Courtney Upshaw reportedly out of shape

[Tiz]

id say this site is the only one allowed to publish pictures. I bet you wanted pictures last year as well even after it was announced he was being fined for being out of shape.

Nope because he played strong and he was fined for cardio stuff and not for appearance
Don't need pictures of a guys appearance when the issue was about finishing a drill in a set time kinda like what happened to ngata.


So again if you tell me a guy looks chubby visual evidence is required
If you say that a guy didnt finish a run in the time allotted then why would I need to see what he looks like

But here there's also a difference between the franchise fining a guy for his condition and someone outside the franchise claiming he is soft.

[Tiz]

And here with the talks about his conditioning we still had a peek as to what he looked like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGQjcPejDLo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giFbqrxu43I

[arnie_uk]

Nope because he played strong and he was fined for cardio stuff and not for appearance
Don't need pictures of a guys appearance when the issue was about finishing a drill in a set time kinda like what happened to ngata.
So again if you tell me a guy looks chubby visual evidence is required
If you say that a guy didnt finish a run in the time allotted then why would I need to see what he looks like
But here there's also a difference between the franchise fining a guy for his condition and someone outside the franchise claiming he is soft.

your cardio is going to be related to your appearance, if your overweight and heavy you will be unfit. Up shaw was far to heavy in the offseason, was set a weight target to hit and was being fined for not hitting it. Again, only this site appears to have pictures of OTAs and there is none of up shaw at all.

[Moderator 3]

your cardio is going to be related to your appearance, if your overweight and heavy you will be unfit.

Don't want to hijack the thread, but that is just not true. Have you ever seen a lineman? Weight and fitness are not directly corelated.

[arnie_uk]

Don't want to hijack the thread, but that is just not true. Have you ever seen a lineman? Weight and fitness are not directly corelated.

i meant compared to normal. If your normally 330 and jump to. 360 you'll be affected, if your normally, 260 70 which was his paying weight and balloon to 290 if will affect you. It's all relative.

[Tank 92]

i meant compared to normal. If your normally 330 and jump to. 360 you'll be affected, if your normally, 260 70 which was his paying weight and balloon to 290 if will affect you. It's all relative.

 

 

 

Eh.  This is much to do about nothing.  Big guys like to eat and they often carry extra off season weight.  Upshaw is young and fit and will have no problems getting to his playing weight and condition. It's not like he is, or ever was, a ball of flab like Mount Cody.  

 

Good things to come from CU this season.

[arnie_uk]

Eh.  This is much to do about nothing.  Big guys like to eat and they often carry extra off season weight.  Upshaw is young and fit and will have no problems getting to his playing weight and condition. It's not like he is, or ever was, a ball of flab like Mount Cody.  
 
Good things to come from CU this season.

thats what I've been saying all along. I'm arguing with this guy over the fact he can't believe up shaw is heavy without a pic. If this was yanda I'd question it, but up shaw has history so it's not a stretch to assume he is again.

Tony Lombardi has direct access to the camp so again, it's all based on his eyes, and what he determines overweight, I could see the same thing and think nah he looks grand

[GrimCoconut]

Body fat especially that around the gut is related to diet. His weight gain does concern me to an extent though I'm not terribly worried. It's nothing official as of now and so far there are no reports of a fine or failed conditioning test so I will reserve my judgment until I have more information.

With that said, that kind of weight gain concerns me because it sounds like he may have lost muscle mass. Anyone who works out and understands the process of losing weight and keeping it off knows that the best way to keep fat off is to weight lift. Endless sessions of cardio are ineffective because it will eventually cause you to lose muscle mass which will cause you to gain more fat as a consequence.

I don't want to go much further but I'm concerned by his weight gain from that perspective.

[Tank 92]

Don't want to hijack the thread, but that is just not true. Have you ever seen a lineman? Weight and fitness are not directly corelated.

 

 

This is a true statement. I can't believe people still think everyone should fit into a mold and need to have the sleek greyhound look to be considered fit. Not all people are built the same. There's just as many slim, out of shape folks around as there are chunky ones.  

[izvoodoo]

This is a true statement. I can't believe people still think everyone should fit into a mold and need to have the sleek greyhound look to be considered fit. Not all people are built the same. There's just as many slim, out of shape folks around as there are chunky ones.

Honestly I'm just bored.

[H8R]

because it was documented it was planned. There's a difference

LOL... that's nonsense.

