Joe Flacco called overrated on NFL.com

[Malkavian Raven]

Just catching up on what I've missed in football, and to see RGIII and Matt Ryan ranked higher than Joe the Top 100 and Andrew Luck being up there as well... absurd.

 

Joe just needs us "homers", that's all he has ever needed.  I think with those people that are still hating, the bandwagon is officially closed.

[SecretAgentMan]

Just catching up on what I've missed in football, and to see RGIII and Matt Ryan ranked higher than Joe the Top 100 and Andrew Luck being up there as well... absurd.

 

Joe just needs us "homers", that's all he has ever needed.  I think with those people that are still hating, the bandwagon is officially closed.

What bandwagon :P?

[Clutch Ravens]

I can see it now...

they would bash him for having the "deer in headlights" look on his face while negotiating world peace successfully, get bashed for not being a vocal enough leader while rallying the economy to heights it has never seen before, and then criticized for curing cancer because although his cure is 100% effective, his research (regular season) wasn't 3l1e. So then they just hand the Nobel prizes to a true genius who clearly is more deserving, like Matt Ryan

 

If Flacco cured cancer it would be because his defense did all the tough research, then he would be blamed for overpopulation.

[callahan09]

Two problems:

 

We're not being respected

and two,

we thought we'd get respect if we won the SB, but alas...Joe could throw for 5k yards and 40 TD this year, and lose a playoff game, and then all people will talk about how he failed us when it really mattered.

Haters gonna hate son

 I actually agree.  It's inevitable and predictable.  The only way he will get respect after next season is if he has a huge fantasy football type season AND wins another Super Bowl.  If he wins another Super Bowl without the stats, they'll hold it against him, and if he has the stats but loses in the playoff, that's all they'll talk about.

[Ravensfan23]

+1 for dropping the mic and walking swiftly off stage. lol

 

The only thing that bothers me is that when our own fans act like the dummies on TV and still bash Joe.

 

+1 for ackownledging the mic drop. lol I was scrolling through the thread and I saw Drops Mic at the end of a post and was like, this has to be good lol .

[Ravensfan23]

on a serious note, i do like what the players had to say about Joe on the top 100 video. I think it was Mathis that pointed out Joe's great play on the screen pass to Rice in the playoff game. When it first happened I said it was a great job by Joe. But that imo is the perfect play to highlight how bias the media is.

 

Joe had to show great patiences and the play was still a bust because of great coverage. But great ball placement allowed Rice to catch the ball to the inside of Mathis who I'm sure never expected Joe to even throw it becuase of great coverage. It was Flacco that made the play possible and Rice benefited from the open field.  However everyone gave Rice full credit for the play. Had that been Tom Brady or ARod the media would have said the same things that Mathis said about how the QB made the play. So that was cool to see.

 

Joe is the perfect QB for the Ravens because just like the rest of the team, he has to earn every ounce of respect he gets and he still gets disrespected. Ray Lewis overrated, Harbs isn't a better coach then his brother, people complaining about Dennis Pitta being on the top 100, when you had freaking FBs on the list last year. I love it because I know it makes the guys go that much harder.

[Tiz]

I'm torn. I'd love for flacco to put up 4k yards and 40 tds to shut up critics
But I really enjoy the stats he puts up now with the wins that end up with critics baffled and continuously calling
Such a winning team overrated.


In the end if we win we all are happy

[beasy2487]

What I love about Flacco and the reason I think he is a better quarterback than a guy like Big Ben is that he makes his plays within the offense. The better the offense is, the better he is because, while he has the ability to improvise, he doesn't like the risk that comes with those types of plays.

Prophet mentioned that Ben is underrated because he's won two Super Bowls but Ben's greatest asset has always been his ability to extend plays. All receivers can get open given 5+ seconds to do so and Ben relied on his physical gifts to give them that time. While that is commendable, it is unique to Ben because of sheer mass, not because of superior accuracy or defensive diagnostics. So much so, in fact, that Haley was brought in for the express purpose of getting him to stop doing it because the physical toll is catching up with him.

