Joe Flacco called overrated on NFL.com

[Cville-Raven]

I think you got what you wanted out of what i said, (so yeah) it makes sense to you.

Well, it actually makes complete sense to everyone

[Alexir]

Well he will have his opportunity this season to show these analysts that it wasn't just 4 games but that he can excel in a regular season too.

 

I've always thought Tom Brady was overrated. He is the definition of a system QB

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Im not saying ben doesn't get hurt a lot...he does, what im saying is that it has not affected his play the following season.....he always starts out great and then due to being the most physical QB in the game gets injured....but he is still in his prime and plays like it when healthy

and if you guys think ben is great then your not the ravens fans im talking about....but you have to admit that for years ben has faced these same arguments against him from everyone especially ravens fans

Just throwing this out there but I think Cam is the most physical QB based on how much he runs the ball right through defenders.

[SteelersProphet]

Just throwing this out there but I think Cam is the most physical QB based on how much he runs the ball right through defenders.

Cam runs through defenders but he doesn't throw deep balls with two guys hanging on him......remember that time suggs tried to sack him and grabbed his facemask as well(no flag BTW), but ben wrestled away from him got out of the pocket and threw the ball away....he is a QB who can out muscle LB's....ive never seen cam do that

[Tiz]

He put up 11 of those this year.  What were his numbers before that?

Well if he put up 11 this year and the total for he last 8 games is 15
You tell me the total.

And again Brady, Brees, rodgers and manning all were givin an 8 game spread and for all it involves 3 separate playoff appearances..

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Cam runs through defenders but he doesn't throw deep balls with two guys hanging on him......remember that time suggs tried to sack him and grabbed his facemask as well(no flag BTW), but ben wrestled away from him got out of the pocket and threw the ball away....he is a QB who can out muscle LB's....ive never seen cam do that

I would say that's because Cam can run away from them and Ben can't.. He's not exactly fleet of foot lol. I do like both of their playing styles though, very fun to watch.

[SteelersProphet]

I would say that's because Cam can run away from them and Ben can't.. He's not exactly fleet of foot lol. I do like both of their playing styles though, very fun to watch.

I agree that they are the top two Physical QB's......ben isn't quick but that's not the question...its who is more physical and the one that stands his ground and says "your not strong enough to sack me fella" gets my vote lol

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I agree that they are the top two Physical QB's......ben isn't quick but that's not the question...its who is more physical and the one that stands his ground and says "your not strong enough to sack me fella" gets my vote lol

I guess we just have different definitions of physical. At least we can agree that it isn't Blaine Gabbert.

[SteelersProphet]

I guess we just have different definitions of physical. At least we can agree that it isn't Blaine Gabbert.

IDK now that you mention it I think it might be Blaine Gabbert.....that's one Tough SOB

 

lol im joking

[JohnJohnson]

Interesting...the two players with the most votes are Roethlisberger and Flacco.

[mg90]

If everyone is calling him overrated is he really overrated?

[Guest RBates]

Well if he put up 11 this year and the total for he last 8 games is 15
You tell me the total.

And again Brady, Brees, rodgers and manning all were givin an 8 game spread and for all it involves 3 separate playoff appearances..

so am i to assume, without saying it, that his numbers were bad? If this is true, would he be considered overrated?

[WaldoPepper]

Never mind all that. What about this column on Marshal Yanda having his high school jersey number retired?

 

http://thegazette.com/2013/06/23/anamosa-honors-marshal-yanda-and-vice-versa/

[beanfigger]

so am i to assume, without saying it, that his numbers were bad? If this is true, would he be considered overrated?

 

I don't think 4 TDs and 2 INTs, with a rating over 95 in 3 out of 4 games, in the two previous postseasons are that bad.  Also, since he was laughed off the stage for having the audacity to call himself a top tier QB after those two postseasons, it would be hard to make a case for him being overrated there.

[Tiz]

so am i to assume, without saying it, that his numbers were bad? If this is true, would he be considered overrated?

You can assume whatever you wish just as you can simply ignore the rest of the post that mentioned in 7 of 8 games he had a qb rating of over 95.

So again if you want to assume the rest of his games were bad im guessing you're willing to admit that all of the previous 8 playoff games for manning and Brady were bad.

