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How the hell is my secondary average?

I've got a shutdown guy in Shields,

 

- that's about what you got there

 

A potential #1 in Slay,

 

- potential is the main word here, he's no different to my banks in that perspective

 

And a good slot guy who was a #1 last year in NO, and one of the few on that defense that was good.

 

- NO's D was a mess last year

 

Sure, Verner has never played FS before, but Mikell is a very good SS.

 

- Verner was moved to FS as Titans are not confident on him as a CB, so that's up in the air; Mikkel was fine last year and he'll be 33 years old soon after the season starts, still FA

 

i'm not attacking your team in any way, i'm giving you my honest opinion; as i said i see your team as a playoffs team, but not as high as top five; to put things into perspective, Ravens weren't within the top five favourites to win the SB last year when playoffs started...

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I'm going to keep you at four......

Your D(lol) is still a top one, but Ravens_ and Ray the Day have better defenses. Ravensdan has a better offense. Maybe the best in the game

I don't agree about the defenses, but ravensdan definitely has a great offense. I'm a little concerned about the weapons he has for Rodgers but it should be very good.

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i'm not attacking your team in any way, i'm giving you my honest opinion; as i said i see your team as a playoffs team, but not as high as top five; to put thing into perspective, Ravens weren't within the top five favourites to win the SB last year when playoffs started...

NO's D was a mess but Greer was one of the few that preformed lol. But I've been high on Slay for awhile. He's a great athlete. Very high ceiling.

 

Greer should take out the third man. That's not hard.

 

Mikell is good.

 

Verner and Slay are up in the air, but I like Slay.

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I don't agree about the defenses, but ravensdan definitely has a great offense. I'm a little concerned about the weapons he has for Rodgers but it should be very good.

It's Rodgers. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jennings drop off without him

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i'm not attacking your team in any way, i'm giving you my honest opinion; as i said i see your team as a playoffs team, but not as high as top five; to put thing into perspective, Ravens weren't within the top five favourites to win the SB last year when playoffs started...

Lol, I get that.

 

But my real weaknesses are at QB and Safety.

 

But I've provided Freeman with weapons that can tear up a defense, and an oline that excels in pass pro. He should improve with that.

 

I think y'all underestimate how good Chandler Jones is tho. I think he could be a STUD pass rusher in the future and just go on a tear. 8 sacks as a rookie is good.

 

I have two potential double digit sack artists, along with other good pass rushers in Harris(for a MLB), Canty, and Sly Williams.

 

I think it's top 5 because I have a good team AS A WHOLE.

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It's Rodgers. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jennings drop off without him

I Agree. I just think the receivers are very similar in what they bring from a skill set perspective. Not sure there is a go to move the chains type, but Im also not that high on Hopkins. He could be that player.

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Colon was actually rated very highly this year at guard in both pass pro and run blocking......

he graded out as a top-15 run-blocking guard and top-25 pass blocker in Pro Football Focus' 2012 ratings; still i think he would be in trouble against a good pass rush

 

Gordon being lost for two games is big and all, but I have compensation for that. The offense is going to be centered around AJ Green those two games. All they do in Cinci is lob it up to him anyway. How hard is that?

- your depth at WR after Green and Gordon is Andrew Hawkins and Julian Edelman? how did Green do vs Ravens in his games played so far? if a team will neutralise him like we did, you're dead in the water for the first two games; at TE you got rookie Ertz...

 

I have the best medical staff in the NFL...... I'm not worried about Murray, and in the FA thing I'm making sure to get a viable backup.

- personally i like Murray, wanted him myself but he does get injured a lot... so you might struggle running the ball and defenses will adapt defending the pass more after...

 

Freeman, with a great oline and great weapons. And a QB who could easily over take the guy.....

- he had a good 10-6 season, when TB played quite an easy schedule; last year, with my fav WR on his team and a huge running game, he struggled mighty... and Geno's currently having some trouble taking the job from Sanchez

 

All my olinemen excel in pass pro. 4/5 are among the best in the game in this department...

- there's no depth here and not much versatility for my liking

 

Romo is a choker, Locker is VERY unproven. I give you Ray the Day......

