Gotta-Love-Torrey

[K-Dog]

about the ray thing.......what do you expect

this board had a field day with big ben's legal troubles.....and he wasn't even charged

Truth is, it likely had less to do with Ben than who he played for.

[SteelersProphet]

The continual reports of this behavior make it harder to believe he was innocent . I don't think many things are worse then murder but if it's between dieing and killing someone, I'd gladly save my life. In no circumstance can rape be justified.

the first time the woman was actually crazy....shortly after this happened people who worked with her came out with reports that she had an imaginary son....and spent time in an institution...and had a history of making things like this up

 

the second time it was a case of buyers remorse........ben was drinking in a bar and this girl used a fake ID to get in the bar for the sole purpose of having sex with ben(this was told to the police by her best friend) then proceeded to get wasted with ben and his friends......they later had sex in the bar bathroom while his body guards blocked the door....afterwards ben dismissed her...she did not like this and she was drunk at this point so she made a fuss.....but if you look up the police interview with her right after(which got leaked online) its pretty clear she doesn't have her story straight.....and the police told the DA that her testimony would not hold up on the stand so no charges were filed......but no one wants to learn all those facts and just wants to believe the worst.....just like ray....both guys did not admirable things that got them in trouble for things they didn't do....

[BMORElegacy]

Phin fans will be  just as bad as Broncos & SF Fans.    
 
Dolphins w/ winning record = Mindless bandwagon fans comming out of woodshed

All you have to do is look at the instant following the Heat got when they 'got good.' It was pathetic that those fans left during the 4th quarter of game 6.

[Ravenseconbeast]

All you have to do is look at the instant following the Heat got when they 'got good.' It was pathetic that those fans left during the 4th quarter of game 6.

 

yup.  that was a really pathethic scene.   i was really rooting for the spurs too

[Purple Punishment]

This is so funny that people are no longer afraid of the Patsies aura anymore. They are getting their dues right back in their faces, and boy am I glad to see it. Both of my boys, Torrey and Richard Sherman, made fools of the Patsies. And before everyone starts harping on how we have to back it up on the field, we already did last year in the Championship game.

 

And in the regular season when Torrey annihilated them! He did it on no sleep and after losing his brother to a tragic accident. Torrey owns the Pats IMO

[SecretAgentMan]

And in the regular season when Torrey annihilated them! He did it on no sleep and after losing his brother to a tragic accident. Torrey owns the Pats IMO

Torrey Smith is a beast. If he becomes that. #1 WR we all think he can become he will be a pernerial pro bowler easy.

[ravensdan]

I believe we've nearly cornered the market on feeling persecuted by sports media and the refs.

That said, why are we cheering Torrey on for this? Maybe it's just me, but insulting fanbases is something I expect from rookies, not emerging leaders.

Finally a comment with some sense behind it. Very immature move for torrey. The opposite of what a "leader" should be doing. He's not in grade school or even coollege anymore. There is never a reason for this type of comment from a "professional". Leave this stuff for the fans---who should be expected to be fanatics, there is no one fan base that's greater or worse than another, there are always extremes in every group which should be ignored, not commented on.

[The Raven]

Ok, who cares? You know it's the off-season...

[display name]

Oh my! Is he okay? He didn't die did he?

Lol. I couldn't resist. I do agree with what you said but I must admit I wish athletes would do less tweeting.

He's fine. Thanks for your concern.

[bMore Heathen]

Pats fans are pretty ignorant with their comments, but I'm surprised nobody brought up Skins fans. They are definitely the worst by far at least amongst my group of friends. There really is at least a little respect between steeler fans (except for up in Deep Creek) but Skins fans really get under my skin!!!

[jaege]

Finally a comment with some sense behind it. Very immature move for torrey. The opposite of what a "leader" should be doing. He's not in grade school or even coollege anymore. There is never a reason for this type of comment from a "professional". Leave this stuff for the fans---who should be expected to be fanatics, there is no one fan base that's greater or worse than another, there are always extremes in every group which should be ignored, not commented on.

Immature? He stated an opinion, on a public forum based upon personal observation. After a Pats fan makes rude and cruel jokes about his recently deceased brother, (solely because her favored team was beaten in a game. A GAME>) very understandable that he has some hurt feelings and maybe carries a grudge. What does being professional have to do with anything? Or mature for that matter? How is it unprofessional or immature to state an opinion. And one held by a large number of people, as regards the Patriots fans nasty nature.

[Sami84]

Im not a supporter of what torrey said. It's pointless. Offers nothing, and is an act of immaturity. Anyone who says otherwise should truly look at how they see the world.

