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[SecretAgentMan]

Offense:

QB: Eli Manning (1)
RB: Chris Johnson (8)
WR: Justin Blackmon (9)
WR: Justin Hunter (11)
WR: Marquise Goodwin (22)
TE: Kellen Davis (17)
TE: Tony Scheffler (24)
LT: Kyle Long (14)
LG: Dan Connoly (18)
C: Dominic Raiola (20)
RG: Ramon Harewood (19)
RT: Michael Oher (13)

Defense:
DT: Fletcher Cox (4)
DT: Domata Peko (14)
DE: Jared Allen (3)
DE: Robert Mathis (6)
OLB: Wesley Woodyard (7)
OLB: Khaseem Greene (15)
MLB: Pat Willis (2)
CB: Dee Milliner (10)
CB: Quentin Jammer (16)
NB: Mike Jenkins (23)
FS: Mike Huff (12)
SS: Kam Chancellor (5)

Special Teams:

K: Phil Dawson (21)
P:

Quickie thoughts(bc I'm pressed for time).

The inconsistent Eli Manning gets an inconsistent RB to play next to him.
The team is young but Manning on a good day can get them to work. The 4-3 defense is very good. Maybe elite. I like the secondary

[gabefergy]

Lots of young and unproven players on this team. The LB corps is a strength, but aside from that and a very good QB, I see lots of question marks.

[stm85]

I love the front 7 on D. It's a formidable unit and should be adept in stopping both the run and pass. The secondary doesn't excite me much. Chancellor is a great player, but he is given a lot of freedom in Seattle's D from playing next to Earl Thomas that he won't get here. I expect Huff and Milliner to be solid, but Jammer's play has fallen off of a cliff and I'm not a fan of Jenkins. Some of these concerns will be remedied by a fantastic front 7 but they are still an issue going forward. The offense doesn't excite me much at all. Eli is a very good QB and Johnson can potentially be a game breaking player but there are no weapons in the passing game at all and the line is very weak. I have a hard time seeing this offense doing much. The front 7 will have to carry this team (which Eli is used to I guess).

[gabefergy]

Hey Steelers Prophet, I found an OL worse than yours.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Hey Steelers Prophet, I found an OL worse than yours.

lmao

[T3hRaven]

Hey Steelers Prophet, I found an OL worse than yours.

 

It might be the worst in the league.  Wow that's a bad OL.  I don't like the rest of his team but his OL is an especially bad spot.  I like Long but he's unproven and all projection, and his line only goes downhill from there.  When Michael Oher is arguably your best lineman you know you have some serious serious problems.  Good luck giving Eli time to throw, he'll need to do that Super Bowl move where he gets out of a tackle on pretty much every down.  Defensive end might be his only strong spot, but Mathis and Allen are getting old so it's a question of how long they produce.  Admittedly I'm not a big Eli fan, and he doesn't have the weapons he needs around him to be effective.  The receiving corps is all guesswork, and if Chris Johnson couldn't be super effective behind what was, at times, a good Titans OL he'll be lucky to average 2 yards a carry behind that unit.  I mean he basically doesn't have a RG because Harewood is ALWAYS hurt.

 

Without Eli Manning I'd say this team was playing for the first pick in the draft.

[ravensdan]

Lots of young and unproven players on this team. The LB corps is a strength, but aside from that and a very good QB, I see lots of question marks.

I pretty much agree with this assessment. On offense eli is a great start but then we go downhill. Long and oher are gOod tackles. But not enough to make up for the rest of the line which is not ready for prime time. We have seen what cj has done w/o phenomenal line play and that's not much. I don't like any of these receivers much but they are yong.

Relying on the aging mathis and allen won't get this team far, and peko and cox have been mediocre. The linebackers as you say is the strongest point to this team.

Unfortunately in my opinion the whole squad is ill conceived.

[gabefergy]

I pretty much agree with this assessment. On offense eli is a great start but then we go downhill. Long and oher are gOod tackles. But not enough to make up for the rest of the line which is not ready for prime time. We have seen what cj has done w/o phenomenal line play and that's not much. I don't like any of these receivers much but they are yong.

Relying on the aging mathis and allen won't get this team far, and peko and cox have been mediocre. The linebackers as you say is the strongest point to this team.

Unfortunately in my opinion the whole squad is ill conceived.

