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[gabefergy]

How do I get dragged into everything lol.

[Sizzlebshu]

How do I get dragged into everything lol.

you're mentioned in the briefest of contexts lol. Poor you

[gabefergy]

Also, you are correct Sizzle. The point of this draft is to build a Franchise, but as it stands now teams can only be judged on what players are taken and how they fit into your roster. It's fair to say that Will Smith at this moment is a weakness considering his age and overall lack of productivity. Projecting future additions is outside the scope of this exercise.

You are also right to point out that every team has weaknesses to some degree, although the way you constructed your roster makes it easier to point out flaws specifically on your defense. You went all in on your offense and built a very formidable side, but that leaves the other side relatively weak. There is no avoiding that reality.

[gabefergy]

you're mentioned in the briefest of contexts lol. Poor you

I don't care, just found it amusing.

[Sizzlebshu]

Also, you are correct Sizzle. The point of this draft is to build a Franchise, but as it stands now teams can only be judged on what players are taken and how they fit into your roster. It's fair to say that Will Smith at this moment is a weakness considering his age and overall lack of productivity. Projecting future additions is outside the scope of this exercise.

You are also right to point out that every team has weaknesses to some degree, although the way you constructed your roster makes it easier to point out flaws specifically on your defense. You went all in on your offense and built a very formidable side, but that leaves the other side relatively weak. There is no avoiding that reality.

Ive embraced it rather than avoiding it and like I said " I took the hits in the spots I found easiest to fill." I also took versatile players to cover my weaknesses. So while you can say Will Smith is a weakness, who is to say that Will Smith wont be a rotational guy and I may end up with Kiwi or Moore or someone else entirely there? Future additions do in fact matter and should be taken into account considering this draft isn't over yet. 

 

Also, pointing out Will Smith as a weakness is the very definition of nitpicky because again how many 4-3 d lines do you see with 4 studs manning every position? In the NFL - 0, in this exercise maybe a few? So I find it equally insane that my pass rush/d line etc... lives and dies with Will Smith. If he is bad or below average, then all is lost. 

[gabefergy]

Ive embraced it rather than avoiding it and like I said " I took the hits in the spots I found easiest to fill." I also took versatile players to cover my weaknesses. So while you can say Will Smith is a weakness, who is to say that Will Smith wont be a rotational guy and I may end up with Kiwi or Moore there? Future additions do in fact matter and should be taken into account considering this draft isn't over yet.

I thought you meant future as in future years to supplement your roster. Of course draft picks that haven't been selected will count...which is why this "evaluation" is a bit premature IMO.

[Sizzlebshu]

I thought you meant future as in future years to supplement your roster. Of course draft picks that haven't been selected will count...which is why this "evaluation" is a bit premature IMO.

Agreed, and I did also mean future years. I mean seriously linebacker is one of the easiest positions you can fill in the draft. From a franchise perspective having a weakness there instead of somewhere else is really a blessing in disguise since its so easy to fix. 

[-Truth-]

The Quality of QBs on the board at the time matter Truth. You seriously aren't trying to compare Bradtford (next QB taken after JPP) to Cam freaking Newton are you? So yes JJ is a reach in that scenario. Forgive me if I don't think Freeman, Bradtford, etc... are franchise guys (or even really solid given all their body of work) and I took a possible game changer in JPP instead. I orginally planned to build a defense first team, but you guys left me so much offensive talent in the rounds after, I would have been stupid to do otherwise. 

 

First of all, my initial comment was a sarcastic and hyperbolic way of how you go about picking apart and rating teams. I don't criticize you for using PFF or for their stats, I criticize you for the context in which you use them which is completely shortsighted. THIS IS DRAFT A FRANCHISE. Not win in one year. Maybe if you looked at which spots have holes rather than just seeing the holes, you'd see I took my hits at places I could live with. Also I asked you for your account info MONTHS AGO. Nice to see you brought it up now.  You wana know why I asked? Its cause I was told that you passed the info around to Gabe and others (by Gabe and others) and maybe just maybe I DID NOT WANT TO PAY for a service when I could get it for free. Btw asked them for your info first, and they said to ask you. Good to know this is what you resort to over a game tho.

