Your "In or Out"

[flaccopoe]

 

As you can probably tell by the name I'm a Dolphins fan  :bye:. Just browsing around.The Bills are an underrated squad imo but not better than the Dolphins (of course I think like this). Saying they are the most well-rounded team when they lost their three leading tacklers (two decent players and one developing) on D and their best guard in Andy Levitre this off season  :229031_rofl:. They are bringing in a completely new coaching staff with a an emphasis of playing in a 3-4 which I don't think fits their players. Let's not mention they are torn between Kevin Kolb and rookie EJ Manuel at QB. CJ Spiller and their OL are good no doubt but they won't be able to hang with the Pats with just a good running game.  Just a comparison between the Dolphins and Bills; QB: Dolphins, RB: Bills, WR/TE: Dolphins, OL: Bills, D-Line: Dolphins, LB: Dolphins, CB: Dolphins, S: Dolphins, ST: Dolphins.

 
BUF has a much better K, though. Agree with the rest of your assessment. Daniel Thomas could do some damage if he stays healthy this year.

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[TonyTone1192]

I would say not so fast with the Packers. How good is their defense? Will it be good enough to not get bullied around by the Bears and the Vikings? What about the Lions?

 

I agree their defense is suspect but when you have the best QB in the league and a top 3 pass rusher you can't count them out. 

The Bears have a new HC and I expect them to compete but did they upgrade their O-line? Cutler still takes too many hits & will anyone besides Marshall catch a pass?

The Vikings... ALL RESPECT TO ADRIAN PETERSON, but I don't think he'll have another 2,000 yard season, and Ponder is a question mark. Of all the teams in the NFC north I could see this team giving the Pack a run for their money if Ponder improves on last season.

The Lions are the Lions, similar to the Browns in our division. One out of every 10 seasons they'll make a play-off run and they had their run two seasons ago. Run game is suspect(although I do like the Bush acquisition) and their secondary is poor. 

 

I was just stating my reasoning for picking the Pack to win the division. I don't think there is a clear favorite in any NFC division, should make for an exciting season.

[flaccopoe]

I agree their defense is suspect but when you have the best QB in the league and a top 3 pass rusher you can't count them out. 

The Bears have a new HC and I expect them to compete but did they upgrade their O-line? Cutler still takes too many hits & will anyone besides Marshall catch a pass?

The Vikings... ALL RESPECT TO ADRIAN PETERSON, but I don't think he'll have another 2,000 yard season, and Ponder is a question mark. Of all the teams in the NFC north I could see this team giving the Pack a run for their money if Ponder improves on last season.

The Lions are the Lions, similar to the Browns in our division. One out of every 10 seasons they'll make a play-off run and they had their run two seasons ago. Run game is suspect(although I do like the Bush acquisition) and their secondary is poor. 

 

I was just stating my reasoning for picking the Pack to win the division. I don't think there is a clear favorite in any NFC division, should make for an exciting season.

 

Not to mention MIN lost their main passing threat in Harvin.  Rudolph is woefully inconsistent in comaparison.  I remember there was a 3 week stretch where he had a total of 16 yd.

[easternshore97]

I agree their defense is suspect but when you have the best QB in the league and a top 3 pass rusher you can't count them out. 

The Bears have a new HC and I expect them to compete but did they upgrade their O-line? Cutler still takes too many hits & will anyone besides Marshall catch a pass?

The Vikings... ALL RESPECT TO ADRIAN PETERSON, but I don't think he'll have another 2,000 yard season, and Ponder is a question mark. Of all the teams in the NFC north I could see this team giving the Pack a run for their money if Ponder improves on last season.

The Lions are the Lions, similar to the Browns in our division. One out of every 10 seasons they'll make a play-off run and they had their run two seasons ago. Run game is suspect(although I do like the Bush acquisition) and their secondary is poor. 

 

I was just stating my reasoning for picking the Pack to win the division. I don't think there is a clear favorite in any NFC division, should make for an exciting season.

I think when the best QB in the league is on an ok team, the QB tends to try to do too much.

