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[SteelersProphet]

ok ok we get it, most controversial pick by Sam: Pouncey

gah..........ravens fans lol

[gabefergy]

you don't know that....that's what PFF says....and you regurgitate it....but how often do you watch the steelers play....im guessing its less than the 16 games a year I watch...more if you count playoffs

Yeah, I watch less than that. I do watch them quite a bit though. Normally they are the first team I am watching if they have a different time slot than the Ravens. I'm not saying he is a bad center, but he is overrated. And I am not just regurgitating PFF. I've seen him get beat quite a bit in pass protection and he doesnt display the ability to finish off blocks at the second level you would like to see from a guy with his athleticism.

 

You are clearly being a homer, and are dismissing the factual evidence put in front of you.

[stm85]

you don't know that....that's what PFF says....and you regurgitate it....but how often do you watch the steelers play....im guessing its less than the 16 games a year I watch...more if you count playoffs

 

Offensive linemen are overrated or underrated often due to where they are drafted. If they are a 1st rounder and play solidly, the are often considered better than they actually are. Pouncey is no different. He is a solid Center but there are much better players. Also, Mike Pouncey is considerably better than Maurkice, yet very few seem to realize it.

[SteelersProphet]

Yeah, I watch less than that. I do watch them quite a bit though. Normally they are the first team I am watching if they have a different time slot than the Ravens. I'm not saying he is a bad center, but he is overrated. And I am not just regurgitating PFF. I've seen him get beat quite a bit in pass protection and he doesnt display the ability to finish off blocks at the second level you would like to see from a guy with his athleticism.

 

You are clearly being a homer, and are dismissing the factual evidence put in front of you.

well I don't know how I could be avoiding the facts when this is the first post of yours or anyone's for that matter that actually stated reasons why he is overrated, but now that you have let me respond

 

he does not get beat fast......everytime he does get beat its because ben is running around back there and its tough to hold professional players back forever....Justin hartwig was our center before Pouncey and he got beat all the time.....its easy to see the difference

 

also he is fine at finishing blocks at the second level but recently he has been weighed down with being the only good pass protector...so he was doing other peoples jobs, and couldn't focus on just his own...hopefully that changes this year

 

Offensive linemen are overrated or underrated often due to where they are drafted. If they are a 1st rounder and play solidly, the are often considered better than they actually are. Pouncey is no different. He is a solid Center but there are much better players. Also, Mike Pouncey is considerably better than Maurkice, yet very few seem to realize it.

 

you think there might be reason for that.....because he isn't...why do you think he waited a year to come out of college.....because he was not as good as his brother and it would have caused him to drop...he had to prove he could do it without his brother....maurkice didn't have that problem

[SecretAgentMan]

Prestige Worldwide

Offense

QB: NEED
RB: Alfred Morris Power back. While very good, you should have a change of pace guy
FB: NEED
WR1: Calvin Johnson. Best WR in the NFL. But you should've taken a QB
WR2: Brandon Marshall Top 5 WR. Makes a deadly duo
WR3: Robert Woods Unproven, but he has a very high ceiling
TE: Brent Celek. Could do better
LT: Joe Staley. All around good. Very good pick
LG: Justin Blalock. Solid guard
C: Will Montgomery. Interesting pick. He could benefit from playing with RG3. This is more of a wildcard
RG: NEED
RT: David Stewart. Good RT

4-3 Base Defense

DE: Adrian Clayborn. Coming off of injury, but he has a nice ceiling
DT: Randy Starks. Overrated, but is a very good pro bowl lineman
DT: Paul Soliai Great NT.
DE: Derrick Morgan. Jack of all trades master of none. He's a very good end

WLB: Jerrell Freeman. Very good LB. could grown into a pro bowler
MLB: Pat Angerer. Good LB. A little overrated in my mind, but in a 4-3 he should excel.
SLB: Dannell Ellerbe. Good pick, but he's not good enough in coverage to be a good 4-3 OLB IMO

CB: Charles Tillman. All pro
CB: NEED
FS: Dashon Goldson Overrated due to good pass rush, but he's good in coverage and a hard hitter
SS: Danieal Manning. Not the best in coverage but he's solid in all of the aspects in his game

Note: BC NFLfan123 used to own this team, and he was second in line, so T3hRavens team goes 2nd

[hawkprey]

I would be more interested if you broke it down by how you think the overall run/pass D and run/pass O would play out. Most of us pretty much know how good the players are individually.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

what happened to first team then?