 

Linebacking core is probably the weakest level of my defense. Now correct me if Im wrong, but didn't we get a super quality ilb at the end of the second this year? The first ilb taken didn't go until the end of the first and he was a very high upside guy. And a guy with an extremely decorated resume at the position went in the second. Then there was this guy Wagner who went in the second. Pretty safe to say that this is a pretty good place to have a weakness if Im going to have one. Now I may not get a Von Miller at olb, but Im sure I can get find some quality play there. Lofa was a value pick. If he plays great. If not I can easily fill it in the future. 

 

You say I have a weakness at end. Do you really think Will Smith is going to man that spot for 5 years? I have Kiwi and Moore who can end up playing the position as well as the linebacker position depending on how my drafts pan out. So again, the weakness is covered. Maybe if you'd look past oh idk one year, you may see that. 

 

My other weakness are at #2 corner and strong safety. SS I will fill before this is over and #2 corner right now is a committee. In addition though, if Thomas injury forces him to move to Safety, then I would have that spot filled. 

 

btw it is nitpicky because you're basically criticizing the fact that my team has holes when every single team in this game and in the nfl has holes and weaknesses on its roster. 

 

Are you seriously comparing Jason Pierre-Paul to J.J. Watt? Because there's just as much of a disparity between the two DEs as there is between the two QBs. Though neither of the two were among my top remaining QBs, but that's beside the point. You decided to bypass those QBs because you had a defensive player rated higher on your board. Would you happen to guess who followed the exact same strategy a mere 13 picks beforehand? Are you even able to sense the hypocrisy anymore?

 

You threw shade in my direction when asking what PFF told me about Cordarrelle Patterson, implying that my selections are based purely on their evaluations. Was the context an issue then? You've consciously slighted my usage of the site, at random, on several occasions in the public eye, only to turn around and privately ask me for access to the same resource you've directly mocked me about. So please spare me the speech regarding stooping. I've also never once passed around my account information. And the term shortsighted applies to hammering selections since the very first round, before having the slightest clue in which direction the team is heading.

 

Could you please find me the part wherein I insisted that your team is doomed for eternity because of those specific positions, or where I even mentioned your team as a whole. I made several individual remarks regarding several individual players and positions, the exact same action you've taken upon yourself to continue enforcing pick after pick. I praised Sullivan and Williams, and raised questions regarding Smith, Tatupu, Kiwanuka and Thomas based on the tags applied to them by the OP. At no point within that statement did I ever attempt to quantify exactly how much these weaknesses will hinder your chance at future success, if at all. Therefore, you're attempting to criticize an action that has, not only yet to be taken in the present, but may never be taken in the future. If you lack the capacity to comprehend my objective, you would do well without assuming my intentions.

 

Are Cameron Wake and Champ Bailey going to man their respective positions for the next five years? Did this prevent you from criticizing the selections at the time? In reference to your point, what of the FA market, where marquee players like Michael Bennett and Tim Jennings are likely to be headed in 2014? Or the fact that this Draft wasn't close to being over when your comments were made, and there were and still are several upside players at both positions still available? The very point you're arguing condemns the comments you yourself have made in the past. We select Kevin Garnett in the NBA version, and are approached with the near-fact that this will be his very last season. We respond with, "Maybe 2 or 3 in this role but even still if I win a ring it's more than worth it," lauding the difference he could make this year and this year alone. However, when selecting Champ Bailey could mean putting that team over the hump for a current Championship run, we chomp at the bit to disapprove solely because he may not contribute after this upcoming season. Meanwhile, the average age amongst my players is 27.5. I've repeatedly turned away higher rated players for the sake of age and upside, and have placed my faith in a QB who might not play his best ball until a year or two from now. Yet I'm apparently unaware that we're building a Franchise. Lovely. And Lofa Tatupu was nowhere near a value selection. That would imply that there weren't better players on the board.