[SecretAgentMan]

This thread..... Just no.

[ellicottraven]

If it is true, it is extremely disappointing and is a bummer! I had great expectations for Courtney this year.... Ozzie, wazzup with your Bama crew man??

[ellicottraven]

The good thing is he is not as out of shape or fat as say - Ben Roethlisberger or Fat Woodley of the Steelers... Roethlisberger has been likened to 'Fat [profanity deleted]' in some blogs, except that I think the comparison is insulting to 'Fat ......." - lol (hence my avatar)!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a link

http://cheezburger.com/5145914112

[arnie_uk]

LOL... that's nonsense.

hows it nonsense, there was interviews were he and harbs said they planned for him to add weight because the previous year his body broke down at the lighter weight and he got injured. That was the plan, it didn't work. But they wanted him to be heavier.

[Tiz]

your cardio is going to be related to your appearance, if your overweight and heavy you will be unfit. Up shaw was far to heavy in the offseason, was set a weight target to hit and was being fined for not hitting it. Again, only this site appears to have pictures of OTAs and there is none of up shaw at all.

Negatory
You can be full of muscle but it doesn't mean you have the conditioning to keep up a fast pace for an extended period of time

[arnie_uk]

Negatory
You can be full of muscle but it doesn't mean you have the conditioning to keep up a fast pace for an extended period of time

but he's not being accused of putting on to much muscle so I don't understand the point of that comment, he's accused of having a gut, which naturally will affect cardio if its more than normal. But again, this is one persons eye test, someone else could look at up shaw and say well he was that size last year. We are beating a dead horse, I don't think it's an issue at this point, it's his body type.

But I don't need a picture to think he could be overweight especially when he was last year at this time

[ghost1986]

Dang the ego's of people in this thread. Didn't know we had so many physical trainers here. Anyways, back on topic: I hope he can trim off the weight, cause I'd rather see him at OLB Don't forget it was him who stripped the ball from the RB in the Super Bowl. Seriously, though, the Bama guys gotta step up their conditioning or they're gonna be losing their jobs. I already think Cody lost his. And Upshaw could lose his to Simon if he doesn't get back to form.

[arnie_uk]

Dang the ego's of people in this thread. Didn't know we had so many physical trainers here. Anyways, back on topic: I hope he can trim off the weight, cause I'd rather see him at OLB Don't forget it was him who stripped the ball from the RB in the Super Bowl. Seriously, though, the Bama guys gotta step up their conditioning or they're gonna be losing their jobs. I already think Cody lost his. And Upshaw could lose his to Simon if he doesn't get back to form.

again, I don't think it will be an issue, he seems to be of the body type where if he isn't working day in day out he puts weight on. By the time training camp comes around I'd expect him to get back to his weight much like last year, and be good to go week one.

[Ravensfan23]

It's his job to stay in shape. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but nothing in this league is guaranteed. If he is overweight, he will have to work extra hard and compete for his spot. Hopefully you are right, and he is looking good since TC rolls around.

 

Yes it's his job and again I'm not making excuses. However you hear all the time about guys saying it took them 2-3 years to really become a pro. Hell just a few years back Suggs came to camp out of shape and he had been in the league for a while.

 

Sometimes guys just don't know how to stay in shape as a professional early on. I'm sure at Bama where he is or isn't now was probably ok. However now it's a whole new ball game. You hear vets all the time talk about how they learned how to take care of their bodies and eat right and things like that. Again not making excuses, there will be a weight set for him to  come to camp at and he's expected to hit it. However he might just be one of those guys that know how to put just enough work in to get into shape come camp time. That works in college all the time, but the NFL is different and I'm sure if that's the case he will learn that quickly.

[Ravensfan23]

Before I agree or disagree in what way do you feel people are overreacting? I'm curious to hear.

 

Overreacting to anyone being out of shape in OTAs. Yes I know much is made out of OTAs and minicamps, but it's still about 7 weeks away from camp when his conditioning really matters.

 

To me having a negative reaction to a guys weight or conditioning during this time is equal to the national media telling us that Mark Shancez was 7-7 in team drills with 3TDs or them saying how great Amendola looks in the Pats offense. To me it's pointless. Like yes, we all love the fact that the guys are back at work, but it's not even real football right now. For all we know, Upshaw just hasn't been doing a lot of cardio work and that's why he looks out of shape. But I don't think that it should be a big deal right now, That's what I mean by overreacting. I see people saying Ozzie shouldn't draft Bama guys, or saying the guy isn't comitted and I think it's way too early to say something like that. imo.