The LT is Kyle Long, not Jake Long. The player who started half a season at LG in college.

[SecretAgentMan]

Get the Ball Down the Field Guys Offense:

QB - Carson Palmer(Good QB if he returns to his old form)
RB - Ryan Mathews(GOOD THING YOU DRAFTED A BACKUP)

3RB - Ronnie Hillman(Solid Backup.....)
WR - Julio Jones(Stud)
WR - Pierre Garçon(Solid #2)
WR - TJ Graham(Potentially good #3 TBD)
LT - Russell Okung(Elite)
LG - Mike Iupati(elite)
C-   Lyle Sendlein(With what was there, solid pick)
RG - Jahri Evans(Elite)
RT - Rodger Saffold(TBD since he's never played RT)
TE - Heath Miller(Injured. DRAFT A BACKUP)
 

Hit the Guy with the Ball Defense (4-3):

LDE - Mario Williams(Better fit in a 4-3)

DT - Corey Liuget(TBD in a 4-3)

DT - Vance Walker(One of the most underrated players in the game)

RDE - Everson Griffen(Naturally a 4-3 end anyway lol)
WLB - Vontaze Burfict(Again, naturally a 4-3)
MLB - Stephen Tulloch(Again 4-3(why did he make this team a 3-4 team)
SLB - James Anderson(Another good 4-3 OLB)
CB - Tim Jennings(Shutdown, but going vs big guys I'd be worried)
CB - Chris Culliver(Headcase, but he's a very good #2 CB)

CB - Corey Webster (Nickel)(Isn't he the one who Torrey burned on a consistant basis?)
SS - T.J. Ward(Elite SS)
FS - Louis Delmas(Injury prone. And out of position imho. Isn't he a SS?)

 

 

PuRock turned this team around and turned it into a top 15 team. The defense is built more appropriately, as it should be a 4-3. This defensive unit might even be elite.  The offense will be dictated by Palmer,  who finally has weapons and an elite Oline. I don't think he's good enough at this point to win a SB, but this team is a playoff team in my eyes. I'm a bit worried about the running game and Miller..... But that's just me.

[-Truth-]

With regards to the team before, the Offensive Line certainly seems shaky. Dominic Raiola has been a terrific pass protector in Detroit, but his mates inside won't do him any justice. Michael Oher has been somewhat up and down at RT in recent years, and I wonder how Kyle Long will fare in a full season at LT. Chris Johnson has lost a step in these last two seasons, and the bulk of his production has come in small spurts. 1,299 of his 2,290 rushing yards have come in 9 contests, on 199 carries with a 6.5 YPC. The other 23 resulted in 991 yards, on 339 carries with a 2.9 YPC. With the issues at OL, his struggles are unlikely to disappear. The WR corps is unproven, but does have youth and upside. I would've hoped to have seen a better receiving TE to give Eli Manning an option in-between the hashes. Unfortunately, Kellen Davis has been dreadful in this facet. Though he will be an adequate blocker.

 

That aside, the defense does have promise. Robert Mathis returns to a four man front, where his best seasons have come about. There's an obvious age concern with both Jared Allen and Mathis being in their 30s, but the two should form a dangerous duo for at least a season or two. Fletcher Cox held his own inside, from what I recall, and was an impressive prospect when coming out. However, I've never been a fan of Domata Peko. I don't recall him standing out in any of the games that I can recall. The LB corps has a ton of athleticism, especially with Patrick Willis and Wesley Woodyard. Each will do wonders for the passing game, as they've been outstanding in coverage. The Safety duo is a very good one. I'm especially fond of Kam Chancellor. But I am worried about the CBs. Quentin Jammer has fallen off of a cliff in terms of his recent play, as has Mike Jenkins. The onus will fall on the Rookie to cover opposing number one options, which is a difficult task for any first year CB. Overall, there are definitely some positives. But there seems to be a significant amount of questions and concerns as well.

[PuRock]

PuRock turned this team around and turned it into a top 15 team. The defense is built more appropriately, as it should be a 4-3. This defensive unit might even be elite.  The offense will be dictated by Palmer,  who finally has weapons and an elite Oline. I don't think he's good enough at this point to win a SB, but this team is a playoff team in my eyes. I'm a bit worried about the running game and Miller..... But that's just me.

