Joe Flacco called overrated on NFL.com

[PurpleCorsair]

Flacco is this era's Aikman.

[beanfigger]

Flacco is this era's Aikman.

 

Leader of a dynasty and a Hall of Famer?  I'll take it.

[ratedr]

that's true

Someone once told me that Flacco is just another "Ben or Eli."

My response was "I freaking hope so."

They'll always be underrated because fans care more about stats, good looks, and cute commercials than wins.

[ravens533]

You know, all these people (analyst, other team's players and fans) who don't understand or appreciate what a great QB Flacco is remind me of the saying "Don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up"

[Neil]

W/L is the most important thing, sure.  But for a lot of these analysts, completion percentage comes pretty close.

[Ravensfan23]

Im a ravens fan and even I know he is overrated. QBs don't win SBs, teams win SBs. The Ravens were a balanced team last year. I acknowledge that the defense took a step down last year and Joe Flacco stepped up, but they won their games as team. There were 13 QBs who threw more yards, there were some who threw 4000, even 5000. Maybe another 13 who threw more TDs, at least 5 of which had like 30 tds or more. His passer rating was average at 87, 20 QBs had better ratings. and a number of those guys had completion %s in the upper 60s. Flacco had a 59.7. I realize post season wins are big, but lets get real. A guy like Drew Brees on the Ravens would be winning the SB every year. Im not saying Flacco sucks, hes definitely good. Hes a franchise QB. But his highest paid player contract and super bowl MVP should've been more than enough to satisfy any Flacco fanboy. If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true.

 

I swore myself off the whole Flacco debate. The guy brought a Super Bowl Trophy here and he put the team on his back to do so, nuff said.

 

However I have to ask because I'm a bit confused at the amount of people who use this same logic that seems flawed to me. If QBs don't win SBs TEAMS win SB, why is it even important to list all the QBs who had better stats but didn't win a SB? He tied a NFL record for most TDs thrown without a INT in a playoff run, yet he's only part of the team? I can take that. But what does it matter that Peyton Manning threw more yards and TDs in the regular season when he couldn't get pass Flacco's team in the playoffs? Last year everyone told me that the head to head QB matchup was stupid when saying Flacco outplayed Brady in the AFC Championship because Brady had to face a great Ravens D while Flacco played a poor Pats D. Well this year Flacco had to face a strong Broncos D while Peyton played a average Ravens D, yet that doesn't count now?

 

And some of these things you didn't say, I'm just using your post because the logic seems to be the same in most cases. Tom Brady was a good QB, but nothing special when he won his 3 Super Bowl and nobody cared about his numbers. He had a really good Defense and balanced offense. He never passed for more then 3,700yds or surpassed 28 TDs. If you took the names away and put Flacco and Brady's stats from their first 5 years side by side you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Yet because Brady's TEAM won 3 Super Bowls over that time period he's one of the greatest to play the QB position and Flacco is overrated because his TEAM has helped his success as well. Brady didn't start having super star numbers until Randy Moss and Wes Welker were added, now stud TEs like Gronk and Hernadez. Does that not mean his weapons help him, thus making the TEAM around him good? The only think that has stopped the Falcons from winning a Super Bowl is Matt Ryan has come up short in those playoff games. I could easily say, if Flacco had White, Jones, Tony G and got to play in a Dome 9 games a year, which his playoff success he would have easily won 2-3 Super Bowl already. But that would be foolish because you never know how a season plays out. In most cases Matt Ryan has played well enough to win Playoff games and he doesn't make any more mistakes then Drew Brees does. It's just the Falcons have had bad breaks like 0-3 on 4th and shorts against the NYG.

 

I just don't understand this and probably never well. In fact i just realized why I stoped particiating in the Joe Flacco debates. I've watched every throw this guy has made since his very first pass attempt in NE on August 7, 2008 when he looked like a deer lost in the headlights. I've watched him grow into a Super Bowl MVP and for my money he's a prefect fit for the team I love to cheer for. I could care less what other people have to say about it. Players play, Coaches coach, Fans cheer, and the media find ways to spark interest. I'm cool with that.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Until Flacco puts up FANTASY FOOTBALL numbers...he will never be considered a true elite QB and given his respect....

