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Golf man. The only time I've been able to get on much now is a lunch break and when that stupid motorcycle driver wakes me

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its just PFF'S opinion too....there are no quantifiable numbers for a center that aren't highly subjective

 

that's what we are talking here opinions.....and you get yours from a website and I come to mine through WATCHING FOOTBALL

you do realize pff does try to quantify on field play, and does lay out the metrics so technically it tries to be as objective as possible (you can claim bias in the metric itself, but it would be much farther reach than the so called "expert opinions" you cited). In addition, there are some nfl teams that do factor in pff when making decisions (the NYG for example). At least, pff does have a metric. 

 

Whether Maurkice is a top Center or not I couldn't care less. I just think the bolded is incorrect considering the context and counter you proposed. 

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Offense
QB Ben Roethlisberger(wrong side of 30. Injury prone)
RB Frank Gore(over 30)
FB Vonta Leach(Great blocker)
WR Santonio Holmes(Coming off of ACL)
WR Anquan Boldin(Over 30. Has one year left)
WR DeSean Jackson(Headcase, gets injured a lot)
TE Jimmy Graham(Great pick)
LT Jonathan Martin(unproven)
LG Ramon Foster(liability in the run game)
C Alex Mack(Great pick)
RG Tony Bergstrom(unproven)
RT J'Marcus Webb(Decent pick)

Chemistry: Ben and Holmes have Chemistry from the old days as a Steeler and Foster does as well.

Gore and Leach should hit the bat off immediately. IMHO they compliment each other perfectly.

Ben will also hit the bat off with his WR corps. Boldin, Holmes, Jackson, and Graham make a nice corps.
Chemistry on offense as weapons unit will be good.

The Line is another story.

Mack, Foster. Will hit it off well. Foster understands his assignments.

I can't say the rest about the oline. The others are either unproven or bad. Martin is unproven as is the RG. I'm not the biggest fan of Webb.

Rest of offense has decent chemistry and will work well together.

The oline is the weakest part of this team


Defense
RE
NT B.J. Raji(Good pick)
LE Cameron Heyward(Unproven)
ROLB Jarvis Jones(Rookie. TBD)
MLB Lawrence Timmons(Great pick)
MLB Daryl Washington(Headcase)
LOLB
CB Nnamdi Asomugha(Old)
CB
FS Ryan Clark(Old)
SS Troy Polamalu(Old)

Chemistry: The defense has a lot of members who are on the same team. The MLB corps should work very well next to each other. Washington and Timmons will make one hell of a duo.

If you play press with Nnamdi, he will compliment Hairball and person who shares the same Last name as me.


BJ Raji should eat up a lot of blockers.

Chemistry will be good on D. But Defense was addressed a little late IMHO.
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you do realize pff does try to quantify on field play, and does lay out the metrics so technically it tries to be as objective as possible (you can claim bias in the metric itself, but it would be much farther reach than the so called "expert opinions" you cited). In addition, there are some nfl teams that do factor in pff when making decisions (the NYG for example) 

 

ok but its still opinion......its like ESPN's QBR rating.......its a way to look at things...but its not the only way

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ok but its still opinion......its like ESPN's QBR rating.......its a way to look at things...but its not the only way

No its not the only way, but its a much more accurate way of viewing things than expert opinions just like how QBR is generally seen as more accurate than passer rating. Either way tho

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Offense
QB Ben Roethlisberger(wrong side of 30. Injury prone)
RB Frank Gore(over 30)
FB Vonta Leach(Great blocker)
WR Santonio Holmes(Coming off of ACL)
WR Anquan Boldin(Over 30. Has one year left)
WR DeSean Jackson(Headcase, gets injured a lot)
TE Jimmy Graham(Great pick)
LT Jonathan Martin(unproven)
LG Ramon Foster(liability in the run game)
C Alex Mack(Great pick)
RG Tony Bergstrom(unproven)
RT J'Marcus Webb(Decent pick)

Chemistry: Ben and Holmes have Chemistry from the old days as a Steeler and Foster does as well.

Gore and Leach should hit the bat off immediately. IMHO they compliment each other perfectly.

Ben will also hit the bat off with his WR corps. Boldin, Holmes, Jackson, and Graham make a nice corps.
Chemistry on offense as weapons unit will be good.