[Tiz]

I don't think 4 TDs and 2 INTs, with a rating over 95 in 3 out of 4 games, in the two previous postseasons are that bad.  Also, since he was laughed off the stage for having the audacity to call himself a top tier QB after those two postseasons, it would be hard to make a case for him being overrated there.

Another fun thing to lok at is that playoff career qb rating is similar to Peyton and Brady.
Its 86, 87, 88

Brady is just under 2:1 td:int on his career in the playoffs
Peyton 1.5:1
Flacco 2.5:1

The reason this stands out to me is that we all know flacco was rather pedestrian his first two seasons in the playoffs
So for as bad as he was then he has defiantly improved since then. Best part. Each season was better than the previous.

So not only is he able to handle what the others are doing he is getting better year to year.

[justifythegame]

I swore myself off the whole Flacco debate. The guy brought a Super Bowl Trophy here and he put the team on his back to do so, nuff said.

 

However I have to ask because I'm a bit confused at the amount of people who use this same logic that seems flawed to me. If QBs don't win SBs TEAMS win SB, why is it even important to list all the QBs who had better stats but didn't win a SB? He tied a NFL record for most TDs thrown without a INT in a playoff run, yet he's only part of the team? I can take that. But what does it matter that Peyton Manning threw more yards and TDs in the regular season when he couldn't get pass Flacco's team in the playoffs? Last year everyone told me that the head to head QB matchup was stupid when saying Flacco outplayed Brady in the AFC Championship because Brady had to face a great Ravens D while Flacco played a poor Pats D. Well this year Flacco had to face a strong Broncos D while Peyton played a average Ravens D, yet that doesn't count now?

 

And some of these things you didn't say, I'm just using your post because the logic seems to be the same in most cases. Tom Brady was a good QB, but nothing special when he won his 3 Super Bowl and nobody cared about his numbers. He had a really good Defense and balanced offense. He never passed for more then 3,700yds or surpassed 28 TDs. If you took the names away and put Flacco and Brady's stats from their first 5 years side by side you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Yet because Brady's TEAM won 3 Super Bowls over that time period he's one of the greatest to play the QB position and Flacco is overrated because his TEAM has helped his success as well. Brady didn't start having super star numbers until Randy Moss and Wes Welker were added, now stud TEs like Gronk and Hernadez. Does that not mean his weapons help him, thus making the TEAM around him good? The only think that has stopped the Falcons from winning a Super Bowl is Matt Ryan has come up short in those playoff games. I could easily say, if Flacco had White, Jones, Tony G and got to play in a Dome 9 games a year, which his playoff success he would have easily won 2-3 Super Bowl already. But that would be foolish because you never know how a season plays out. In most cases Matt Ryan has played well enough to win Playoff games and he doesn't make any more mistakes then Drew Brees does. It's just the Falcons have had bad breaks like 0-3 on 4th and shorts against the NYG.

 

I just don't understand this and probably never well. In fact i just realized why I stoped particiating in the Joe Flacco debates. I've watched every throw this guy has made since his very first pass attempt in NE on August 7, 2008 when he looked like a deer lost in the headlights. I've watched him grow into a Super Bowl MVP and for my money he's a prefect fit for the team I love to cheer for. I could care less what other people have to say about it. Players play, Coaches coach, Fans cheer, and the media find ways to spark interest. I'm cool with that.

I didn't say Flacco sucks. There are people on here whining about his current rating saying he is UNDERrated. Its just not true. If you wanna talk about winning the SB, then by your standard Flacco should be #1 on the list. It just doesn't make sense. Obviously the top 100 takes into account the season performance in addition to the playoffs/and player's value based on last year. Taking all that into account in comparison to all the other QBs, imo Flacco is overrated. But you would probably only find a bunch of fanboys on a Ravens board crying about it.

 

On a side note, say Flacco was the #1 player on the list. He probably would've thrown 5000 yards and 30+ Tds but we might've not won the SB because we wouldn't have been a balanced team. Ill take Flacco being a middle of the pack QB any day if it means we win the SB. But if you think winning a SB makes Flacco the best, then i guess Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, and Brad Johnson are better than Dan Marino. And btw i agree with your assessment of Brady, I was never a fan when he won his SBs, but I do think he top player now, but back then i probably would've ranked him as I rank Flacco today.