 

Are we playing the hypothetical Draft game? Let me give it a go. There was this Justin Houston prospect who fell into the 3rd round, and Chris Harris went undrafted, so I shouldn't have bothered to address my OLB and CB positions with early selections. Randall Cobb and Cecil Shorts III went in the 2nd and 4th rounds, so I should've waited on my WRs. Sounds rational? No? I will refer to my previous point in that my comments were and remain directed at the individual players. But to simply consider yourself completely covered at numerous positions that are arguably weaknesses in the present time because of the mere existence of the FA and Draft periods is entirely unrealistic, as it implies a sense of guarantee that your future selections are destined to pan out.

 

One of the main and only points that I have made regarding those players is that there were better options still available at the time, which can absolutely be debated at this very moment, much like you've done with countless selections, regardless of what occurs in the following seasons. In adherence to your argument, you had a clear chance to avoid having those weaknesses at this moment, allowing you to save your future draft selections for other means, like the BPA, making you stronger at a plethora of positions both now and later. Dance around this point if you wish.

[codizzle]

My teams better

[CARavensFan]

My teams better

 

You're up in the NBA Draft as Yata has been skipped.

[flaccopoe]

My teams better

 

You're up in NBA.

[CARavensFan]

So SAM where's the next review??

[gabefergy]

SAM's too busy playing golf. Yawn.

[CARavensFan]

SAM's too busy playing golf. Yawn.

 

Much be nice...

 

I think I know who SAM is now...

 

[SecretAgentMan]

QB - Tom Brady(Hall of famed, but on the wrong side of 30)
RB - Jamaal Charles(Best RB Brady will ever play with. Great player)
WR - Marques Colston(Great player, good hands)
WR - Reggie Wayne(Another Hall of Famer)
TE - Greg Olsen(One of the most underrated TEs in the game
TE - Jermaine Gresham(One of the most overrated TEs in the game
LT - Charles Brown(Solid, not spectacular)
LG - Davin Joseph(Could be a pro bowler again)
C - Jeff Allen(Again, idk too much)
RG - Alex Boone(Great guard)
RT - Levi Brown(Better fit as a RT)

Brady will make the offense good. NEXT

Defense
DE - Sedrick Ellis(Bust, but could turn around)
NT - Kenrick Ellis(Very solid NT)
DE - Antonio Smith(Pro Bowler. Will provide good pass rush)
OLB - James Harrison(If he ever gets healthy again....)
ILB - Jerod Mayo(Another pro bowler)
ILB - Curtis Lofton(Hate you for this pick)
OLB
CB - Cary Williams
CB - Sean Smith(Both are really inconsistent)
FS
SS - Eric Berry(A bit overrated IMHO. Good player though)

Jano is his kicker.

Team on the older side, but will be a good one. He's going to have trouble in the secondary

[gabefergy]

I'm kind of worried about Brady behind that OL, but he does have very nice weapons. Probably a 10 unit. On defense, I think that secondary could struggle. Smith and Williams are both big, and can play physically, but they also tend to get beat...a lot. The Pass-rush isnt looking great either so some of these offenses could put up big numbers against this team.

[Ed_Reed20]

NT - Kenrick Ellis(Very solid NT)

 

Considering he's proved very little going into his third-year, I'd hardly describe Ellis as "very solid". 

[ravensdan]

This team seems to have focused too much on skill players. They are good with brady Charles and colston leading the way. The offensive line looks bad. Charles really hasn't played enough to do anything. Pretty much injured every year this far. Allen you have at center? Has he ever played there? Then Levi brown may be ok at rt, but I would consider him a liability

As for pass rushers you really only have an aging James Harrison. I'm not sure if there are any playmaking pass rushers left to shore up this area. I'm going to disagree somewhat with some previous assessments for your secondary. While both players have been somewhat inconsistent at times they have done well in the defense they were in. It would be best to run a Tampa 2 with alot of man to man with the corners. Berry can really make the whole secondary look better if he can get back to his earlier top notch play. The biggest problem with this plan is the earlier stated lack of a pass rush. I would definitely make that a priority from here on if possible.

Unfortunately I would not be able to rank this squad in the top 15 despite several nice pieces.

