John Harbaugh

[TonyTone1192]

That 5-11 record was very misleading. The team had talent and was injured. That said its been interesting to see the team built for him. The sb showed me his knowledge of the rulebooks and that he has more guts than I thought. I think with the old regime out we will see how much impact he really has that might've been overlooked before.

 

I agree. 

 

W/o Reed & Lewis' leadership now I believe it is now HIS team and we'll see how good of a coach he can truly be.

[AsianRice]

If you want to know who is better John, ask his new shiny SB 2013 ring!....

[TonyTone1192]

When we gonna lock him up you think?

 

Depending on the teams' suc

[Guest RBates]

Harbaugh is the best Team manager in recent history.  

 

 

Ill use the term coach when he comes equipped with his own playbook for either offense or defense.

 

With that said:  We are lucky to have him.  

 

His staff is the best the league has to offer and I'm grateful for him and all of our coaches.  

[JoeyFlex5]

I dont understand how typically "experts" say Jim is better than John... yet they've played eachother twice and John has come out on top both times.
 
And this year John did it with an inferior team talent-wise.

because ray lewis was our real coach according to them

[Gordo52]

Depending on the teams' suc

Well in the very successful 5 years that he's been here I don't remember ever hearing about his contract situation or the possibility of an extension. Just curious is all

[CARavensFan]

Harbaugh is the best Team manager in recent history.  

 

 

Ill use the term coach when he comes equipped with his own playbook for either offense or defense.

 

With that said:  We are lucky to have him.  

 

His staff is the best the league has to offer and I'm grateful for him and all of our coaches.  

 

You don't think John has any coaching input what so ever on the team? He definitely had more input in the schemes as things have gone on; he's said as much.

 

In some way having not come from a offensive or defensive side of the ball has helped because he can jump between the two and give a fresh perspective to the coaches on that side of the ball.

 

I think the thing that most impresses me about John is that fact that he has been growing as a coach just as the players, in teh beginning he had two dominat OC and DC (Cam and Rex) and slowly as he became more comfortable with the schemes we play he has had more input with the new OC and DC that we have brough on since the start of his time here.

[TonyTone1192]

Well in the very successful 5 years that he's been here I don't remember ever hearing about his contract situation or the possibility of an extension. Just curious is all

 

Lol my comment got cut off... Depending on the teams' success in the upcoming seasons. The reason being is b/c we've always had the veteran leadership of Lewis and Reed to keep things in check. Now the gloves are off and this is Harbaugh's team. But I don't expect him to disappoint.

[theblackdog]

Well in the very successful 5 years that he's been here I don't remember ever hearing about his contract situation or the possibility of an extension. Just curious is all

 

I remember Harbs got an extension at one point.  Wikipedia says he signed a 3 year extension in 2011, so we have him until 2014 or longer if we offer him another one.

[Gordo52]

I remember Harbs got an extension at one point. Wikipedia says he signed a 3 year extension in 2011, so we have him until 2014 or longer if we offer him another one.

i don't remember ever hearing about it

[The Raven]

i don't remember ever hearing about it

 

Yeah, he got one. I  want him to get a few more years added to that though.

[Tiz]

Harbaugh is the best Team manager in recent history.  
 
 
Ill use the term coach when he comes equipped with his own playbook for either offense or defense.
 
With that said:  We are lucky to have him.  
 
His staff is the best the league has to offer and I'm grateful for him and all of our coaches.

Fair enough
I think of our harbs as a great leader/motivator/delegator
And not exactly the best at the X's and O's but that's clearly what we needed

[GrimCoconut]

People look at Harbaugh and think just because he kept Cam around that it indicates he is a poor Xs and Os coach. I just don't buy that.

I think people look at John and see a guy who surrounds himself with talented guys and they say that's indicative that John needs them because he isn't good at calling the plays. Maybe that's true. It's all hyperbole anyway. Nobody can validate it and I'm sure John won't say he knows nothing about calling plays.

I honestly don't think that's the case. I think John can call the plays because I remember reading somewhere that he has done this. I can't remember where. Also, not that our offense was gangbusters or anything but didn't they say John was going to take a larger role calling plays last year before the season? I thought I remembered reading that.

Regardless, Harbaugh is a Hell of a coach and I'm beyond happy we got him.

Personally, I often wonder about how important it is for the head coach to call the plays. I think it may actually be better to have a coordinator coordinate and the head coach concern himself with critical decisions and personnel management than to have him trying to run the defense or offense and manage personnel. Look at the many coordinators who are head coaches who try to continue to call plays as well a concern themselves with the entire team atmosphere. I realize this might not be the best example as I'm aware there are clearly coordinators who become HC and continue to call plays and perform well.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I love John as our coach.  He's smart, but knows how to take it out on the refs when he wants to make a point.

