Steelers W Over Patriots Better Or Worse For Us?

[ravensgirlx88]

I think that the steelers winning did (as much as i HATE to admit is) help the Ravens. It allows the Ravens the ability to lose another game and still make the playoffs, meaning we don't HAVE to beat Pittsburgh for a chance.

if the steelers only lose to the us(which probablly WILL NOT happen) then the steelers will win the division because both have won the same number of games within the AFC North and a 1-1 head to head record, so we have to go to tiebreaker 3.

In that case pittsburgh wins because the steelers have the better record within the AFC as two of their losses came from NFC opponents and so the Steelers would have 2 in AFC losses while the Ravens will have 3 in AFC losses.

So basically while it makes it far more difficult for us to to win the division, it makes it far more likely that we can make the playoffs(getting to the playoffs to me at least is more important than winning the division) also if we can make it to the playoffs and win we will likely face pittsburgh at some time so the better team in the rivalry can be settled there.


Thoughts?

[charlie cash]

I think the steelers win was a good thing in a way...Because if somehow we dont win the division we still have the wild card as an insurance policy! So the odds of deff getting in the playoffs went up a whole lot yesterday!

[tctony]

It was probably better. However, if they had lost, it could have been easier for us to win the division and get the bye.

However, that game was a win-win for us, really, because either result increases our chances of making the playoffs.

If only the Browns could've done something..

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='Ravens1990' post='96702' date='Dec 1 2008, 10:30 AM']It was probably better. However, if they had lost, it could have been easier for us to win the division and get the bye.

However, that game was a win-win for us, really, because either result increases our chances of making the playoffs.

If only the Browns could've done something..[/quote]



I'm not so sure if getting a bye would be a good or bad thing, I mean it's always good to get extra practice and more time to prepare BUT (at least the old ravens) never play well after a bye week. It seems like we do better if we keep or momentium going from Sunday to Sunday.

[Thyrl]

[url="http://wnst.net/wordpress/thyrlnelson/2008/12/01/maybe-theyre-not-who-we-thought-they-were/"]Better[/url]

The Steelers probably did the Ravens a favor on Sunday, by beating New England. The loss put the Patriots, and Dolphins, a full game behind the Ravens in the hunt for the final wildcard spot. In addition to their one game lead, the Ravens enjoy the simple tiebreaker over Miami by virtue of their head to head victory. They would hold the tiebreaker over New England too, since it would go first to conference record. The Patriots have lost all 5 of their games within the AFC, and with just 2 AFC games left; the Ravens could lose no more than 4.



On the Surface, it seems that both the Patriots and Dolphins have the better end of the schedule. But the Pats are getting ready to spend 2 weeks straight on the west coast, they didn

[Ravens0012]

Either way it helps, so there really cant be any complaints. i would rather have seen pittsburgh loose though. i dont like them sitting above us in the afcn.

[JO_75]

The way the defense played against NE yesterday, I don't know if that gives Dallas any hope at all, since Dallas is going to Pittsburgh that is going to be tough. I think the win helped us more, because now we have a game security over NE in the wild card hunt and the way it looks, the Colts could lock up the 5th seed and that leaves us with the 6th seed unless we topple the Steelers and that means we would get a bye(the # 2 Seed) or at worst the 3rd or 4th seed. But now we have to root for Dallas to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh.

[Ravens0012]

[quote name='JO_75' post='96715' date='Dec 1 2008, 11:17 AM']The way the defense played against NE yesterday, I don't know if that gives Dallas any hope at all, since Dallas is going to Pittsburgh that is going to be tough. I think the win helped us more, because now we have a game security over NE in the wild card hunt and the way it looks, the Colts could lock up the 5th seed and that leaves us with the 6th seed unless we topple the Steelers and that means we would get a bye(the # 2 Seed) or at worst the 3rd or 4th seed. But now we have to root for Dallas to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh.[/quote]

yeah their defense played well but not as good as it may have looked. it was raining the whole game (notice all the dropped balls by new england receivers) watson tips a ball for a pick. returner muffs a catch. offense didnt block on the end very well. and i think new england may have gave some game plan for against pitt.......those delays seemed to be working pretty well.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='96697' date='Dec 1 2008, 10:14 AM']I think that the steelers winning did (as much as i HATE to admit is) help the Ravens. It allows the Ravens the ability to lose another game and still make the playoffs, meaning we don't HAVE to beat Pittsburgh for a chance.

if the steelers only lose to the us(which probablly WILL NOT happen) then the steelers will win the division because both have won the same number of games within the AFC North and a 1-1 head to head record, so we have to go to tiebreaker 3.