[gabefergy]

This team seems to have focused too much on skill players. They are good with brady Charles and colston leading the way. The offensive line looks bad. Charles really hasn't played enough to do anything. Pretty much injured every year this far. Allen you have at center? Has he ever played there? Then Levi brown may be ok at rt, but I would consider him a liability

As for pass rushers you really only have an aging James Harrison. I'm not sure if there are any playmaking pass rushers left to shore up this area. I'm going to disagree somewhat with some previous assessments for your secondary. While both players have been somewhat inconsistent at times they have done well in the defense they were in. It would be best to run a Tampa 2 with alot of man to man with the corners. Berry can really make the whole secondary look better if he can get back to his earlier top notch play. The biggest problem with this plan is the earlier stated lack of a pass rush. I would definitely make that a priority from here on if possible.

Unfortunately I would not be able to rank this squad in the top 15 despite several nice pieces.

You realize Tampa 2 and man to man are diametrically opposed. I don't really think these corners are meant for a zone scheme. Press man would put them in their best role, and Berry has the range to help them out too.

[ravensdan]

[quote name="gabefergy" post="1518311" timestamp="1374282947"]

You realize Tampa 2 and man to man are diametrically opposed. I don't really think these corners are meant for a zone scheme. Press man would put them in their best role, and Berry has the range to help them out too.[/quote]

You are correct, I was not thinking of Tampa 2 but the current schiano bucs defense which features the most press man of any team in the league. An ideal style for these corners IMO.

[gabefergy]

SAM. I know you aren't golfing!

[SecretAgentMan]

SAM. I know you aren't golfing!

IK lol. That's in two hours.

I'm waiting for the launch of the NBA one.

But per request. I'll do it lol

[SecretAgentMan]

Offense
QB: Robert Griffin III(DRAFT A BACKUP)
FB/H-BACK: James Casey
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew(DRAFT ANOTHER BACKUP LOL)
WR: Golden Tate(I don't think he can be a #1, but he's a good WR.
WR: Andre Roberts, WR(I like it. He's going to be with a better QB)
WR:
TE: Martellus Bennett(Good TE. Solid option)
TE: Luke Stocker(Good blocker)
LT: Eugene Monroe(Elite LT)
LG: Jason Pinkston(Dont know much)
C: Phil Costa(Didn't he suck?)
RG: Shawn Lauvao(Dont know much)
RT: WInston Justice(Good OT)

Offensive Strategy:

Taking Robert Griffin III set the scheme for my offense as he had great success with the read-option, however I only plan to incorporate some aspects of the read-option into a great Pro-style spread/motion based offense. My offense will run using misdirection and by creating mismatches with the defense, thus my goal has been to draft talented weapons that can be used in different ways depending on the way the defense is playing. Both of my WR (Tate and Roberts) have experience running Wildcat/direct snap offense which opens things up for possible End-Arounds, Double End-Arounds, etc. I also took a pair of big, physical TEs to make up for my starting WR's lack of height. At Runningback I took Maurice Jones-Drew who is a strong runner that will only be better next to a real Quarterback and has the pass catching ability to split out wide at times and use his speed and power to out-muscle Cornerbacks and outrun Linebackers. This will be a hurry-up, call plays at the line style offense whose goal is to wear out the opposing defense both physically and mentally.

Defense
DE: Pernell McPhee(Good player but why did you draft him this early?)
NT: Brandon Williams(See above)
DE: Jared Odrick(Not the biggest fan of his)
OLB: Barkevious Mingo(Good player with high bust potential)
MLB: Courtney Upshaw(Better fit as a OLB)
MLB: Luke Kuechly(STUD)
OLB: Ryan Kerrigan(STUD)
CB: Stephon Gilmore(hate you)
CB: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie(Didn't he suck?)
FS: Malcolm Jenkins(Didn't he suck)
SS:

Defensive Strategy:

My defense is built around disrupting the timing of the opposing offense by using press-man corners on the outside and having a disruptive pass-rush up coming from different angles along the front seven. Both Stephon Gilmore and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie are big, press-man cornerbacks who can also make plays on the ball which in turn will allow my pas-rushers (Kerrigan, Mingo, McPhee, Upshaw) time to get pressure on the Quarterback. The majority of my defense is very young and athletic with more room to grow.

[-Truth-]

Rodgers-Cromartie as a press man CB? I was almost certain that he's primarily played off in his career but I could be mistaken.