[justifythegame]

Drew Brees had the same OC his first five seasons as Flacco had, and his numbers were worse across the board.  Look it up.  Every single stat is lower, so if that's your basis, you need to do a little more research.  If success is your basis, look at how well Brees did in the playoffs his first five seasons with Cam Cameron.  Your argument is completely invalid.

 

I should've probably meant the current Drew Brees. And who is to say Flacco doesn't become the best QB in the NFL in the future? Im just saying as of right now, he isn't as good as people make him out to be.

[justifythegame]

What in the world did I just read?Are you being sarcastic in this comment?A "qb like Drew Brees" puts up great stats because he leads the league in passing attempts every year.Not because hes better than everybody else.Why would you expect for Flacco to best Drew Brees in passing stats last year when he threw the balls 109 less times than Brees?It sounds like you're judging how good a qb is based off how good he does for you in fantasy football.Everytime we try to turn into a pass first offense,ravens fans get afraid of change and then have the nerve to wonder why Flacco isn't top 5 in stats.The reason so many people say Rodgers is the best qb in the league is because he's the only qb in the league who can put up gaudy stats on a modest number of attempts.Even Mark Sanchez would throw for 5000 yards and 40 tds if you let him throw the ball enough times.Lastly,"If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true."  that makes no sense.If a majority thinks someone is so overrated,wouldn't that make that player underrated?The logic in that sentence goes against the very definition of overrated.

The top 100 is based on player's ratings, the discussion was on on NFL fans voting that as overrated.

[Ravensfan23]

(Pittsburgh game )----So Flacco gets no blame on the INT, the strip ,sack, fumble and the waltz out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage?  All that was the team as well?  IM so confused. I give the guy all his respect for one of the best postseason performances i have seen in recent years. Yet some still feel the need to defend him. 

 

The way it sounds to me is that you and many others on the forums are acting like he has always played like he did in this past years playoffs.  Flacco has been a work in progress since he got here.  Thankfully he was up to the challenge.  He looks better now but his first three years were terrible along with three games out of this past years season.  All is forgotten i guess when you win a Super Bowl.   

SMH

 

No where did I say Flacco isn't to blame. But to say he's entire 2010 season was terrible because of one game is terrible. I have never will nor I start to give Flacco a pass for anything. My point was simple, if you are gonna say team when the Ravens win thus saying Flacco benefited from having those guys around him, then the Team needs to be Blamed when things go wrong as well.

 

Again, I said i saw a TEAM who couldn't get over the notion of beating the Steelers. I didn't say I saw QB overcoming all odds to try and will his team to victory. Just like you say me and others seem to always need to defend Flacco, you and others seem to play sole blame on Flacco when things go wrong. Now i'm smart enough to know this is not the case on either side and you are too, but that's what the preception is because it's hard to truly judge the intent of words when they are written and not spoken.

 

However when comments like, "if Brees was our QB we would have won the Super Bowl every year" that leads people like myself to laugh. It's not that I have a need to defend Flacco, nor do I have to praise him at every turn. There were times through his first 3 seasons where he was terrible, hell there were times last year were he was terrible. But act as if the team was all set up to win without Flacco and has played well enough to win, but FLACCO's poor play has held the team back is not accurate. The point of my post is that no other QB would have changed the outcome of those plays in that game,  because those plays weren't a result of Flacco's play. Yet he seems to get sole blame for the game. There were plenty of throws that Joe missed in that game. Again as I'vve said I've watched every throw of his career which I'm sure you have as well. There has been great moments and not so great. Which is why I said his inconsistency is what holds him back and you seem to be saying the same. We just have 2 very different says of saying it.

[justifythegame]

Just put the crack pipe down and step away from the keyboard. Please and thank you!

Please, this is a board for Ravens fans, not for junkies who stare at their reflection in the monitor.

[justifythegame]

For one thing, Flacco's passer rating ranked 12th last year, not 21st.

 

And about those bulk numbers, Flacco played approximately a full game less than all of those guys ahead of him, because he sat out almost an entire game coupled with significant portions in the fourth quarter of two others (Week 1 against Cincinnati and also against Oakland).

 

He also played against the #1 pass defense twice, the #3 pass defense, the #7 pass defense twice, and the #9 pass defense.  That's 6 games against top 10 pass defenses.

 

And he has played in a run-first offense coached by Cam Cameron.