On the other hand you have Flacco, who doesn't make plays like Ben not because he can't, but because at the end of the day he'd rather live to fight another day than risk injury or a turnover. The biggest knock on him from me was just that he didn't diagnose the blitz well. See: Polamalu strip sack circa 2010. However now he can recognize those blitzes. See: Audible to Anquan on 3rd and 1 in the SB.

So now you have a guy that's mental aspect has caught up to his physical gifts and will take what the defense gives him. The perfect example being the pass to jacoby against the broncos. He read the safety and threw a 70+ yard bomb, on a rope, within 4 seconds. He extended the play slightly with his feet but only to allow the play to unfold. There is not a single quarterback other than Joe that can make that play and that's why Raheem Moore screwed up. He didn't believe it was possible for anyone to do what Joe did.

I honestly think that in the next 3 years Joe is going to do some things throwing the ball that we have never seen before and I can't wait.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

For one thing, Flacco's passer rating ranked 12th last year, not 21st.

 

And about those bulk numbers, Flacco played approximately a full game less than all of those guys ahead of him, because he sat out almost an entire game coupled with significant portions in the fourth quarter of two others (Week 1 against Cincinnati and also against Oakland).

 

He also played against the #1 pass defense twice, the #3 pass defense, the #7 pass defense twice, and the #9 pass defense.  That's 6 games against top 10 pass defenses.

 

And he has played in a run-first offense coached by Cam Cameron.

 

The fact that his numbers don't *appear* to be better than other QBs is a deceptive statistical feature.  He doesn't have elite receivers, he hadn't had even a decent offensive coordinator, he plays in the kind of offensive system that doesn't make it easy for a QB and doesn't showcase big bulky QB stats, and he plays against the toughest defenses.  And despite all of that, he protects the football and makes very few mistakes (he has one of the lowest turnover percentages in the league) and wins games.

 

To add to your excellent points, the Ravens also didn't use the spread as often as those high powered passing teams and they didn't stick with the up-tempo style on the road (which for them was the no-huddle) that you saw the Patriots, Packers and Saints use because those teams had to score a ton of points because their defenses were terrible. (So were the Ravens' D, but Cam was slow to adapt to that and kept trying to lean on the defense in the 4th Qtr to perserve leads during road games.)

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Joe Flacco is a class by himself , no according to the nfl list  Tony Romo,  Peyton Manning ,  Matt Ryan are all Elite but Joe isnt lets examine this  , do any of these actualy win in the play offs ......

[Tiz]

Joe Flacco is a class by himself , no according to the nfl list  Tony Romo,  Peyton Manning ,  Matt Ryan are all Elite but Joe isnt lets examine this  , do any of these actualy win in the play offs ......

Last 3 postseasons (8 games) he has thrown 15tds and 2 ints
7 of the 8 games he had a rating of 95 or higher.


Peyton manning can't say that
Tom Brady can't
Aaron rodgers is close but can't
Only drew Brees can say that.

Flacco may not be "regular season elite" but he's postseason untouchable...

[Guest RBates]

I don't think Flacco was ever scared or terrible. I didn't see a scared QB on the road in the playoffs against the #1 Defense in 2008. I saw a rookie QB who stepped up when his team needed with a huge TD to the Mason and a clutch 3rd down throw to Heap to help win the game. The next week I saw QB who was way in over his head in the biggest game of his life. Unlike a guy like Kaep, Flacco had no running game and it was all on his shoulders to move the ball. I saw a small school QB playing against one of the greatest defensive minds in the NFL with a chance to play in the Super Bowl.