- but he's better than freeman; didn't this one take one of the bottom teams of the league to almost playoffs in his first year being mostly injured? (plus Moore's better than Geno and Freeman); nice lol...

 

Oh, and the  "Freeman sucks" thing?

He has a pro bowl to his name. When he's on, HE'S ON.

He's inconsistent as hell, I've given him weapons and protection to help him.

- please see above

 

I actually had nothing to do with these rankings... Gabe made them all, except his own ranking. Which I couldn't put past the other teams because of the defenses.

- and you ranked him one place lower than I would've done lol...

 

SAM's team's only real weakness is at QB. Murray is a concern, but when healthy he is a top 10 RB. Having a player miss 2 games is not really a big knock.

i'd say that's a big weakness to have; i'm afraid that when playoffs come around he might be too banged up, though i agree with your assessment of his (Murray's) talent; missing your 2nd WR for a couple with no real depth there could mean 0-2 start

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i'd say that's a big weakness to have; i'm afraid that when playoffs come around he might be too banged up, though i agree with your assessment of his talent; missing your 2nd WR for a couple with no real depth there could mean 0-2 start

Hawkins was very productive and his #1 is the 2nd best WR in the game. Freeman might be too banged up? Where do you come up with these bogus arguments lol. He has an excellent OL and Freeman is only 1 piece. Yes, the QB is important but you can do a lot worse. If that was the only position that mattered we could have ended the draft after the first pick.

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Hawkins was very productive and his #1 is the 2nd best WR in the game. Freeman might be too banged up? Where do you come up with these bogus arguments lol. He has an excellent OL and Freeman is only 1 piece. Yes, the QB is important but you can do a lot worse. If that was the only position that mattered we could have ended the draft after the first pick.

you were talking about Murray! weren't you? i bolded the first of your comments as being the most important and answered all three but separating them with ";"

if i have a different opinion to yours it doesn't mean it's a bogus argument I'm having, please pay attention on what the discussion at hand is

 

ps: Green did nothing in four games vs Ravens did he? and Calvin's the top WR and Lions didn't make the playoffs, did they? or T3hRavens team... yes a team is a cumulation of players coming together and missing one could affect the overall game (especially when rosters are so thin)

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you were talking about Murray! weren't you? i bolded the first of your comments as being the most important and answered all three but separating them with ";"

if i have a different opinion to yours it doesn't mean it's a bogus argument I'm having, please pay attention on what the discussion at hand is

ps: Green did nothing in four games vs Ravens did he? and Calvin's the top WR and Lions didn't make the playoffs, did they? or T3hRavens team... yes a team is a cumulation of players coming together and missing one could affect the overall game (especially when rosters are so thin)

I think you need to explain yourself better before you start casting stones. Murray is a concern on SAMs team. That was taken into consideration in the ranking. I obviously misread what you wrote and it did sound bogus.

What does Greens performance against the Ravens have to do with anything? Maybe it is because his QB isn't the best or maybe because in 1 game he was hurt, in another he barely played, and the third game he was a rookie and hadn't really established himself. Please if you can't see the talent in AJ you are blind.

Overall though you are missing the point. Nitpicking at little details while ignoring the overall product.

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I think you need to explain yourself better before you start casting stones. Murray is a concern on SAMs team. That was taken into consideration in the ranking. I obviously misread what you wrote and it did sound bogus.

What does Greens performance against the Ravens have to do with anything? Maybe it is because his QB isn't the best or maybe because in 1 game he was hurt, in another he barely played, and the third game he was a rookie and hadn't really established himself. Please if you can't see the talent in AJ you are blind.

Overall though you are missing the point. Nitpicking at little details while ignoring the overall product.

 

i'm just giving my honest opinion, as said before... not attacking anybody's team, that they spent time and energy putting together... to put it into perspective, it's pretty much the same with the honesty you gave us (and especially Steelers lol) by ranking our teams; also, when one makes a mistake, usually apologizes...