 

The D looks a lot better on paper as a 4-3, not sure why he wanted it as  3-4 either.  Added two solid picks (nothng special) to play a role.  But 5superaboiauboas did a fairly good job of drafting.

 

Not a fan of the Heath Miller pick.   There were many other options (younger, healthy options) at TE then when Miller was picked.  I also wish I could have the TJ Graham pick back. Though I do believe he has upside to match his speed.  I don't mind taking a chance on Ryan Mathews at where I got him.  Even though I'm not a big fan of Julio/Garcon, I've bought into the tandem on this team.

 

The O-Line is good.  Something that Carson & Ryan Mathews aren't use to.  And I think overall this team could surprise people.  My biggest enemy is health, and Carson Palmer's aggressiveness (Ints)..  

[gabefergy]

I like Pu's team. Carson Palmer is a solid QB capable of leading his team to the playoffs, especially with those weapons behind that OL.

[PuRock]

CB - Chris Culliver(Headcase, but he's a very good #2 CB)

 

CB - Corey Webster (Nickel)(Isn't he the one who Torrey burned on a consistant basis?)

 

Ugh.  I actually forgot that I had Culliver on my team until right now. Reports say he tore his ACL in practice today.  I guess I'm in the injury to a starter boat.   

 

I don't believe so.  I don't remember Torrey lighting up the Giants ever.  That's the only team he ever played for.

 

I like Pu's team. Carson Palmer is a solid QB capable of leading his team to the playoffs, especially with those weapons behind that OL.

 

Thanks! I'm sure 5supapoiubals appreciates the comment as well. 

 

I think too many people focus in on 'what have you done for me lately' and hate Palmer.  But he played on an Oakland team with a bad O-line, bad coaching, and questionable talent at WR.  On this team he has a really good O-Line and weapons he hasn't had since the Johnson/Housh days.  

 

Give him a decent head coach and I too think he can win.  He's 33 and a few years left in him.  Not bad for where I drafted him.

[-Truth-]

Contrary to the previously listed unit, this OL is among the better ones in this process. Rodger Saffold had a complete turn around in the pass blocking department. There will be a transition period in the switch to RT, but it shouldn't be much of an issue. Lyle Sendlein is arguably the weakest link, but that's more-so a complement to the rest of the unit. He hasn't fared too poorly considering the circumstances, and will certainly benefit from being sandwiched between two top tier OGs. I very much like the WR duo of Julio Jones and Pierre Garçon. They're perfect complements to Carson Palmer. T.J. Graham's generated some buzz in this Offseason, but I'm still sour on the kid from the times I've glanced over while observing #28. For a player who thrives on speed, he failed to create any separation on a regular basis. Should Ryan Mathews remain healthy, which is always in question, he could be due for a bounce back season. He still has the talent to be a solid back, in my eyes. And the vertical ability of the passing attack should force defenses to be honest, which will help keep defenders out of the box.

There is a lot to like on the defensive end. The only players I'd personally have significant concerns about are Corey Webster and James Anderson. Webster had a season to forget, to say the least. I honestly almost questioned whether he ever got over DeSean Jackson's head fake in Week 3. I haven't found Anderson to be as impactful as I hoped for him to be. He was firmly on my radar after I caught their 2011 contest against Atlanta, wherein he was all over the field. However, since then, he's looked more like a stat sheet filler than anything else. Stephen Tulloch played through injuries in 2012, but is reportedly as healthy as he's ever been. I expect him to return to form. I would like to say the same for Mario Williams. But the reports about his foot injury this Offseason do cast a little cloud over that prediction. I'm assuming that T.J. Ward will switch back to his original NFL position, that being FS, since he and Louis Delmas played at the Strong last season. In the end, this is a solid team, one that could be especially sneaky if both Palmer and Mathews perform to their abilities.

[PuRock]

 In the end, this is a solid team, one that could be especially sneaky if both Palmer and Mathews perform to their abilities.

 

Thanks, me and 5supaeroaeibls appreciate it.  

 

Anderson had an off year last year and I agree on the 'stat' filler part.  But I think he'll be a big role player this year for the Bears (ahem....my team).  He's also a high character veteran (29 y.o.), it'll be good to have him around Vontaze. 