The Line is another story.

Mack, Foster. Will hit it off well. Foster understands his assignments.

I can't say the rest about the oline. The others are either unproven or bad. Martin is unproven as is the RG. I'm not the biggest fan of Webb.

Rest of offense has decent chemistry and will work well together.

The oline is the weakest part of this team


Defense
RE
NT B.J. Raji(Good pick)
LE Cameron Heyward(Unproven)
ROLB Jarvis Jones(Rookie. TBD)
MLB Lawrence Timmons(Great pick)
MLB Daryl Washington(Headcase)
LOLB
CB Nnamdi Asomugha(Old)
CB
FS Ryan Clark(Old)
SS Troy Polamalu(Old)

Chemistry: The defense has a lot of members who are on the same team. The MLB corps should work very well next to each other. Washington and Timmons will make one hell of a duo.

If you play press with Nnamdi, he will compliment Hairball and person who shares the same Last name as me.


BJ Raji should eat up a lot of blockers.

Chemistry will be good on D. But Defense was addressed a little late IMHO.

im ok with this......I disagree with parts but I feel you were fair

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Strengths: Offensive weapons supplied for QB
Run defense. Coverage provided by MLBs. Run Game.
Weaknesses: Oline. Pass Rush. Lack of complete Dline
Potential room for Improvement: Secondary
Prediction for record: 8-8(lol)
Breakout Player: Cameron Heyward
Best Draft Pick: Jimmy Graham
Worst Draft Pick: Jarvis Jones
Most questionable draft pick: Jarvis Jones
Riskiest Draft pick: Jarvis Jones


MY FINAL THOUGHTS.

If you would've addressed the oline and the secondary a little earlier, this team would be top 15 at worst.

The problem is half and half with the oline.

Most teams are not capable of production without a good oline.

Ben gets hurt a lot.

I think that he will be more prone to injuries this way, causing you to lose a few games.

The running attack and the arsenal given to Ben will help him out a lot. And if you know me personally, I think Jimmy is the best TE in the NFL.

I don't like Jarvis that much at all. If he did fall to the ravens, I would've taken him and whipped his ass into shape, but he's lazy, and not the best athlete.

I'd take a veteran pass rushing OLB to help mentor Jarvis.

Granted, I do like Heyward. I don't think he will be a star, but will be a solid player.

I think this team would be better off with a solid oline, but until then (next year you can take Lewnan lol), I wouldn't rank this team very high.
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Strengths: Offensive weapons supplied for QB
Run defense. Coverage provided by MLBs. Run Game.
Weaknesses: Oline. Pass Rush. Lack of complete Dline
Potential room for Improvement: Secondary
Prediction for record: 8-8(lol)
Breakout Player: Cameron Heyward
Best Draft Pick: Jimmy Graham
Worst Draft Pick: Jarvis Jones
Most questionable draft pick: Jarvis Jones
Riskiest Draft pick: Jarvis Jones


MY FINAL THOUGHTS.

If you would've addressed the oline and the secondary a little earlier, this team would be top 15 at worst.

The problem is half and half with the oline.

Most teams are not capable of production without a good oline.

Ben gets hurt a lot.

I think that he will be more prone to injuries this way, causing you to lose a few games.

The running attack and the arsenal given to Ben will help him out a lot. And if you know me personally, I think Jimmy is the best TE in the NFL.

I don't like Jarvis that much at all. If he did fall to the ravens, I would've taken him and whipped his [profanity deleted] into shape, but he's lazy, and not the best athlete.

I'd take a veteran pass rushing OLB to help mentor Jarvis.

Granted, I do like Heyward. I don't think he will be a star, but will be a solid player.

I think this team would be better off with a solid oline, but until then (next year you can take Lewnan lol), I wouldn't rank this team very high.

I disagree its a bad o-line for the type of team I set up.....for ben the most important thing is the interior, he has never played with average or better tackles.......these tackles if they stay healthy are better tackles than he has ever had......the interior is stronger, mack and ramon are fantastic pass protectors and tony is a top guard on the verge of emerging IMO

 

plus if I run a lot inside...with gore and leach it will stop the pass rush to the outside.  allowing ben to use his weapons

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Strengths: Offensive weapons supplied for QB
Run defense. Coverage provided by MLBs. Run Game.
Weaknesses: Oline. Pass Rush. Lack of complete Dline
Potential room for Improvement: Secondary
Prediction for record: 8-8(lol)
Breakout Player: Cameron Heyward
Best Draft Pick: Jimmy Graham
Worst Draft Pick: Jarvis Jones
Most questionable draft pick: Jarvis Jones
Riskiest Draft pick: Jarvis Jones


MY FINAL THOUGHTS.