 

The fact that his numbers don't *appear* to be better than other QBs is a deceptive statistical feature.  He doesn't have elite receivers, he hadn't had even a decent offensive coordinator, he plays in the kind of offensive system that doesn't make it easy for a QB and doesn't showcase big bulky QB stats, and he plays against the toughest defenses.  And despite all of that, he protects the football and makes very few mistakes (he has one of the lowest turnover percentages in the league) and wins games.

Guys like Shuab, who many are saying sucks, posted better numbers than Flacco across the board. If you wanna use the not having an elite receiver argument next year, i'll take it. But Boldin is pro-bowl caliber player who was under utilized by cam cameron. There are plenty of QBs that would've killed to have Boldin and Torrey Smith. Thats a terrible argument.

[Ravensfan23]

justifythegame, on 24 Jun 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

I didn't say Flacco sucks. There are people on here whining about his current rating saying he is UNDERrated. Its just not true. If you wanna talk about winning the SB, then by your standard Flacco should be #1 on the list. It just doesn't make sense. Obviously the top 100 takes into account the season performance in addition to the playoffs/and player's value based on last year. Taking all that into account in comparison to all the other QBs, imo Flacco is overrated. But you would probably only find a bunch of fanboys on a Ravens board crying about it.

On a side note, say Flacco was the #1 player on the list. He probably would've thrown 5000 yards and 30+ Tds but we might've not won the SB because we wouldn't have been a balanced team. Ill take Flacco being a middle of the pack QB any day if it means we win the SB. But if you think winning a SB makes Flacco the best, then i guess Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, and Brad Johnson are better than Dan Marino. And btw i agree with your assessment of Brady, I was never a fan when he won his SBs, but I do think he top player now, but back then i probably would've ranked him as I rank Flacco today.

Oh I never said you said Flacco sucks, I understand your point very well. It's not may standards at all that we are using, which is why I don't understand. By my standards Flacco still has a long way to go to reach the level of players I projected him to be when I saw him play Delware State in the playoffs. Before he even became a Raven I said the guy would be top 3 in the NFL in 5 years and by his 7th year he'd be considered #1 or #2. Flacco isn't far from it imo but still has plenty of work to do. So we aren't talking about my standards.

The best QBs are protected by their sytems a much as any other. Flacco has been held back by his imo. Does that mean Flacco gets no blame. Absolutely not. But everything has to be considered.

Arod is one of the best i've seen, but even his system helps him. When his oline is getting him killed, the system moves away from the deep passing attack, they'll move to using more screens and getting the ball into Cobb's hands because he's their instant spark. With Flacco, instead of Cam trying to find ways to get the ball into Boldin or Smith's hands when we need a spark. He just continued to run run and pass on third and long. Again not making excuses for Flacco, but that's truth, 90% of us used to watch games and no exactly what offensive play was coming. How tough is that on the players when everyone knows what you are doing.

As for winning a Super Bowl, no that isn't my stance, because that would mean I feel Eli and Ben are better then Flacco and ARod and I don't feel that. However, you also can't just dismiss it. Flacco is the winningest QB since entering the league in 2008. He has more playoff wins then any QB since 2008. Flacco is the only active QB to have a combine total of 1,622yds 16TDs 1int in a 2 year span in the postseason and came a dropped pass away from going to back to back Super Bowls. So we talk about how the team around Flacco is so good, but his offense is nowhere as good a the other top QBs, yet their postseason numbers don't compare with Flacco's. Ray Lewis doesn't effect what Joe does on offense. Yea you might be able to pick up a cheap 10-6 win because the defense was great, but when you are talking about passing yards, Tds and ints, that's the result of what Flacco is able to get out of his players on offense. He deserves credit for that, instead of people always saying how good his team is.

[callahan09]

He put up 11 of those this year.  What were his numbers before that?

 

I'll break some things down for you:

 

Post-season numbers since 2010

8 games, 6-2 record, 18 TD, 2 INT, 105.0 QB Rating, #1 post-season QB Rating in the NFL since 2010.  2nd place is Drew Brees, 3 games, 1-2 record, 9 TD, 2 INT, 104.2 Rating.

 

So to answer your question:

 

His post-season numbers for the 2010 and 2011 seasons

4 games, 2-2 record, 7 TD, 2 INT, 93.0 QB Rating

 

That's still pretty good.

 

Flacco is currently sitting on a 6-game streak of 2+ TD games in the post-season.  The only other quarterbacks to ever have 6 straight post-season games with at least 2 TDs in each of them are Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, and Drew Brees.

