Joe Flacco called overrated on NFL.com

[Guest RBates]

The Fact is Flacco came a drop pass away from playing in back to back Super Bowls. I'm not saying you're wrong for your opinion of Flacco because it's your opinion and I don't get paid any money for supporting Flacco. However you can't tell me that the point of his post was that Flacco is average because he finished middle of the pack in stats and had a balanced team help him win a Super Bowl and then turn around and say TEAMs when championships as if nobody was catching the passing of Brees and Brady. If the Ravens had lost to the Broncos, nobody would have said Peyton was lucky to get 2 Special Teams TDs and that's why he won the game. They would have just marveled at his greatness as he and Brady squared off in the AFC Championship. The same way nobody cared that it was a dropped pass and missed FG that allowed Brady to play in the Super Bowl last year despite playing like crap against the Ravens.

 

I'm sorry, you can't have it both ways. You can't praise the greatness of numbers when they may or may not have come at curcial points of games, then turn around and say Flacco isn't as good as some QB with better numbers but sitting at home watching him have one of the greatest playoff runs of anyone. I'm not saying Flacco is the best in the NFL, although I do think he'll have a MVP caliber season this year, but to call him overrated is crazy imo. As for the money, that's the nature of the business. Terrell Suggs was paid as one of the highest players at his position even though he only had 2 double digit sack seasons in 6 years and I don't remember many people complaining about that deal. That's just the nature of the system, hate the NFL not Flacco for the mega deal.

All i'm saying is if you add up the body of work, his first three years were terrible.(third year was terrible because of the Pittsburgh game) 4th year is where we started seeing a lot of improvement.  5th year was amazing, not just because we won the Superbowl.  Because he started looking into the camera and you started to see him mature into a man.  I don't care what anybody says his first three years he was scared to death.  Now add it all up and you see why people call him overrated.  

 

On the plus side, I agree with you, he is playing a lot better than years past.  I do see him becoming one of the leagues best.  But given the recent years i don't know why its a stretch to call him overrated.  He will only hold that title until the end of this season.  If Flacco can develop his young talent, improve on his overall game, i think he sheds the overrated title. .  I just want to continue to see him progress.

 

Just to be clear im saying it now quote me if you like.  We do not have to make the playoffs for Flacco to shed the overrated title imo. 

[flynismo]

That's just crazy talk, RBates.

 

His first three years were terrible? So how is it then that because of Flacco & Ryan's performances as rookies, teams changed the way they viewed rookie QBs and started expecting them to contribute from day one? Not to mention Flacco falling just a couple dozen yards short of becoming only the third rookie QB in history to throw for 3k+ yards. His second year was very good. His third year has been his best statistical season, but you want to discredit it because of one game where it was more his teammates than himself that cost us that game? Come on man

[SecretAgentMan]

That's just crazy talk, RBates.

His first three years were terrible? So how is it then that because of Flacco & Ryan's performances as rookies, teams changed the way they viewed rookie QBs and started expecting them to contribute from day one? Not to mention Flacco falling just a couple dozen yards short of becoming only the third rookie QB in history to throw for 3k+ yards. His second year was very good. His third year has been his best statistical season, but you want to discredit it because of one game where it was more his teammates than himself that cost us that game? Come on man

Flacco needs the all pro future hall of famer all time great WR Anquan Boldin to lob it up too.

HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS FLY?

[SecretAgentMan]

Rant time

How can Flacco be overrated when NO ONE LIKES HIM?

To those who say that our D carried him(TWSS).
Remeber, we had the SAME team with Boller the previous year. Did we make the playoffs then? Nope. *Makes playoffs with Flacco*

Media: DEFENSE CARRIED HIM.

So he can't be overrated from the start because he did take his team to the playoffs. He did get bailed out by the D, but he played well enough to win games.

His second year he has no one at WR, Mason and Heap got hurt if im correct, yet he's only a few missed FGs prevented Flacco from giving the ravens more wins. But Ray Rice also has a breakout year

Media: RICE RUNS RAVENS

Third season the Ravens have the slowest WR corps in the NFL, and would you look at that. We still made the playoffs. Rice has down year, and defense becomes overrated. Receivers still made him look bad.

