Top 5 AFC North by Position - Skill Positions

[The Raven]

Purple shades McGee .

Ben won Super Bowls because of defense and receivers ? Sound familiar?!

 

If you are implying that Joe won his Superbowl because of his defense and receivers, then I really have nothing to say. That's a ridiculous statement. Sure, Boldin and Jacoby played lights out, but lets not say that he won because of them.

 

 

The play book didn't change, Caldwall gave Flacco his pair where joe should of taken them from cam in the first place

 

Hah. Okay. So you want Joe to blatantly disobey his superior? That's not how the real world works. You just don't do that.

 

And, you're right. The playbook didn't change. But, the play calling drastically changed. It was blatant.

 

Do you really still feel the need to put Joe down at every opportunity? It's really pathetic at this point, just saying. You're running out of ammo.

[sflegend89]

Looks pretty good. Only changes I'd make are Torrey Smith over Antonio Brown and BGE over Laveon Bell for sure. Bell hasn't played a snap of NFL ball yet and isn't that hot of a prospect at that. Will be another indistinguishable power back between him Redman and Dwyer. Their top 3 RB's have the same skill set and there isn't a change of pace guy unless you count scrub Larod Stephens-Howlings all the way down at #4 on the depth chart. BGE is actually one of the above average starting RB's in the league.. I no doubt would put him over everyone Pitt has right now.

 

BGE vs Pierce is a lot harder to pick because we don't know what Pierce would look like in a starting role. That one's a toss up for me, I have a feeling Pierce is the better rb overall but BGE is the guy with the starter reps and numbers so you kinda have to give him the edge. We haven't seen a big enough body of work yet from Pierce, despite his flashes of brilliance in his rookie year.

[gabefergy]

I'd put Gio Bernard over Bell easily and probably BJGE as well.

At WR Torrey > Brown. He isn't quite the route runner, but offers more explosive playmaking and scores more TDs.

[Gordo52]

I'd justify it by saying Joe has won a playoff game every season, has taken us to the championship game 3 times, exceled when Cam left, and has no durability issues like Big Ben. Doesn't matter how good you are if you only play 10 games a season.

This.

Especially the Cam leaving part. What's different between analysts crowning Kaepernick and people who think Flacco's the best in the division is that those who've watched Flacco develop his entire 5 year career knows Cams held him back. Especially the last two years.... With Cameron now out of the picture I'm very confident to say Joe is better.
Also With Joe hitting his prime and Ben in the decline, if I had to choose 1 QB for today it would be Joe no doubt. He's also king of the NFL right now.

[Gordo52]

1. Flacco
2. Roethlisburger
3. Dalton
4. Weeden

1. Rice
2. Richardson
3. Pierce
4. Bernard

Richardson could've been #1 easily, just saying.

1. Green
2. Smith
3. Brown
4. Sanders

1. Pitta
2. Miller
3. Gresham
4. Eifert

[Moderator 3]

 
And, you're right. The playbook didn't change. But, the play calling drastically changed. It was blatant.

I think what really changed was getting the play in quicker. Getting up to the line faster made a huge difference.

[1/28/01]

Do you really still feel the need to put Joe down at every opportunity? It's really pathetic at this point, just saying. You're running out of ammo.

Its quite humerous. Its like, yeah, I know whats gonna be said in this post. Eh, I'll read anyway.

[flynismo]

Purple shades McGee .

Ben won Super Bowls because of defense and receivers ? Sound familiar?!

Are you implying that Flacco won the SB because his defense and WR bailed him out like Ben's did? I really hope that you are not that foolish.

Look, we get it. For some reason you are bitter over Flacco proving you wrong over and over again, even though every one of your posts end with " ... but I hope Flacco proves me wrong". Did he kill your puppy or something?

[SteelersProphet]

Absolutely. 

 

Ben's escapability is insane but Flacco has the better arm.

I Would argue Ben has the better arm, but they are so close its a wash IMO

 

To be fair... Flacco might also have two rings if Evans does not drop that damn ball.

This should have been his second SB

I can do that with ben too.......if Joey Porter catches the interception Brady threw right to him we win the 2004 AFC Championship.........if Mendenhall doesn't fumble the ball in the 2010 Superbowl against Greenbay we win that game.......so that would put ben at 3 rings 4 trips possibly 4 rings........so if you let me count these I let you give Joe two

 

Fair enough but Ben has also missed the playoffs 3 times during his tenure. Something Joe has yet to do.