 

One thing that irks me though, he sometimes has a few issues with timeouts and challenges towards the ends of games.  There have been a few instances in his time here where at the end of the game, there's a close play, we have two challenges left, and Harbaugh doesn't challenge, but then calls a timeout instead.  It drives me up the wall.  Just challenge it, there's absolutely nothing to lose!

 

But that's the only thing I don't like :)

[rmw10]

I love everything about John except his challenges.  I know that's not 100% his decision, as the guys upstairs give a lot of input. However, I often question why he's throwing the challenge flag in certain situations.  He does everything else incredibly well.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I love seeing Harbaugh argue, it is quite funny.

 

 

[SecretAgentMan]

I love seeing Harbaugh argue, it is quite funny.

 

 

It's not nearly as good as how his bro does it

 

[Mt. Crushmore]

It's not nearly as good as how his bro does it

 

It clearly runs in the family.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Found one of the parents as well.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

It clearly runs in the family.

Yep... And I love it! 

[ravensdan]

I hate the Pats but BB is by far the best coach in the league. The things he has done for that team is ridiculous. Let's stop pretending that Spygate gave them some great advantage. Most teams did it and they still managed to have one of the best seasons the year after.


He IS the Pats FO. The OC and DC are just puppets. He is the OC, DC, HC, ST Coach, GM, of that team.

Really? He really hasn't done much of anything without Brady I'm not saying he didn't have a part in the wins and he has been able to morph both the o and d to his personel but Brady makes him look like a genius not the other way around. My top 5 coaches would be.

Coughlin
John harbaugh
Reid
Tomlin
Belicheck

[ravensdan]

Harbaugh is the best Team manager in recent history.


Ill use the term coach when he comes equipped with his own playbook for either offense or defense.

With that said: We are lucky to have him.

His staff is the best the league has to offer and I'm grateful for him and all of our coaches.

I don't think that's what the head coach should be focused on. That's the coordinators job. Harbaugh has been able to out gameplan nearly every uper echelon coach in the playoffs which is what counts the most.

[ravensdan]

One other point I would like to make. I loved billick as a coach and he was what we needed at the time and he should be given credit for helping to build the foundation of this franchise

Harbaugh is currently in the best of the best category of coaches and has been out coaching the greats in the playoffs there is nothing more important.

[The Raven]

Really? He really hasn't done much of anything without Brady I'm not saying he didn't have a part in the wins and he has been able to morph both the o and d to his personel but Brady makes him look like a genius not the other way around. My top 5 coaches would be.

Coughlin
John harbaugh
Reid
Tomlin
Belicheck

 

In NO WAY does Brady make BB look like a genius. First, BB took a 6th round player and made him good. Maybe Brady was the rare player to excel as a late round pick, or maybe he's the norm. Second, even Matt Cassel had success in BB's regime. Now, he's doing jack. BB clearly makes Brady look good by protecting him with a great oline and giving him weapons year after year, not to mention the coaching staff and scheme around him.

 

ravensdan, on 23 May 2013 - 9:49 PM, said:
I don't think that's what the head coach should be focused on. That's the coordinators job. Harbaugh has been able to out gameplan nearly every uper echelon coach in the playoffs which is what counts the most.

 

Game planning has an awful lot to do with x's and o's and the knowledge of a playbook though. And BB is one of the best at gameplanning. 

[GTRavens]

In NO WAY does Brady make BB look like a genius. First, BB took a 6th round player and made him good. Maybe Brady was the rare player to excel as a late round pick, or maybe he's the norm. Second, even Matt Cassel had success in BB's regime. Now, he's doing jack. BB clearly makes Brady look good by protecting him with a great oline and giving him weapons year after year, not to mention the coaching staff and scheme around him.

 

 

Game planning has an awful lot to do with x's and o's and the knowledge of a playbook though. And BB is one of the best at gameplanning. 

How does Bill Belichick, a lifelong defensive coach, "make" a quarterback good? I've heard other people say it before and I don't understand it.

 

And early in Brady's career, when he was winning Super Bowls, he had neither a strong o-line nor a strong group of weapons.

[The Raven]

How does Bill Belichick, a lifelong defensive coach, "make" a quarterback good? I've heard other people say it before and I don't understand it.

 

And early in Brady's career, when he was winning Super Bowls, he had neither a strong o-line nor a strong group of weapons.