If you would've addressed the oline and the secondary a little earlier, this team would be top 15 at worst.

The problem is half and half with the oline.

Most teams are not capable of production without a good oline.

Ben gets hurt a lot.

I think that he will be more prone to injuries this way, causing you to lose a few games.

The running attack and the arsenal given to Ben will help him out a lot. And if you know me personally, I think Jimmy is the best TE in the NFL.

I don't like Jarvis that much at all. If he did fall to the ravens, I would've taken him and whipped his [profanity deleted] into shape, but he's lazy, and not the best athlete.

I'd take a veteran pass rushing OLB to help mentor Jarvis.

Granted, I do like Heyward. I don't think he will be a star, but will be a solid player.

I think this team would be better off with a solid oline, but until then (next year you can take Lewnan lol), I wouldn't rank this team very high.


I agree with some of your analysis here. I would say his pass rush would fall under the room for improvement category. Timmons, jones and heyward could provide a nice pass rush, but they have yet to prove it together, also not sure if there are any great 34 linebackers left to rush opposite Jarvis.

Breakout player: I agree on heyward.
Best pick: leach because he is the perfect compliment for gore and outlet for Ben with this less than stellar o line.
Worst pick:Jackson. As overrated and bad a locker room guy as you can get.
Questionable pick: polamalu drafted very early. Missed more time than he's played in recent years.
Riskiest pick: Holmes/boldin. Holmes due to injury and diva attitude. Boldin has underperformed and near retirement.

I think this team should be a power run team with Ben making a few big plays down the field per game. Defense should be tough but vulnerable to the pass most likely. I agree 8-8 ish this year, plus or minus one win.
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I agree with some of your analysis here. I would say his pass rush would fall under the room for improvement category. Timmons, jones and heyward could provide a nice pass rush, but they have yet to prove it together, also not sure if there are any great 34 linebackers left to rush opposite Jarvis.

Breakout player: I agree on heyward.
Best pick: leach because he is the perfect compliment for gore and outlet for Ben with this less than stellar o line.
Worst pick:Jackson. As overrated and bad a locker room guy as you can get.
Questionable pick: polamalu drafted very early. Missed more time than he's played in recent years.
Riskiest pick: Holmes/boldin. Holmes due to injury and diva attitude. Boldin has underperformed and near retirement.

I think this team should be a power run team with Ben making a few big plays down the field per game. Defense should be tough but vulnerable to the pass most likely. I agree 8-8 ish this year, plus or minus one win.

 

im ok with this...I would just say Jackson is not a bad pick.....he is no more a bad influence than Wallace or Brandon marshall, he is a jerk....but he can play

 

I agree with my OLB problem...I had a couple I was going to take with my next pick but they recently got taken....so im bummed there

 

polamalu is going to be back to form this year.....just remember this during the year....if he plays well im going to bring this thread back and tell you all I told you so lol(if he plays bad ill leave it where it is)

 

you forgot Washington when talking about my pass rush....he knows how to sack a QB

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im ok with this...I would just say Jackson is not a bad pick.....he is no more a bad influence than Wallace or Brandon marshall, he is a jerk....but he can play

I agree with my OLB problem...I had a couple I was going to take with my next pick but they recently got taken....so im bummed there

polamalu is going to be back to form this year.....just remember this during the year....if he plays well im going to bring this thread back and tell you all I told you so lol(if he plays bad ill leave it where it is)

you forgot Washington when talking about my pass rush....he knows how to sack a QB



I know you don't like pff but just so you know Washington and Timmons are the top 2 rated inside backers in the pass rush category.
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I know you don't like pff but just so you know Washington and Timmons are the top 2 rated inside backers in the pass rush category.