[SecretAgentMan]

Strengths: WR corps. RB. LB corps. Dline. Secondary
Weaknesses: lack of QB. No CB #2.
Potential room for Improvement: Oline. Not a weakness, but I would've addressed it a lot earlier
Prediction for record. 6-9
Breakout Player: Jerrel Freeman
Best Draft Pick: Brandon Marshall
Worst Draft Pick. Calvin Johnson(will explain later)
Most questionable draft pick:Calvin Johnson
Riskiest Draft pick: Calvin Johnson


MY FINAL THOUGHTS
This team made a vital mistake early on.
As dominant as Calvin is, you don't take a WR at #2 overall. Franchise QBs are what separates great teams from the mediocre teams. Especially since his next pick was 61 picks later.

Now. That WR corps will be dominant even with a rookie QB, but they're not going to be contenders. That team should be a run first team. Morris can do that, but I'm not sure his oline would so a good enough job blocking. Outside of Staley and Stewart, I'm not the biggest fan of his oline.

The defense on the other hand is a really good unit.
Especially if they can get a good CB #2. But Tillman will do a lot of dirty work for that team. Goldson and Manning are a nice saftey duo

But the lack of a good QB will really hurt this team in the long run. But this team is capable of winning games. The defense will keep them in games, but if they're down by 7 with 2:00 left. They're not going to win

[ravensdan]

one green is great, im not saying he isn't....but WR can not change the game as much as the best player at other positions

for example calvin Johnson is the best WR of all time and yet the lions are terrible.....there are tons of great WR's

whats the difference between green and andre Johnson who went much later not enough to justify the waste of a first round pick...that could have been anybody

also pouncey is a top 5 center....hands down....he got him right when he should have gotten him....now maybe he would have dropped on this board because you guys only believe the negative reviews of steelers but don't acknowledge the good ones

I agree green was your worst pick over pouncey. There were any number if game changing players who would have a greater impact than green. Pouncy is a bit overrated but I believe it is because he is always slowed by injury. If he can put together an injury free season this yr he can vault up in my eyes if not he may never live up to his potential.

[SecretAgentMan]

I would be more interested if you broke it down by how you think the overall run/pass D and run/pass O would play out. Most of us pretty much know how good the players are individually.

Good idea. I'll add that into my final thoughts next time

[Dubs]

I would be more interested if you broke it down by how you think the overall run/pass D and run/pass O would play out. Most of us pretty much know how good the players are individually.

 

Agreed I love reading the player analysis but how they operate all together is usually what separates teams from one another..such as NFLFan123 team while his receivers are undoubtedly great I am not sure I would ever want Brandon Marshall alongside a guy like Calvin Johnson..while Calvin could compliment anyone schematically whoever that QB is gonna be is gonna get an earful in the huddle non stop..luckily there are some team players and leaders like Joe Staley and Alfred Morris

[SecretAgentMan]

I agree green was your worst pick over pouncey. There were any number if game changing players who would have a greater impact than green. Pouncy is a bit overrated but I believe it is because he is always slowed by injury. If he can put together an injury free season this yr he can vault up in my eyes if not he may never live up to his potential.