[H8R]

hows it nonsense, there was interviews were he and harbs said they planned for him to add weight because the previous year his body broke down at the lighter weight and he got injured. That was the plan, it didn't work. But they wanted him to be heavier.

It was nonsense for him to gain weight, if it was asked of not.. He was slow, lathargic and hurt pretty much the whole year.

[arnie_uk]

It was nonsense for him to gain weight, if it was asked of not.. He was slow, lathargic and hurt pretty much the whole year.

that I agree with, it didn't work, but in the offseason he said it was the plan, so his body could hold up and not break down late in the year, but it failed.

[arnie_uk]

Up shaw said he weighs 285 and hasn't been working out because of personal issues on a regular basis.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76141521/

Still need a picture tiz?

[gabefergy]

It was nonsense for him to gain weight, if it was asked of not.. He was slow, lathargic and hurt pretty much the whole year.

His best game was week 1. He didn't look slow or lethargic to me. He looked hurt for most of the season which has nothing to do with 10 lbs.

[GrimCoconut]

Overreacting to anyone being out of shape in OTAs. Yes I know much is made out of OTAs and minicamps, but it's still about 7 weeks away from camp when his conditioning really matters.

To me having a negative reaction to a guys weight or conditioning during this time is equal to the national media telling us that Mark Shancez was 7-7 in team drills with 3TDs or them saying how great Amendola looks in the Pats offense. To me it's pointless. Like yes, we all love the fact that the guys are back at work, but it's not even real football right now. For all we know, Upshaw just hasn't been doing a lot of cardio work and that's why he looks out of shape. But I don't think that it should be a big deal right now, That's what I mean by overreacting. I see people saying Ozzie shouldn't draft Bama guys, or saying the guy isn't comitted and I think it's way too early to say something like that. imo.

Ahhhh. I see. Well, that makes sense. I'm personally not fond of some of these Alabama players not because of weight problems but because I think they're overrated because they play well while in that program but don't seem to have the same success away. I also feel like for the most part they're a bit close to their potential than some other prospects.

As for what you said about making a big deal out of this, I agree there. It's not a big deal and I was also reminded of Suggs.

As for his "gut" if he does have one I'm less worried about the cardio and more worried about muscle loss. As long as he didn't lose muscle the stomach is no big deal. You can lose that.

This is all hyperbole anyway. Nothing has been truly confirmed. We haven't fined him and so far there have been no reports of him failing his conditioning test. Those would be things that would set mind to worry and see calm thoughts turn to fields of concern.

[The Raven]

Up shaw said he weighs 285 and hasn't been working out because of personal issues on a regular basis.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76141521/

Still need a picture tiz?

 

Disappointing, but at least he's taking accountability for it. He knows he's gotta drop the weight, and I'm sure he will.

Ahhhh. I see. Well, that makes sense. I'm personally not fond of some of these Alabama players not because of weight problems but because I think they're overrated because they play well while in that program but don't seem to have the same success away. I also feel like for the most part they're a bit close to their potential than some other prospects.

As for what you said about making a big deal out of this, I agree there. It's not a big deal and I was also reminded of Suggs.

As for his "gut" if he does have one I'm less worried about the cardio and more worried about muscle loss. As long as he didn't lose muscle the stomach is no big deal. You can lose that.

This is all hyperbole anyway. Nothing has been truly confirmed. We haven't fined him and so far there have been no reports of him failing his conditioning test. Those would be things that would set mind to worry and see calm thoughts turn to fields of concern.

 

I've heard contradicting views on this. For one, I have played with quite a few guys that carried a gut, but they could lift a truck. I'm not sure the gut is as related to lack of muscle loss as you think. Second, I have talked to many professional trainers and coaches who say that a gut is a result of poor cardio, more times than not. It also has a lot to do with body type. Upshaw is built like an endomorph. Endomorphs are typically strong as hell, but also tend to carry extra fat, especially in the gut. I am also concerned that he lost muscle mass, but we can't infer that based on a gut. 

[1/28/01]

Uh, saw him tonight at Webbs charity softball game and dude was LARGE!!!

[K-Dog]

Uh, saw him tonight at Webbs charity softball game and dude was LARGE!!!

Large fat ? or large brick profanity deleted house ?

[Blackbird11]

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