 

1. It is ignorant to assume that a defensive coach knows nothing of offense. Downright foolish.

 

2. Beg to differ. He had a solid line, serviceable receivers, and a great supporting defense. I mean, Deion Branch won MVP in one of the Superbowls, for what that's worth.

 

EDIT: More on point two... Brady had very pedestrian numbers in his first and third Superbowls, further supporting my point that Brady is a product of Belichick's scheme and regime.

[beasy2487]

John Harbaugh is a phenomenal head coach. The job of the head coach is to create an environment for success. That's the job of all leaders. In some instances, that means calling X's and O's. In others it means putting good people in place and equipping them to do their jobs at a high level. Clearly our situation is the latter. Bisciotti hired Harbaugh because of his vision. That vision has made us a near lock for success in every year over the past 5 when, in each of those years, we've had astronomical weaknesses: 1) Rookie QB 2) Abominable O-line 3) Catastrophic 2ndary 4) Receiving Corps? 5) Defense?

 

I think organizational culture is underrated when it comes to football teams. They are as much business enterprises as they are sports entities, and if anything the primal nature of the end product amplifies the need for a strong ethos. Harbaugh has created a culture that has weathered every possible obstacle in his five years here with his ability to coach a mentality, not just mechanics.

 

In a nutshell: Good coaches work in the team, great coaches work on the team. John Harbaugh is a great one.

[GTRavens]

1. It is ignorant to assume that a defensive coach knows nothing of offense. Downright foolish.

 

2. Beg to differ. He had a solid line, serviceable receivers, and a great supporting defense. I mean, Deion Branch won MVP in one of the Superbowls, for what that's worth.

 

EDIT: More on point two... Brady had very pedestrian numbers in his first and third Superbowls, further supporting my point that Brady is a product of Belichick's scheme and regime.

1. I never said that. But to say that a QB is the "product" of someone who has always been a defensive specialist, especially when Drew Bledsoe failed in the same system...it's wrong.

 

2. Nope, it was not a very good offense. Brady's offensive line graded out relatively poorly according to metrics in his early years, and his receiving core ranged from well below average to the worst in the league from 2001-2006. Deion Branch's Super Bowl MVP is a merely a one game sample (always unreliable), and he never had a 1000 yard season, He was pretty average, and well below average for a #1 receiver.

 

3. Brady's individual numbers in Super Boiwls (again, way too small of a sample) were absolutely not pedestrian in his third Super Bowl. They weren't great in the first, but that's one out of three. And if his pedestrian numbers in that one game prove that he is a product of Belichick, his not-pedestrian numbers throughout his career prove the opposite. 

[The Raven]

1. I never said that. But to say that a QB is the "product" of someone who has always been a defensive specialist, especially when Drew Bledsoe failed in the same system...it's wrong.

 

2. Nope, it was not a very good offense. Brady's offensive line graded out relatively poorly according to metrics in his early years, and his receiving core ranged from well below average to the worst in the league from 2001-2006. Deion Branch's Super Bowl MVP is a merely a one game sample (always unreliable), and he never had a 1000 yard season, He was pretty average, and well below average for a #1 receiver.

 

3. Brady's individual numbers in Super Boiwls (again, way too small of a sample) were absolutely not pedestrian in his third Super Bowl. They weren't great in the first, but that's one out of three. And if his pedestrian numbers in that one game prove that he is a product of Belichick, his not-pedestrian numbers throughout his career prove the opposite. 

 

1. Matt Cassel did well. I think that's a good enough example to show how great Belichick's system it.

 

2. I said solid line and serviceable receivers. 

 

3. He's never not played for Belichick, so how do his career numbers prove he isn't a product of Belichick and the system?

 

Anyways, this isn't even about Tom Brady. It's about how Belichick took a sixth round pick and developed him into an elite quarterback while aiding him with a scheme that masks his deficiencies. It's about how Belichick routinely finds role players at WR and HB, yet the offense is almost always in the top five, or close to it. Belichick is great at finding the guys that fit his scheme and finding a role for them. He's also great at adjusting the scheme as needed. Seriously, look at the receivers that team has fielded the past few years. Bunch of no names, or guys that would be no names like Welker. Welker was cut by the Dolphins. Then he goes to New England where he blossoms into a 100 catch, 1000+ yard receiver? Belichick is the best head coach in the league when it comes to strategy and team building. 

 

But I digress, this thread is about Harbaugh. Lets bring this back on topic.

[flynismo]

Fun fact...
Anyone remember Brian Pillman? Played for Bengals then went into pro wrestling...guess who his roomie was in college? Harbs!

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