John Harbaugh

[TonyTone1192]

I love everything about John except his challenges.  I know that's not 100% his decision, as the guys upstairs give a lot of input. However, I often question why he's throwing the challenge flag in certain situations.  He does everything else incredibly well.

 

 

Really? He really hasn't done much of anything without Brady I'm not saying he didn't have a part in the wins and he has been able to morph both the o and d to his personel but Brady makes him look like a genius not the other way around. My top 5 coaches would be.

Coughlin
John harbaugh
Reid
Tomlin
Belicheck

 

In that order?

[H8R]

John has done a wonderful job. Not to mention, he seems to be getting better at something each year! Hes a hard worker , that's for certain and he has delivered results!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Really? He really hasn't done much of anything without Brady I'm not saying he didn't have a part in the wins and he has been able to morph both the o and d to his personel but Brady makes him look like a genius not the other way around. My top 5 coaches would be.

Coughlin
John harbaugh
Reid
Tomlin
Belicheck

 

 

Reid really?

 

I mean maybe he burnt out with the Philly job, but his clock management is terrible. He tries to fit personnel to his offense instead of building an offense around his teams strengths. He hired an O-line coach as D-Coordinator, and then brought in a D-line coach to cut his legs out from underneath him. HE CANNOT DRAFT. He tries to be players' friend instead of their coach.

He had one of the best RB's in the game in Lesean McCoy yet never ran the ball (lets see if he does the same with Jamal Charles). He tried to turn Vick into a pocket passer (lets see if he makes the same mistake with Alex Smith).

 

4 nfc championship games, only won once.

1 Super Bowl and lost.

That's it for like 13 seasons.

 

If that happened in Baltimore we'd call for his head. Andy Reid is NOT a top 5 coach, hes just a media and national darling. I live in Philly now, and trust me he wasnt a good coach. He had some success but never won a ring as a HC and definitely should have with 4 straight chances.

 

NOTE: only coach on your list w/o a ring, and Harbaugh's the only one without multiple rings. Harbaugh's done more in 5 seasons than Reid did in 13. Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Fisher, Mike Smith, Gary Kubiak, Pete Carroll, John Fox, and Mike Shanahan I would put ahead of Andy Reid personally.   

[ravensdan]

Reid really?

I mean maybe he burnt out with the Philly job, but his clock management is terrible. He tries to fit personnel to his offense instead of building an offense around his teams strengths. He hired an O-line coach as D-Coordinator, and then brought in a D-line coach to cut his legs out from underneath him. HE CANNOT DRAFT. He tries to be players' friend instead of their coach.
He had one of the best RB's in the game in Lesean McCoy yet never ran the ball (lets see if he does the same with Jamal Charles). He tried to turn Vick into a pocket passer (lets see if he makes the same mistake with Alex Smith).

4 nfc championship games, only won once.
1 Super Bowl and lost.
That's it for like 13 seasons.

If that happened in Baltimore we'd call for his head. Andy Reid is NOT a top 5 coach, hes just a media and national darling. I live in Philly now, and trust me he wasnt a good coach. He had some success but never won a ring as a HC and definitely should have with 4 straight chances.

NOTE: only coach on your list w/o a ring, and Harbaugh's the only one without multiple rings. Harbaugh's done more in 5 seasons than Reid did in 13. Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Fisher, Mike Smith, Gary Kubiak, Pete Carroll, John Fox, and Mike Shanahan I would put ahead of Andy Reid personally.

Reid has had a knack for taking a bunch of scrub qbs(including Vick) and making them look like they are all world. He had that Philly team on contention nearly every year for a decade. He has been extremely consistent and ahead of the curve in his overall offensive gameplan. He fed his running backs through the passing game. Another trend that a lot of teams are moving to now.

I will not defend his last coordinator debacle. But the fact is when you take a risk and it works you look like a genius when it doesn't it can get very messy very quick.

My next 5 would be FYI...
Fisher
McCarthy
Payton
Lewis
Jim harbaugh

[beanfigger]

Reid has had a knack for taking a bunch of scrub qbs(including Vick) and making them look like they are all world. He had that Philly team on contention nearly every year for a decade. He has been extremely consistent and ahead of the curve in his overall offensive gameplan. He fed his running backs through the passing game. Another trend that a lot of teams are moving to now.

I will not defend his last coordinator debacle. But the fact is when you take a risk and it works you look like a genius when it doesn't it can get very messy very quick.

My next 5 would be FYI...
Fisher
McCarthy
Payton
Lewis
Jim harbaugh

 

Reid is the Cam Cameron of head coaching.  Top 5 is a real stretch, let alone top 3.  Living in Philly, I saw first hand how he personally held his team back from easy victories and championships.  He can make a team rise to perennial playoff contention, but he can't put them over the top.  The Eagles were so much more talented than the rest of the NFC for years, and to only go to one Superbowl is unacceptable.

 

Having said that, he is absolutely what the Chiefs need right now.  If they're smart, they'll use him for about 4 or 5 years, return some relevance and confidence to that franchise, then dump him for a championship-caliber coach.  The Eagles stuck with him far too long, and he clearly wasn't capable of taking that next step.

[theblackdog]

I love seeing Harbaugh argue, it is quite funny.

 

 

 

 

My friends and I have noticed that late in the games that CBS tends to limit how much they show Harbaugh if it's not going well, likely because the man is swearing up a storm.

 

I remember back in 2009 we were playing the Patriots and the cameras were on him when he was arguing with a ref.  They didn't turn down the microphone enough because there was a faint "This is [profanity deleted]!" that came over the broadcast.  I cracked up laughing at that one.

