SAM's NFL Hit List

[gabefergy]

Starks IMO is in the running for worst OT in the league.....there were plays that he just stood there and let the defender go right around him....his feet would never move....the only thing he had going for him was that he was huge...but the older he gets the less that ability covers up

Webb is much better than starks

and when Martin plays ok this season im going to bring it up again.....how many OT's played poorly the first year but now are considered above average......tons

my line is solid in the middle....and has two tackles who are not great but IMO have ample room for improvement

also Tackle play is not as important as interior play.......especially with ben

Outside of Mack your interior is nothing to write home about. Feel free to bring up Martin's play all you want. He is going to struggle mightily this year. In fact reports out if Dolphins camp have already been negative.

[SteelersProphet]

Outside of Mack your interior is nothing to write home about. Feel free to bring up Martin's play all you want. He is going to struggle mightily this year. In fact reports out if Dolphins camp have already been negative.

 

Foster is a top notch pass protector...he was our most consistent O-lineman last year

 

so that's at least two great interior pass protectors...and bergstrom will be one IMO...but I have no proof of that

[gabefergy]

Foster is a top notch pass protector...he was our most consistent O-lineman last year

so that's at least two great interior pass protectors...and bergstrom will be one IMO...but I have no proof of that

Foster is a good pass-blocker and a terrible run blocker, Bergstrom is an unknown commodity. Paired with below average (I'm being nice) OTs that is still an average at best OL overall.

The other line in question I would take 10 out of 10 times.

[SteelersProphet]

Foster is a good pass-blocker and a terrible run blocker, Bergstrom is an unknown commodity. Paired with below average (I'm being nice) OTs that is still an average at best OL overall.

The other line in question I would take 10 out of 10 times.

 

ill take average...I drafted them all late round....ben has played with below average lines his entire career

 

average is a luxury to him

 

and foster is not terrible at run blocking...he is average but getting better

[-Truth-]

Martin was a guy who always had TE help at Stanford. When he didn't he struggled. Initially labeled as an early first round pick going into his last year, it became readily apparent that he lacked athleticism and strength. He fell pretty far because his fit as an NFL LT was seriously in question.

 

Ah, I see. That does make sense from what he's showed thus far. Here's hoping he can turn it around, for his sake.

[SteelersProphet]

Ah, I see. That does make sense from what he's showed thus far. Here's hoping he can turn it around, for his sake.

and mine lol

[gabefergy]

ill take average...I drafted them all late round....ben has played with below average lines his entire career

average is a luxury to him

and foster is not terrible at run blocking...he is average but getting better

That's why you RBs averaged 3.7 YPC last year.

[SteelersProphet]

That's why you RBs averaged 3.7 YPC last year.

yea because that's all fosters fault lol....come on now

 

who was our running backs...dwyer and redman...its not like we had ray rice back there

[gabefergy]

yea because that's all fosters fault lol....come on now

who was our running backs...dwyer and redman...its not like we had ray rice back there

Rice probably would have gotten worse. Seriously. Its not all on Foster but when you have an elite center like Pouncey I would expect a lot more. But I digress, still don't like your line at all. Ben will get killed per usual.

[SecretAgentMan]

Rice probably would have gotten worse. Seriously. Its not all on Foster but when you have an elite center like Pouncey I would expect a lot more. But I digress, still don't like your line at all. Ben will get killed per usual.

Oh. So now you're calling Pouncey elite ;)

[-Truth-]

and mine lol

 

lol Good point. If you don't mind me asking, exactly how poor was Max Starks outside of his games against Baltimore? J'Marcus Webb's 2012 campaign will be remembered for being massacred at the hands of Aldon Smith, and on good reason. But I caught a few of the Bears four other prime-time contests, and he didn't seem as horrendous as I expected. He definitely had his fair share of struggles, and his surpassing of my expectations was more of an indication of how low my expectations were, but the point still stands.