[Tiz]

Im not a supporter of what torrey said. It's pointless. Offers nothing, and is an act of immaturity. Anyone who says otherwise should truly look at how they see the world.

Any one who makes a judgement on it should really ask "what promoted this..."
Immaturity is making a judgment without gathering facts. Immaturity isn't stating an opinion based on experience...

In looking into it it appears some were antagonizing him about his brother which prompted the tweet.
He didnt call the fans out their names and he didnt make a rush judgement.
Most important to me. He didnt down play it or apologize for it, instead he did what very few supposed men do. He owned up for what he said.

[Sami84]

You know what they say. Those who truly know, remain silent. Nothing to gain. To be the stronger more truthful person, live and let be.

 

thats how i see it. We are all attacked at some point. We as people need to understand that the only victims are in truth the people who are doing the attacking.

 

torrey reacted rather then responded to life. He means well, i know, but he should really do some self observation and not personalize it. All he really did in this case is fight fire with napalm.

 

No one is ''truthfully'' your enemy. The best way to respond to attacks is kindness. I know this is Zen, and not prevalent in NFL society ( outside ricky williams and such) but i feel at times people miss the point.

[Clutch Ravens]

The best part is that it clearly wasn't just him losing his temper and spouting crap. He genuinely has a dislike for the Patriots fan base, which I totally understand.

 

I also understand that every fan base has the bad, ignorant, crappy section of the fan base, but New England's is bigger and more prominent. 

 

I love that Torrey, the day after, came out and said he wasn't apologizing. He meant every word of it. He doesn't like them and he isn't sorry for it. He doesn't like their fan base (the scumbag part of it) and neither do I.

[Tiz]

You know what they say. Those who truly know, remain silent. Nothing to gain. To be the stronger more truthful person, live and let be.

thats how i see it. We are all attacked at some point. We as people need to understand that the only victims are in truth the people who are doing the attacking.

torrey reacted rather then responded to life. He means well, i know, but he should really do some self observation and not personalize it. All he really did in this case is fight fire with napalm.

No one is ''truthfully'' your enemy. The best way to respond to attacks is kindness. I know this is Zen, and not prevalent in NFL society ( outside ricky williams and such) but i feel at times people miss the point.

Interesting when one looks at your second sentence they learn why you've expressed your opinion on the matter...

Always been fond of the do as I say not as I do approach.

[Sami84]

I not emotionaly attached to my opinion. Its essence rather then perception. Just for people out there to understand a bit more clearly.

 

Anyhow, the only thing we are guilty of is believing our thoughts to be true. Lets just focus on positives rather then endorsing negative comments from anyone, be it torrey smith or patriot fans.

[jaege]

You know what they say. Those who truly know, remain silent. Nothing to gain. To be the stronger more truthful person, live and let be.

And who, exactly are "they" that say this? Folks that are too afraid to stand up for themselves and cower in the corner? I believe "they" also say that evil can only persist if good men stand by and remain silent.

thats how i see it. We are all attacked at some point. We as people need to understand that the only victims are in truth the people who are doing the attacking.

Spoken like someone who has never known an actual victim. I respect that you have an opinion, although I do not respect the opinion itself. Ask the woman who got raped, or the family who lost a child to a murderer who the victim was. I doubt that they will feel the "attackers" pain.

torrey reacted rather then responded to life. He means well, i know, but he should really do some self observation and not personalize it. All he really did in this case is fight fire with napalm.

Maybe he felt that he was personally attacked. The woman in question was "attacked" by her favored team losing a game. He was attacked by a taunting of his recently deceased brother. Hmmm. Certainly Torrey didn't make a personal attack on her. He just did his job.

No one is ''truthfully'' your enemy. The best way to respond to attacks is kindness. I know this is Zen, and not prevalent in NFL society ( outside ricky williams and such) but i feel at times people miss the point.

I will agree that I do not have any enemy's, per se. Although, kindness is a poor weapon, even outside NFL society. There will ALWAYS be aggressors. It is human nature. If the (real) victims just roll over and give in, then eventually the only people left will be those aggressors. Anyone who believes otherwise lives in a fantasy. A nice place to live I am sure, but one defended by people who do not have the luxury of living there.

[Sami84]

no need to role over as you say. But at the same time no one is pointing a gun to your head. Avoiding confrontation isnt a sign of weakness. It shows that you are naturally a forgiving person and see beyond what you can control with forceful words.Force only applies to ego. Power is intangible and effortless. I so often see the two words used in the wrong context. You become aware that the best way to help someone, is to radiate a positive energy. You will find that be it short term or long term, the effects are positive. Saying [profanity deleted] you man for saying that man, is just no way to relieve a situation. It's ego which cannot resist taking a swipe at people. It's in truth a lot harder to forgive then it is to hold negative thoughts about people. We live in a world where people have never really felt the need to question life as it suits them. People become conceptually driven and love drama.