Alshon Jeffrey will play big for the Bears and a healthy Matt Forte makes all the difference. I'm not a huge Martellus Bennett fan, but he should help out. I also expect that just like nobody knows the Deonte Thompsons and Tandon Dosses and David Reeds on our team, nobody knows who the other people to step up are on that team, but rest assured they will have that addressed.

 

Minnesota doesn't need for "AD" to have 2,000 yards for them to win. I think they will get first round play from all 3 of their first round draft picks and will be better on defense. Detroit made their defensive front 7 better with the addition of Ziggy Ansah. I think he's gonna be an instant star. I'm just oldschool man. I still believe superior defense and a solid run game wins you ball games. I think Green Bay gets Wild Card at best. But in order to be a wild card team, they have to be better than 2 other NFC teams that don't win their division and I don't see that happening for 2 reasons

 

This year

1. NFC East plays AFC West. Right now NFC East is superior to AFC West
2. NFC West plays AFC South. Right now NFC West is superior to AFC South

Both NFC East and West have at least 2 teams capable of earning the 2nd Wild Card...so 4 teams all together since 2 of the 6 will be division winners. Meanwhile, NFC North plays AFC North. That's gonna be a slugfest. If you are an NFC North playoff hopeful, you can't afford to not do better than .500 against AFC North teams, because the other divisions have a perceived advantage in their inter-conference match-ups.

 

If they only go .500 against NFC East, they will likely be chasing a wild-card berth unless they sweep their divisional games. Do you think they will sweep their division? Do you think they will sweep at least 2 teams in their division?

[easternshore97]

Not to mention MIN lost their main passing threat in Harvin.  Rudolph is woefully inconsistent in comaparison.  I remember there was a 3 week stretch where he had a total of 16 yd.

Percy played 9 games last year. I think they will figure something out with Jennings and Patterson.

[flaccopoe]

I think when the best QB in the league is on an ok team, the QB tends to try to do too much.

Alshon Jeffrey will play big for the Bears and a healthy Matt Forte makes all the difference. I'm not a huge Martellus Bennett fan, but he should help out. I also expect that just like nobody knows the Deonte Thompsons and Tandon Dosses and David Reeds on our team, nobody knows who the other people to step up are on that team, but rest assured they will have that addressed.

 

Minnesota doesn't need for "AD" to have 2,000 yards for them to win. I think they will get first round play from all 3 of their first round draft picks and will be better on defense. Detroit made their defensive front 7 better with the addition of Ziggy Ansah. I think he's gonna be an instant star. I'm just oldschool man. I still believe superior defense and a solid run game wins you ball games. I think Green Bay gets Wild Card at best. But in order to be a wild card team, they have to be better than 2 other NFC teams that don't win their division and I don't see that happening for 2 reasons

 

This year

1. NFC East plays AFC West. Right now NFC East is superior to AFC West
2. NFC West plays AFC South. Right now NFC West is superior to AFC South

Both NFC East and West have at least 2 teams capable of earning the 2nd Wild Card...so 4 teams all together since 2 of the 6 will be division winners. Meanwhile, NFC North plays AFC North. That's gonna be a slugfest. If you are an NFC North playoff hopeful, you can't afford to not do better than .500 against AFC North teams, because the other divisions have a perceived advantage in their inter-conference match-ups.

 

If they only go .500 against NFC East, they will likely be chasing a wild-card berth unless they sweep their divisional games. Do you think they will sweep their division? Do you think they will sweep at least 2 teams in their division?

 

Let's not get it twisted.  CHI still has a lot of questions on offense what with Cutler, the receiving game and the O-line.  It doesn't help that Urlacher left their D.  DET always finds ways to sabotage themselves and MIN has no passing game and a mediocre D.  It's GB's division to lose.

[easternshore97]

Let's not get it twisted.  CHI still has a lot of questions on offense what with Cutler, the receiving game and the O-line.  It doesn't help that Urlacher left their D.  DET always finds ways to sabotage themselves and MIN has no passing game and a mediocre D.  It's GB's division to lose.