[ravensdan]

The LT is Kyle Long, not Jake Long. The player who started half a season at LG in college.

oh man. Good catch. Yikes. This team is in bigger trouble than I thought. I would honestly start oher over him there

[ravensdan]

Contrary to the previously listed unit, this OL is among the better ones in this process. Rodger Saffold had a complete turn around in the pass blocking department. There will be a transition period in the switch to RT, but it shouldn't be much of an issue. Lyle Sendlein is arguably the weakest link, but that's more-so a complement to the rest of the unit. He hasn't fared too poorly considering the circumstances, and will certainly benefit from being sandwiched between two top tier OGs. I very much like the WR duo of Julio Jones and Pierre Garçon. They're perfect complements to Carson Palmer. T.J. Graham's generated some buzz in this Offseason, but I'm still sour on the kid from the times I've glanced over while observing #28. For a player who thrives on speed, he failed to create any separation on a regular basis. Should Ryan Mathews remain healthy, which is always in question, he could be due for a bounce back season. He still has the talent to be a solid back, in my eyes. And the vertical ability of the passing attack should force defenses to be honest, which will help keep defenders out of the box.

There is a lot to like on the defensive end. The only players I'd personally have significant concerns about are Corey Webster and James Anderson. Webster had a season to forget, to say the least. I honestly almost questioned whether he ever got over DeSean Jackson's head fake in Week 3. I haven't found Anderson to be as impactful as I hoped for him to be. He was firmly on my radar after I caught their 2011 contest against Atlanta, wherein he was all over the field. However, since then, he's looked more like a stat sheet filler than anything else. Stephen Tulloch played through injuries in 2012, but is reportedly as healthy as he's ever been. I expect him to return to form. I would like to say the same for Mario Williams. But the reports about his foot injury this Offseason do cast a little cloud over that prediction. I'm assuming that T.J. Ward will switch back to his original NFL position, that being FS, since he and Louis Delmas played at the Strong last season. In the end, this is a solid team, one that could be especially sneaky if both Palmer and Mathews perform to their abilities.

I agree with everything truth has written here but I will add in addition to Webster being a concern I am not a fan of culliver in the least. One he makes it hard to root for him. Two his coverage abilities or lack there of we're exposed in the playoffs. Three it apears he is now down with an acl tear.

Despite the secondary and running back concerns, I could see this team as sneaky good and in the playoffs for several years.

[-Truth-]

I agree with everything truth has written here but I will add in addition to Webster being a concern I am not a fan of culliver in the least. One he makes it hard to root for him. Two his coverage abilities or lack there of we're exposed in the playoffs. Three it apears he is now down with an acl tear.

Despite the secondary and running back concerns, I could see this team as sneaky good and in the playoffs for several years.

 

Thank you. Assuming you're referring to his character, I understand what you mean. His Playoff stretch was definitely discouraging. But Culliver did flash potential in his Rookie season, and was solid through the first 16 games in 2012, so I would've given him the benefit of the doubt coming into this season, considering the aforementioned stretch an anomaly rather than the other way around. That being said, with the reports confirming the ACL tear, he'll almost certainly be a non-factor in 2013. It's an unfortunate injury for any player, and a shame, as I was hoping to see how he'd perform. Agreed on everything that follows.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

It might be the worst in the league. Wow that's a bad OL. I don't like the rest of his team but his OL is an especially bad spot. I like Long but he's unproven and all projection, and his line only goes downhill from there. When Michael Oher is arguably your best lineman you know you have some serious serious problems. Good luck giving Eli time to throw, he'll need to do that Super Bowl move where he gets out of a tackle on pretty much every down. Defensive end might be his only strong spot, but Mathis and Allen are getting old so it's a question of how long they produce. Admittedly I'm not a big Eli fan, and he doesn't have the weapons he needs around him to be effective. The receiving corps is all guesswork, and if Chris Johnson couldn't be super effective behind what was, at times, a good Titans OL he'll be lucky to average 2 yards a carry behind that unit. I mean he basically doesn't have a RG because Harewood is ALWAYS hurt.

Without Eli Manning I'd say this team was playing for the first pick in the draft.

ravensdan, on 01 Aug 2013 - 8:49 PM, said:

I pretty much agree with this assessment. On offense eli is a great start but then we go downhill. Long and oher are gOod tackles. But not enough to make up for the rest of the line which is not ready for prime time. We have seen what cj has done w/o phenomenal line play and that's not much. I don't like any of these receivers much but they are yong.