 

..and unfortunately he may never post those numbers in a Ravens offense, never say never though

 

he may very well do that this year.   You nvr know

[Corvus]

W/L is the most important thing, sure.  But for a lot of these analysts, completion percentage comes pretty close.

That and 4,500+ passing yards and 30+ TDs every season. The problem with that is look at the QBs putting up these numbers: Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. None of those guys except Tom Brady last year and early in his career have had anything more than average at best running games to balance things out. They HAVE to make up the difference on offense for their team to win games, and props to them because all 4 guys mentioned have demonstrated the greatness to do just that (except Peyton Manning in the playoffs that is sans 1 season, haha). The Ravens will always have guys like Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, etc to churn out yards on the ground and more often than not churn them out with great success. Joe will never be that guy and the team doesn't need him to be except when the game is on the line and he has proved multiple times that he is up for that task. I think Joe does get right around 4,000-4,200 yd mark this year and sets a new personal season high in TD passes (I'm thinking 28-30 sounds about right) with more freedom in the offense, but Joe is the perfect QB for this team and will continue to be a winner, and I think we're all more than fine with that.

[IH EART DA RAVENS]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000213749/article/are-baltimore-ravens-overrated-in-top-100-players

 

I didn't know they let Rosenthal go back to writing about football, I thought he was just there for human interest stories.

[Neil]

That and 4,500+ passing yards and 30+ TDs every season. The problem with that is look at the QBs putting up these numbers: Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. None of those guys except Tom Brady last year and early in his career have had anything more than average at best running games to balance things out. They HAVE to make up the difference on offense for their team to win games, and props to them because all 4 guys mentioned have demonstrated the greatness to do just that (except Peyton Manning in the playoffs that is sans 1 season, haha). The Ravens will always have guys like Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, etc to churn out yards on the ground and more often than not churn them out with great success. Joe will never be that guy and the team doesn't need him to be except when the game is on the line and he has proved multiple times that he is up for that task. I think Joe does get right around 4,000-4,200 yd mark this year and sets a new personal season high in TD passes (I'm thinking 28-30 sounds about right) with more freedom in the offense, but Joe is the perfect QB for this team and will continue to be a winner, and I think we're all more than fine with that.

I wonder though, if the personnel decisions that give them weak RBs and lines that don't run block especially well are a result of their ability to put up those huge passing numbers, rather than the cause?

[Guest RBates]

Im a ravens fan and even I know he is overrated. QBs don't win SBs, teams win SBs. The Ravens were a balanced team last year. I acknowledge that the defense took a step down last year and Joe Flacco stepped up, but they won their games as team. There were 13 QBs who threw more yards, there were some who threw 4000, even 5000. Maybe another 13 who threw more TDs, at least 5 of which had like 30 tds or more. His passer rating was average at 87, 20 QBs had better ratings. and a number of those guys had completion %s in the upper 60s. Flacco had a 59.7. I realize post season wins are big, but lets get real. A guy like Drew Brees on the Ravens would be winning the SB every year. Im not saying Flacco sucks, hes definitely good. Hes a franchise QB. But his highest paid player contract and super bowl MVP should've been more than enough to satisfy any Flacco fanboy. If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true.

Lmao this is so true!!!!!!!!  Ravens fans please read.  So tired of the senseless debates.  

[hawkprey]

Lmao this is so true!!!!!!!!  Ravens fans please read.  So tired of the senseless debates.  

The idea that wins are a team statistic but passer rating isn't is the dumbest football argument anyone's ever presented. 

[Guest RBates]

The idea that wins are a team statistic but passer rating isn't is the dumbest football argument anyone's ever presented. 

I think you are missing his point, you might need to read it again.  It wasn't just about passer rating.

 

He didn't present that with the intent to argue or at least i hope not.  Facts are facts.   

[poescrows]

Flacco is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL .*sigh*. As for these talking heads who keep bashing him, they are all has-been's or never-were's. The guys who PLAY the game put him inside the top 20....fair enough. Without Cam holding him back in 2013, I think we'll make a deep playoff run and the players will put Joe inside the top 10 for 2014........ hoorah!