 

Remember that in every attack you call upon your own weakness, while each time you forgive you call upon the strength. When you say something about someone you are not defining them, you are defining yourself.

 

I THOUGHT i had been attacked a lot in my life.I realized that trivial aspect of humanity is due to conditional happiness. Hence by delve into zen. If it were not a subjective experience but merely borrowed ideologies from the realms of objectivty ( which is a big issue in the world today) i wouldnt have shared this in good confidence. I respect your opinions on the matter.

 

a good book to read is ''I AM that''. Ricky Williams and even to a small extent troy Polamolou are one of the few nfl players with an understanding of the human ego.

[GrimCoconut]

Im not a supporter of what torrey said. It's pointless. Offers nothing, and is an act of immaturity. Anyone who says otherwise should truly look at how they see the world.

I don't agree with what you wrote in bold, but to an extent I agree with you. Torrey Smith might hate Patriots fans. He might think they're the scum of the earth and not fit to carry his jock. That doesn't mean he should go around and say that. If I went around and said what I felt all the time, I know I would have some problems.

 

The issue here is that Smith just didn't need to say it. Period. It's different if he's at the nightclub and he tells someone on the side "I hate the Pats fans!" or something stupid or embarrassing like that. It's different if he tells a guy in the locker room he hates them. I even find Terrell Suggs' comments taunting the Patriots' fans a not as bad. Suggs had a reason---it was at the game. Passion & tensions were high. I got it. This just seems stupid. 

 

I haven't lost respect for Torrey or anything. I could care less. I do think his comments were a bit stupid. He should have kept those to himself. A larger reason is our community service. What if little Jimmy McSmith living in East Baltimore is a Patriots fan because he came here from NE or he's a bandwagoner who plays Madden and uses the Patriots a lot because they're winners and he doesn't know better? So he's automatically what Smith says he is? Smith is supposed to be a role model.

 

I guarantee you if Joe Flacco said something like that he would be roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey. 

 

Don't get me wrong. I liked Torrey's comments from a fan perspective because I don't like a lot of Patriots fans, but for an athlete to make the comment I just find it beneath him to be honest.

[raybaby]

If you spend any significant time around the mb for any team you will see that.
Our fanbase isn't the only ones that feel disrespected by the media or panic if the score is 3-0 early in the game.

 

This. Anyone who thinks that Ravens fans are some special case with this don't check outside of our fanbase.

[raybaby]

I don't agree with what you wrote in bold, but to an extent I agree with you. Torrey Smith might hate Patriots fans. He might think they're the scum of the earth and not fit to carry his jock. That doesn't mean he should go around and say that. If I went around and said what I felt all the time, I know I would have some problems.

 

The issue here is that Smith just didn't need to say it. Period. It's different if he's at the nightclub and he tells someone on the side "I hate the Pats fans!" or something stupid or embarrassing like that. It's different if he tells a guy in the locker room he hates them. I even find Terrell Suggs' comments taunting the Patriots' fans a not as bad. Suggs had a reason---it was at the game. Passion & tensions were high. I got it. This just seems stupid. 

 

I haven't lost respect for Torrey or anything. I could care less. I do think his comments were a bit stupid. He should have kept those to himself. A larger reason is our community service. What if little Jimmy McSmith living in East Baltimore is a Patriots fan because he came here from NE or he's a bandwagoner who plays Madden and uses the Patriots a lot because they're winners and he doesn't know better? So he's automatically what Smith says he is? Smith is supposed to be a role model.

 

I guarantee you if Joe Flacco said something like that he would be roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey. 

 

Don't get me wrong. I liked Torrey's comments from a fan perspective because I don't like a lot of Patriots fans, but for an athlete to make the comment I just find it beneath him to be honest.

 

Sizzle actually made comments to Patriots fans on twitter as well. I don't see what the big deal is? Torrey said how he felt and left it at that. He knew the backlash he was going to get from their fanbase and choose to do it. So New England fans don't like Torrey? Other than that nothing will come from this. If he is comfortable with that than I don't see why it's considered a mistake from people who it doesn't effect. The community service aspect is reaching.. he didn't say all Patriots fans are this way so no 'little Jimmy' isn't automatically anything.. I'm sure if Torrey runs into respectful Patriots fans he'll treat them with the same respect.

[Passepartout]

Pats fans you know how they are. As they love to bash anybody that is against them. Torrey or not!

