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#1 Purple Punishment

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:18 AM

So they will probably face eachother a majority of the time as Kruger will be nothing more than a weak side pass rusher. Who wins the battle this year and why do they win?

 

McKinnie will annihilate Kruger, Mingo, or Sheard now that he is on his A Game.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:20 AM

Wouldn't Kruger play against McKinnie if he's on the weak side? The weak side is usually the LT with the strong side the RT.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:24 AM

Kruger is way overrated. He's a one trick pony, and even that pony is more of a fallabella than a standard pony. His pass rush is decent, sure, but its not world class by any means. He will be exposed this year, just sit back and watch.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:35 AM

Ha... Kruger would beat the mess out of Oher. Oher can't handle finesse rushers, and that's what Kruger is. As overrated as Kruger is, Kruger is essentially Oher's kryptonite. It'll be a good match up to watch. 

 

It'll be funny to watch those two on running plays. Kruger sucks on run downs, and Oher is over-rated on run downs. Exciting.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:45 AM

Yeah I wouldn't feel confident in Oher against Kruger.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:45 AM

Kruger is way overrated. He's a one trick pony, and even that pony is more of a fallabella than a standard pony. His pass rush is decent, sure, but its not world class by any means. He will be exposed this year, just sit back and watch.

Last season his pass rushing was way better than decent.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:55 AM

Last season his pass rushing was way better than decent.

 

No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

 

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:59 AM

No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

I wonder how much of the struggles Kruger had were more related to Ngata being beat up than needing Suggs opposite of him.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:08 AM

I wonder how much of the struggles Kruger had were more related to Ngata being beat up than needing Suggs opposite of him.

 

Either way, he needed help. An elite pass rusher (which he's getting paid as btw) doesn't rely on others helping him out, he just goes in there and does his thing. Refer to Suggs/Matthews/Ware here.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:09 AM

No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

 

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

 

Thanks!! Exactly my point as well.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:09 AM

Last season his pass rushing was way better than decent.

 

Refer to the post made by CARavens for your response from me. He nailed it right on the head.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:09 AM

I wonder how much of the struggles Kruger had were more related to Ngata being beat up than needing Suggs opposite of him.


Ngata was hurt on and off most of the season IRC, but I remember seeing some stats that showed how Kruger's sacks started climbing after Week 6 (I think) after Suggs came back against the Texans. I could be wrong and when I am at my computer I will look at it myself.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:23 AM

The real benefit of Suggs coming back was Kruger was only used in pass situations and pinned his ears back because upshaw and Suggs player running downs I was what I think happened
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:24 AM

Either way, he needed help. An elite pass rusher (which he's getting paid as btw) doesn't rely on others helping him out, he just goes in there and does his thing. Refer to Suggs/Matthews/Ware here.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

The real benefit of Suggs coming back was Kruger was only used in pass situations and pinned his ears back because upshaw and Suggs player running downs I was what I think happened


That may also be true, though if so then it even further cements the case that he isn't an every-down player. The first few weeks before Suggs came back he was playing opposite Upshaw as the ever-down guy and couldn't generate a pass-rush on his own; he could only do it on obvious passing downs when he was fresh and able to his go "hunt".
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:27 AM

Ngata was hurt on and off most of the season IRC, but I remember seeing some stats that showed how Kruger's sacks started climbing after Week 6 (I think) after Suggs came back against the Texans. I could be wrong and when I am at my computer I will look at it myself.

Oh I know. I'm not saying Kruger exclusively struggled because Ngata was injured. I think his initial struggles were a combination of lacking Suggs and it was worsened by having Ngata playing okay but not dominant.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:28 AM

That may also be true, though if so then it even further cements the case that he isn't an every-down player. The first few weeks before Suggs came back he was playing opposite Upshaw as the ever-down guy and couldn't generate a pass-rush on his own; he could only do it on obvious passing downs when he was fresh and able to his go "hunt".

thats what I was implying. He's great to come in on obvious pass rushing situations but I think he will get ran all over starting
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:34 AM

I think our offensive line held up well in the playoffs.  Let's just hope they can carry some of that momentum into the season.  Kruger doesn't scare me against either side of our line as long as Joe gets the ball off quickly.  The key to disrupt the outside pass rush is to run off tackle.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:35 AM

Arnie_uk and Grim I agree with both your points.

The pass-rush wasn't the same during the middle of the season, but Ngata and Suggs together were still dangerous enough to draw attention which allowed Kruger to have greater success when they were both on the field.

Come to think of it I know alright got a couple sacks in the Super Bowl, but I believe those were before Ngata went out with his injury which only backs up the idea that Kruger is a part-time, pass-rush specialist.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:59 AM

No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

Kruger is way overrated. And Suggs was essential to Kruger's success.
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