Media: FLACCO SUCKS. LOW STATS

Fourth Year, Flacco gets deep threat but Defense breaks out again and so does Rice

Media: EMERGENCE OF D AND RICE PROVE THAT FLACCO SUCKS. Tebow is better

Fifth year. Finally wins SB and does so with piece of crap d and bad playoffs from Rice. Still no one gives him credit

Media: FLACCO LOBS IT UP TO BOLDIN TO WIN SB

[SecretAgentMan]

Flacco could cure cancer, end world hunger, lower pollution, make the unemployment rate go down, finally establish world peace, and PEOPLE WOULD STILL HATE HIM

[Ravensfan23]

All i'm saying is if you add up the body of work, his first three years were terrible.(third year was terrible because of the Pittsburgh game) 4th year is where we started seeing a lot of improvement.  5th year was amazing, not just because we won the Superbowl.  Because he started looking into the camera and you started to see him mature into a man.  I don't care what anybody says his first three years he was scared to death.  Now add it all up and you see why people call him overrated.  
 
On the plus side, I agree with you, he is playing a lot better than years past.  I do see him becoming one of the leagues best.  But given the recent years i don't know why its a stretch to call him overrated.  He will only hold that title until the end of this season.  If Flacco can develop his young talent, improve on his overall game, i think he sheds the overrated title. .  I just want to continue to see him progress.
 
Just to be clear im saying it now quote me if you like.  We do not have to make the playoffs for Flacco to shed the overrated title imo. 

I don't think Flacco was ever scared or terrible. I didn't see a scared QB on the road in the playoffs against the #1 Defense in 2008. I saw a rookie QB who stepped up when his team needed with a huge TD to the Mason and a clutch 3rd down throw to Heap to help win the game. The next week I saw QB who was way in over his head in the biggest game of his life. Unlike a guy like Kaep, Flacco had no running game and it was all on his shoulders to move the ball. I saw a small school QB playing against one of the greatest defensive minds in the NFL with a chance to play in the Super Bowl.

Honestly I though 2010 was one of Flacco's best years. He stepped up and show he's the type oof QB who can handle a Diva type WR corp. I strong feel from that season on Flacco became the Franchise QB and should have been handed the keys but was constantly held back. You mention the Pittsburgh game, I didn't see a QB play terrible. I saw a entire team get shook at the notion of not being able to get past the Steelers. Again people wanna scream about Team Team Team when the Ravens win but Flacco Flacco Flacco when they lose. I saw Flacco make one questionable throw on the Int. A int which wasn't a pick 6 so the Team had every chance to keep them out of the endzone. I saw the Team get stupid holding penalties and false starts. I saw Flacco make the smart play on 3rd and long to just dumpoff to Rice and allow your defense to get the ball back. But the Team tried to do too much on the dumpoff and fumbled. I saw Flacco ready tto take a snap but the Team snap the ball against their thigh causing a fumble. I saw the Team having a holding penalty wipe away a punt return TD. I saw Flacco make a perfect pass in the enddzone but the Team dropped it. On 3rd and 17 I saw Flacco sitting on the sideline wwhile the Team gave up a 50yd play. And of course we saw Flacco make a perfect pass on 4th down but the Team drop it. We clearly saw 2 very different games.

As for Flacco moving forward. He has to play more consistently before he's considered top 5. But from a potential standpoint and what I expect now that he's unleashed, my personal opinion is that ARod is the onlyy one better.

[K-Dog]

Did he just say Flaccos first three years were terrible?

TERRIBLE? !?!?!?!

I give up.

*walks out of the room and closes the door*

[GrimCoconut]

All i'm saying is if you add up the body of work, his first three years were terrible.(third year was terrible because of the Pittsburgh game) 4th year is where we started seeing a lot of improvement. 5th year was amazing, not just because we won the Superbowl. Because he started looking into the camera and you started to see him mature into a man. I don't care what anybody says his first three years he was scared to death. Now add it all up and you see why people call him overrated.

On the plus side, I agree with you, he is playing a lot better than years past. I do see him becoming one of the leagues best. But given the recent years i don't know why its a stretch to call him overrated. He will only hold that title until the end of this season. If Flacco can develop his young talent, improve on his overall game, i think he sheds the overrated title. . I just want to continue to see him progress.

Just to be clear im saying it now quote me if you like. We do not have to make the playoffs for Flacco to shed the overrated title imo.

The NFL top 100 wasn't about Joe's first three or even four years. It was about last year. It was about how he put the team on his back when our defense sucked with an offensive coordinator who was eventually let go.

[Clutch Ravens]

We just need to win it all over again next year so Joe has a ring for each middle finger.