 

He is also the only QB in NFL history to have 3 consecutive post-season games with at least 3 TDs and NO INTs in each of them.  (And only Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers have ever matched 3 consecutive post-season games with 3 TDs, but all 3 of them threw at least 1 INT during that streak... Nobody has ever had 4 consecutive post-season games with 3+ TDs).

 

The level of play Flacco has accomplished in his past 3 years in the post-season has only ever been done by two other QBs.

That's 8 straight post-season games with a cumulative total of at least 2000 yards, 18 TDs, and no more than 2 INTs:

 

Joe Montana and Drew Brees and Joe Flacco are the only QBs to ever do that.

 

But heck, even Flacco's 2010-2011 stats of over 850 yards, 7 TDs, and 2 INTs over 4 consecutive post-season games has only ever been matched or bettered before by:

 

Bart Starr, Daryle Lamonica, Ken Anderson, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Neil O'Donnell, Brett Favre, Rich Gannon, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli Manning.

 

That's pretty good company.  Even the players on that list who aren't considered to be great quarterbacks (Mark Sanchez, and Jake Delhomme, for example) were surprisingly great in some of their post-season appearances, making Joe's 2010-2011 accomplishments still stand out as being among very good company.  Who isn't on that list, for example?  Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan... All have played in at least 4 post-season games but never had that level of statistical accomplishment over a 4-game post-season span.  Flacco's 2010-2011 post-season stats are really nothing to sneeze at.

 

In fact, now Flacco has had 5 distinct 4-game post-season spans that all match that criteria.  The only QBs with more are Drew Brees (6) and Joe Montana (7).

 

But Flacco's 3-years, 8-game cumulative stats are just phenomenal.  One of only 3 QBs in NFL history to do that in the post-season over 8 games.  Heck, if we take the post-season part out of it and just look at how many times a QB has ever had an 8-game stretch with stats like that, it's only happened 24 times in NFL history, and literally half of them (seriously, 12 out of the 24) were done by Tom Brady.

 

The only QBs whose names you will find on a list of players with an 8-game stretch like that (post-season, regular season, or combined) are Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco.

 

At the rate the media and fan love for Matt Ryan is going, he has a shot to make the Hall of Fame some day, which would mean Joe Flacco is the only guy on that list that isn't on track to be a Hall of Famer... but perhaps he should be?

[flynismo]

 Im just saying as of right now, he isn't as good as people make him out to be.

 

Please explain this, since the only people who have anything decent to say about him is only a portion of his own fan base.Does anyone say he is better than Manning or Rodgers? Or does the general public put him in the Eli / Roethlisberger class and still have the gall to say that is overrating him?

[SecretAgentMan]

Please explain this, since the only people who have anything decent to say about him is only a portion of his own fan base.Does anyone say he is better than Manning or Rodgers? Or does the general public put him in the Eli / Roethlisberger class and still have the gall to say that is overrating him?

Just let him be. There's no trying to reason with unreasonable people

[flynismo]

I'll break some things down for you:

 

Post-season numbers since 2010

8 games, 6-2 record, 18 TD, 2 INT, 105.0 QB Rating, #1 post-season QB Rating in the NFL since 2010.  2nd place is Drew Brees, 3 games, 1-2 record, 9 TD, 2 INT, 104.2 Rating.

 

So to answer your question:

 

His post-season numbers for the 2010 and 2011 seasons

4 games, 2-2 record, 7 TD, 2 INT, 93.0 QB Rating

 

That's still pretty good.

 

Flacco is currently sitting on a 6-game streak of 2+ TD games in the post-season.  The only other quarterbacks to ever have 6 straight post-season games with at least 2 TDs in each of them are Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, and Drew Brees.

 

He is also the only QB in NFL history to have 3 consecutive post-season games with at least 3 TDs and NO INTs in each of them.  (And only Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers have ever matched 3 consecutive post-season games with 3 TDs, but all 3 of them threw at least 1 INT during that streak... Nobody has ever had 4 consecutive post-season games with 3+ TDs).

 

The level of play Flacco has accomplished in his past 3 years in the post-season has only ever been done by two other QBs.

That's 8 straight post-season games with a cumulative total of at least 2000 yards, 18 TDs, and no more than 2 INTs:

 

Joe Montana and Drew Brees and Joe Flacco are the only QBs to ever do that.

