeable so while a guy might do something the QB doesn't expect, he is still doing it within his own skill set and thus guys are never out of position. Obviously it's not that black and white, as guys like Upshaw, Suggs and Dumervil probably won't see any looks at ILB and others like Spears and Canty aren't going to be at OLB, but even still our flexibility is going to cause some serious problems for people.

[JoeyFlex5]

You make a great point. I think our goal is to have this level of flexible at all 3 lvel sof the defense. If you think about it, Webb, Jimmy, Graham, Chykie, Huff, Elam are all guys that are virtually interchangeable based on the package. Same with Brown, McClellan, McClain, and Smith in the LB corps. ALl guys that can play both inside and outside (or have at some point). On the line, you've got Suggs, Jones, Canty, Spears, Ngata, and Upshaw who can all play multiple positions. We could essentially run our own version of the Miami Heat's "0 Position" scheme on defense. I think it could be even more effective than Organized Chaos in '06 because in that scheme you had guys playing out of position to confuse quarterbacks causing a feast or famine defensive scheme. Lesser quarterbacks would cave over the course of a game a succumb to turnovers and botched plays, but great quarterbacks with strong fundamentals would figure us out and go to town. In this defense, guys are interchangeable so while a guy might do something the QB doesn't expect, he is still doing it within his own skill set and thus guys are never out of position. Obviously it's not that black and white, as guys like Upshaw, Suggs and Dumervil probably won't see any looks at ILB and others like Spears and Canty aren't going to be at OLB, but even still our flexibility is going to cause some serious problems for people.

canty and spears could totally take snaps at OLB, id love to see canty get about 6 snaps at OLB every game, and on 3 or 4 snaps he rushes, and on 2 or 3 snaps he shows blitz, then drops into the flats real quick, check out the james harrison pick-6 in the super bowl, a 6'7" athletic guy could cause chaos if you give him just a few snaps out of his comfort zone to cause some confusion

[harfordravenfan]

Flexible chaos

:-)

[AsianRice]

I expect big thing from Jimmy; he looked so matured fundamentally gamewise in the super bowl.  The other 31 starting QBs in the league are starting to hate us!....

[jdynamite]

I just hope Jimmy brings it this season, plays more consistent, stop jumping on every double move a WR does against him, most important the thing that will determine how a good J.Smith will have will be his health, if Jimmy can remain relatively healthy and play in all 16 games, I have no doubt he will have productive season for us.....