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[SecretAgentMan]

Hey y'all. I'm going to do this based off of the order of the depth charts(that means I'm going first. As with all my in depth analysis, I will do everything in categories
Team Name
Roster(I will list rosters and give player by player analysis)

Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Potential room for Improvement:
Prediction for record:
Breakout Player:
Best Draft Pick:
Worst Draft Pick:
Most questionable draft pick:
Riskiest Draft pick:


And last but not least....
My personal thoughts...

This is before the draft is over. Once the draft is over, I will do a final thread on this.

I'll be starting this tomorrow(for me. It's today for y'all lol. 12:21 when I post this

I'll be doing two teams a day. 16 days of fun(and no Grim. You cannot make another thing about Arthur Brown :P)

THIS IS NOT A POWER RANKING SYSTEM. Just in-depth analysis

[flaccopoe]

I assume your team is a perfect 10, no? :p

[SecretAgentMan]

Nope. I'll post my thoughts on my team first for the WHOLE WORLD to see ;)

[CalvinSmoke]

Sounds like some good reads. Look forward to it.

[SecretAgentMan]

Titus Young's Untaken Meds
QB: Josh Freeman(age 25)Average QB with high ceiling
RB: Demarco Murray(25)Injury prone, but top ten RB when healthy.
WR: AJ Green(25) Second best WR in the NFL
WR: Josh Gordon(23) Very talented WR. Problems with drugs but has top 5 potential
WR: Andrew Hawkins(27) Great Slot WR
TE: Zach Ertz(22) Unproven, but very high ceiling. Great hands and a solid blocker.
LT: Jared Veldheer(26) Great pass protector and solid run blocker.
LG: Logan Mankins(31) All Pro
C: The Overrated Maurkice Pouncey(23) Overrated, but all Pro
RG: Willie Colon(30) Very good all around guard
RT: Mitchell Schwartz(24) Up and coming RT

Average Age 25 years old

Defense
LE: Sylvester Williams(25) Unproven, but REALLY high ceiling.
NT: Dan Williams(26) Elite Run stuffing NT
RE: Chris Canty(30) Veteran leader who is good at everything
LOLB: Chandler Jones(23) Potential superstar pass rusher. Good run defender
MLB: David Harris(29) Good MLB. Bad in coverage
MLB:
ROLB: Anthony Spencer(29) Elite Run Defender and pass rusher
CB: Sam Shields(24). Potential shutdown CB
CB:Alterraun Verner(25) Very solid #2
FS
SS: Quiten Mikell (31) Ranked very highly

Average Age 26 years old.
K
P
LS
KR:Andrew Hawkins
PR:Andrew Hawkins

2014 NFL draft rights to

WR Marquise Lee Will turn teams WR corps into best in the NFL.

Medical Staff=Best in NFL



Will add other stuff later. In a hurry

[gabefergy]

I think your analysis is pretty accurate for your own team. I do think you are a bit high on Josh Gordon, not that I dont like him, but I dont see him as a potential top 5 WR. He is very physically gifted, but we havent seen enough of him to hand out that kind of praise. He is still a very poor route runner with questionable hands. 

 

Zach Ertz is an excellent pass-catching TE, but he is far from a solid blocker. He was one of the worst blocking TEs in the draft and has limitations in that area as well if you factor in his very short arms.

 

Pouncey is overrated, but a good player. All-Pro? He made it one season in a year he graded negatively by PFF. Take that for what it is. 

 

Colon is solid, but struggles to stay on the field.

 

Defense, I agree with all of your comments. Mikell has been a very underrated safety for a while now. More of an in the box safety that stuffs the run and very good at blitzing. 

[SecretAgentMan]

I think your analysis is pretty accurate for your own team. I do think you are a bit high on Josh Gordon, not that I dont like him, but I dont see him as a potential top 5 WR. He is very physically gifted, but we havent seen enough of him to hand out that kind of praise. He is still a very poor route runner with questionable hands.

Zach Ertz is an excellent pass-catching TE, but he is far from a solid blocker. He was one of the worst blocking TEs in the draft and has limitations in that area as well if you factor in his very short arms.