 

But heck, even Flacco's 2010-2011 stats of over 850 yards, 7 TDs, and 2 INTs over 4 consecutive post-season games has only ever been matched or bettered before by:

 

Bart Starr, Daryle Lamonica, Ken Anderson, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Neil O'Donnell, Brett Favre, Rich Gannon, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli Manning.

 

That's pretty good company.  Even the players on that list who aren't considered to be great quarterbacks (Mark Sanchez, and Jake Delhomme, for example) were surprisingly great in some of their post-season appearances, making Joe's 2010-2011 accomplishments still stand out as being among very good company.  Who isn't on that list, for example?  Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan... All have played in at least 4 post-season games but never had that level of statistical accomplishment over a 4-game post-season span.  Flacco's 2010-2011 post-season stats are really nothing to sneeze at.

 

In fact, now Flacco has had 5 distinct 4-game post-season spans that all match that criteria.  The only QBs with more are Drew Brees (6) and Joe Montana (7).

 

But Flacco's 3-years, 8-game cumulative stats are just phenomenal.  One of only 3 QBs in NFL history to do that in the post-season over 8 games.  Heck, if we take the post-season part out of it and just look at how many times a QB has ever had an 8-game stretch with stats like that, it's only happened 24 times in NFL history, and literally half of them (seriously, 12 out of the 24) were done by Tom Brady.

 

The only QBs whose names you will find on a list of players with an 8-game stretch like that (post-season, regular season, or combined) are Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco.

 

At the rate the media and fan love for Matt Ryan is going, he has a shot to make the Hall of Fame some day, which would mean Joe Flacco is the only guy on that list that isn't on track to be a Hall of Famer... but perhaps he should be?

Sounds overrated to me. Matt Ryan is way better, just look at what he did during garbage time in regular season

[flynismo]

I didn't say Flacco sucks. There are people on here whining about his current rating saying he is UNDERrated. Its just not true. If you wanna talk about winning the SB, then by your standard Flacco should be #1 on the list. It just doesn't make sense. Obviously the top 100 takes into account the season performance in addition to the playoffs/and player's value based on last year. Taking all that into account in comparison to all the other QBs, imo Flacco is overrated. But you would probably only find a bunch of fanboys on a Ravens board crying about it.

 

On a side note, say Flacco was the #1 player on the list. He probably would've thrown 5000 yards and 30+ Tds but we might've not won the SB because we wouldn't have been a balanced team. Ill take Flacco being a middle of the pack QB any day if it means we win the SB. But if you think winning a SB makes Flacco the best, then i guess Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, and Brad Johnson are better than Dan Marino. And btw i agree with your assessment of Brady, I was never a fan when he won his SBs, but I do think he top player now, but back then i probably would've ranked him as I rank Flacco today.

Here you go talking out of your rear again. Who said Flacco is #1 or the best?

Well...Ed Reed said it while debating Ryan Clark, but he clearly knows a lot less than you do, so Reed doesn't count -- who said Flacco should be #1 (overall or QB)?

 

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Come to think of it, why SHOULDNT he be in contention to be considered the best QB in the league? Sure, he doesn't put up garbage time stats like the other guys did, but his stats WHEN IT MATTERS are on a historic level.

I mean, cry all you want about us being whiny homer fanboys, but facts are facts. Flacco is beast.

[SteelersProphet]

Please explain this, since the only people who have anything decent to say about him is only a portion of his own fan base.Does anyone say he is better than Manning or Rodgers? Or does the general public put him in the Eli / Roethlisberger class and still have the gall to say that is overrating him?

I would say joe is in the ben/eli class........but I feel he is new to that class....last year moved him up

[SecretAgentMan]

Here you go talking out of your rear again. Who said Flacco is #1 or the best?

Well...Ed Reed said it while debating Ryan Clark, but he clearly knows a lot less than you do, so Reed doesn't count -- who said Flacco should be #1 (overall or QB)?

 

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Come to think of it, why SHOULDNT he be in contention to be considered the best QB in the league? Sure, he doesn't put up garbage time stats like the other guys did, but his stats WHEN IT MATTERS are on a historic level.

I mean, cry all you want about us being whiny homer fanboys, but facts are facts. Flacco is beast.

But Fly. Flacco is a deer in the headlights who is forced to lob it up to his STUD WRs whenever he can ;)