Michael Oher vs. Paul Kruger

[flynismo]

He didn't play RT until the playoffs, right?

I'm not debating that he plays better when at RT, but I think that is partly due to the fact that most team's best pass rushers line up on the other side of the field, and partly because he is a better run blocker than pass pro.

 

A side note...even since his college days, I always felt he would be best as an OG, because he would have help on both sides, and less complicated position -- would help hide his flaws while at the same time enhancing the things he does very well

[NaveSenrag]

If he's out there "thinking" he will never succeed. He needs to just react. More playing time can help that.

Oher's has been playing since 2010, and I don't think he's ever missed a start. It's a little late to just hope that he gets better with time.

[H8R]

 

I'm not debating that he plays better when at RT, but I think that is partly due to the fact that most team's best pass rushers line up on the other side of the field, and partly because he is a better run blocker than pass pro.
 
A side note...even since his college days, I always felt he would be best as an OG, because he would have help on both sides, and less complicated position -- would help hide his flaws while at the same time enhancing the things he does very well

I feel like he doesnt have the length for LT. Hes a RT or gaurd, id agree. I miss that meanstreak he showed in his rookie year when he would POUND guys. Oher has good feet and a quick burst, but hes just a little too short IMO.

[Gordo52]

I think Oher would make an excellent guard.

[Clayton Bigsby]

Well with Yanda and Osemele holding down both our guard spots, he's stuck at tackle and clearly needs to play better.

[KBoum]

Hey there, I don't post a lot but I read a lot and I wanted to give you my 2cents.

 

Lets face it guys, Kruger is a good football player. Why that hate ? I don't like him that much but he isnt that bad

Hes not an every down player. He's a good pass rush specialist. If you run at him he's really exposed. But on passing situations most defense will bring blitz and Kruger can beat 1 on 1 and thats the essence of football : beat the man in front of you.

 

Yeah Suggs and Ngata might have to face 2 guys. But everytime a player wins his 1 on 1 battle, you are closer to the win.

Kruger played a good role on our superbowl run. I REALLY don't think he's worth that much money hell no. But saying he sucks and he's no good is too much.

 

He's a good situational football player. He's got quarterback pressure/sack/hurries/take down on a very great % of his plays last 2 seasons and he doest that in passing situations when the offensive line knows why Kruger is on the field : rush the passer.

 

Edit : to answer the post, Oher is a better Run blocker than pass blocker and Kruger a better pass rusher than run stuffer. So on running plays Oher will win the battle and on passing plays Kruger will have the edge.

 

To counter that you can run a quick throw type of offense, shotgun, west coast crossing routes, you bring the HBs to help blocking. That will hold opponents defense blitz a bit and give time to the QB to throw. But Air Corryell with 15 secs dropback aint good thats why FLacco wasnt great under Cam Cameron (thats another debate right there)

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Until we see if Castillo can make Oher into a consistently decent pass blocker and what progress Kruger might make as well, it's premature to say that Oher would beat Kruger or Kruger would beat Oher.

 

But based on what they were last season?

Kruger would run rings around Oher, who really is built to be a guard more then a tackle (he's virtually the same size as Yanda).

[ellicottraven]

I'm sorry but if Kruger lines up against Oher, he'll lose that battle!

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree. But don't cuss.

damn isnt a cuss word...

[Gordo52]

I'm sorry but if Kruger lines up against Oher, he'll lose that battle!

Who?

[Guest RBates]

Oher will dominate Kruger!  

[PeRK82]

So they will probably face eachother a majority of the time as Kruger will be nothing more than a weak side pass rusher. Who wins the battle this year and why do they win?

 

McKinnie will annihilate Kruger, Mingo, or Sheard now that he is on his A Game.

 

 

Kruger is going to Man Handle Oher,  hate to say it but its true.

[harfordravenfan]

What does having other good players around him have to do with Kruger beating his one on one matchups? If we are going that route, then we could easily argue that with Ngata having a subpar (by his standards) year, and the entire DL playing terribly for that matter, it made Kruger's job harder than it needed to be and honestly, as crappy as our DL was last year, it was an incredible effort for Kruger to do what he did...had our DL actually played well and done their jobs, Kruger's numbers may have been monstrous.
Nobody has ever claimed that Kruger is on Suggs/Ware/Matthews level as a player, but that doesn't mean he isn't damn good in his own right

Unless mistaken, Kruger did best when teams had to double the other side of the line (naturally), but I agree he is a solid pass rusher. My question with Kruger is how he will handle the run & dropping in coverage? He has the motor & drive but I also think the ravens could run his side with success.

[Bltravens]

Unless mistaken, Kruger did best when teams had to double the other side of the line (naturally), but I agree he is a solid pass rusher. My question with Kruger is how he will handle the run & dropping in coverage? He has the motor & drive but I also think the ravens could run his side with success.

