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Michael Oher vs. Paul Kruger

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So they will probably face eachother a majority of the time as Kruger will be nothing more than a weak side pass rusher. Who wins the battle this year and why do they win?

 

McKinnie will annihilate Kruger, Mingo, or Sheard now that he is on his A Game.

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Wouldn't Kruger play against McKinnie if he's on the weak side? The weak side is usually the LT with the strong side the RT.
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Kruger is way overrated. He's a one trick pony, and even that pony is more of a fallabella than a standard pony. His pass rush is decent, sure, but its not world class by any means. He will be exposed this year, just sit back and watch.

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Ha... Kruger would beat the mess out of Oher. Oher can't handle finesse rushers, and that's what Kruger is. As overrated as Kruger is, Kruger is essentially Oher's kryptonite. It'll be a good match up to watch. 

 

It'll be funny to watch those two on running plays. Kruger sucks on run downs, and Oher is over-rated on run downs. Exciting.

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Kruger is way overrated. He's a one trick pony, and even that pony is more of a fallabella than a standard pony. His pass rush is decent, sure, but its not world class by any means. He will be exposed this year, just sit back and watch.

Last season his pass rushing was way better than decent.
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Last season his pass rushing was way better than decent.

 

No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

 

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

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No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

I wonder how much of the struggles Kruger had were more related to Ngata being beat up than needing Suggs opposite of him.
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I wonder how much of the struggles Kruger had were more related to Ngata being beat up than needing Suggs opposite of him.

 

Either way, he needed help. An elite pass rusher (which he's getting paid as btw) doesn't rely on others helping him out, he just goes in there and does his thing. Refer to Suggs/Matthews/Ware here.

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No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

 

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

 

Thanks!! Exactly my point as well.

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Last season his pass rushing was way better than decent.

 

Refer to the post made by CARavens for your response from me. He nailed it right on the head.

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I wonder how much of the struggles Kruger had were more related to Ngata being beat up than needing Suggs opposite of him.


Ngata was hurt on and off most of the season IRC, but I remember seeing some stats that showed how Kruger's sacks started climbing after Week 6 (I think) after Suggs came back against the Texans. I could be wrong and when I am at my computer I will look at it myself.
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The real benefit of Suggs coming back was Kruger was only used in pass situations and pinned his ears back because upshaw and Suggs player running downs I was what I think happened
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Either way, he needed help. An elite pass rusher (which he's getting paid as btw) doesn't rely on others helping him out, he just goes in there and does his thing. Refer to Suggs/Matthews/Ware here.

Aldon Smith struggled without Justin Smith
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The real benefit of Suggs coming back was Kruger was only used in pass situations and pinned his ears back because upshaw and Suggs player running downs I was what I think happened


That may also be true, though if so then it even further cements the case that he isn't an every-down player. The first few weeks before Suggs came back he was playing opposite Upshaw as the ever-down guy and couldn't generate a pass-rush on his own; he could only do it on obvious passing downs when he was fresh and able to his go "hunt".
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Ngata was hurt on and off most of the season IRC, but I remember seeing some stats that showed how Kruger's sacks started climbing after Week 6 (I think) after Suggs came back against the Texans. I could be wrong and when I am at my computer I will look at it myself.

Oh I know. I'm not saying Kruger exclusively struggled because Ngata was injured. I think his initial struggles were a combination of lacking Suggs and it was worsened by having Ngata playing okay but not dominant.
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That may also be true, though if so then it even further cements the case that he isn't an every-down player. The first few weeks before Suggs came back he was playing opposite Upshaw as the ever-down guy and couldn't generate a pass-rush on his own; he could only do it on obvious passing downs when he was fresh and able to his go "hunt".

thats what I was implying. He's great to come in on obvious pass rushing situations but I think he will get ran all over starting
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I think our offensive line held up well in the playoffs.  Let's just hope they can carry some of that momentum into the season.  Kruger doesn't scare me against either side of our line as long as Joe gets the ball off quickly.  The key to disrupt the outside pass rush is to run off tackle.

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Arnie_uk and Grim I agree with both your points.

The pass-rush wasn't the same during the middle of the season, but Ngata and Suggs together were still dangerous enough to draw attention which allowed Kruger to have greater success when they were both on the field.

Come to think of it I know alright got a couple sacks in the Super Bowl, but I believe those were before Ngata went out with his injury which only backs up the idea that Kruger is a part-time, pass-rush specialist.
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No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

Kruger is way overrated. And Suggs was essential to Kruger's success.
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No his numbers were better than decent, however all those numbers came once Suggs was back to take some of the attention away from him. He had some skill, but not to be an every down pass-rusher at this stage. Unfortunately for the Browns (and fortunately for Kruger) they paid him like they were getting a top-flight pass-rusher, but that's not what Kruger is right now.

He could become a top level pass-rusher, but right now he needs another dominant guy on the defense with him to let him be successful.

I was just saying. I don't think he's an every down guy and I also think the Browns overpaid him. But re-watching the playoffs he was the only one constantly pressuring the QB and disrupting the OL.
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So they will probably face eachother a majority of the time as Kruger will be nothing more than a weak side pass rusher. Who wins the battle this year and why do they win?
 
McKinnie will annihilate Kruger, Mingo, or Sheard now that he is on his A Game.