Re: CHI - sure. But they always have questions on offense. ALWAYS. And they still found a way to challenge. Perhaps that was because of Coach Smith, perhaps it was their defense that made it possible. I mean, they made it all the way to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as their QB (beating the mighty Drew Brees along the way) Pretty sure that Urlacher leaving does hurt in some ways, but that's like saying the Ravens are doomed because Ray Lewis left. They are all professionals and I think they will manage

 

Re: DET - sure. I concur. I'm starting to think that Schwartz could be a part of the problem. They still have a serious defensive line that gets after it.

 

Re: GB - my last memory of them is giving up 45 points to the 49ers on 579 total yards. I suppose if they average only giving up 500 yards or 450 yards or 400 they should win their division....?

[flaccopoe]

 

Re: GB - my last memory of them is giving up 45 points to the 49ers on 579 total yards. I suppose if they average only giving up 500 yards or 450 yards or 400 they should win their division....?

 

Luckily for GB, they play in a mediocre offensive division.

[easternshore97]

Luckily for GB, they play in a mediocre offensive division.

Unproven offensive division...but a very valid point. In fairness, Lions were ranked 3rd in offense. But it's a new year, and unluckily for them, I think its a plausible scenario that everyone else's defense could very well be better than theirs

 

I think MIN will do a lot better than you think with the additions of Jennings and Patterson, a very legitimate 1 and 2 combo

[flaccopoe]

I think MIN will do a lot better than you think with the additions of Jennings and Patterson, a very legitimate 1 and 2 combo

 

I'm more woried about Ponder and the O-line.

[Cville-Raven]

KC chiefs.........will not make the playoffs

[Cville-Raven]

Seatte is ranked way too high.  DAL probably won't get in at all.  IND struggled to get a WC with a very weak schedule.  PIT is NOT winning the AFC North. :ravensquote:

IND was the definition of overachieving. I think they'll be in the bottom 5 defensively. 

[flaccopoe]

IND was the definition of overachieving. I think they'll be in the bottom 5 defensively. 

 

Definitely defensively.  We'll have to wait and see whether their fledgling offense can bail them out, a la the Packers or Patriots.

[Cville-Raven]

Definitely defensively.  We'll have to wait and see whether their fledgling offense can bail them out, a la the Packers or Patriots.

I think the Redskins will regress as well. That secondary simply does not impress me. 

[flaccopoe]

I think the Redskins will regress as well. That secondary simply does not impress me. 

 

Not to mention RG3 won't be able to scamper around like he used to.

[FinFan]

 
 
BUF has a much better K, though. Agree with the rest of your assessment. Daniel Thomas could do some damage if he stays healthy this year.

I don't know about that. Dan Carpenter had a bit of a down year in 2012, missing four FG's (two game determining). This kind of ruined his rep imo. Prior to last season he was regarded as one of the best kickers in the NFL. Lindell is solid but is almost a decade older than Carp plus he doesn't attempt as many kicks . The Dolphins and Bills are in the same situation as both of their kickers are fighting off rookies for their spot. P easily goes to Miami along with PR/KR. 

[FinFan]

KC chiefs.........will not make the playoffs

I don't get they hype honestly. 

[flaccopoe]

I don't know about that. Dan Carpenter had a bit of a down year in 2012, missing four FG's (two game determining). This kind of ruined his rep imo. Prior to last season he was regarded as one of the best kickers in the NFL. Lindell is solid but is almost a decade older than Carp plus he doesn't attempt as many kicks . The Dolphins and Bills are in the same situation as both of their kickers are fighting off rookies for their spot. P easily goes to Miami along with PR/KR. 

 

Id Daniel Thomas the kick returner this year?

[TonyTone1192]

I think when the best QB in the league is on an ok team, the QB tends to try to do too much.

Alshon Jeffrey will play big for the Bears and a healthy Matt Forte makes all the difference. I'm not a huge Martellus Bennett fan, but he should help out. I also expect that just like nobody knows the Deonte Thompsons and Tandon Dosses and David Reeds on our team, nobody knows who the other people to step up are on that team, but rest assured they will have that addressed.