Fair enough but Ben had two rings his first five years, Something Joe has yet to do

 

He won those two because his WR and defense carried him. On the flip side, I'm not sure we win the SB with any other QB. Only one of their opponents hung more than the 34 points than we did on SF all of last year.

you seriously think you could only win with Joe.....not Brady not Rodgers not Brees or the countless other top flight QB's

 

also your WR's came up huge for flacco.......so I think he needed them to win.....so I guess they carried him too

[flynismo]

The play book didn't change, Caldwall gave Flacco his pair where joe should of taken them from cam in the first place

The playbook may not have changed, but at least you finally conceded that Cameron was largely at fault for Flacco's (and the entire offense) inconsistency. I can understand you wiping out the Cameron era from your memory, I wish I could do the same, but if you recall, our complaints over Cameron stemmed over absurd play selection, and his utter predictability. Had nothing to do with the system in place.

Caldwell did what the entire fan base plainly saw needed to be done -- get out of the way, use the run game, get Flacco in the gun more often and give him more freedom. And getting the plays in quickly was a huge difference maker in itself...having more time to scan the field and having time to move players around as needed is huge.

[flynismo]

you seriously think you could only win with Joe.....not Brady not Rodgers not Brees or the countless other top flight QB's
 
also your WR's came up huge for flacco.......so I think he needed them to win.....so I guess they carried him too

Look at the facts...you're the stat guy, right? Here's a few for you...
Only one time did anyone put up more than the 34 points on SF than we did. And it wasn't Brady or Rodgers, and both those guys played SF (Rodgers played them twice, losing to them both times, Brady lost to them, Brees lost to them while putting up 21 points, Matt Ryan put up 24 points and lost).
So, it's not just my opinion, it is a fact that Flacco is the only one of the top QBs who has shown he can beat them.

Also, are you still in denial that Ben's defense and WR bailed him out in his first SB? And Warner completely out played Ben in the second one....that James Harrison 99 yard INT for TD, and the Holmes catch, were kinda big deals

[SteelersProphet]

Well, look at the facts. Only one time did anyone put up more than the 34 points on SF than we did. And it wasn't Brady or Rodgers, and both those guys played SF (Rodgers played them twice, losing to them both times, Brady lost to them, Brees lost to them while putting up 21 points).
So, it's not just my opinion, it is a fact that Flacco is the only one of the top QBs who has shown he can beat them.

 

that's not a fair assessment of the position......every game is different.....example Ben torched Greenbay in the regular season and beat them......in the superbowl we lost....different games have different circumstances.....also what if you put Rodgers on the ravens........I think your better than you are now....I think Rodgers could have done what flacco did with your team last year

[flynismo]

that's not a fair assessment of the position......every game is different.....example Ben torched Greenbay in the regular season and beat them......in the superbowl we lost....different games have different circumstances.....also what if you put Rodgers on the ravens........I think your better than you are now....I think Rodgers could have done what flacco did with your team last year

Did Alexir hack your account??

[SteelersProphet]

Did Alexir hack your account??

 

lol Great Minds think alike

[flynismo]

lol Great Minds think alike

 

So do lunatics...just sayin' lol...

[SteelersProphet]

So do lunatics...just sayin' lol...

 

lol that's true.....

 

 

my rankings would be

 

QB

1.Big Ben

2.Flacco

3.Dalton

4.Weeden

5.Gradkowski

 

WR

AJ Green

Torrey Smith

Antonio Brown

Josh Gordon

E.Sanders

 

and my TE list is exactly the same as nflfan123's list

 

TE:

1) Heath Miller

2) Pitta

3) Gresham

4) Eifert

5) Jordan Cameron

[JoeyFlex5]

if you are on here saying that torrey is better than antonio brown, then your'e a homer. im obviously a ravens fan but i know for sure that antonio brown is better than torrey, that guy is a beast. and while im on WR's, why didnt andrew hawkins get any attention?

[flynismo]

lol that's true.....

 

 

my rankings would be

 

QB

1.Big Ben

2.Flacco

3.Dalton

4.Weeden

5.Gradkowski

 

WR

AJ Green

Torrey Smith

Antonio Brown

Josh Gordon

E.Sanders

 

and my TE list is exactly the same as nflfan123's list

 

TE:

1) Heath Miller

2) Pitta

3) Gresham

4) Eifert

5) Jordan Cameron

 

I'm good with that. I think you can make good arguments for both our QBs to be #1, so let's compromise and call them 1a and 1b.

 

With Flacco being 1a

 

:D

[flynismo]

if you are on here saying that torrey is better than antonio brown, then your'e a homer. im obviously a ravens fan but i know for sure that antonio brown is better than torrey, that guy is a beast. and while im on WR's, why didnt andrew hawkins get any attention?

The Steelers fan says Torrey is better...

personally, I think it's a coin flip...