 

I don't hate PFF I just don't think its undeniable fact.....its one way of looking at things, it shouldn't be used as the whole answer

 

but I like this opinion of theirs lol

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Offense
QB Ben Roethlisberger(wrong side of 30. Injury prone)
RB Frank Gore(over 30)
FB Vonta Leach(Great blocker)
WR Santonio Holmes(Coming off of ACL)
WR Anquan Boldin(Over 30. Has one year left)
WR DeSean Jackson(Headcase, gets injured a lot)
TE Jimmy Graham(Great pick)
LT Jonathan Martin(unproven)
LG Ramon Foster(liability in the run game)
C Alex Mack(Great pick)
RG Tony Bergstrom(unproven)
RT J'Marcus Webb(Decent pick)

Chemistry: Ben and Holmes have Chemistry from the old days as a Steeler and Foster does as well.

Gore and Leach should hit the bat off immediately. IMHO they compliment each other perfectly.

Ben will also hit the bat off with his WR corps. Boldin, Holmes, Jackson, and Graham make a nice corps.
Chemistry on offense as weapons unit will be good.

The Line is another story.

Mack, Foster. Will hit it off well. Foster understands his assignments.

I can't say the rest about the oline. The others are either unproven or bad. Martin is unproven as is the RG. I'm not the biggest fan of Webb.

Rest of offense has decent chemistry and will work well together.

The oline is the weakest part of this team


Defense
RE
NT B.J. Raji(Good pick)
LE Cameron Heyward(Unproven)
ROLB Jarvis Jones(Rookie. TBD)
MLB Lawrence Timmons(Great pick)
MLB Daryl Washington(Headcase)
LOLB
CB Nnamdi Asomugha(Old)
CB
FS Ryan Clark(Old)
SS Troy Polamalu(Old)

Chemistry: The defense has a lot of members who are on the same team. The MLB corps should work very well next to each other. Washington and Timmons will make one hell of a duo.

If you play press with Nnamdi, he will compliment Hairball and person who shares the same Last name as me.


BJ Raji should eat up a lot of blockers.

Chemistry will be good on D. But Defense was addressed a little late IMHO.

I think his defense should be a bit better than that. I like it a lot, actually. Raji & Heyward should really open up things for the ILB Washington & Timmons to do blitzes up the middle of the offense. Raji is a very good NT. He needs another RE & a LOLB, so it's hard to judge ATM. I actually would've liked to see him take James Harrison earlier and leave Clark alone. I like Clark, but I think he's easier to replace than Harrison because of what Harrison can give you. I really don't like the age on his team in the back end, though. That's a big problem for me. 

 

But he has a very good defense. I think it's one of the very few that can shutdown TEs in this game. In fact, his defense will probably shutdown about any 2TE set out there or short-passing WCO. He should get a CB who can blitz. That would be nice. His DC will need to be creative with the schemes. 

 

As for the OL, there's a lot of question marks. Martin didn't play great and Bergstrom is a mystery. It should be said that I'm personally very, very fond of Bergstrom as a guard. I'd probably put Bergstrom at LG with Foster at RG, personally. I like Martin as a LT, even if he looked dirty doing it last year. He has the athleticism for it. I don't like Gore, at least not as early as he took him. I do like Leach blocking for Gore. I also like Graham, Jackson, Holmes & Boldin for Big Ben. That's a great group for Ben to work with there. You have a blend of all the type of receivers Ben likes. 

 

I'm not going to predict any season record. There's way more that goes into a team and a season than simply players. But that's a different discussion.

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I think his defense should be a bit better than that. I like it a lot, actually. Raji & Heyward should really open up things for the ILB Washington & Timmons to do blitzes up the middle of the offense. Raji is a very good NT. He needs another RE & a LOLB, so it's hard to judge ATM. I actually would've liked to see him take James Harrison earlier and leave Clark alone. I like Clark, but I think he's easier to replace than Harrison because of what Harrison can give you. I really don't like the age on his team in the back end, though. That's a big problem for me. 

 

But he has a very good defense. I think it's one of the very few that can shutdown TEs in this game. In fact, his defense will probably shutdown about any 2TE set out there or short-passing WCO. He should get a CB who can blitz. That would be nice. His DC will need to be creative with the schemes. 