 

Green's performance vs Ravens can tell one that he might struggle vs the better teams for example, the ones that know how to plan for him; I didn't say he's not talented, far from it - he's got huge talent, but will struggle as well if there's no help (like with Gordon being out) and Freeman's not that much different to Dalton; I do wear glasses, but please stop coming at me in this manner, it really spoils the fun this game gave us (for which i did - and do again - thank you for providing)

 

there is no point to be made when you're between fellow fans that try to have proper conversations; it's the little details that make / fine tune the overall product

 

ps: if you don't mind, this magnificent saying could also be applied above "Every man's life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and how he died that distinguish one man from another."

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i'm just giving my honest opinion, as said before... not attacking anybody's team, that they spent time and energy putting together... to put it into perspective, it's pretty much the same with the honesty you gave us (and especially Steelers lol) by ranking our teams; also, when one makes a mistake, usually apologizes...

Green's performance vs Ravens can tell one that he might struggle vs the better teams for example, the ones that know how to plan for him; I didn't say he's not talented, far from it - he's got huge talent, but will struggle as well if there's no help (like with Gordon being out) and Freeman's not that much different to Dalton; I do wear glasses, but please stop coming at me in this manner, it really spoils the fun this game gave us (for which i did - and do again - thank you for providing)

there is no point to be made when you're between fellow fans that try to have proper conversations; it's the little details that make / fine tune the overall product

ps: if you don't mind, this magnificent saying could also be applied above "Every man's life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and how he died that distinguish one man from another."

If I'm correct, Green did good vs PIT?

And Dalton sucks.

And Alexander just tore his ACL

Glass Houses.....

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I Agree. I just think the receivers are very similar in what they bring from a skill set perspective. Not sure there is a go to move the chains type, but Im also not that high on Hopkins. He could be that player.

Yes I expect Hopkins to be that guy. He has fantastic hands and concentration in traffic. In all honesty I am less confident in my tight end position. I like kelce but he is less of a sure thing than Hopkins is to me.

From rotoworld:

As CSN Houston puts it, Hopkins' best day was Wednesday until he excelled on Thursday. Then Thursday was his best day until Friday. The No. 27 overall pick and clear-cut starting "Z" receiver continues to make big plays on a daily basis. "All the contested stuff is what he's exceptional at, when it's close and it's him and another guy, he makes the play," coach Gary Kubiak said. Hopkins is a WR4 with upside in re-draft and one of the best Dynasty prospects in this rookie class. Aug 5 - 9:48 AM

Also FYI the reports in broyles are that he is running and cutting and running precise routes. Showing no ill effects from the acl.

There is one guy I really wanted that would have been ideal for this offense and that was lance Moore. Taken just before my pick.

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i'm just giving my honest opinion, as said before... not attacking anybody's team, that they spent time and energy putting together... to put it into perspective, it's pretty much the same with the honesty you gave us (and especially Steelers lol) by ranking our teams; also, when one makes a mistake, usually apologizes...

 

Green's performance vs Ravens can tell one that he might struggle vs the better teams for example, the ones that know how to plan for him; I didn't say he's not talented, far from it - he's got huge talent, but will struggle as well if there's no help (like with Gordon being out) and Freeman's not that much different to Dalton; I do wear glasses, but please stop coming at me in this manner, it really spoils the fun this game gave us (for which i did - and do again - thank you for providing)

 

there is no point to be made when you're between fellow fans that try to have proper conversations; it's the little details that make / fine tune the overall product

 

ps: if you don't mind, this magnificent saying could also be applied above "Every man's life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and how he died that distinguish one man from another."

Hmm. Still not getting your argument, but its not worth talking about. You keep trying to make it personal for some reason. Not interested.

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Yes I expect Hopkins to be that guy. He has fantastic hands and concentration in traffic. In all honesty I am less confident in my tight end position. I like kelce but he is less of a sure thing than Hopkins is to me.

From rotoworld:

As CSN Houston puts it, Hopkins' best day was Wednesday until he excelled on Thursday. Then Thursday was his best day until Friday. The No. 27 overall pick and clear-cut starting "Z" receiver continues to make big plays on a daily basis. "All the contested stuff is what he's exceptional at, when it's close and it's him and another guy, he makes the play," coach Gary Kubiak said. Hopkins is a WR4 with upside in re-draft and one of the best Dynasty prospects in this rookie class. Aug 5 - 9:48 AM

Also FYI the reports in broyles are that he is running and cutting and running precise routes. Showing no ill effects from the acl.