In that case pittsburgh wins because the steelers have the better record within the AFC as two of their losses came from NFC opponents and so the Steelers would have 2 in AFC losses while the Ravens will have 3 in AFC losses.

So basically while it makes it far more difficult for us to to win the division, it makes it far more likely that we can make the playoffs(getting to the playoffs to me at least is more important than winning the division) also if we can make it to the playoffs and win we will likely face pittsburgh at some time so the better team in the rivalry can be settled there.


Thoughts?[/quote]


If Pittsburgh loses to us a number of things can still happen for us to win the division

[u]Assuming we tie at the end of the season[/u]
If they lose to us + The Browns we win the Divisional Record Tie Breaker (Ravens 5-1, Steelers 4-2)
If they lose to us + The Titans & we beat the Jags, It goes to the Strength of Victory Tie Breaker (which is virtually tied right now) But, if the Eagles, Dolphins, Raiders keep winning we will win this Procedure bcuz it will strengthen our Victory % (it will be very very close, tho).
If it's too slim to call and the league decides the Strength of Victorys for both teams are Tied then it would move on to the Strength of Schedule Tie Breaker. We would more than likely win this procedure bcuz as of right now the strength of our schedule is the stronger of the 2. Our's .48 Their's .43 (The Steelers remaining games are teams we will or will have already played against so it won't change by much if at all)

[JUICE tm]

i would have rather the patriots have won and the colts lost. we can beat the patriots if it comes down to it in the playoffs. we CAN NOT beat the colts. EVER.

[raven46]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='96697' date='Dec 1 2008, 09:14 AM']I think that the steelers winning did (as much as i HATE to admit is) help the Ravens. It allows the Ravens the ability to lose another game and still make the playoffs, meaning we don't HAVE to beat Pittsburgh for a chance.

if the steelers only lose to the us(which probablly WILL NOT happen) then the steelers will win the division because both have won the same number of games within the AFC North and a 1-1 head to head record, so we have to go to tiebreaker 3.

In that case pittsburgh wins because the steelers have the better record within the AFC as two of their losses came from NFC opponents and so the Steelers would have 2 in AFC losses while the Ravens will have 3 in AFC losses.

So basically while it makes it far more difficult for us to to win the division, it makes it far more likely that we can make the playoffs(getting to the playoffs to me at least is more important than winning the division) also if we can make it to the playoffs and win we will likely face pittsburgh at some time so the better team in the rivalry can be settled there.


Thoughts?[/quote]
good post, I think it was better also in case we dont get the division, BUT I think we have a better chance at the division than the Steelers because they play Dallas next and have a good chance to loose, and we should be easily able to beat the skins. Then if we beat the Steelers in week 15 to gain the lead and run away with it!

[raven46]

[quote name='JUICE tm' post='96740' date='Dec 1 2008, 12:13 PM']i would have rather the patriots have won and the colts lost. we can beat the patriots if it comes down to it in the playoffs. we CAN NOT beat the colts. EVER.[/quote]

Although i admit the colts do have our number, what kind of attitude is that for a ravens fan...pathetic.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='JUICE tm' post='96740' date='Dec 1 2008, 01:13 PM']i would have rather the patriots have won and the colts lost. we can beat the patriots if it comes down to it in the playoffs. we CAN NOT beat the colts. EVER.[/quote]
Its true though, its not that we don't have the talent or that the Colts are the better team. I honestly just think its the curse of the Colts. Its not right for us to play each other because the football gods still think of us as the same team.

[cheeze]

Personally, whenever the Steelers play the Patriots i root for enough players to sustain a 1 game injury that the game cannot be finished. I would not wish a career threatening injury on anyone, it is just a game after all. I know that the probability of this happening is probably around .00001%, but i still hope for it every time.