Relying on the aging mathis and allen won't get this team far, and peko and cox have been mediocre. The linebackers as you say is the strongest point to this team.

Unfortunately in my opinion the whole squad is ill conceived.

-Truth-, on 01 Aug 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

With regards to the team before, the Offensive Line certainly seems shaky. Dominic Raiola has been a terrific pass protector in Detroit, but his mates inside won't do him any justice. Michael Oher has been somewhat up and down at RT in recent years, and I wonder how Kyle Long will fare in a full season at LT. Chris Johnson has lost a step in these last two seasons, and the bulk of his production has come in small spurts. 1,299 of his 2,290 rushing yards have come in 9 contests, on 199 carries with a 6.5 YPC. The other 23 resulted in 991 yards, on 339 carries with a 2.9 YPC. With the issues at OL, his struggles are unlikely to disappear. The WR corps is unproven, but does have youth and upside. I would've hoped to have seen a better receiving TE to give Eli Manning an option in-between the hashes. Unfortunately, Kellen Davis has been dreadful in this facet. Though he will be an adequate blocker.

That aside, the defense does have promise. Robert Mathis returns to a four man front, where his best seasons have come about. There's an obvious age concern with both Jared Allen and Mathis being in their 30s, but the two should form a dangerous duo for at least a season or two. Fletcher Cox held his own inside, from what I recall, and was an impressive prospect when coming out. However, I've never been a fan of Domata Peko. I don't recall him standing out in any of the games that I can recall. The LB corps has a ton of athleticism, especially with Patrick Willis and Wesley Woodyard. Each will do wonders for the passing game, as they've been outstanding in coverage. The Safety duo is a very good one. I'm especially fond of Kam Chancellor. But I am worried about the CBs. Quentin Jammer has fallen off of a cliff in terms of his recent play, as has Mike Jenkins. The onus will fall on the Rookie to cover opposing number one options, which is a difficult task for any first year CB. Overall, there are definitely some positives. But there seems to be a significant amount of questions and concerns as well.

[gabefergy]

Lol bravo!

[T3hRaven]

Now I feel bad.

[SecretAgentMan]

I will continue when the draft is over

[ravensdan]

I will continue when the draft is over

Oh man. The draft is moving so slow now. Need a new team to discuss.

[SecretAgentMan]

Oh man. The draft is moving so slow now. Need a new team to discuss.

Nah. I'm going to open up the Mega Thread at the end of the draft

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Nah. I'm going to open up the Mega Thread at the end of the draft

not fair! where's my team? boo...

[-Truth-]

So, will we be finishing the teams that haven't had a turn? If so, will it occur before or after the Power Rankings? I'd like to have a chance to field the critiques about my team and either agree or defend those selections. I'm a much bigger fan of this process, to be honest. A ranking system created by one individual, regardless of who they are, is very subjective. I'd personally prefer a league-wide vote after a group discussion and critique session regarding all teams.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

So, will we be finishing the teams that haven't had a turn? If so, will it occur before or after the Power Rankings? I'd like to have a chance to field the critiques about my team and either agree or defend those selections. I'm a much bigger fan of this process, to be honest. A ranking system created by one individual, regardless of who they are, is very subjective. I'd personally prefer a league-wide vote after a group discussion and critique session regarding all teams.

 

i am of the same opinion

 

ps and my team is kind of finalised within the 26 rounds draft

[SecretAgentMan]

So, will we be finishing the teams that haven't had a turn? If so, will it occur before or after the Power Rankings? I'd like to have a chance to field the critiques about my team and either agree or defend those selections. I'm a much bigger fan of this process, to be honest. A ranking system created by one individual, regardless of who they are, is very subjective. I'd personally prefer a league-wide vote after a group discussion and critique session regarding all teams.

You're team is ranked highly with both mine and Gabe's rankings.


But no, the teams that have not been done will be completed in the SUPER HITLIST.

If you (and only -Truth-) want to see the rankings and my analysis before the SUPER HITLIST begins plz PM me.

I think were doing that thing for something else

[T3hRaven]

I worked up a 26 round defense and now you do this to us?  I am very disappoint.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

But no, the teams that have not been done will be completed in the SUPER HITLIST.

that's just lazy!