Honestly I though 2010 was one of Flacco's best years. He stepped up and show he's the type oof QB who can handle a Diva type WR corp. I strong feel from that season on Flacco became the Franchise QB and should have been handed the keys but was constantly held back. You mention the Pittsburgh game, I didn't see a QB play terrible. I saw a entire team get shook at the notion of not being able to get past the Steelers. Again people wanna scream about Team Team Team when the Ravens win but Flacco Flacco Flacco when they lose. I saw Flacco make one questionable throw on the Int. A int which wasn't a pick 6 so the Team had every chance to keep them out of the endzone. I saw the Team get stupid holding penalties and false starts. I saw Flacco make the smart play on 3rd and long to just dumpoff to Rice and allow your defense to get the ball back. But the Team tried to do too much on the dumpoff and fumbled. I saw Flacco ready tto take a snap but the Team snap the ball against their thigh causing a fumble. I saw the Team having a holding penalty wipe away a punt return TD. I saw Flacco make a perfect pass in the enddzone but the Team dropped it. On 3rd and 17 I saw Flacco sitting on the sideline wwhile the Team gave up a 50yd play. And of course we saw Flacco make a perfect pass on 4th down but the Team drop it. We clearly saw 2 very different games.

As for Flacco moving forward. He has to play more consistently before he's considered top 5. But from a potential standpoint and what I expect now that he's unleashed, my personal opinion is that ARod is the onlyy one better.

Oh man this is turning into a Flacco thread.  Im out.  BIG ARMS PEOPLE.  NOT JUST FLACCO

[Guest RBates]

Last 3 postseasons (8 games) he has thrown 15tds and 2 ints
7 of the 8 games he had a rating of 95 or higher.


Peyton manning can't say that
Tom Brady can't
Aaron rodgers is close but can't
Only drew Brees can say that.

Flacco may not be "regular season elite" but he's postseason untouchable...

He put up 11 of those this year.  What were his numbers before that?

[Guest RBates]

I don't think Flacco was ever scared or terrible. I didn't see a scared QB on the road in the playoffs against the #1 Defense in 2008. I saw a rookie QB who stepped up when his team needed with a huge TD to the Mason and a clutch 3rd down throw to Heap to help win the game. The next week I saw QB who was way in over his head in the biggest game of his life. Unlike a guy like Kaep, Flacco had no running game and it was all on his shoulders to move the ball. I saw a small school QB playing against one of the greatest defensive minds in the NFL with a chance to play in the Super Bowl.

Honestly I though 2010 was one of Flacco's best years. He stepped up and show he's the type oof QB who can handle a Diva type WR corp. I strong feel from that season on Flacco became the Franchise QB and should have been handed the keys but was constantly held back. You mention the Pittsburgh game, I didn't see a QB play terrible. I saw a entire team get shook at the notion of not being able to get past the Steelers. Again people wanna scream about Team Team Team when the Ravens win but Flacco Flacco Flacco when they lose. I saw Flacco make one questionable throw on the Int. A int which wasn't a pick 6 so the Team had every chance to keep them out of the endzone. I saw the Team get stupid holding penalties and false starts. I saw Flacco make the smart play on 3rd and long to just dumpoff to Rice and allow your defense to get the ball back. But the Team tried to do too much on the dumpoff and fumbled. I saw Flacco ready tto take a snap but the Team snap the ball against their thigh causing a fumble. I saw the Team having a holding penalty wipe away a punt return TD. I saw Flacco make a perfect pass in the enddzone but the Team dropped it. On 3rd and 17 I saw Flacco sitting on the sideline wwhile the Team gave up a 50yd play. And of course we saw Flacco make a perfect pass on 4th down but the Team drop it. We clearly saw 2 very different games.

As for Flacco moving forward. He has to play more consistently before he's considered top 5. But from a potential standpoint and what I expect now that he's unleashed, my personal opinion is that ARod is the onlyy one better.

(Pittsburgh game )----So Flacco gets no blame on the INT, the strip ,sack, fumble and the waltz out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage?  All that was the team as well?  IM so confused. I give the guy all his respect for one of the best postseason performances i have seen in recent years. Yet some still feel the need to defend him. 

 

The way it sounds to me is that you and many others on the forums are acting like he has always played like he did in this past years playoffs.  Flacco has been a work in progress since he got here.  Thankfully he was up to the challenge.  He looks better now but his first three years were terrible along with three games out of this past years season.  All is forgotten i guess when you win a Super Bowl.   