[SteelersProphet]

Rice probably would have gotten worse. Seriously. Its not all on Foster but when you have an elite center like Pouncey I would expect a lot more. But I digress, still don't like your line at all. Ben will get killed per usual.

what.......now he's an elite center when your trying to disparage Foster........he is overrated remember

 

you said it was average.....how can an average line be so terrible.....we won a superbowl in 2008 with one of the worst lines in the league...average is acceptable, every part of your team cant have pro-bowlers on it

[SteelersProphet]

lol Good point. If you don't mind me asking, exactly how poor was Max Starks outside of his games against Baltimore? J'Marcus Webb's 2012 campaign will be remembered for being massacred at the hands of Aldon Smith, and on good reason. But I caught a few of the Bears four other prime-time contests, and he didn't seem as horrendous as I expected. He definitely had his fair share of struggles, and his surpassing of my expectations was more of an indication of how low my expectations were, but the point still stands.

 

pretty poor.....starks was only good if the defender tried to overpower him...if he did any kind of move starks would lose him

 

webb had a few terrible games early on that skewed the stats...also he is more suited to the right side where the bears are playing him now

[gabefergy]

Oh. So now you're calling Pouncey elite ;)

Its called sarcasm. I guess you didn't quite pick that up.

[gabefergy]

what.......now he's an elite center when your trying to disparage Foster........he is overrated remember

you said it was average.....how can an average line be so terrible.....we won a superbowl in 2008 with one of the worst lines in the league...average is acceptable, every part of your team cant have pro-bowlers on it

Average (at best) as in overall talent. Compared to the rest of the teams in this draft it is poor and will be absolutely destroyed going against a lot of of these front 7s.

[SecretAgentMan]

Its called sarcasm. I guess you didn't quite pick that up.

That's what the winky gave is for lol

[SteelersProphet]

Average (at best) as in overall talent. Compared to the rest of the teams in this draft it is poor and will be absolutely destroyed going against a lot of of these front 7s.

 

im starting to think your just doubling down because you were so down on my line earlier.......theres no way a line without a center and an unproven guard, with two tackles that are at least comparable in questionable ability to mine can be considered far and away better than my line........

[gabefergy]

im starting to think your just doubling down because you were so down on my line earlier.......theres no way a line without a center and an unproven guard, with two tackles that are at least comparable in questionable ability to mine can be considered far and away better than my line........

You obviously can't be objective. I am impartial here.

[-Truth-]

pretty poor.....starks was only good if the defender tried to overpower him...if he did any kind of move starks would lose him

 

webb had a few terrible games early on that skewed the stats...also he is more suited to the right side where the bears are playing him now

 

I see. Sounds like a major liability.

 

That he did. Had several rough outings in the middle of the season. To his credit, he did finish the season on a strong note. The San Francisco game was a wake up call, as Webb only allowed 0 sacks, 2 QB hits and 7 pressures in his last 6 games. He should fare better at RT.

[SteelersProphet]

You obviously can't be objective. I am impartial here.

 

obviously..........

[gabefergy]

obviously..........

Yup. Of course you will think your players are better than they are...Its something we are all guilty if. If nothing else you have proven to be quite biased about any and every Steelers player. The same holds true about the team you drafted. I have no reason to rate another OL better than yours besides my objective opinion. Take it for what its worth. Its just an opinion, but its based on the performance on the field and as someone who studies the NFL with pretty much every spare moment I can, I think I have a pretty good sense for players talent levels. If I were starting a Franchise Martin and Webb would be two of the worst possible tackles to rely on.

[SecretAgentMan]

Can't insult the steelers here....

My thread is gone :(

[SteelersProphet]

Yup. Of course you will think your players are better than they are...Its something we are all guilty if. If nothing else you have proven to be quite biased about any and every Steelers player. The same holds true about the team you drafted. I have no reason to rate another OL better than yours besides my objective opinion. Take it for what its worth. Its just an opinion, but its based on the performance on the field and as someone who studies the NFL with pretty much every spare moment I can, I think I have a pretty good sense for players talent levels. If I were starting a Franchise Martin and Webb would be two of the worst possible tackles to rely on.

first of all what you mean by being biased towards steelers player is I don't agree with all the unfounded bull that is constantly spouted on this board about every steelers player there is.....you will find the same thing against ravens players if you go to a steelers board, but I know steelers players very well...much better than most of you, because I follow everything about the steelers...I drive up to Latrobe almost every year, im sure not many ravens fans do that.