Pouncey is overrated, but a good player. All-Pro? He made it one season in a year he graded negatively by PFF. Take that for what it is.

Colon is solid, but struggles to stay on the field.

Defense, I agree with all of your comments. Mikell has been a very underrated safety for a while now. More of an in the box safety that stuffs the run and very good at blitzing.

I meant to type in top 15. Which in all fairness to him he does have. With that kind of athletic ability with Green taking pressure off of him yes.

Pouncey is overrated, but he's only 23. He's got room to grow more. He's not anywhere close to his prime yet

[SteelersProphet]

your analysis of your team isn't bad but you can tell its your team....you don't have a single player that you don't say good things about

 

also colon is too injury prone to be a successful guard...that's why we got rid of him

[SecretAgentMan]

Strengths: WR Corp. Pass Rush. Run D. Offensive Line. Defensive Line. CBs
Weaknesses: Safety play, and for that reason, the secondary. Need MLB #2
Potential room for Improvement: QB. The two rookies
Prediction for record: 12-4
Breakout Player: Josh Freeman
Best Draft Pick: Demarco Murray(where I got him)
Worst Draft Pick: Maurkice Pouncey
Most questionable draft pick: Zach Ertz
Riskiest Draft pick: Josh Gordon


My Final Thoughts:

My team is a very strong team.. AS A WHOLE.

I understood that I had limitations with Josh Freeman, as he is very inconsistent.

First thing I did is I started building the oline and WR corps. Freeman is statistically the worst QB in the NFL under pressure. So I made it a very high priority to go out there to get elite, or very good pass protectors. That I did.

I've also given Freeman a very good arsenal of weapons.
Green
Gordon
Hawkins
Ertz
Murray

Should cause a lot of problems for opposing teams.

If Freeman breaks out and Murray stays healthy(big if btw), this offensive is an elite offensive unit.

Defensively, the only glaring hole is the lack of MLB #2, and weak safety play.
I won't sleep on safeties anymore, but I have a very strong front 6(so far ;))

My young "Williams wall" is going to eat up blockers really well, While Canty will use his veteran savy to help out in this department as well.

Because
Sly
Dan
Canty
Jones
Harris
Spencer

Are all really good run defenders, I'll have a top ranked run D

Canty
Sly
Jones
Spencer
Harris
Are all really solid pass rushers as well.

Shields and Verner are a good duo, but lack of safety help will hurt me in the long run.

All in all, this is a good example of a "complete team" that will be very difficult to stop, especially if Freeman breaks out.

[SecretAgentMan]

your analysis of your team isn't bad but you can tell its your team....you don't have a single player that you don't say good things about

also colon is too injury prone to be a successful guard...that's why we got rid of him

Oh no.....
I've acknowledged how weak my safety play will be, which is big. I also need a MLB #2. But I've got a tough unit.

[SteelersProphet]

Oh no.....
I've acknowledged how weak my safety play will be, which is big. I also need a MLB #2. But I've got a tough unit.

 

not in your first post....you said that in the post after my post......

 

also your worst draft pick was not Pouncey.....that's ridiculous

[SecretAgentMan]

not in your first post....you said that in the post after my post......

also your worst draft pick was not Pouncey.....that's ridiculous

I'd say it was.
I forgot better centers like Kalil were there. Pouncey has a very high ceiling and all, but is very overrated

[SteelersProphet]

I'd say it was.
I forgot better centers like Kalil were there. Pouncey has a very high ceiling and all, but is very overrated

 

he has made the probowl every year of his career...he is considered by the majority to be one of the best centers in the league

 

there are a few who disagree but they are the minority....but of course ravens fans would latch onto those as gospel

[SteelersProphet]

I'd say it was.
I forgot better centers like Kalil were there. Pouncey has a very high ceiling and all, but is very overrated

 also your worst pick was Green in the first.....theres not enough value in WR's to pick them so high....especially when it is a very deep position.....there were WR's going in the later rounds I would consider top flight

[GrimCoconut]

also your worst pick was Green in the first.....theres not enough value in WR's to pick them so high....especially when it is a very deep position.....there were WR's going in the later rounds I would consider top flight

I'm not sure I can agree with this. Green is a great player and can change the game. I think Andy's success comes from Green. Granted he could've had other WR but there's no other AJ Green. You can get other centers who are as good as Pouncey where he got him. That's why the Pouncey pick is unimpressive to me.