[IH EART DA RAVENS]

I wish Joe would randomly tweet something like this out of nowhere. Lmao

I would be so happy. Throw in a picture of him with a trollface and it'd be perfect.

[ravensdan]

Sizzle actually made comments to Patriots fans on twitter as well. I don't see what the big deal is? Torrey said how he felt and left it at that. He knew the backlash he was going to get from their fanbase and choose to do it. So New England fans don't like Torrey? Other than that nothing will come from this. If he is comfortable with that than I don't see why it's considered a mistake from people who it doesn't effect. The community service aspect is reaching.. he didn't say all Patriots fans are this way so no 'little Jimmy' isn't automatically anything.. I'm sure if Torrey runs into respectful Patriots fans he'll treat them with the same respect.

Sizzle has been known to make many unprofessional knuckleheaded comments over the years. Us any of this the end if the world? Certainly not but it certainly shouldn't be applauded or looked up to. Weather he admits it or not it is a mistake for him as a professional to involve himself in comments about fans.

[SteelersProphet]

And who, exactly are "they" that say this? Folks that are too afraid to stand up for themselves and cower in the corner? I believe "they" also say that evil can only persist if good men stand by and remain silent.


Spoken like someone who has never known an actual victim. I respect that you have an opinion, although I do not respect the opinion itself. Ask the woman who got raped, or the family who lost a child to a murderer who the victim was. I doubt that they will feel the "attackers" pain.


Maybe he felt that he was personally attacked. The woman in question was "attacked" by her favored team losing a game. He was attacked by a taunting of his recently deceased brother. Hmmm. Certainly Torrey didn't make a personal attack on her. He just did his job.


I will agree that I do not have any enemy's, per se. Although, kindness is a poor weapon, even outside NFL society. There will ALWAYS be aggressors. It is human nature. If the (real) victims just roll over and give in, then eventually the only people left will be those aggressors. Anyone who believes otherwise lives in a fantasy. A nice place to live I am sure, but one defended by people who do not have the luxury of living there.

 

all your examples of these horrible things(rape,murder)are way off base here.........all sami is trying to say is aggression for aggression's sake is wrong...and thats what torrey did...he didn't save a women from being raped...he lost his temper and sunk to that womans level......MLK and Gandhi would argue that aggression is not the answer even in the face of injustice.....that position is much harder than the approach Malcolm X took.......an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

[GrimCoconut]

Sizzle has been known to make many unprofessional knuckleheaded comments over the years. Us any of this the end if the world? Certainly not but it certainly shouldn't be applauded or looked up to. Weather he admits it or not it is a mistake for him as a professional to involve himself in comments about fans.

True and I forgive Suggs. That's just who he is. It's his screen persona. I'd be surprised if he's not doing those things lol. Torrey seems like a really respectful man. That's why I'm more upset with Torrey than Suggs.

To make an analogy that I think will be well understood around here: Suggs is Batman and Torrey is Harvey Dent.

[ghost1986]

lol get em, Torrey. Hate to say it, but this is what they get for being so rude to him during his moment of grieving. Saw a woman with a Brady jersey at the gas station here in Glen Burnie. Just shook my head and smiled.

 

EDIT: I love the one poster who said "Who are you again?" Um just the guy from the team who won the Super Bowl while you were on your couch watching. He has the right to say what he wants. And they definitely do think they're better than everyone else. Did everyone here forget how they welcomed Ray to the city for the AFC Championship rematch. By the way, Torrey's also the one who put like two or three touchdowns against them in one game.

[codizzle]

lol get em, Torrey. Hate to say it, but this is what they get for being so rude to him during his moment of grieving. Saw a woman with a Brady jersey at the gas station here in Glen Burnie. Just shook my head and smiled.

EDIT: I love the one poster who said "Who are you again?" Um just the guy from the team who won the Super Bowl while you were on your couch watching. He has the right to say what he wants. And they definitely do think they're better than everyone else. Did everyone here forget how they welcomed Ray to the city for the AFC Championship rematch. By the way, Torrey's also the one who put like two or three touchdowns against them in one game.

Oh yea

[MTRavensFan]

"Don't allow people with no purpose to distract you away from yours. You will get it wrong at times so expect to be judged, except to be doubted, expect to be talked about; but understand your mission is greater than your mistakes. Promise yourself to be so strong nothing can disturb your peace of mind."  - Sizzle, the Zen Master

 

Gotta-Love-Chanel for reminding Torrey he's better than this, and putting a stop to it.

Still, can't blame the guy for responding publicly to hurtful and inappropriate personal attacks, and he's right to not apologize.