There is one guy I really wanted that would have been ideal for this offense and that was lance Moore. Taken just before my pick.

I'm still not sold on Hopkins. I will believe it when I see it. I think he can be a very good #2, but his upside is limited IMO. I'm not sure you have that #1 WR on your roster, but then again you have Aaron Rodgers so if anyone can get the most our of his recievers it will be him.

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Hmm. Still not getting your argument, but its not worth talking about. You keep trying to make it personal for some reason. Not interested.

What did I miss lol?

Is my team not top ten because my QB isn't as good as other QBs?

My WR #2 is suspended for a mere two games?

That Murray will prob miss 3-4 games this season(in fake FA I have a plan)?

That my pass rush is "average"?

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Green's performance vs Ravens can tell one that he might struggle vs the better teams for example, the ones that know how to plan for him; I didn't say he's not talented, far from it - he's got huge talent, but will struggle as well if there's no help (like with Gordon being out) and Freeman's not that much different to Dalton; I do wear glasses, but please stop coming at me in this manner, it really spoils the fun this game gave us (for which i did - and do again - thank you for providing)

ps: if you don't mind, this magnificent saying could also be applied above "Every man's life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and how he died that distinguish one man from another."

I must disagree with your statement here. First off any wide receiver can be taken out of a game. Especially when the other weapons and the qb and the offensive game plan are all limited. The bears were able to take Calvin out of the game for example and the lions are superior to the bengals in all the aspects I listed. Now j must say I like Freeman's potential to build around. Look what he was able to do with Vincent Jackson last year for example. Hawkins is a nice underutilized weapon in cincy. If he was used correctly he could be as effective as Randall Cobb.

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I'm still not sold on Hopkins. I will believe it when I see it. I think he can be a very good #2, but his upside is limited IMO. I'm not sure you have that #1 WR on your roster, but then again you have Aaron Rodgers so if anyone can get the most our of his recievers it will be him.

I like Hopkins. I don't think he'll be a a superstar, but he's a very solid WR. I think he can be a #1 option
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I must disagree with your statement here. First off any wide receiver can be taken out of a game. Especially when the other weapons and the qb and the offensive game plan are all limited. The bears were able to take Calvin out of the game for example and the lions are superior to the bengals in all the aspects I listed. Now j must say I like Freeman's potential to build around. Look what he was able to do with Vincent Jackson last year for example. Hawkins is a nice underutilized weapon in cincy. If he was used correctly he could be as effective as Randall Cobb.

And for two games(if it were a whole season it would be different)

Edelman is not a bad substitute.

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What did I miss lol?

Is my team not top ten because my QB isn't as good as other QBs?

My WR #2 is suspended for a mere two games?

That Murray will prob miss 3-4 games this season(in fake FA I have a plan)?

That my pass rush is "average"?

I like Murray as a feature back but he has been slowed by injury every year. I AMA firm believer in a strong backfield rotation, so I would say that is your biggest weakness on offense actually.

On d, your pass rush is nice lead by spencer and jones(who I believe really breaks out this year). You also have inside rush from canty. I think your biggest weakness o. D is your safeties. I'm not a big fan of either. Verner is yet to be seen what he can do there. However I am a firm believer in building the front of the d first. You can hell coverage with a pass rush but the best coverage in the world will be beaten with no rush.

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I like Murray as a feature back but he has been slowed by injury every year. I AMA firm believer in a strong backfield rotation, so I would say that is your biggest weakness on offense actually.

On d, your pass rush is nice lead by spencer and jones(who I believe really breaks out this year). You also have inside rush from canty. I think your biggest weakness o. D is your safeties. I'm not a big fan of either. Verner is yet to be seen what he can do there. However I am a firm believer in building the front of the d first. You can hell coverage with a pass rush but the best coverage in the world will be beaten with no rush.

Fake Free Agency my targets are RBs/WRs/TEs lol.

Safeties are my only weakness lol. But my CBS are good in coverage so that helps

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I feel like 10 is a little low for my team. It is a pretty balanced group without any glaring weaknesses and also possesses a few strengths that can take games over.