 

Minnesota doesn't need for "AD" to have 2,000 yards for them to win. I think they will get first round play from all 3 of their first round draft picks and will be better on defense. Detroit made their defensive front 7 better with the addition of Ziggy Ansah. I think he's gonna be an instant star. I'm just oldschool man. I still believe superior defense and a solid run game wins you ball games. I think Green Bay gets Wild Card at best. But in order to be a wild card team, they have to be better than 2 other NFC teams that don't win their division and I don't see that happening for 2 reasons

 

This year

1. NFC East plays AFC West. Right now NFC East is superior to AFC West
2. NFC West plays AFC South. Right now NFC West is superior to AFC South

Both NFC East and West have at least 2 teams capable of earning the 2nd Wild Card...so 4 teams all together since 2 of the 6 will be division winners. Meanwhile, NFC North plays AFC North. That's gonna be a slugfest. If you are an NFC North playoff hopeful, you can't afford to not do better than .500 against AFC North teams, because the other divisions have a perceived advantage in their inter-conference match-ups.

 

If they only go .500 against NFC East, they will likely be chasing a wild-card berth unless they sweep their divisional games. Do you think they will sweep their division? Do you think they will sweep at least 2 teams in their division?

 

Lol since when was a 15-1(2011 season) & 11-5(2012 season) team just "okay"? The reason that they had a four game drop off from last season was due to their inconsistencies @ running back which they've addressed in the draft and an injury plagued defense(which is okay). Hey, Kaepernick made MANY defenses look bad including the Bears who had arguable the best defense last season. It's not like the Pack were the ONLY team that made Kaepernick the 81st best player last season.

 

Like I said before I'm not saying that they're the clear favorites to win the north, but, when they've won it the past several years and still have the same key pieces... it's hard to go against them, especially this early in the year.

Similar to other NFL fans writing us off after losing 7 starters from our SB team (How can Joe do it w/o Anquan Boldin? The Defense has lost the leadership of Lewis and Reed they're rebuilding)

We're still the champs, we still have key pieces, and we've been in the post season EVERY YEAR W/ Harbaugh, Flacco & Rice. Little things that get overlooked, I believe you're doing the same w/ Green Bay.

[easternshore97]

Lol since when was a 15-1(2011 season) & 11-5(2012 season) team just "okay"? The reason that they had a four game drop off from last season was due to their inconsistencies @ running back which they've addressed in the draft and an injury plagued defense(which is okay). Hey, Kaepernick made MANY defenses look bad including the Bears who had arguable the best defense last season. It's not like the Pack were the ONLY team that made Kaepernick the 81st best player last season.

 

Like I said before I'm not saying that they're the clear favorites to win the north, but, when they've won it the past several years and still have the same key pieces... it's hard to go against them, especially this early in the year.

Similar to other NFL fans writing us off after losing 7 starters from our SB team (How can Joe do it w/o Anquan Boldin? The Defense has lost the leadership of Lewis and Reed they're rebuilding)

We're still the champs, we still have key pieces, and we've been in the post season EVERY YEAR W/ Harbaugh, Flacco & Rice. Little things that get overlooked, I believe you're doing the same w/ Green Bay.

Didn't say anything about 15-1. What I said was, I'm old skool and I think defense still gets it done. Given that the Vikes improved their defense and offense, and given that I think the Bears made some slight improvements, and given that both were 10-6 and a game out of 1st last year, I wouldn't be surprised if they won the North. It's not like the Pack ran away with it last year when everyone else in their division was so mediocre and so anemic on offense.

 

You can't compare the Ravens to the Pack if everyone is counting the Ravens out. That's actually similar to what I'm arguing. People saying Harvin is gone and now MIN is doomed. Urlacher is gone and now their defense is doomed...

[ravensdan]

The packers have made wise decisions this offseason. They have focused on improving their run game and defense. By default they will be better after suffering so many injuries.
The Vikings can't challenge defenses in the passing game enough. That is a fatal flaw in this day and age. I think Peterson will come slightly back to earth as well. Obviously duplicating that type of near record breaking season is a tall order. They will feel the loss of Winfield as well.
The bears are the greatest threat to the pack vi am curious to see however if this line can work well together and become a good improvement or not.
The lions are just bad. They didn't do anything to be a major improvement. Stafford is by far the most overrated qb in the nfl. They are like the browns, hopeless.