[ratedr]

Still trying to figure out what throwing for a lot of yards means if you're not winning. Can someone please help me?

[Ravensfan23]

I think you are missing his point, you might need to read it again.  It wasn't just about passer rating.

 

He didn't present that with the intent to argue or at least i hope not.  Facts are facts.   

 

The Fact is Flacco came a drop pass away from playing in back to back Super Bowls. I'm not saying you're wrong for your opinion of Flacco because it's your opinion and I don't get paid any money for supporting Flacco. However you can't tell me that the point of his post was that Flacco is average because he finished middle of the pack in stats and had a balanced team help him win a Super Bowl and then turn around and say TEAMs when championships as if nobody was catching the passing of Brees and Brady. If the Ravens had lost to the Broncos, nobody would have said Peyton was lucky to get 2 Special Teams TDs and that's why he won the game. They would have just marveled at his greatness as he and Brady squared off in the AFC Championship. The same way nobody cared that it was a dropped pass and missed FG that allowed Brady to play in the Super Bowl last year despite playing like crap against the Ravens.

 

I'm sorry, you can't have it both ways. You can't praise the greatness of numbers when they may or may not have come at curcial points of games, then turn around and say Flacco isn't as good as some QB with better numbers but sitting at home watching him have one of the greatest playoff runs of anyone. I'm not saying Flacco is the best in the NFL, although I do think he'll have a MVP caliber season this year, but to call him overrated is crazy imo. As for the money, that's the nature of the business. Terrell Suggs was paid as one of the highest players at his position even though he only had 2 double digit sack seasons in 6 years and I don't remember many people complaining about that deal. That's just the nature of the system, hate the NFL not Flacco for the mega deal.

[Ravenslifer]

This is a completely pointless debate.  The same people that call Flacco overrated because he doesn't put up big numbers go flying off the hook when Rice doesn't get enough touches and start saying we're misusing our personnel.  You can't have it both ways.  And the same people who continually say stats don't matter are so quick to point to stats when trashing Flacco it's not even funny anymore.  The truth is people who don't like Flacco for whatever reason will try to find whatever argument they can to "prove" he's overrated.

[Ravensfan23]

Still trying to figure out what throwing for a lot of yards means if you're not winning. Can someone please help me?

 

It means.....Hey I'm a new aged fan, I could really care less about the overall outcome of games, I just need you to help me win my fantasy football league. Super Bowl championships are only for fools who think that Football is actually played among real people who spend so much time working hard to beat their opponents. My kind doesn't think that way, I strong feel if I don't have a controller in my hand or I'm not sitting in front of a PC watching stats that it's not real football. I'd rather have a QB that's gonna pass for a lot of yards even in garbage time and help me win my Fantasy League or get a better rating on Madden then a QB who's willing to sacirfice his personal stats for the better of the team. Real football isn't about the inches between a game winning TD or Firstdown that the players fight over, it's about whoever ranks up the most yards and total fantasty points.

 

Wins Lie.....Rings Lie....but Fantasty point don't Lie. I really hope this helped you out.

 

Your's Truly,

The Delusional Fan.

 

ps...Please tell Ozzie and Harbs to stop whatever they are doing because it's not working. Winning playoff games, advancing to 3 AFC Championship games and winning a Super Bowl isn't doing anything to help me win my Fantasty League.

[easternshore97]

Im a ravens fan and even I know he is overrated. QBs don't win SBs, teams win SBs. The Ravens were a balanced team last year. I acknowledge that the defense took a step down last year and Joe Flacco stepped up, but they won their games as team. There were 13 QBs who threw more yards, there were some who threw 4000, even 5000. Maybe another 13 who threw more TDs, at least 5 of which had like 30 tds or more. His passer rating was average at 87, 20 QBs had better ratings. and a number of those guys had completion %s in the upper 60s. Flacco had a 59.7. I realize post season wins are big, but lets get real. A guy like Drew Brees on the Ravens would be winning the SB every year. Im not saying Flacco sucks, hes definitely good. Hes a franchise QB. But his highest paid player contract and super bowl MVP should've been more than enough to satisfy any Flacco fanboy. If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true.

