Mount Rushmore of Ravens

[Bltravens]

What? There is no factual basis to say the 2000 Ravens would have lost without Stover, and I think it's an insult to the greatest defense of all time to even imply such a thing. The Ravens outscored their playoff opponents 95-23...how do any of those wins turn into losses without Stover? 

That team doesn't even make the playoffs without automatic Matt.

[codizzle]

That team doesn't even make the playoffs without automatic Matt.

Sadly yes that is how bad that offense was

[Yatagarasu]

Ray Lewis

Jonathan Ogden

Joe Flacco

Ed Reed

 

Those are the easy choices due to the fact three of them are Hall of Fame material and one is a franchise QB.

[K-Dog]

We are SO fortunate to have so many to pick from in our short history.

[arnie_uk]

Ogden
Ray Lewis
Ed Reed
Jamal Lewis
Joe Flacco
Suggs
Ngata
Rice

...could go on and on but this isnt the Rushmore of very good, this is the Rushmore of GREATNESS

yea, there's only four heads

[Gordo52]

Ray Lewis
Jonathan Ogden
Ed Reed
Joe Flacco.

It's hard for me to put a kicker up there, Stover belongs among the greatest Ravens ever but Joe, IMO has all the accolades already to be up here.

Even though Stover carried the teams offense in 2000, I believe Joes done more in the last 5 years and will do even more in the next. Stover would be 5 though.

[Gordo52]

The Mount Rushmore for Ravens players/coaches...

Art,Ray,Ozzie,Reed

It's hard for me to leave Biscotti out because of how great of an owner he is.

[TheMadRaven]

Kyle Boller
Frank Walker
Dan Cody
Yamon Figures

:)

[Alexir]

Baltimore Football

Unitas
Lewis
JO
Marchetti

Ravens
Lewis
JO
Reed
Stover

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Unitas
Lewis
Brooks
Cal

[PolishRifle]

It's hard not to put Flacco on it. His playoff run won us the SB and the ascension of the passing offense changed the team. If he manages to become more consistent and wins atleast another SB, he might very well become the greatest Raven as of yet, even passing Lewis, just based on the importance of the QB position.

Lewis and Reed were the faces of the franchise for a good long time and JO was the first great pick Ozzie made basically becoming the foundation of the teams success.

[rmw10]

Even with only 7 seasons in Baltimore? Played in 6 of them. 2004 and 2005 he rushed for a total of 10 TDs
Everybody else played at least 11 seasons

Yes. He meant a lot to this team. However, he'd be the first one off. I think Flacco could officially "take over" this year, but for now, I pick Jamal. Even though he didn't play here long, he was dominant.

[CARavensFan]

This may seem like a silly rule, but I would argue that it should be guys that played their entire careers here, ergo my Mt. Rushmore:

 

Ray Lewis

JO

Ozzie

Art

 

By the end of his career I believe Joe will have a place on this list, but right now I give the nod to the greatest GM and the owner who brought the Ravens to Baltimore.

[GrimCoconut]

I think John Harbaugh deserves a spot.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Ray Lewis

Jonathan Ogden

Ed Reed

Matt Stover

 

Give me one more great year from Joe and he takes the spot from Stover.

[GTRavens]

That team doesn't even make the playoffs without automatic Matt.

I'd love to know how a team that went 12-4 and more than doubled its opponents in points during the season somehow misses the playoffs with a different kicker.

 

There are plenty of ways to give credit to Stover without outright lying.

[JoeyFlex5]

man.. whats up with the ed reed lovefest? does anyone pay attention to the fact that he spent his last 2 years here as nothing but a distraction for the team? he was begging for attention once ray announced his retirement, and then he left for greener pastures after he got his SB ring. instead of retiring as a injured, hobbled, old and grey SB champion and HOF safety, he went ahead and kept his injuries quiet, and signed with a conference rival for a extra million dollars, and did the ravens AND texans dirty. just the way he went ahead and ditched the city he claimed to love so much for a couple extra bucks after we got him his only ring, is just wrong to me, and i could never put his face on a ravens mount rushmore, over a guy like flacco who has been nothing but a down to earth, class act of a leader, and not only does he not cause locker room drama, he takes a beating from the media and everyone outside the organization, and does nothing but go to work and prove them wrong repeatedly. i think putting ed reed in front of joe in this situation is just criminal. sorry if i sound aggressive, im not trying to lol but i just cant believe how everyone seems to be so against any type of player that causes drama, but at the same time are so in love with ed reed..