 

On offense Kaepernick is a bit raw but he is already a well above average QB who is dangerous as a runner and solid (and improving) as a passer. Stewart has some of the best measurables in the league, is young with fresh legs, and has been itching for a bigger role for a while now. He is more than capable of being a feature back and could put up top 10 rushing numbers in my offense. He and Kaep have potential to be elite when it comes to the read option. Brown, Floyd, and McCluster isn't a great WR group by any means, but they complement each other well and will be helped out a lot defenses accounting for the read option. Fasano is a balanced TE who can do a bit of everything. My line is very solid, with an elite LT and C in Roos and Wisniewski, a very solid RT in Herremans, and very promising guards with Boothe and Hudson. 

 

Defense is my team's strong suit and I think it is an elite one. Ware and Long are probably the best pass rushing duo of any team and are good enough combine for 30 sacks themselves. Dareus looks like a future superstar inside and Red Bryant is a great run stuffer when healthy (which he should be this year). Acho and Wheeler are versatile LBs who are strong at both blitzing and dropping into coverage. They should combine for 12+ sacks and 5+ ints in my organized chaos type of defense. Brinkley struggled as a 4-3 MLB but he looks promising as a pure thumper ILB in a 3-4. The secondary isn't as good as the front 7 but they will be solid and should benefit from opposing QBs having little time to throw. Hall is a legitimate #1 CB who can play inside and outside. Trufant is unproven but looks like a potential #1. Robinson had a rough year in NO but he has shown some flashes and will benefit from a reduced role as a #3 who will move Hall inside in nickel situations. Nelson is one of the best coverage FS in the game and Chung is a jack of all trades type of player at SS.

 

This team will win games by keeping possession of the ball with a lot of read option plays and shutting down the opposition with a fearsome pass rush once the lead is secured. If it falls behind, Kaepernick has shown the ability to lead a big time comeback with worse pass catchers than what he has here, and Long/Ware/Dareus will force a lot of mistakes. I think it is absolutely a title contender and deserves a place in the top 5. That's just me though, thanks for taking the time to do all of this analysis. 

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I feel like 10 is a little low for my team. It is a pretty balanced group without any glaring weaknesses and also possesses a few strengths that can take games over.

 

On offense Kaepernick is a bit raw but he is already a well above average QB who is dangerous as a runner and solid (and improving) as a passer. Stewart has some of the best measurables in the league, is young with fresh legs, and has been itching for a bigger role for a while now. He is more than capable of being a feature back and could put up top 10 rushing numbers in my offense. He and Kaep have potential to be elite when it comes to the read option. Brown, Floyd, and McCluster isn't a great WR group by any means, but they complement each other well and will be helped out a lot defenses accounting for the read option. Fasano is a balanced TE who can do a bit of everything. My line is very solid, with an elite LT and C in Roos and Wisniewski, a very solid RT in Herremans, and very promising guards with Boothe and Hudson. 

 

Defense is my team's strong suit and I think it is an elite one. Ware and Long are probably the best pass rushing duo of any team and are good enough combine for 30 sacks themselves. Dareus looks like a future superstar inside and Red Bryant is a great run stuffer when healthy (which he should be this year). Acho and Wheeler are versatile LBs who are strong at both blitzing and dropping into coverage. They should combine for 12+ sacks and 5+ ints in my organized chaos type of defense. Brinkley struggled as a 4-3 MLB but he looks promising as a pure thumper ILB in a 3-4. The secondary isn't as good as the front 7 but they will be solid and should benefit from opposing QBs having little time to throw. Hall is a legitimate #1 CB who can play inside and outside. Trufant is unproven but looks like a potential #1. Robinson had a rough year in NO but he has shown some flashes and will benefit from a reduced role as a #3 who will move Hall inside in nickel situations. Nelson is one of the best coverage FS in the game and Chung is a jack of all trades type of player at SS.

 

This team will win games by keeping possession of the ball with a lot of read option plays and shutting down the opposition with a fearsome pass rush once the lead is secured. If it falls behind, Kaepernick has shown the ability to lead a big time comeback with worse pass catchers than what he has here, and Long/Ware/Dareus will force a lot of mistakes. I think it is absolutely a title contender and deserves a place in the top 5. That's just me though, thanks for taking the time to do all of this analysis. 