Not sure. Who is it that over rates him? If anything, I would say the variance between those who dog him vs praise him is probably not that large. So what then would constitute a guy being overrated? Contract? If contract, they were about to pay him a similar contract as Matt Schaub (well...at least salary/yr that is....and I think that would have been a poor assessment). Ravens rolled the dice and then had to pay the premium.

 

Re: Drew Brees, that's a bit of a stretch. The same team went to the playoffs the following year and lost to a 7-9 team that went on to lose the following week. Ravens had Steve "Air" McNair, may he rest in peace, and they were one and done. Tom Brady played on a 18-0 team and lost to the Giants

[Ravensfan23]

This is a completely pointless debate.  The same people that call Flacco overrated because he doesn't put up big numbers go flying off the hook when Rice doesn't get enough touches and start saying we're misusing our personnel.  You can't have it both ways.  And the same people who continually say stats don't matter are so quick to point to stats when trashing Flacco it's not even funny anymore.  The truth is people who don't like Flacco for whatever reason will try to find whatever argument they can to "prove" he's overrated.

 

Don't forget the famous. Flacco doesn't win games by himself the team does. But when a player like Lee Evans, Bodlin or Housh drops a pass that changes the outcome of a game, if Flacco is the guy who's blamed for not getting it done.

 

OR They say, Flacco is the dumpoff King. All he does is look for his TEs and then Ray Rice. Then when he passed deep all he does is throw jump ball. Yet they praise Brady for using Welker in the short passing game 2 yards away from the LOS and a guy like Stafford for giving Megatron a chance to make a play. lol

 

Or they say, If we had another QB we would have won the Super Bowl every year, as if anyone as done that ever? But turn right around and talk about how bad the WR corp sucks. Someone please explain to me how ARod would have gotten lee evans to hold onto the perfect thrown ball? or how Brees would have gotten Boldin not to drop the potential TD that would have given the Ravens a 28-24 lead late in Pittsburgh? or How Peyton would have been able to attack that Broncos defense in the only area they were weak and that deep when he couldn't even barely throw the ball 15 yards in that playoff game?

 

At some point I start thinking it's their way of bringing laugher when everyone is bored. We just gotta realize the joke and start laughing.

[beanfigger]

Im a ravens fan and even I know he is overrated. QBs don't win SBs, teams win SBs. The Ravens were a balanced team last year. I acknowledge that the defense took a step down last year and Joe Flacco stepped up, but they won their games as team. There were 13 QBs who threw more yards, there were some who threw 4000, even 5000. Maybe another 13 who threw more TDs, at least 5 of which had like 30 tds or more. His passer rating was average at 87, 20 QBs had better ratings. and a number of those guys had completion %s in the upper 60s. Flacco had a 59.7. I realize post season wins are big, but lets get real. A guy like Drew Brees on the Ravens would be winning the SB every year. Im not saying Flacco sucks, hes definitely good. Hes a franchise QB. But his highest paid player contract and super bowl MVP should've been more than enough to satisfy any Flacco fanboy. If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true.

 

Drew Brees had the same OC his first five seasons as Flacco had, and his numbers were worse across the board.  Look it up.  Every single stat is lower, so if that's your basis, you need to do a little more research.  If success is your basis, look at how well Brees did in the playoffs his first five seasons with Cam Cameron.  Your argument is completely invalid.

[easternshore97]

Don't forget the famous. Flacco doesn't win games by himself the team does. But when a player like Lee Evans, Bodlin or Housh drops a pass that changes the outcome of a game, if Flacco is the guy who's blamed for not getting it done.

 

OR They say, Flacco is the dumpoff King. All he does is look for his TEs and then Ray Rice. Then when he passed deep all he does is throw jump ball. Yet they praise Brady for using Welker in the short passing game 2 yards away from the LOS and a guy like Stafford for giving Megatron a chance to make a play. lol

 

Or they say, If we had another QB we would have won the Super Bowl every year, as if anyone as done that ever? But turn right around and talk about how bad the WR corp sucks. Someone please explain to me how ARod would have gotten lee evans to hold onto the perfect thrown ball? or how Brees would have gotten Boldin not to drop the potential TD that would have given the Ravens a 28-24 lead late in Pittsburgh? or How Peyton would have been able to attack that Broncos defense in the only area they were weak and that deep when he couldn't even barely throw the ball 15 yards in that playoff game?