[GrimCoconut]

Also what's with the analysis of your own team? How about others'? Lol

[SteelersProphet]

I'm not sure I can agree with this. Green is a great player and can change the game. I think Andy's success comes from Green. Granted he could've had other WR but there's no other AJ Green. You can get other centers who are as good as Pouncey where he got him. That's why the Pouncey pick is unimpressive to me.

 

one green is great, im not saying he isn't....but WR can not change the game as much as the best player at other positions

 

for example calvin Johnson is the best WR of all time and yet the lions are terrible.....there are tons of great WR's

 

whats the difference between green and andre Johnson who went much later not enough to justify the waste of a first round pick...that could have been anybody

 

also pouncey is a top 5 center....hands down....he got him right when he should have gotten him....now maybe he would have dropped on this board because you guys only believe the negative reviews of steelers but don't acknowledge the good ones

[GrimCoconut]

one green is great, im not saying he isn't....but WR can not change the game as much as the best player at other positions

for example calvin Johnson is the best WR of all time and yet the lions are terrible.....there are tons of great WR's

whats the difference between green and andre Johnson who went much later not enough to justify the waste of a first round pick...that could have been anybody

also pouncey is a top 5 center....hands down....he got him right when he should have gotten him....now maybe he would have dropped on this board because you guys only believe the negative reviews of steelers but don't acknowledge the good ones

Nope. I'm far from biased against the Steelers. I'll admit when they're good. But you have Wisniewski, Kalil, Mangold, Mack, Myers and all five of them are superior to Pouncey. I haven't even thought of other players yet. Pouncey has injury issues and I don't like that durability concern from my center.

There's no Steelers hate at least not generally. I mean two of Pittsburgh CB were drafted pretty early. I'd say that's not hate. Brown was also taken early. Again not hate.

As for WR that depends on what your plan is and whether you think AJ is a rare player or not. If I was him I would've loaded up on as much talent as possible. Take the best players. He can get a QB.

[gabefergy]

he has made the probowl every year of his career...he is considered by the majority to be one of the best centers in the league

there are a few who disagree but they are the minority....but of course ravens fans would latch onto those as gospel

This is exactly why he is overrated. He has had praise heaped on him by most people while his play has not backed it up. He has been average to above average thus far in his career.

[SecretAgentMan]

Nope. I'm far from biased against the Steelers. I'll admit when they're good. But you have Wisniewski, Kalil, Mangold, Mack, Myers and all five of them are superior to Pouncey. I haven't even thought of other players yet. Pouncey has injury issues and I don't like that durability concern from my center.

There's no Steelers hate at least not generally. I mean two of Pittsburgh CB were drafted pretty early. I'd say that's not hate. Brown was also taken early. Again not hate.

As for WR that depends on what your plan is and whether you think AJ is a rare player or not. If I was him I would've loaded up on as much talent as possible. Take the best players. He can get a QB.

Lot of guys better than Pouncey

AJ Green is a STUD.
Hands down the second best WR in the game for me. I knew I had a pick 8 picks later and I could grab a QB then

[SecretAgentMan]

Also what's with the analysis of your own team? How about others'? Lol

Lol. I woke up and went golfing and an sound it in order of depth chart. Another team will come later today

[SteelersProphet]

Nope. I'm far from biased against the Steelers. I'll admit when they're good. But you have Wisniewski, Kalil, Mangold, Mack, Myers and all five of them are superior to Pouncey. I haven't even thought of other players yet. Pouncey has injury issues and I don't like that durability concern from my center.