[svt2nv04]

[quote name='raven46' post='96747' date='Dec 1 2008, 01:30 PM']good post, I think it was better also in case we dont get the division, BUT I think we have a better chance at the division than the Steelers because they play Dallas next and have a good chance to loose, and we should be easily able to beat the skins. Then if we beat the Steelers in week 15 to gain the lead and run away with it![/quote]

We play Dallas too, at Dallas.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='svt2nv04' post='96785' date='Dec 1 2008, 05:13 PM']We play Dallas too, at Dallas.[/quote]

I think DALLAS might give us a hard time only because we play in Dallas, I just hope we can step up our pass rush in that game,limit the running game and keep a tight rope on T.O & Jason Witten.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='96792' date='Dec 1 2008, 04:20 PM']I think DALLAS might give us a hard time only because we play in Dallas, I just hope we can step up our pass rush in that game,limit the running game and keep a tight rope on T.O & Jason Witten.[/quote]

I can't see us beating Dallas unless Romo's little pinky is hurting. Their OL is big and talented. Their passing game is great with an average OL, but they have a great OL. Romo, Williams and Witten will be torching our secondary in their home building. If it was in cold Baltimore, I'd like our chances a little bit more.

[GermanRavensFan]

Maaan... Did you see that hit on Wes Welker?

..... boom!!!

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Hit of the year!!

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='raven46' post='96747' date='Dec 1 2008, 01:30 PM']good post, I think it was better also in case we dont get the division, BUT I think we have a better chance at the division than the Steelers because they play Dallas next and have a good chance to loose, and we should be easily able to beat the skins. Then if we beat the Steelers in week 15 to gain the lead and run away with it![/quote]

first of all you play the cowboys as well,second of all if we win next week and then beat you its all over we get the division so i think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves, and finally even if we lose to you we still have to lose another game(assuming you run the table which is always hard to do regardless) and the only other team that has a shot is the cowboys, the titans offense is not nearly good enough to play the number one defense in the country.....us

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='96792' date='Dec 1 2008, 04:20 PM']I think DALLAS might give us a hard time only because we play in Dallas, I just hope we can step up our pass rush in that game,limit the running game and keep a tight rope on T.O & Jason Witten.[/quote]

anything you can do we can do better and they play us at our house.....so if you like your chances you have to like ours

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='96811' date='Dec 1 2008, 05:47 PM']first of all you play the cowboys as well,second of all if we win next week and then beat you its all over we get the division so i think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves, and finally even if we lose to you we still have to lose another game(assuming you run the table which is always hard to do regardless) and the only other team that has a shot is the cowboys, the titans offense is not nearly good enough to play the number one defense in the country.....us[/quote]

I think the chances of the Steelers beating us with the Offense we have right now is very Slim to NONE. I think YOU'RE getting ahead of yourself thinking your going to run away with the division and not have us make the playoffs. I think Dallas will easily beat the Steelers. Especially if your offense decides NOT to show up like its done quite alot this season.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='96811' date='Dec 1 2008, 12:47 PM']first of all you play the cowboys as well,second of all if we win next week [b]and then beat you its all over[/b] we get the division so i think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves, and finally even if we lose to you we still have to lose another game(assuming you run the table which is always hard to do regardless) and the only other team that has a shot is the cowboys, the titans offense is not nearly good enough to play the number one defense in the country.....us[/quote]

I think your going a little bit overboard there man.

"and then beat you its all over"

You seriously think that when the Steelers come to the Ravens home you guys got the W already?

The only thing thatll help you guys win the division is our game against the Cowboys.
Yours is very winnable thanks to it being in your house.
Ravens have to travel to the Cowboys house to face em.

Thatll be the only game the differs from the record.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='96822' date='Dec 1 2008, 04:58 PM']I think the chances of the Steelers beating us with the Offense we have right now is very Slim to NONE. I think YOU'RE getting ahead of yourself thinking your going to run away with the division and not have us make the playoffs. I think Dallas will easily beat the Steelers. Especially if your offense decides NOT to show up like its done quite alot this season.[/quote]

i agree your offense is good no doubt.....but so was the patriots and we shut them down....the chargers have a good offense went nowhere.... the giants probably the best in the league barely beat us , and left with many season lows on offense, good offenses are our bread and butter and your nothin new to us....secondly our offense is starting to get the run game goin finally...and ben is workin out his need to throw 3 plus int a game...its gonna be a good game but slim to none come on now be realistic

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='96826' date='Dec 1 2008, 01:03 PM']i agree your offense is good no doubt.....but so was the patriots and we shut them down....the chargers have a good offense went nowhere.... the giants probably the best in the league barely beat us , and left with many season lows on offense, good offenses are our bread and butter and your nothin new to us....secondly our offense is starting to get the run game goin finally...and ben is workin out his need to throw 3 plus int a game...its gonna be a good game but slim to none come on now be realistic[/quote]

1 thing you better hope Ben doesnt do is throw picks.