 

At some point I start thinking it's their way of bringing laugher when everyone is bored. We just gotta realize the joke and start laughing.

Amen Amen and Amen?

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Im a ravens fan and even I know he is overrated. QBs don't win SBs, teams win SBs. The Ravens were a balanced team last year. I acknowledge that the defense took a step down last year and Joe Flacco stepped up, but they won their games as team. There were 13 QBs who threw more yards, there were some who threw 4000, even 5000. Maybe another 13 who threw more TDs, at least 5 of which had like 30 tds or more. His passer rating was average at 87, 20 QBs had better ratings. and a number of those guys had completion %s in the upper 60s. Flacco had a 59.7. I realize post season wins are big, but lets get real. A guy like Drew Brees on the Ravens would be winning the SB every year. Im not saying Flacco sucks, hes definitely good. Hes a franchise QB. But his highest paid player contract and super bowl MVP should've been more than enough to satisfy any Flacco fanboy. If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true.

 

 

What in the world did I just read?Are you being sarcastic in this comment?A "qb like Drew Brees" puts up great stats because he leads the league in passing attempts every year.Not because hes better than everybody else.Why would you expect for Flacco to best Drew Brees in passing stats last year when he threw the balls 109 less times than Brees?It sounds like you're judging how good a qb is based off how good he does for you in fantasy football.Everytime we try to turn into a pass first offense,ravens fans get afraid of change and then have the nerve to wonder why Flacco isn't top 5 in stats.The reason so many people say Rodgers is the best qb in the league is because he's the only qb in the league who can put up gaudy stats on a modest number of attempts.Even Mark Sanchez would throw for 5000 yards and 40 tds if you let him throw the ball enough times.Lastly,"If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true."  that makes no sense.If a majority thinks someone is so overrated,wouldn't that make that player underrated?The logic in that sentence goes against the very definition of overrated.

[Inqui]

Seriously, is that list still going? What has it been, like two months now? Just finish it already, gees.

[Cville-Raven]

Sounds about right. Yeah.

I think Flacco should be higher but everyone should have expected this lol.

My biggest problem is that RG3 is the most overrated player on the entire list. He's a good player but I can't at putting him this high. I honestly wonder if this is a fix and Dan Snyder voted him this high or something.

Am I the only person that wasn't that impressed by him when we played them. All of his throws were across the middle to wide open targets. His run game was getting everything they wanted and then some. To me he seemed very game manager esque.

[ellicottraven]

If this doesn't affect Joe enough that he gives a flying monkey's behind, why should we pay heed to these idiotic naysayers people? Why?

[flynismo]

Im a ravens fan and even I know he is overrated. QBs don't win SBs, teams win SBs. The Ravens were a balanced team last year. I acknowledge that the defense took a step down last year and Joe Flacco stepped up, but they won their games as team. There were 13 QBs who threw more yards, there were some who threw 4000, even 5000. Maybe another 13 who threw more TDs, at least 5 of which had like 30 tds or more. His passer rating was average at 87, 20 QBs had better ratings. and a number of those guys had completion %s in the upper 60s. Flacco had a 59.7. I realize post season wins are big, but lets get real. A guy like Drew Brees on the Ravens would be winning the SB every year. Im not saying Flacco sucks, hes definitely good. Hes a franchise QB. But his highest paid player contract and super bowl MVP should've been more than enough to satisfy any Flacco fanboy. If the majority of PEOPLE think he is overrated (which include Ravens fans such as myself), then its probably true.

Just put the crack pipe down and step away from the keyboard. Please and thank you!

[Grendelwulf21]

They can say anything they want, they can hate us with all their heart, but the Ravens are still Superbowl Champions and Flacco is forever the MVP of that game

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2NU98NZF8o

[balimore]

Russel Willson got snabbed in the ranking as well.

[display name]

I do believe that he was rated a little too high (his stats in this year's regular season were solid, but not elite), but so is their darling Robert Griffin.