SMH

[GrimCoconut]

(Pittsburgh game )----So Flacco gets no blame on the INT, the strip ,sack, fumble and the waltz out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage? All that was the team as well? IM so confused. I give the guy all his respect for one of the best postseason performances i have seen in recent years. Yet some still feel the need to defend him.

The way it sounds to me is that you and many others on the forums are acting like he has always played like he did in this past years playoffs. Flacco has been a work in progress since he got here. Thankfully he was up to the challenge. He looks better now but his first three years were terrible along with three games out of this past years season. All is forgotten i guess when you win a Super Bowl.
SMH

First of all Flacco was never terrible.

Second, he is a work in progress or was you're right. He's taken steps at a time and I'm sure you can understand why. The promise he showed after Cameron left has everyone very excited because it somewhat confirms what many have believed, which is that Cam held Flacco back.

I don't disagree with you on the subject that Joe hasn't always played this way. He's been wildly inconsistent. But the fact is he had looked great and took a huge step forward and was finally consistent.

My question for you is why be so angry or frustrated by it? I can see the love Joe gets frustrates you. I'm not sure why.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

(Pittsburgh game )----So Flacco gets no blame on the INT, the strip ,sack, fumble and the waltz out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage? All that was the team as well? IM so confused. I give the guy all his respect for one of the best postseason performances i have seen in recent years. Yet some still feel the need to defend him.

The way it sounds to me is that you and many others on the forums are acting like he has always played like he did in this past years playoffs. Flacco has been a work in progress since he got here. Thankfully he was up to the challenge. He looks better now but his first three years were terrible along with three games out of this past years season. All is forgotten i guess when you win a Super Bowl.
SMH

The idea that his first three years were terrible is one of the stupidest notions I have heard. Was he great? No. He was pretty average but he was by no means terrible. Terrible is Mark Sanchez and Blaine Gabbert.

[Guest RBates]

First of all Flacco was never terrible.

Second, he is a work in progress or was you're right. He's taken steps at a time and I'm sure you can understand why. The promise he showed after Cameron left has everyone very excited because it somewhat confirms what many have believed, which is that Cam held Flacco back.

I don't disagree with you on the subject that Joe hasn't always played this way. He's been wildly inconsistent. But the fact is he had looked great and took a huge step forward and was finally consistent.

My question for you is why be so angry or frustrated by it? I can see the love Joe gets frustrates you. I'm not sure why.

Im not angry my man.  Just telling it like it is. The man had plenty of room to improve and he did.  I'm just tired of the whole don't say anything about Joe nonsense.  When he has played well i sung praises when he has played poorly he got the opposite.  If people call him overrated that would not be a stretch, considering it has only been two good seasons.  

[Guest RBates]

The idea that his first three years were terrible is one of the stupidest notions I have heard. Was he great? No. He was pretty average but he was by no means terrible. Terrible is Mark Sanchez and Blaine Gabbert.

Terrible was his performance in our last game of each of his first three years. 

 

Are u Kidding me?

[GrimCoconut]

Im not angry my man. Just telling it like it is. The man had plenty of room to improve and he did. I'm just tired of the whole don't say anything about Joe nonsense. When he has played well i sung praises when he has played poorly he got the opposite. If people call him overrated that would not be a stretch, considering it has only been two good seasons.

I understand your point but I think the incense towards people thinking Flacco is overrated comes from the fact that he gets no respect for the good he does. I a result we as fans feel a need to compensate for his disrespect through perhaps sometimes glorified glasses but understand that Flacco is a great player. You seem to know that. I feel like you're just playing devil's advocate here--the odd man

I get it but I ask you why has been inconsistent? The evidence supports Cameron being the cause. What's your theory?

Personally I think Cameron is a great developer. I think a lot of Joe's foundation came from him but he seems to have difficulty letting go.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Im not angry my man.  Just telling it like it is. The man had plenty of room to improve and he did.  I'm just tired of the whole don't say anything about Joe nonsense.  When he has played well i sung praises when he has played poorly he got the opposite.  If people call him overrated that would not be a stretch, considering it has only been two good seasons.  

define a good season

[Guest RBates]

My time to vent....