Just to explain why your team ranked where they did. First off, I think your team is very good. Being in the top 10 is nothing to sneeze at, and the difference between the 5th best team and the 16th best team was a total of 1 point in my grading scale. You could make an argument for any of those teams. However, when a team has a glaring weakness in any one area it tends to hurt them overall somewhat significantly. 

 

I agree that the pass-rush on your team should be excellent. In fact only one team graded as a better pass-rush unit overall and two others tied. That said, your team has a glaring weakness in run-defense and even though this is a passing league you have to be able to stop the run first. Long and Dareus were both among the worst in the league in run defense at their respective positions. Ware has never been a great run-stuffer and Red Bryant struggled mightily last season in this department as well. None of your LB corps are particularly adept at stopping the run, in fact every single player in your front 7 graded negatively by PFF in this area. 

 

This combined with the secondary that should be decent but not great is why you are rated #10.

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Just to explain why your team ranked where they did. 

Will there be some kind of in-depth analysis for each team?

I'm curious to read about the strength and weaknesses of each team, and especially mine of course.

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Just to explain why your team ranked where they did. First off, I think your team is very good. Being in the top 10 is nothing to sneeze at, and the difference between the 5th best team and the 16th best team was a total of 1 point in my grading scale. You could make an argument for any of those teams. However, when a team has a glaring weakness in any one area it tends to hurt them overall somewhat significantly. 

 

I agree that the pass-rush on your team should be excellent. In fact only one team graded as a better pass-rush unit overall and two others tied. That said, your team has a glaring weakness in run-defense and even though this is a passing league you have to be able to stop the run first. Long and Dareus were both among the worst in the league in run defense at their respective positions. Ware has never been a great run-stuffer and Red Bryant struggled mightily last season in this department as well. None of your LB corps are particularly adept at stopping the run, in fact every single player in your front 7 graded negatively by PFF in this area. 

 

This combined with the secondary that should be decent but not great is why you are rated #10.

Just curious, where is my pass rush ranked.

 

I went with the run defense first mentality. There is only two of my front 7 that graded out as bad run defenders on my team(The DD's). I drafted Williams(Sly) because I thought he would be a decent pass rusher

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Will there be some kind of in-depth analysis for each team?

I'm curious to read about the strength and weaknesses of each team, and especially mine of course.

I wasnt planning on it, just because it will take some time to do that. If any team wants I to do so I can. I will start with your team since you asked.

 

I really liked your team, as you can tell from the ranking. I feel like it is very well balanced all around. You have a solid if not spectacular OL. Davis is an elite RT and I like your guards a lot. Hardwick and Dunlap are solid players as well. You have an excellent young QB and you provided him with good, veteran, receiving options and a very potent rushing tandem.

 

On defense your team should have an elite pass-rush between Suh and Dunlap, and you have some very good run defenders up front as well. Shaun Phillips is our of position IMO, but I really like Foster and and Burnett. Your secondary is also very strong with Joseph as a #1 CB and one of the best safeties in the game with Earl Thomas. Corey Graham is a solid #2 CB and Kirkpatrick could become a very good player.

 

Not many, if any, weaknesses on this team. I think the biggest weakness is a lack of speed on offense, but your WRs are experienced and should be able to get open for Luck.

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Just curious, where is my pass rush ranked.

 

I went with the run defense first mentality. There is only two of my front 7 that graded out as bad run defenders on my team(The DD's). I drafted Williams(Sly) because I thought he would be a decent pass rusher

Upper 3rd. It was just below a top 10 unit, mostly because your interior pass-rush is not as strong as the edge rushers. Canty is a nice piece but Dan Williams is not a pass-rusher at all and Sly is unproven.

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Upper 3rd. It was just below a top 10 unit, mostly because your interior pass-rush is not as strong as the edge rushers. Canty is a nice piece but Dan Williams is not a pass-rusher at all and Sly is unproven.

But the run D is ranked high correct?

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But the run D is ranked high correct?

I have it in the middle. Your LBs are not very good is the main reason.

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