[theblackdog]

I love seeing Harbaugh argue, it is quite funny.

 

 

 

My friends and I have noticed that late in the games that CBS tends to limit how much they show Harbaugh if it's not going well, likely because the man is swearing up a storm.

 

I remember back in 2009 we were playing the Patriots and the cameras were on him when he was arguing with a ref.  They didn't turn down the microphone enough because there was a faint "This is [profanity deleted]!" that came over the broadcast.  I cracked up laughing at that one.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I dont understand how typically "experts" say Jim is better than John... yet they've played eachother twice and John has come out on top both times.

And this year John did it with an inferior team talent-wise.

Obviously John cheated... C'mon now

[ellicottraven]

In my mind he is a top 3 HC in the NFL. I think he belongs in that elite group with Bellichik and Jim Harbaugh with only Bellichik ahead of him in terms of accomplishments....

[Cville-Raven]

Hi I'm mike smith and 4th down is just another down.

[The_Farm]

John has done a wonderful job. Not to mention, he seems to be getting better at something each year! Hes a hard worker , that's for certain and he has delivered results!

 

I agree that he's gotten better every year.  Especially in time management.  That was probably his biggest weakness in his first year. 

 

One thing I like about Harbaugh is that he stresses that the team is constantly trying to become better.  They won't be complacent after winning this Super Bowl.  Watching Hard Knocks the other night showing the Ravens after the 2000 SB victory, it's a stark contrast between Harbaugh and Billick.  Times have changed since Camp Cream Puff : )

 

Not knocking Billick, he was an effective coach for the Ravens for several years; However, I think Harbaugh will be successful for many more yeas if he continues his workman approach.

[ravensdan]

I agree that he's gotten better every year.  Especially in time management.  That was probably his biggest weakness in his first year. 

 

One thing I like about Harbaugh is that he stresses that the team is constantly trying to become better.  They won't be complacent after winning this Super Bowl.  Watching Hard Knocks the other night showing the Ravens after the 2000 SB victory, it's a stark contrast between Harbaugh and Billick.  Times have changed since Camp Cream Puff : )

 

Not knocking Billick, he was an effective coach for the Ravens for several years; However, I think Harbaugh will be successful for many more yeas if he continues his workman approach.

 

 

This is somewhat off topic, but does anyone remember how atrocious Romeo Crenell was at time management, I believe he was the worst I have ever seen. 

[jdynamite]

I'll give John credit for finally putting his friendship with Cam Cameron aside and doing what was best for the team ( although the timing was a bit off because Cameron got fired after the Redskin game, a game that the offense performed well and the defense folded ).
I think my biggest knock on John Harbaugh for last 3 seasons was that it seemed that he allowed Cameron too much control over the offense and he never forced the play-calling to evolve.

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[jdynamite]

I'll give John credit for finally putting his friendship with Cam Cameron aside and doing what was best for the team ( although the timing was a bit off because Cameron got fired after the Redskin game, a game that the offense performed well and the defense folded ).
I think my biggest knock on John Harbaugh for last 3 seasons was that it seemed that he allowed Cameron too much control over the offense and he never forced the play-calling to evolve.

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[beanfigger]

This is somewhat off topic, but does anyone remember how atrocious Romeo Crenell was at time management, I believe he was the worst I have ever seen. 

 

It's hard for me to agree having been forced to watch Andy Reid's team play here in Philly for so long.

[Guest RBates]

Fair enough
I think of our harbs as a great leader/motivator/delegator
And not exactly the best at the X's and O's but that's clearly what we needed

I agree 

[Tank 92]

Who has a better record of reaching the POs in their first 5 seasons as a HC?  just sayin'...........

[Guest RBates]

I don't think that's what the head coach should be focused on. That's the coordinators job. Harbaugh has been able to out gameplan nearly every uper echelon coach in the playoffs which is what counts the most.

To be completely fair about it.  He has a really good staff.  He should be commended for their production.  I'm not sure how you game plan when you don't draw up X'sand O's. I guess he just points to where he wants to attack teams then his coordinators scheme it up.  

[PolishRifle]

I'll give John credit for finally putting his friendship with Cam Cameron aside and doing what was best for the team ( although the timing was a bit off because Cameron got fired after the Redskin game, a game that the offense performed well and the defense folded ).
I think my biggest knock on John Harbaugh for last 3 seasons was that it seemed that he allowed Cameron too much control over the offense and he never forced the play-calling to evolve.

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To be fair to John, Cam did a good job developing Flacco into a solid QB, who came from a small school and needed time to grow. Cameron's system also gets alot of production out of RBs, albeit at the cost of never full utilizing the potential of the QB.

I think the firing should've happened last offseason, maybe the season before that.

[GrimCoconut]

To be fair to John, Cam did a good job developing Flacco into a solid QB, who came from a small school and needed time to grow. Cameron's system also gets alot of production out of RBs, albeit at the cost of never full utilizing the potential of the QB.
I think the firing should've happened last offseason, maybe the season before that.

Agreed. Cam is great at developing talent but has a hard time letting go. I think the college environment is the absolute best for him. He won't be able to have a guy for too many years. Quarterbacks should really benefit from him as well as RBs. He'll make them all look good.

[scrock]

He's not given enough credit for the job he's done and he's also outshined by his brother in San Fran....he's considered a top 5 coach I think in some lists posted on nfl.com and elsewhere

 

...but his name is usually forgotten about when mentioned among best coaches in the league, its usually BB, Payton, Tomlin, Coughlin, brother Jim, etc