 

also I follow the NFL just as much as you, and im sure most people here follow the NFL pretty closely because we talk about football when there is no football being played lol

 

and your entitled to your opinion but your wrong.......but we already did this dance lol

[ravensdan]

For what it's worth. Pff rankings for the players in question...
36. Bushrod
50. Webb
71 Starks
76. Martin

Out of 80 tackles...

In pass blocking...
43. Webb
50. Bushrod
64. Starks
75. Martin

Fwiw bushrod was 12 overall in both categories in 11

[gabefergy]

first of all what you mean by being biased towards steelers player is I don't agree with all the unfounded bull that is constantly spouted on this board about every steelers player there is.....you will find the same thing against ravens players if you go to a steelers board, but I know steelers players very well...much better than most of you, because I follow everything about the steelers...I drive up to Latrobe almost every year, im sure not many ravens fans do that.

 

also I follow the NFL just as much as you, and im sure most people here follow the NFL pretty closely because we talk about football when there is no football being played lol

 

and your entitled to your opinion but your wrong.......but we already did this dance lol

Whatever man. It's not worth arguing about. You are going to be a homer that's fine, but I'm not going to agree with you about it.

[SecretAgentMan]

Offense:

QB: Cam Newton(Stud, but won't win games)
RB: Trent Richardson(The Next AP imo. Great player, and great pick) 
WR: Rueben Randle(Potentially good)
WR: Jeremy Kerley(Good slot WR)
WR: Stephen Hill(Could be a stud)
TE: Rob Gronkowski(DRAFT A BACKUP)
TE:NEED A BACKUP :P
LT: Anthony Castonzo(Up and coming. I like it)
LG: Barrett Jones(Brandon???? Jk. TBD)
C: Nick Mangold(One of the best centers in the game)
RG: Jon Asamoah(IDK too much about him)
RT: Demar Dotson(See above)

Defense:
DL: Nick Fairley(STUD)

DL: Dontari Poe(Workout warrior. Potential high but until then, TBD)
DL/LB: Kam Wimbley(Very solid player)

DL/LB: Olivier Vernon(Wasn't he a bust)
LB: Donald Butler(Very underrated)

CB: Chris Harris(Good up and coming player)
CB: Adam "Pacman" Jones(Draft a backup before he ends up back in jail. Otherwise solid pick)
FS: Chris Conte(Mediocre FS, but with what was left great pick)
SS: Jerron McMillian(Who?)

 

Special Teams:

K: Justin Tucker
P: Justin Tucker

 

 

Your team is a giant what if. This team could be dangerous going forward but IDK.

[-Truth-]

Tagging Richardson as the next Adrian Peterson is a somewhat lofty expectation at this point. He was better than his stats indicate, but the two are miles apart at this point. He needs to improve on his YAC, where he surprisingly ranked in the Bottom 10 with 2.1 yards per attempt. Jon Asamoah is a standout at OG, and I wouldn't label Olivier Vernon as a bust, as he flashed potential in 2012. Jerron McMillian split time with other Safeties in the Packers secondary and was solid in coverage.

[SecretAgentMan]

Tagging Richardson as the next Adrian Peterson is a somewhat lofty expectation at this point. He was better than his stats indicate, but the two are miles apart at this point. He needs to improve on his YAC, where he surprisingly ranked in the Bottom 10 with 2.1 yards per attempt. Jon Asamoah is a standout at OG, and I wouldn't label Olivier Vernon as a bust, as he flashed potential in 2012. Jerron McMillian split time with other Safeties in the Packers secondary and was solid in coverage.

I meant in terms of athletic ability. I really liked Richardson as a prospect and cringed when the Browns got him

[SecretAgentMan]

Tagging Richardson as the next Adrian Peterson is a somewhat lofty expectation at this point. He was better than his stats indicate, but the two are miles apart at this point. He needs to improve on his YAC, where he surprisingly ranked in the Bottom 10 with 2.1 yards per attempt. Jon Asamoah is a standout at OG, and I wouldn't label Olivier Vernon as a bust, as he flashed potential in 2012. Jerron McMillian split time with other Safeties in the Packers secondary and was solid in coverage.

I can't read today lol

[PuRock]

 

Offense:

WR: Rueben Randle(Potentially good)
WR: Jeremy Kerley(Good slot WR)
WR: Stephen Hill(Could be a stud)

 

That's a lot of unproven youth at the WR position.  Could work out, but could also be very painful in the next three years.