I took Green simply because I figured I figured a guy like Tannehill or Freeman would be there in 8 picks. I wanted to give my QB a good option. He has one in Vincet Jackson, but Green in my eyes the second best WR in the NFL.
Plus, the QBs that late aren't good enough to "make" their WRs. I figured a guy like Green would make Freeman's life a little easier

[SecretAgentMan]

Agreed I love reading the player analysis but how they operate all together is usually what separates teams from one another..such as NFLFan123 team while his receivers are undoubtedly great I am not sure I would ever want Brandon Marshall alongside a guy like Calvin Johnson..while Calvin could compliment anyone schematically whoever that QB is gonna be is gonna get an earful in the huddle non stop..luckily there are some team players and leaders like Joe Staley and Alfred Morris

That's an excellent point. Marshall is a diva and wants his receptions, while Calvin is impossible to cover. But, if they could find some way to click, that corps couldn't be stopped

[Mt. Crushmore]

Prediction for record. 6-9
 

 

Was that intentional?

[SecretAgentMan]

Was that intentional?

Partially yes :P

But there are a few teams they are capable of beating.

If they catch Freeman on a bad day, they kick my a easy.

Then again. Anyone would....

Which is why I want the rights to Bridgewater too :P

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

I took Green simply because I figured I figured a guy like Tannehill or Freeman would be there in 8 picks. I wanted to give my QB a good option. He has one in Vincet Jackson, but Green in my eyes the second best WR in the NFL.
Plus, the QBs that late aren't good enough to "make" their WRs. I figured a guy like Green would make Freeman's life a little easier

yeah, but passing on Rivers there was a bad pick

[SecretAgentMan]

yeah, but passing on Rivers there was a bad pick

I'm not the biggest Rivers fan.
Partially because I think he was overrated 4 years ago.

The other part of me hates his extreme arrogance.

And for that reason I thought he would fall to my next pick

But part of me was pissed when Grim killed my dreams. Then I realized I can have a good QB in Freeman who has a ton of room to grow.. And I gave him a good enough weapon to start off with

Green wasn't a lousy pick. It wasn't my best or worst tho.

[SecretAgentMan]

yeah, but passing on Rivers there was a bad pick

Says the guy with no QB :P

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Says the guy with no QB :P

i thought you might come back with that lol

for myself i decided to go with arguably the best pass rusher at #13

thought long and hard about it, almost took Wilson (pick #14) who was very good as a rookie, but still a rookie non-the-less

anyway, i believe the QB that I'll play will be (and also considered) better than yours coming the start of 2014 regular season

or i might lose him to T3hRaven lol

[SecretAgentMan]

i thought you might come back with that lol
for myself i decided to go with arguably the best pass rusher at #13
thought long and hard about it, almost took Wilson (pick #14) who was a very good rookie, but a rookie non-the-less
still i believe the QB that I'll play will be (and also considered) better than yours coming the start of 2014 regular season
or i might lose him to T3hRaven lol

Haha. It's alright. I'll just get more WR to cover up my QBs flaws, while your qb will be considered better, mine will win more games.

Or Josh Freeman could breakout :P. and the arrival next year of Marquis could just make him look better.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Haha. It's alright. I'll just get more WR to cover up my QBs flaws, while your qb will be considered better, mine will win more games.
Or Josh Freeman could breakout :P. and the arrival next year of Marquis could just make him look better.

my front 7 will be collapsing your pocket like no-tomorrow and no amount of WRs will make Freemen better under presure; plus my LBs are very good in cover, the CBs play man and safeties hit hard

[SecretAgentMan]

my front 7 will be collapsing your pocket like no-tomorrow and no amount of WRs will make Freemen better under presure; plus my LBs are very good in cover, the CBs play man and safeties hit hard

Actually, I was prepared for this...
I made sure all my Olinemen (cept Colon) are top rated pass protectors.

LBs may be good in coverage, but it's going to take a lot to stop the terrible threesome. One of my WRs will always be WIDE open. Just lob it to him, and instant ten yards.