 

As for the OL, there's a lot of question marks. Martin didn't play great and Bergstrom is a mystery. It should be said that I'm personally very, very fond of Bergstrom as a guard. I'd probably put Bergstrom at LG with Foster at RG, personally. I like Martin as a LT, even if he looked dirty doing it last year. He has the athleticism for it. I don't like Gore, at least not as early as he took him. I do like Leach blocking for Gore. I also like Graham, Jackson, Holmes & Boldin for Big Ben. That's a great group for Ben to work with there. You have a blend of all the type of receivers Ben likes. 

 

I'm not going to predict any season record. There's way more that goes into a team and a season than simply players. But that's a different discussion.

thank you its refreshing for my team to get a little love lol

 

I agree with getting Harrison earlier......I thought he would go untouched...when berad took him I cursed the heavens

 

I am old in the secondary...but I feel they can still play this year....and I have a few young backups I might grab with the reserve picks

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thank you its refreshing for my team to get a little love lol

I agree with getting Harrison earlier......I thought he would go untouched...when berad took him I cursed the heavens

I am old in the secondary...but I feel they can still play this year....and I have a few young backups I might grab with the reserve picks

You're defense as a whole will be good. I do think the pass rush is a little weak, but everything else is fine

The one thing I hate bout your team is the oline
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B.J. Raji is an interesting figure. I recall him struggling during his last full season at the NT position, that being the 2011 season. Having picked Green Bay in the Mock Draft the season after, I observed them very closely, and I felt that Raji was sub-par in the games that I watched, being constantly pushed around inside. I was baffled by his nomination as a Pro-Bowl reserve, especially since he was seemingly better in 2010 at NT, and I found numerous articles at the time that held the same opinion. That being said, he was moved to DE in 2012 a few games in, with Ryan Pickett manning the NT position, and the move worked out wonderfully for the Packers. I'm curious to know how he'd fare at his old position, but at least he has versatility after having successful showings at more than one spot.

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thank you its refreshing for my team to get a little love lol

I agree with getting Harrison earlier......I thought he would go untouched...when berad took him I cursed the heavens

I am old in the secondary...but I feel they can still play this year....and I have a few young backups I might grab with the reserve picks

I know but with Clark's age combined with his sickle cell and more importantly adding in the age and injuries of Polamalu with the declined play of Nnamdi even if he did play in the wrong scheme is a great concern. I think you would've done better to get some youth in that secondary. That's why I don't like Clark to complement (it's complement, Btw. We're not complimenting people here--sorry but this is a pet peeve of mine and I'm not referring to you prophet) Polamalu at this time.
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I know but with Clark's age combined with his sickle cell and more importantly adding in the age and injuries of Polamalu with the declined play of Nnamdi even if he did play in the wrong scheme is a great concern. I think you would've done better to get some youth in that secondary. That's why I don't like Clark to complement (it's complement, Btw. We're not complimenting people here--sorry but this is a pet peeve of mine and I'm not referring to you prophet) Polamalu at this time.

I respect your opinion Grim its always smart. but I would have to add that last year they were the safety tandem of the number one passing D....they are a good team....and will be this year at least....but I will have to replace clark next year....nnamdi will be fine playing man....he will be my ike taylor....they are very similar IMO

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I respect your opinion Grim its always smart. but I would have to add that last year they were the safety tandem of the number one passing D....they are a good team....and will be this year at least....but I will have to replace clark next year....nnamdi will be fine playing man....he will be my ike taylor....they are very similar IMO

I don't dislike any of those players individually. I just dislike them as a unit. I know Troy and Ryan contributed in some form to their defense especially when Troy was out with injury. I just think you could've gone differently to complement Troy and prepare for the future with a small but expected drop off to have consistent play for a bit longer.
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What has been driving me bonkers about 5superlakbjlabj's team that I adopted is the way he was setting up his defense.  He has it displayed like a 3-4, yet most of the guys he drafted are a better fit in 4-3.  Tulluch is one of the best, experienced 4-3 MLBs.

 

What do you guys think, with the pieces below should I go his original 3-4 or switch things around to a 4-3?  Makes a bit of difference with what I should do at my missing DT/NT/OLB.