 

Matt "One Playoff Win" Ryan is underrated despite being higher than Joe "One Super Bowl & MVP Win" Flacco. Some people are just too stupid. They should be permanently banned from the internet to stop the spread of said stupidity.

[GrimCoconut]

We just need to win it all over again next year so Joe has a ring for each middle finger.

Matt "One Playoff Win" Ryan is underrated despite being higher than Joe "One Super Bowl & MVP Win" Flacco. Some people are just too stupid. They should be permanently banned from the internet to stop the spread of said stupidity.

Spartan law?

[Grendelwulf21]

How can Flacco be overrated when NO ONE LIKES HIM?
 

^This, a billion times, so many people hate on him

[Cville-Raven]

Did he just say Flaccos first three years were terrible?

TERRIBLE? !?!?!?!

I give up.

*walks out of the room and closes the door*

yeah, what a joke

In his third year he basically carried the offense

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

THe video was one of the more bizarre ones I've seen

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Flacco could cure cancer, end world hunger, lower pollution, make the unemployment rate go down, finally establish world peace, and PEOPLE WOULD STILL HATE HIM

 

Lol

 

*Flacco cures cancer*

"Wow! Did you see that throw by Matt Ryan?" 

[darklight1216]

Lol

 

*Flacco cures cancer*

"Wow! Did you see that throw by Matt Ryan?" 

I think it might be more like "Flacco ends world hunger" "Yeah, but it was only because he had a good defense."

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

I think it might be more like "Flacco ends world hunger" "Yeah, but it was only because he had a good defense."

 

hahaha +1

[Grendelwulf21]

I think it might be more like "Flacco ends world hunger" "Yeah, but it was only because he had a good defense."

Lmfao, The defense totally carried him

[jus'_crAzy]

Overrated, eh?  We'll show them... We'll show them all.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIJKM0sjdo

 

[Gordo52]

My time to vent....

First it was Brees, then it was Rivers. Now it is Flacco.... Once Cam Cameron leaves, every single one of those QB's careers sky rocketed. It's not a coincidence.

Why don't any of these people calling Joe overrated ever bring that up? That just maybe there was a possibility that his OC was his main problem?
I swear, I think think they just do a quick google search and compare the stats between QB's, because there is absolutely no way these people watch the tape.

If you're a Ravens fan, and understand football, even in the slightest, then there is no way anyone can reasonably call Joe Flacco overrated...It's absurd.

People just see what they want to see sometimes and totally contradict themselves in the process....

which is ignored by most NFL fans because a really good portion of them are just casual fans who watch football and have no clue what they're looking at. Either because its now the popular thing to do because other people like it or because they're new to the game and still learning about everything. The learning process slows down when idiots on NFL.com feed the casual fan bullcrap like this. Which is why most comments on Joe Flacco, on almost every website, are uneducated, trollish, spiteful ones.

Just watch the tape. Account for circumstances worth accounting for (countless). For example lack of weapons, playoff drops/misses, OC.

And most importantly career win % in regular/post season.

When you do all that, there's no way Joe comes out of that overrated.

*drops mic*

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Of course he's overrated.

He's finally getting some of the credit and accolades that he deserves after his stellar performance in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

And that's not supposed to happen until he starts putting up impressive fantasy stats during the regular season.

 

Because our fantasy football teams matter, dammit!!

THEY MATTER!! :gaah:

 

(So glad he's our QB)   :242736:

[Yatagarasu]

Who cares about being loved?

 

The Ring brings Respect...

 

If we repeat again, all these media nonsense will stop. Only idiots would talk trash about Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky. 

[flynismo]

Who cares about being loved?

 

The Ring brings Respect...

 

If we repeat again, all these media nonsense will stop. Only idiots would talk trash about Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky. 

 

 

Two problems:

 

We're not being respected

and two,

we thought we'd get respect if we won the SB, but alas...Joe could throw for 5k yards and 40 TD this year, and lose a playoff game, and then all people will talk about how he failed us when it really mattered.

Haters gonna hate son

[flynismo]

My time to vent....

First it was Brees, then it was Rivers. Now it is Flacco.... Once Cam Cameron leaves, every single one of those QB's careers sky rocketed. It's not a coincidence.

Why don't any of these people calling Joe overrated ever bring that up? That just maybe there was a possibility that his OC was his main problem?
I swear, I think think they just do a quick google search and compare the stats between QB's, because there is absolutely no way these people watch the tape.

If you're a Ravens fan, and understand football, even in the slightest, then there is no way anyone can reasonably call Joe Flacco overrated...It's absurd.