[Alexir]

If you are implying that Joe won his Superbowl because of his defense and receivers, then I really have nothing to say. That's a ridiculous statement. Sure, Boldin and Jacoby played lights out, but lets not say that he won because of them.



Hah. Okay. So you want Joe to blatantly disobey his superior? That's not how the real world works. You just don't do that.

And, you're right. The playbook didn't change. But, the play calling drastically changed. It was blatant.

Do you really still feel the need to put Joe down at every opportunity? It's really pathetic at this point, just saying. You're running out of ammo.

Not putting him down, read all my posts. You are showing major ignorance if u think I'm putting anyone down.

I just can't stand hypocrisy when people say The Steelers made it to their superbowls because of their defense and receivers where if a Steeler fan said the same for Flacco and Ravens, you all would whine.

I've said Flacco has had an amazing post season. Bens done it 2 more times though. So I guess wins and postseason success is only measured for Flacco but not Big Ben? Cool

[SteelersProphet]

I'm good with that. I think you can make good arguments for both our QBs to be #1, so let's compromise and call them 1a and 1b.

 

With Flacco being 1a

 

:D

 

lol Im good with the 1a and 1b part

[ravensdan]

I'd put Gio Bernard over Bell easily and probably BJGE as well.

At WR Torrey > Brown. He isn't quite the route runner, but offers more explosive playmaking and scores more TDs.

I could be convinced to put bernard and bell in over bjge. I dissagree with the previous posters sentiments about bell however. I don't think he's that similar to what they have now. Yes he runs with power bt he also has more speed than those guys or the law firm. Not blazing but enough. His receiving abilities are highly regarded as well.

The reason I didn't include bernard is I'm not sure he will get the opportunity to show all of his abilities this year. The bengals can be a bit boneheaded in this regard. Maybe that will change.

[flynismo]

I just can't stand hypocrisy when people say The Steelers made it to their superbowls because of their defense and receivers where if a Steeler fan said the same for Flacco and Ravens, you all would whine.
 

Because maybe Flacco just put together the best postseason run in NFL history?

[Alexir]

Are you implying that Flacco won the SB because his defense and WR bailed him out like Ben's did? I really hope that you are not that foolish.

Look, we get it. For some reason you are bitter over Flacco proving you wrong over and over again, even though every one of your posts end with " ... but I hope Flacco proves me wrong". Did he kill your puppy or something?

I'm not saying anything bad about the guy lol

You people choose what to read and misinterpret it. I'm just saying you guys get ticked when people say Flaccos early on playoff victories are because of defense and playmakers and all that but then you go out and say that about Ben? That's what I'm preaching. Stop with the hypocrisy . Joe played lights out in playoffs.

[Alexir]

Because maybe Flacco just put together the best postseason run in NFL history?

... Talking about his whole career... No one is discrediting this season especially not me

[SteelersProphet]

The Steelers fan says Torrey is better...

personally, I think it's a coin flip...

I think its really close too.....the reason I give the edge to torrey is because he has games where he just lights everybody up and takes the game over....brown is great but he is more of a consistently good receiver.....now he has his splash play moments too but not like torrey

[flynismo]

I thinks its really close too.....the reason I give the edge to torrey is because he has games where he just lights everybody up and takes the game over....brown is great but he is more of a consistently good receiver.....now he has his splash play moments too but not like torrey

 

true...but Brown's consistency is invaluable. I think just on pure skill set, Torrey is better, but Torrey also disappears too often. Why that is is up for debate, but you know that every week, Brown is going to produce.

[ravensdan]

1. Flacco
2. Roethlisburger
3. Dalton
4. Weeden

1. Rice
2. Richardson
3. Pierce
4. Bernard

Richardson could've been #1 easily, just saying.

1. Green
2. Smith
3. Brown
4. Sanders

1. Pitta
2. Miller
3. Gresham
4. Eifert

Richardson could have been 1? No I don't think that is close whatsoever. I'm not impressed with trent. He hasn't really shown the power running he was billed to have. He rates quite low in this category. I will admit he is a much bettert receiver than I anticipated. However his durrability is in qestion. Injuries his senior year. Then rookie year with the browns and now he is out till june as well huge question for a running back.

I think the argument could be made to put pierce over him. He would start for over half the league and has shown foster like abilities.

[SteelersProphet]

they are different types of receivers........but they are both solid WR's

[Alexir]

Did Alexir hack your account??

Saying no one but us could put up 34 points on San Fran is just ignorant. Technically our offense put up 27. Any given Sunday. Rodgers or Brady could of. Could we do it again? Who knows! Hell we have a shoot out with Pats in regular season and then we destroy them in playoffs. Everything was going right for us and we were peaking at the right time.

Just don't see how you can make a generalization based on 1 game.