They might turn out to be pick 6s.

[PuRock]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='96811' date='Dec 1 2008, 04:47 PM']first of all you play the cowboys as well,second of all if we win next week and then beat you its all over we get the division so i think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves, and finally even if we lose to you we still have to lose another game(assuming you run the table which is always hard to do regardless) and the only other team that has a shot is the cowboys, the titans offense is not nearly good enough to play the number one defense in the country.....us[/quote]

I agree with you on this one part. Everybody on here talks about how the division is ours. That the Steelers have to play a hungry desperate, Dallas team. People! we have to play that same Dallas team too! What are they going to be not as hungry or desperate anymore???

This division question can't be fully answered until we see what happens when the Steelers come to Baltimore. But I like our chances a lot better this time around than earlier in the season.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='96825' date='Dec 1 2008, 05:02 PM']I think your going a little bit overboard there man.

"and then beat you its all over"

You seriously think that when the Steelers come to the Ravens home you guys got the W already?

The only thing thatll help you guys win the division is our game against the Cowboys.
Yours is very winnable thanks to it being in your house.
Ravens have to travel to the Cowboys house to face em.

Thatll be the only game the differs from the record.[/quote]

first of all i said if..all i was saying is you guys have the uphill battle we are a good team...there are ravens fans who are already saying after our win vs pitt thats not for certain guys we are both good teams and we are both not the same team that we were....we have both gotten better its gonna be great

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='96817' date='Dec 1 2008, 05:53 PM']anything you can do we can do better and they play us at our house.....so if you like your chances you have to like ours[/quote]

whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA. You must be forgetting our offense is ranked above yours? About 5 slots above you actually. Ben is ALWAYS nervous when he plays us. We have averaged about 25 ppg and you about 22, We have about 328 yards while you have 308. Okay so you have the number 1 defense, but just BARELY!


G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost
1 Pittsburgh Steelers 12 14.2 170 737 238.0 3.9 15.8 58 171 34 7 14 50 70 645 28:42 16 7
2 Baltimore Ravens 12 15.8 190 677 253.3 4.5 13.8 46 152 30 1 12 8 84 591 26:19 10 3

Empasis on the end fumbled and lost balls.

I'm not worried about the Steelers really at all. I know we can beat them. You just barley slid by with a win last time and we are a MUCH better team then we were then!!!!


But i'm not getting all pumped about this game yet. I'm ready for the Redskins!!!!!

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='96831' date='Dec 1 2008, 01:07 PM']first of all i said if..all i was saying is you guys have the uphill battle we are a good team...the ravens fans who are already saying after our win vs pitt thats not for certain guys we are both good teams and we are both not the same team that we were....we have both gotten better its gonna be great[/quote]

your right.

damn I cant wait for this game.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='96832' date='Dec 1 2008, 05:09 PM']whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA. You must be forgetting our offense is ranked above yours? About 5 slots above you actually. Ben is ALWAYS nervous when he plays us. We have averaged about 25 ppg and you about 22, We have about 328 yards while you have 308. Okay so you have the number 1 defense, but just BARELY!


G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost
1 Pittsburgh Steelers 12 14.2 170 737 238.0 3.9 15.8 58 171 34 7 14 50 70 645 28:42 16 7
2 Baltimore Ravens 12 15.8 190 677 253.3 4.5 13.8 46 152 30 1 12 8 84 591 26:19 10 3

Empasis on the end fumbled and lost balls.

I'm not worried about the Steelers really at all. I know we can beat them. You just barley slid by with a win last time and we are a MUCH better team then we were then!!!!


But i'm not getting all pumped about this game yet. I'm ready for the Redskins!!!!![/quote]

yea your right our offense went thru some bad games but its back on track now the last three games ben has only thrown one int and when we play mistake free football our defense forces turnovers...just ask the pats. also your defense is great but being 15 yards per game better is significant when your looking at a twelve game span

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='96837' date='Dec 1 2008, 05:16 PM']yea your right our offense went thru some bad games but its back on track now the last three games ben has only thrown one int and when we play mistake free football our defense forces turnovers...just ask the pats. also your defense is great but being 15 yards per game better is significant when your looking at a twelve game span[/quote]


Eh, say what you want. I plan to settle all my issues with Steelers fan's in OUR house soon.