[CalvinSmoke]

Rodgers-Cromartie as a press man CB? I was almost certain that he's primarily played off in his career but I could be mistaken.

your right, he may be confusing Cromarties

[ravensdan]

Rodgers-Cromartie as a press man CB? I was almost certain that he's primarily played off in his career but I could be mistaken.

He is correct. Drc plays best with bump and run man to man on the outside.the eagles asked him to play too much zone where he was less successful.

[ravensdan]

Offense
QB: Robert Griffin III(DRAFT A BACKUP)
FB/H-BACK: James Casey
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew(DRAFT ANOTHER BACKUP LOL)
WR: Golden Tate(I don't think he can be a #1, but he's a good WR.
WR: Andre Roberts, WR(I like it. He's going to be with a better QB)
WR:
TE: Martellus Bennett(Good TE. Solid option)
TE: Luke Stocker(Good blocker)
LT: Eugene Monroe(Elite LT)
LG: Jason Pinkston(Dont know much)
C: Phil Costa(Didn't he suck?)
RG: Shawn Lauvao(Dont know much)
RT: WInston Justice(Good OT)

Offensive Strategy:

Taking Robert Griffin III set the scheme for my offense as he had great success with the read-option, however I only plan to incorporate some aspects of the read-option into a great Pro-style spread/motion based offense. My offense will run using misdirection and by creating mismatches with the defense, thus my goal has been to draft talented weapons that can be used in different ways depending on the way the defense is playing. Both of my WR (Tate and Roberts) have experience running Wildcat/direct snap offense which opens things up for possible End-Arounds, Double End-Arounds, etc. I also took a pair of big, physical TEs to make up for my starting WR's lack of height. At Runningback I took Maurice Jones-Drew who is a strong runner that will only be better next to a real Quarterback and has the pass catching ability to split out wide at times and use his speed and power to out-muscle Cornerbacks and outrun Linebackers. This will be a hurry-up, call plays at the line style offense whose goal is to wear out the opposing defense both physically and mentally.

Defense
DE: Pernell McPhee(Good player but why did you draft him this early?)
NT: Brandon Williams(See above)
DE: Jared Odrick(Not the biggest fan of his)
OLB: Barkevious Mingo(Good player with high bust potential)
MLB: Courtney Upshaw(Better fit as a OLB)
MLB: Luke Kuechly(STUD)
OLB: Ryan Kerrigan(STUD)
CB: Stephon Gilmore(hate you)
CB: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie(Didn't he suck?)
FS: Malcolm Jenkins(Didn't he suck)
SS:

Defensive Strategy:

My defense is built around disrupting the timing of the opposing offense by using press-man corners on the outside and having a disruptive pass-rush up coming from different angles along the front seven. Both Stephon Gilmore and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie are big, press-man cornerbacks who can also make plays on the ball which in turn will allow my pas-rushers (Kerrigan, Mingo, McPhee, Upshaw) time to get pressure on the Quarterback. The majority of my defense is very young and athletic with more room to grow.

I like this teams offensive line. Pretty solid throughout. It looks like he will be using primarily 2 tight end sets and Mjd running the ball. I like that he plans to use more pro sets/spread formation instead of the offense in Washington which is going to get rg3 killed. I still have questions about both of his primary offensive weapons ability to stay healthy so that is an issue

I really like this defense. He has nice pass rushing ability with mingo Kerrigan as well as McPhee on the inside. Now I'm not the biggest fan of upshaw on the Inside. I think he would be better off rotating with mingo and utilizing his run stopping prowess. And pick up a true inside lb. I like his choice of corners to play man coverage actually. Also I believe Jenkins best position to be the third corner instead of safety where he was one of the worst in the league. Now his lack of safeties could be an issue and tough to find two quality ones this late in the draft.

[BallHawker]

Skipping me?

[SecretAgentMan]

Skipping me?

Can you put yours in normal format so it's easier for me to judge.

If I was on a computer this wouldn't be a prob: but I'm on mobile

[GrimCoconut]

Can you put yours in normal format so it's easier for me to judge.

If I was on a computer this wouldn't be a prob: but I'm on mobile

I'll put my team philosophy up soon.