There's no Steelers hate at least not generally. I mean two of Pittsburgh CB were drafted pretty early. I'd say that's not hate. Brown was also taken early. Again not hate.

As for WR that depends on what your plan is and whether you think AJ is a rare player or not. If I was him I would've loaded up on as much talent as possible. Take the best players. He can get a QB.

im quoting you but this response goes for gabe too.....

 

the only one I would put above him on your list is mack.......I think its funny how his play is average yet the people who get pay to play this game, talk about this game, analyze this game put him above all those guys......and I bet you that you guys max watch him play three times a year.....and that makes you more of an expert than actual experts......now im not saying that you guys don't know football what im saying is that you don't know steelers players as well as you should...and you do have a bias...example.... gradkowski....you guys think he is the next big thing.....even though he is unproven....if I said Mclendon is better than Ngata...you would call me biased because I would be....are those who say Ngata is overrated, sure there are...are they in the minority yes....Pouncey has consistently been rated higher than everyone on your list......but what do the experts know right

[gabefergy]

im quoting you but this response goes for gabe too.....

 

the only one I would put above him on your list is mack.......I think its funny how his play is average yet the people who get pay to play this game, talk about this game, analyze this game put him above all those guys......and I bet you that you guys max watch him play three times a year.....and that makes you more of an expert than actual experts......now im not saying that you guys don't know football what im saying is that you don't know steelers players as well as you should...and you do have a bias...example.... gradkowski....you guys think he is the next big thing.....even though he is unproven....if I said Mclendon is better than Ngata...you would call me biased because I would be....are those who say Ngata is overrated, sure there are...are they in the minority yes....Pouncey has consistently been rated higher than everyone on your list......but what do the experts know right

Experts eh?

 

How about the good folks at PFF who actually watch the film and grade every single play.

 

Pouncey's grades since entering the league in 2010: -2.9, -.2, +5.4. Those numbers are good enough for 21st, 19th, and 12th best centers respectively. So yeah, he is extremely overrated. And it's not just PFF who thinks that.

[SecretAgentMan]

Experts eh?

How about the good folks at PFF who actually watch the film and grade every single play.

Pouncey's grades since entering the league in 2010: -2.9, -.2, +5.4. Those numbers are good enough for 21st, 19th, and 12th best centers respectively. So yeah, he is extremely overrated. And it's not just PFF who thinks that.

I only took him cause I think he's going to get better. But that's about it

[SteelersProphet]

Experts eh?

 

How about the good folks at PFF who actually watch the film and grade every single play.

 

Pouncey's grades since entering the league in 2010: -2.9, -.2, +5.4. Those numbers are good enough for 21st, 19th, and 12th best centers respectively. So yeah, he is extremely overrated. And it's not just PFF who thinks that.

they are in the minority.....im aware of PFF. because that's the one site that gets brought up everytime I talk about this....they don't like him...fine....im at work right now so I don't have time to find it, but the one im thinking of is an article on nfl.com where they rated players by blue chip red chip....Pouncey was rated as a blue chip center......a lot of people think he is great...more than don't....that was even admitted by you when you said most people rate him highly

[SecretAgentMan]

NFL.com?

Sounds legit

[gabefergy]

they are in the minority.....im aware of PFF. because that's the one site that gets brought everytime I talk about this....they don't like him...fine....im at work right now so I don't have time to find it, but the one im thinking of is an article on nfl.com where they rated players by blue chip red chip....Pouncey was rated as a blue chip center......a lot of people think he is great...more than don't....that was even admitted by you when you said most people rate him highly

Once again, people can rate him however they want. His play rates him as average at best. Hence overrated.

[SecretAgentMan]

I was on a lunch break.

Give me a PM if you have any complaints

I'm going back to golf lol

[SteelersProphet]

Once again, people can rate him however they want. His play rates him as average at best. Hence overrated.

you don't know that....that's what PFF says....and you regurgitate it....but how often do you watch the steelers play....im guessing its less than the 16 games a year I watch...more if you count playoffs

[CalvinSmoke]

ok ok we get it, most controversial pick by Sam: Pouncey