First it was Brees, then it was Rivers. Now it is Flacco.... Once Cam Cameron leaves, every single one of those QB's careers sky rocketed. It's not a coincidence.

Why don't any of these people calling Joe overrated ever bring that up? That just maybe there was a possibility that his OC was his main problem?
I swear, I think think they just do a quick google search and compare the stats between QB's, because there is absolutely no way these people watch the tape.

If you're a Ravens fan, and understand football, even in the slightest, then there is no way anyone can reasonably call Joe Flacco overrated...It's absurd.

People just see what they want to see sometimes and totally contradict themselves in the process....

which is ignored by most NFL fans because a really good portion of them are just casual fans who watch football and have no clue what they're looking at. Either because its now the popular thing to do because other people like it or because they're new to the game and still learning about everything. The learning process slows down when idiots on NFL.com feed the casual fan bullcrap like this. Which is why most comments on Joe Flacco, on almost every website, are uneducated, trollish, spiteful ones.

Just watch the tape. Account for circumstances worth accounting for (countless). For example lack of weapons, playoff drops/misses, OC.

And most importantly career win % in regular/post season.

When you do all that, there's no way Joe comes out of that overrated.

*drops mic*

What is this i have a fan?  Now i got people dropping the mic on the forums........lmao i love it!!!!!!!

[Guest RBates]

define a good season

Last year

[GrimCoconut]

Last year

What makes that remarkable is he went against some of the best pass rushers right? My memory could be off but I thought I remembered reading how our season was done because of our SOS combined with all these good pass rushers we would face and good QB.

[Guest RBates]

define a good season

Playoffs this past year was above good in fact it was great.  I don't expect that kind of performance again but i would have to say this year and last years seasons were good.  

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Terrible was his performance in our last game of each of his first three years.

Are u Kidding me?

So let me get this right. His entire first 3 years of his career are terrible because his last game was bad?

[Guest RBates]

So let me get this right. His entire first 3 years of his career are terrible because his last game was bad?

No, because his mechanics were bad, he made a lot of mental errors, and he didn't trust in his teammates to make the play.  

 

To be honest, he wasn't much of a leader in his first three years. The Qb has to be the leader on the team. 

[GrimCoconut]

No, because his mechanics were bad, he made a lot of mental errors, and he didn't trust in his teammates to make the play.

To be honest, he wasn't much of a leader in his first three years. The Qb has to be the leader on the team.

I don't understand this argument. How was he going to be the leader of the team with Ray Lewis? Lol. If Joe tried to do the pump up speech with Ray there people would have laughed him off the field.

[Guest RBates]

What makes that remarkable is he went against some of the best pass rushers right? My memory could be off but I thought I remembered reading how our season was done because of our SOS combined with all these good pass rushers we would face and good QB.

That's what made this season special to me is the talent he faced way before winning the Superbowl.  Premier pass rushers. 

We did face some of the best the league has to offer. A lot can be said about our offensive front as well.  Joe earned his respect this year. But he still only has 2 good seasons in five years. So the overrated title makes sense. AS of now 

[Guest RBates]

I don't understand this argument. How was he going to be the leader of the team with Ray Lewis? Lol. If Joe tried to do the pump up speech with Ray there people would have laughed him off the field.

Ray plays defense.  You can still have those talks, speeches, (whatever) with the offense.  If you as a Qb are not ready to come onto the field and make everyone listen, then you are in the wrong profession.  

[SteelersProphet]

im sorry but I have to bring this up.......I have been reading these comments and thinking that the same ravens fans that are complaining that "people just look at stats, and don't actually watch flacco play" are the ones that say big ben is done because of the injuries or isn't that good.

 

now I agree that flacco is a great QB and his stats don't tell the whole story, but I have been saying these same things to ravens fans about ben for years.........I watch every single snap he plays, and most people don't so they judge him off stats......

 

this is how it feels guys.......to know your QB is something special but still have to defend him to people who watch him once or twice a year