 

LOLB-Mario Williams
LDE-Everson Griffen
DT-
RDE-Corey Liuget
ROLB-
MLB-Stephen Tulloch
MLB-Vontaze Burfict

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I respect your opinion Grim its always smart. but I would have to add that last year they were the safety tandem of the number one passing D....they are a good team....and will be this year at least....but I will have to replace clark next year....nnamdi will be fine playing man....he will be my ike taylor....they are very similar IMO


IMO Ike is alot better player and the best player of the steelers secondary currently. I do see some similarity there. Your defense is definitely strongest up the middle which is most important. Also I think this group would work well together which is another important factor.
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What has been driving me bonkers about 5superlakbjlabj's team that I adopted is the way he was setting up his defense. He has it displayed like a 3-4, yet most of the guys he drafted are a better fit in 4-3. Tulluch is one of the best, experienced 4-3 MLBs.

What do you guys think, with the pieces below should I go his original 3-4 or switch things around to a 4-3? Makes a bit of difference with what I should do at my missing DT/NT/OLB.

LOLB-Mario Williams
LDE-Everson Griffen
DT-
RDE-Corey Liuget
ROLB-
MLB-Stephen Tulloch
MLB-Vontaze Burfict

If you're talking on a whole I agree it's probably better for most players in the 4-3.
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I don't dislike any of those players individually. I just dislike them as a unit. I know Troy and Ryan contributed in some form to their defense especially when Troy was out with injury. I just think you could've gone differently to complement Troy and prepare for the future with a small but expected drop off to have consistent play for a bit longer.

I don't disagree that ryan is old......but this statement is puzzling because ryan has been fantastic these past two years that troy has been hobbled.....and I think troy will have a healthy year this year(due to reports of pre season condition)

 

ryan is a big reason for the number one ranking

IMO Ike is alot better player and the best player of the steelers secondary currently. I do see some similarity there. Your defense is definitely strongest up the middle which is most important. Also I think this group would work well together which is another important factor.

I wanted ike but he got picked the same round I got Nnamdi...but I feel Nnamdi will serve the role I was looking for

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I don't disagree that ryan is old......but this statement is puzzling because ryan has been fantastic these past two years that troy has been hobbled.....and I think troy will have a healthy year this year(due to reports of pre season condition)

ryan is a big reason for the number one ranking
I wanted ike but he got picked the same round I got Nnamdi...but I feel Nnamdi will serve the role I was looking for

I'm explain in pm.
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What has been driving me bonkers about 5superlakbjlabj's team that I adopted is the way he was setting up his defense. He has it displayed like a 3-4, yet most of the guys he drafted are a better fit in 4-3. Tulluch is one of the best, experienced 4-3 MLBs.

What do you guys think, with the pieces below should I go his original 3-4 or switch things around to a 4-3? Makes a bit of difference with what I should do at my missing DT/NT/OLB.

LOLB-Mario Williams
LDE-Everson Griffen
DT-
RDE-Corey Liuget
ROLB-
MLB-Stephen Tulloch
MLB-Vontaze Burfict


I think the 43 makes a bit more sense with this personel.
Lde: Mario Williams
Dt: corey liuget
Nt: ?
Rde: everson griffin

Wilb: ?
MLB: Stephen tulloch
Slb: vontaze burfict
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I don't disagree that ryan is old......but this statement is puzzling because ryan has been fantastic these past two years that troy has been hobbled.....and I think troy will have a healthy year this year(due to reports of pre season condition)

 

ryan is a big reason for the number one ranking

I wanted ike but he got picked the same round I got Nnamdi...but I feel Nnamdi will serve the role I was looking for

 

That's great Troy is in great condition.  That never has been the real issue though.  The problem stems from his style of play and at age 32 it doesn't get easier.  

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What has been driving me bonkers about 5superlakbjlabj's team that I adopted is the way he was setting up his defense. He has it displayed like a 3-4, yet most of the guys he drafted are a better fit in 4-3. Tulluch is one of the best, experienced 4-3 MLBs.

What do you guys think, with the pieces below should I go his original 3-4 or switch things around to a 4-3? Makes a bit of difference with what I should do at my missing DT/NT/OLB.

LOLB-Mario Williams
LDE-Everson Griffen
DT-
RDE-Corey Liuget
ROLB-
MLB-Stephen Tulloch
MLB-Vontaze Burfict


Before I had told him that I thought his defense was much better suited for a 4-3, so I would completely agree with you interpretation of your roster. IMHO Mario Williams is miscast as a OLB, his size and ability make him an ideal 4-3 DE.
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