People just see what they want to see sometimes and totally contradict themselves in the process....

which is ignored by most NFL fans because a really good portion of them are just casual fans who watch football and have no clue what they're looking at. Either because its now the popular thing to do because other people like it or because they're new to the game and still learning about everything. The learning process slows down when idiots on NFL.com feed the casual fan bullcrap like this. Which is why most comments on Joe Flacco, on almost every website, are uneducated, trollish, spiteful ones.

Just watch the tape. Account for circumstances worth accounting for (countless). For example lack of weapons, playoff drops/misses, OC.

And most importantly career win % in regular/post season.

When you do all that, there's no way Joe comes out of that overrated.

*drops mic*

 

+1 for dropping the mic and walking swiftly off stage. lol

 

The only thing that bothers me is that when our own fans act like the dummies on TV and still bash Joe.

[flynismo]

Flacco could cure cancer, end world hunger, lower pollution, make the unemployment rate go down, finally establish world peace, and PEOPLE WOULD STILL HATE HIM

I can see it now...

they would bash him for having the "deer in headlights" look on his face while negotiating world peace successfully, get bashed for not being a vocal enough leader while rallying the economy to heights it has never seen before, and then criticized for curing cancer because although his cure is 100% effective, his research (regular season) wasn't 3l1e. So then they just hand the Nobel prizes to a true genius who clearly is more deserving, like Matt Ryan

[SecretAgentMan]

I can see it now...

they would bash him for having the "deer in headlights" look on his face while negotiating world peace successfully, get bashed for not being a vocal enough leader while rallying the economy to heights it has never seen before, and then criticized for curing cancer because although his cure is 100% effective, his research (regular season) wasn't 3l1e. So then they just hand the Nobel prizes to a true genius who clearly is more deserving, like Matt Ryan

LMAO. That would happen if he did all those things.

 

But what did he lob to Boldin?

[flynismo]

 

 

But what did he lob to Boldin?

 

A lucky pass. If you say otherwise you are clearly a jaded homer.

[SecretAgentMan]

A lucky pass. If you say otherwise you are clearly a jaded homer.

I forgot. His lack of being "box office" already makes most of the public eye thinks his arm is lesser than the all powerful Tim Tebow. If he does complete a pass, it's sheer luck. Time to bench Joe for Tyrod ;)

[Gordo52]

Lmao. I wonder if Joe ever occasionally comes on and reads stuff like this. He would be cracking up. This is gold.

[Gordo52]

Lmao. I wonder if Joe ever occasionally comes on here and reads stuff like this. This is gold.

"Deer in the headlights while successfully negotiating world peace". I get the funniest visual of that!!

[callahan09]

Im a ravens fan and even I know he is overrated. QBs don't win SBs, teams win SBs. The Ravens were a balanced team last year. I acknowledge that the defense took a step down last year and Joe Flacco stepped up, but they won their games as team. There were 13 QBs who threw more yards, there were some who threw 4000, even 5000. Maybe another 13 who threw more TDs, at least 5 of which had like 30 tds or more. His passer rating was average at 87, 20 QBs had better ratings. and a number of those guys had completion %s in the upper 60s. Flacco had a 59.7. I realize post season wins are big, but lets get real. A guy like Drew Brees on the Ravens would be winning the SB every year. Im not saying Flacco sucks, hes definitely good. Hes a franchise QB. But his highest paid player contract and super bowl MVP should've been more than enough to satisfy any Flacco fanboy. If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true.

 

For one thing, Flacco's passer rating ranked 12th last year, not 21st.

 

And about those bulk numbers, Flacco played approximately a full game less than all of those guys ahead of him, because he sat out almost an entire game coupled with significant portions in the fourth quarter of two others (Week 1 against Cincinnati and also against Oakland).

 

He also played against the #1 pass defense twice, the #3 pass defense, the #7 pass defense twice, and the #9 pass defense.  That's 6 games against top 10 pass defenses.

 

And he has played in a run-first offense coached by Cam Cameron.

 

The fact that his numbers don't *appear* to be better than other QBs is a deceptive statistical feature.  He doesn't have elite receivers, he hadn't had even a decent offensive coordinator, he plays in the kind of offensive system that doesn't make it easy for a QB and doesn't showcase big bulky QB stats, and he plays against the toughest defenses.  And despite all of that, he protects the football and makes very few mistakes (he has one of the lowest turnover percentages in the league) and wins games.