Coverage he'll be more than adequate, if we developed him properly from day 1 he'd be a solid 2 phase player right now. He's more than capable in zone. Rush D is an issue for him, but only because he doesn't have much of an anchor. If he played rush D like he did his pass rush (ie his quick hands and first step off the snap) he'd be average and you'd see more games like his KC game this year.

[scrock]

I'll let coach Harbs tell it straight....The TEAM, the TEAM, the TEAM.

 

The guys around Kruger made him better than he was, we saw this for years with the LBs who played along with Ray Lewis. Go check the stats cough cough the FACTS, with Suggs out to begin the year Kruger was pretty much a nonfactor, nothing special and certainly not the guy Cleveland is hoping to revive their pass rush. Once Suggs returned Kruger finally made some plays when he wasnt getting much attention.

 

Kruger is good if he is surrounded by talent better than himself, the one good thing for Cleveland is that they do have a strong DL and potential....so maybe Kruger will be a decent pick up.....

 

But as far as Kruger getting by Oher? That's a joke...you guys sell Oher short, as a LT yeah he was no good, but at RT? He could be a Pro Bowl player....PLEASE remember Oher has not been allowed to play the same position long enough for him to dominate it....he will get that chance and he will shut down most pass rushers

 

He also did a better job with his false start penalties last year I believe but no one cares to mention that.

 

Kruger once again, overpaid, overrated...can't be THE PLAYER, he needs others to take the double teams so he can get one on ones and sometimes even that isnt enough

[Gordo52]

I typed a long response to the post above, but I don't even wanna get into it. It's not that difficult.

Kruger 1 on 1 beats Oher 7/10 times IMO.

[H8R]

I typed a long response to the post above, but I don't even wanna get into it. It's not that difficult.

Kruger 1 on 1 beats Oher 7/10 times IMO.

Your opinion is wrong 7/10 : P

[Gordo52]

Your opinion is wrong 7/10 : P

Only on Opposite Day ;)

[H8R]

Only on Opposite Day ;)

Which is actually Normal Day, because it's your Opposite Day .

[Gordo52]

Which is actually Normal Day, because it's your Opposite Day .

Don't get all technical

[H8R]

Don't get all technical

Sorry, bad habit. : )

[flynismo]

I'll let coach Harbs tell it straight....The TEAM, the TEAM, the TEAM.

 

The guys around Kruger made him better than he was, we saw this for years with the LBs who played along with Ray Lewis. Go check the stats cough cough the FACTS, with Suggs out to begin the year Kruger was pretty much a nonfactor, nothing special and certainly not the guy Cleveland is hoping to revive their pass rush. Once Suggs returned Kruger finally made some plays when he wasnt getting much attention.

 

Kruger is good if he is surrounded by talent better than himself, the one good thing for Cleveland is that they do have a strong DL and potential....so maybe Kruger will be a decent pick up.....

 

But as far as Kruger getting by Oher? That's a joke...you guys sell Oher short, as a LT yeah he was no good, but at RT? He could be a Pro Bowl player....PLEASE remember Oher has not been allowed to play the same position long enough for him to dominate it....he will get that chance and he will shut down most pass rushers

 

He also did a better job with his false start penalties last year I believe but no one cares to mention that.

 

Kruger once again, overpaid, overrated...can't be THE PLAYER, he needs others to take the double teams so he can get one on ones and sometimes even that isnt enough

At least be objective if you are going to say this kind of stuff.

 

You say:

"PLEASE remember Oher has not been allowed to play the same position long enough for him to dominate it."

 

and yet conveniently forget how Kruger was bounced around his first three years -- which was tougher on him than Oher considering the weight fluctuations demanded on him.

 

You say:

"with Suggs out to begin the year Kruger was pretty much a nonfactor, nothing special and certainly not the guy Cleveland is hoping to revive their pass rush. Once Suggs returned Kruger finally made some plays when he wasnt getting much attention."

 

and yet you dont mention that Suggs was no more effective than Kruger was when he drew double teams.

 

You say:

"But as far as Kruger getting by Oher? That's a joke"

 

Rob Ninkovich, anyone? Now THAT was a joke. So is the fact that Oher gave up the third most sacks in the league last year

 

You say:

"he needs others to take the double teams so he can get one on ones and sometimes even that isnt enough"

 

Pretty uh, interesting statement there, considering Kruger rang up 15.5 sacks last year.

[flynismo]

At least be objective if you are going to say this kind of stuff.

 

You say:

"PLEASE remember Oher has not been allowed to play the same position long enough for him to dominate it."

 

and yet conveniently forget how Kruger was bounced around his first three years -- which was tougher on him than Oher considering the weight fluctuations demanded on him.