[GrimCoconut]

im quoting you but this response goes for gabe too.....

the only one I would put above him on your list is mack.......I think its funny how his play is average yet the people who get pay to play this game, talk about this game, analyze this game put him above all those guys......and I bet you that you guys max watch him play three times a year.....and that makes you more of an expert than actual experts......now im not saying that you guys don't know football what im saying is that you don't know steelers players as well as you should...and you do have a bias...example.... gradkowski....you guys think he is the next big thing.....even though he is unproven....if I said Mclendon is better than Ngata...you would call me biased because I would be....are those who say Ngata is overrated, sure there are...are they in the minority yes....Pouncey has consistently been rated higher than everyone on your list......but what do the experts know right

He's been rated higher than Kalil, Mangold and Myers? Myers is one of the very best in the game. One of the very best. Mangold and Kalil have both been to pro bowls. Pro Bowl appearances mean nothing to me.

I don't think Gino is better than Pouncey. I loved what I saw from him against one of the best DT in football in Atkins. I've gone on record as saying he's unproven. Not sure your point here.

[GrimCoconut]

I agree green was your worst pick over pouncey. There were any number if game changing players who would have a greater impact than green. Pouncy is a bit overrated but I believe it is because he is always slowed by injury. If he can put together an injury free season this yr he can vault up in my eyes if not he may never live up to his potential.

I'd agree that Pouncey's biggest issue is remaining healthy. That's my major issue with Pouncey.

[SteelersProphet]

He's been rated higher than Kalil, Mangold and Myers? Myers is one of the very best in the game. One of the very best. Mangold and Kalil have both been to pro bowls. Pro Bowl appearances mean nothing to me.

I don't think Gino is better than Pouncey. I loved what I saw from him against one of the best DT in football in Atkins. I've gone on record as saying he's unproven. Not sure your point here.

all of that post wasn't directed at you...I was talking about all the posts I just quoted yours

 

I know you said probowls don't matter to you but last year Myers was the backup to Pouncey......and Mangold is old

 

and my point with Gino is that some ravens fans have said to me this exact thing "Gino is our worst lineman but he's as good as Pouncey who is your best" which is crazy.......and that shows ravens fans have an anti Steelers bias, or a pro ravens one....which alters their ability to accurately evaluate players on both those teams

[SteelersProphet]

I'd agree that Pouncey's biggest issue is remaining healthy. That's my major issue with Pouncey.

in three years as a stater he has missed three games.........I wouldn't call that a major issue

 

also a little extra...this is mainly for gabe

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9407805/nfl-breaking-top-10-offensive-linemen-2016

[gabefergy]

in three years as a stater he has missed three games.........I wouldn't call that a major issue

 

also a little extra...this is mainly for gabe

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9407805/nfl-breaking-top-10-offensive-linemen-2016

Horton is a hack. lol. Try harder Steelers homer

[SteelersProphet]

Horton is a hack. lol. Try harder Steelers homer

 

its funny how im a homer yet my opinion is the majority opinion.......your in the minority, and that's fine I just don't think you should be so matter of fact about something that isn't an open and shut case...you read one article you like and then stick by it like its the undeniable truth.....debate me with what you know not what PFF tells you to think

[gabefergy]

its funny how im a homer yet my opinion is the majority opinion.......your in the minority, and that's fine I just don't think you should be so matter of fact about something that isn't an open and shut case...you read one article you like and then stick by it like its the undeniable truth.....debate me with what you know not what PFF tells you to think

Just look at the comments section in the article you posted. Every single person knows that list is a joke. PFF doesnt tell me what to think, it just tells me facts. I find it amusing that you try to use all these "experts" opinions when all that is just that, opinion. The actual numbers dont lie.

[SteelersProphet]

Just look at the comments section in the article you posted. Every single person knows that list is a joke. PFF doesnt tell me what to think, it just tells me facts. I find it amusing that you try to use all these "experts" opinions when all that is just that, opinion. The actual numbers dont lie.

 

its just PFF'S opinion too....there are no quantifiable numbers for a center that aren't highly subjective

 

that's what we are talking here opinions.....and you get yours from a website and I come to mine through WATCHING FOOTBALL