 

Oher will dominate him. He's played well against a lot better pass rusher then Paul..
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I am amazed by how quickly people bash Kruger now that he is gone, albeit there was alot of bashing pre-hand...I think I have said this a million times but football is a situational game, Kruger is one of the better situational players, the moments he is in the game are some of the most crucial and game defining moments and he has shown up on a couple huge occasions--I can think of the pick against Pittsburgh to win it and a couple big sacks in the playoff near or in the red zone...His value is in those third down and get at'em situations, and he does it very well.

 

As Grim said which no one seemed to latch on to Aldon Smith struggled when Justin Smith went down and the entire 49ers defense started giving up yards in those last couple of weeks and playoffs...its no surprise that Paul Kruger struggled when our entire defense was struggling in many aspects and injuries just added. If it was him vs. Oher I guess it depends on the situation. If it was a 3rd and 6 and we were at the 30 yard line going for the win with the Browns up, I will not lie I would probably key in and make sure I give help to Oher so Kruger didnt ruin it..that says something of his value I think

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I think Kruger would make Oher look silly, just sayin'. Oher is horrible against speed/finesse rushers. Better have the RB chip Kruger while going out for his route.

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I am amazed by how quickly people bash Kruger now that he is gone, albeit there was alot of bashing pre-hand...I think I have said this a million times but football is a situational game, Kruger is one of the better situational players, the moments he is in the game are some of the most crucial and game defining moments and he has shown up on a couple huge occasions--I can think of the pick against Pittsburgh to win it and a couple big sacks in the playoff near or in the red zone...His value is in those third down and get at'em situations, and he does it very well.
 
As Grim said which no one seemed to latch on to Aldon Smith struggled when Justin Smith went down and the entire 49ers defense started giving up yards in those last couple of weeks and playoffs...its no surprise that Paul Kruger struggled when our entire defense was struggling in many aspects and injuries just added. If it was him vs. Oher I guess it depends on the situation. If it was a 3rd and 6 and we were at the 30 yard line going for the win with the Browns up, I will not lie I would probably key in and make sure I give help to Oher so Kruger didnt ruin it..that says something of his value I think

exceot because he's starting if you run at him on first and second down It will reset to first...
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exceot because he's starting if you run at him on first and second down It will reset to first...

Always a possibility, but if you have any decent depth at the position he should not be in those situations a ton..I am not sure the Browns have that kind of depth so he may be out of his element. It will be a telling year for him to see if he can lead a D and be the guy teams will key in on everydown. Dumervil has the same issues though but we clearly have the depth to use him in the role he excels at, as we did with Kruger

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Always a possibility, but if you have any decent depth at the position he should not be in those situations a ton..I am not sure the Browns have that kind of depth so he may be out of his element. It will be a telling year for him to see if he can lead a D and be the guy teams will key in on everydown. Dumervil has the same issues though but we clearly have the depth to use him in the role he excels at, as we did with Kruger

you don't pay that salary for a third down pass rusher. He will be seeing snaps similar to Suggs does here.
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you don't pay that salary for a third down pass rusher. He will be seeing snaps similar to Suggs does here.

I agree he will be seeing similar snaps to Suggs in Brown land--and as I said it will be a telling year for how he adapts to being that kind of guy..I am not arguing he may be overpaid for what he does...just saying what he does, he does it extremely well. I guess we will say what he will be asked to do if he can keep up a solid production level and not wear down and loose where he excels at. But he should get a decent rotation with Kiki, Sheard and Groves..Plus they have a very good DL to take away some of the attention he will get on early downs, their inside with Rubin and a healthy Phil Taylor is one of the best and Billy Winn-who played well as a rook, plus the addition of Desmond Bryant should allow some versatile looks so it is not too easy to pound away at Kruger. Basically it is hard to breakdown or rank a player without looking at what is around them.

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[quote name="Clayton Bigsby" post="1495312" timestamp="1371571408"]

I think Kruger would make Oher look silly, just sayin'. Oher is horrible against speed/finesse rushers. Better have the RB chip Kruger while going out for his route.[/quote]

Proof? Because I don't think that's the case at all.
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I am amazed by how quickly people bash Kruger now that he is gone, albeit there was alot of bashing pre-hand...I think I have said this a million times but football is a situational game, Kruger is one of the better situational players, the moments he is in the game are some of the most crucial and game defining moments and he has shown up on a couple huge occasions--I can think of the pick against Pittsburgh to win it and a couple big sacks in the playoff near or in the red zone...His value is in those third down and get at'em situations, and he does it very well.

 

As Grim said which no one seemed to latch on to Aldon Smith struggled when Justin Smith went down and the entire 49ers defense started giving up yards in those last couple of weeks and playoffs...its no surprise that Paul Kruger struggled when our entire defense was struggling in many aspects and injuries just added. If it was him vs. Oher I guess it depends on the situation. If it was a 3rd and 6 and we were at the 30 yard line going for the win with the Browns up, I will not lie I would probably key in and make sure I give help to Oher so Kruger didnt ruin it..that says something of his value I think

 

I see the point here. I get it, when the team around you starts going down, chances are you're going down as well. But what about the fact that both Ware and Matthews are elite pass rushers without having even a decent D around them? I could pull up more instances here, including Jared Allen in Minny last year. Kruger is a decent pass rusher, I'm not knocking that, but I'm not going to say he's a star at it.

 

Besides, the fact that he excels only when he's surrounded by talent is kind of moot here anyways. He will be playing alongside players like Mingo and Sheard, along with Taylor. He will have talent around him, so he should do just fine. I'm just not going to call him a beast at it though.

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