[Gordo52]

It's so hard to get on board with the Cardinals because of their division, but man do I really like them this year.

[RavensAllTheWay]

The packers have made wise decisions this offseason. They have focused on improving their run game and defense. By default they will be better after suffering so many injuries.
The Vikings can't challenge defenses in the passing game enough. That is a fatal flaw in this day and age. I think Peterson will come slightly back to earth as well. Obviously duplicating that type of near record breaking season is a tall order. They will feel the loss of Winfield as well.
The bears are the greatest threat to the pack vi am curious to see however if this line can work well together and become a good improvement or not.
The lions are just bad. They didn't do anything to be a major improvement. Stafford is by far the most overrated qb in the nfl. They are like the browns, hopeless.

 

I'm in the minority, but I think CHI is looking like last in the division this year.

 

MIN has improved their outside weapons, so the passing game should improve, although not that much I agree.  Peterson likely won't break 2K yards this year, but with Jennings on the outside or in the slot and Patterson having the chance to emerge, defenses might have to take one guy out of the box.

 

DET lost so many close games last year.  In all seriousness, they had to be the best 4-12 team ever, lol.  I doubt they lose that many nail biters two years in a row, and with Fairley emerging next to Suh along with adding Ansah, that D line looks legit. Their defense is improved, and they drafted Darius Slay to help out the secondary.  I can also see Reggie Bush making an impression in that passing game.  Again, I may be in the minority, but I think we see more of the 2011 Lions than the 2012 Lions.

 

CHI to me is drastically overrated by the media.  They improved their O line some, but they didn't give Cutler any new legit weapons.  I am NOT an Alshon Jeffery fan.  I don't think he's a legit number 2, neither is Earl Bennett.  Martellus Bennett to me is overrated at TE, and even with Trestman increasing Fortes role in the passing game supposedly, their weaponery really hasn't improved enough in my eyes.  Cutler may put up slightly better numbers in this contract year of his, but it won't be enough imo.  That defense also lost it's leader, and guys like Tillman/Jennings/Peppers are a year older.

[gabefergy]

It's so hard to get on board with the Cardinals because of their division, but man do I really like them this year.

I agree. Their OL should be much better and they have depth at RB. If Carson Palmer can be decent they should be much improved. I'm not sure how many wins that translates into though. Could be anywhere from 5-10 wins

[JO_75]

I agree. Their OL should be much better and they have depth at RB. If Carson Palmer can be decent they should be much improved. I'm not sure how many wins that translates into though. Could be anywhere from 5-10 wins

 

I have heard some say that this could be the second coming of Kurt Warner and Palmer revives his career in Arizona.

[gabefergy]

I have heard some say that this could be the second coming of Kurt Warner and Palmer revives his career in Arizona.

That would be a best case scenario. Palmer isnt nearly the QB Warner was, but Arizona does have a better defense this time around. It's such a brutal division though. It's going to be tough for any of those teams to win more than 11 games. I could see 3 teams winning 10.

[Gordo52]

I have heard some say that this could be the second coming of Kurt Warner and Palmer revives his career in Arizona.

I wouldn't go that far. A 2005-06 version of Palmer would be very good - also a stretch to expect that though, but that's the Palmer I remember. I think they're definitely a team that could surprise this year. He's got plenty of weapons and what looks like a solid D and ST. IF the O-line improves, and Winston plays good, they could be in the running for the 2nd WC IMO. They have to atleast split division games though which will be tough.

Johnathan Cooper might be my favorite non Raven rookie this year. I think he's a huge addition for them.

[flaccopoe]

I think it should be worth noting that DET has a very chaotic history with RBs.  I wouldn't be surprised if Bush takes a big performance dip this season, under Schwartz.

[easternshore97]

I think it should be worth noting that DET has a very chaotic history with RBs.  I wouldn't be surprised if Bush takes a big performance dip this season, under Schwartz.

Karma. That's what happens when you screw over the greatest RB in league history. You get snake bitten