 

You say:

"with Suggs out to begin the year Kruger was pretty much a nonfactor, nothing special and certainly not the guy Cleveland is hoping to revive their pass rush. Once Suggs returned Kruger finally made some plays when he wasnt getting much attention."

 

and yet you dont mention that Suggs was no more effective than Kruger was when he drew double teams.

 

You say:

"But as far as Kruger getting by Oher? That's a joke"

 

Rob Ninkovich, anyone? Now THAT was a joke. So is the fact that Oher gave up the third most sacks in the league last year

 

You say:

"he needs others to take the double teams so he can get one on ones and sometimes even that isnt enough"

 

Pretty uh, interesting statement there, considering Kruger rang up 15.5 sacks last year.

[flynismo]

I'll let coach Harbs tell it straight....The TEAM, the TEAM, the TEAM.

 

The guys around Kruger made him better than he was, we saw this for years with the LBs who played along with Ray Lewis. Go check the stats cough cough the FACTS, with Suggs out to begin the year Kruger was pretty much a nonfactor, nothing special and certainly not the guy Cleveland is hoping to revive their pass rush. Once Suggs returned Kruger finally made some plays when he wasnt getting much attention.

 

Kruger is good if he is surrounded by talent better than himself, the one good thing for Cleveland is that they do have a strong DL and potential....so maybe Kruger will be a decent pick up.....

 

But as far as Kruger getting by Oher? That's a joke...you guys sell Oher short, as a LT yeah he was no good, but at RT? He could be a Pro Bowl player....PLEASE remember Oher has not been allowed to play the same position long enough for him to dominate it....he will get that chance and he will shut down most pass rushers

 

He also did a better job with his false start penalties last year I believe but no one cares to mention that.

 

Kruger once again, overpaid, overrated...can't be THE PLAYER, he needs others to take the double teams so he can get one on ones and sometimes even that isnt enough

 

At least be objective if you are going to say this kind of stuff.

 

You say:

"PLEASE remember Oher has not been allowed to play the same position long enough for him to dominate it."

 

and yet conveniently forget how Kruger was bounced around his first three years -- which was tougher on him than Oher considering the weight fluctuations demanded on him.

 

You say:

"with Suggs out to begin the year Kruger was pretty much a nonfactor, nothing special and certainly not the guy Cleveland is hoping to revive their pass rush. Once Suggs returned Kruger finally made some plays when he wasnt getting much attention."

 

and yet you dont mention that Suggs was no more effective than Kruger was when he drew double teams.

 

You say:

"But as far as Kruger getting by Oher? That's a joke"

 

Rob Ninkovich, anyone? Now THAT was a joke. So is the fact that Oher gave up the third most sacks in the league last year

 

You say:

"he needs others to take the double teams so he can get one on ones and sometimes even that isnt enough"

 

Pretty uh, interesting statement there, considering Kruger rang up 15.5 sacks last year.

[SecretAgentMan]

I just like to type inside the quotes :P

[flynismo]

 

I just like to type inside the quotes :P

 

haha, I was pretending to be his inner voice

[scrock]

I typed a long response to the post above, but I don't even wanna get into it. It's not that difficult.

Kruger 1 on 1 beats Oher 7/10 times IMO.

 

you are seriously overrating Kruger, and underrating Oher

 

if Kruger was so good how come he wasnt a starter full time? he spent most of his time as a Raven not being active on gamedays

[Gordo52]

you are seriously overrating Kruger, and underrating Oher

if Kruger was so good how come he wasnt a starter full time? he spent most of his time as a Raven not being active on gamedays

Kruger is overpaid which makes him overrated, he's not a complete player but he's still young and can get better. His pass rushing skills were no way, shape or form overrated. Oher's better on the right side but I still think Kruger has the edge on him. And that's because Upshaw is way better defending the run.

[scrock]

Kruger is overpaid which makes him overrated, he's not a complete player but he's still young and can get better. His pass rushing skills were no way, shape or form overrated. Oher's better on the right side but I still think Kruger has the edge on him. And that's because Upshaw is way better defending the run.

 

I respect your opinion but disagree...Kruger doesn't have enough moves to be a top pass rusher, or atleast he hasnt developed them yet, he could beat Oher once in a while...but Oher would win most of the time...so during a game Kruger may get pressures but the sacks wont be there im guessing

[Gordo52]

I respect your opinion but disagree...Kruger doesn't have enough moves to be a top pass rusher, or atleast he hasnt developed them yet, he could beat Oher once in a while...but Oher would win most of the time...so during a game Kruger may get pressures but the sacks wont be there im guessing

Agree to disagree. I just can't wait to watch it though, hopefully I'm wrong.