[codizzle]

I'd love to know how a team that went 12-4 and more than doubled its opponents in points during the season somehow misses the playoffs with a different kicker.

There are plenty of ways to give credit to Stover without outright lying.

We went over a month without scoring a touchdown..

Where literally our only offense was Matt Stover

[I AM LEGEND]

Ray
Ed
JO

And

Suggs

Suggs has been the definition of a Raven....loud, abrupt, cocky but can back it up...and I love that about him.

[jimmypowder]

These are my choices:

1)Kyle 'I can throw from my knees" Boller

2)Dan 'i'm hurt again' Cody

3)Oneil 'Matador" Cousins

4)Frank "Red Flag" Walker

[I AM LEGEND]

man.. whats up with the ed reed lovefest? does anyone pay attention to the fact that he spent his last 2 years here as nothing but a distraction for the team? he was begging for attention once ray announced his retirement, and then he left for greener pastures after he got his SB ring. instead of retiring as a injured, hobbled, old and grey SB champion and HOF safety, he went ahead and kept his injuries quiet, and signed with a conference rival for a extra million dollars, and did the ravens AND texans dirty. just the way he went ahead and ditched the city he claimed to love so much for a couple extra bucks after we got him his only ring, is just wrong to me, and i could never put his face on a ravens mount rushmore, over a guy like flacco who has been nothing but a down to earth, class act of a leader, and not only does he not cause locker room drama, he takes a beating from the media and everyone outside the organization, and does nothing but go to work and prove them wrong repeatedly. i think putting ed reed in front of joe in this situation is just criminal. sorry if i sound aggressive, im not trying to lol but i just cant believe how everyone seems to be so against any type of player that causes drama, but at the same time are so in love with ed reed..

So to you this is a Ed vs Flacco discussion...

Despite what Ed did this offseason I'm pretty sure the majority of fans will say AS of NOW that Ed has lambasted his Ravens legacy more than Joe...its not a knock on Joe just ED is a legend here despite him not playing here anymore.

[CARavensFan]

I think John Harbaugh deserves a spot.

 

I think that by the end of his time here both John and Joe could have a spot along side JO and Ray, but I would still give the nod to Ozzie over John seeing as he was the mastermind behind two Super Bowl winning teams.

[GrimCoconut]

I think that by the end of his time here both John and Joe could have a spot along side JO and Ray, but I would still give the nod to Ozzie over John seeing as he was the mastermind behind two Super Bowl winning teams.

I love Ozzie like the next guy but talent without someone to bring it out is worthless. Look at how inconsistent we were before John. Billick wasn't a bad coach but he wasn't the best either.

[arnie_uk]

I think John Harbaugh deserves a spot.

is this sarcasm

[GTRavens]

We went over a month without scoring a touchdown..

Where literally our only offense was Matt Stover

Except we still only went 2-3. So...we only made the playoffs because of Matt Stover's kicking in games we lost anyway?

[JoeyFlex5]

So to you this is a Ed vs Flacco discussion...

Despite what Ed did this offseason I'm pretty sure the majority of fans will say AS of NOW that Ed has lambasted his Ravens legacy more than Joe...its not a knock on Joe just ED is a legend here despite him not playing here anymore.

theres no denying hes a legendary player, greatest safety to ever live, but i feel like behavior has a big effect on legacy, or at least it SHOULD have a big effect on legacy, and ed reed tarnished his legacy big time with his loud mouth, attention craving antics, and these fans dont seem to care, but if someone wanted to bring a TO in his prime(just for example) to the ravens, everyone on these forums wouldve said "NOOO not him hes a loudmouth distraction" but when ed reed does all that and then ditches us like he did, he gets a free pass just because he got some picks and broke some records? cmon man i cant agree with the extreme hypocrisy in that. everyone always preaches "play like a raven" which basically means be a high character guy, go to work every day, dont run your mouth, dont be a diva, put the team first, and resolve all locker room issues IN the locker room, ed reed didnt do any of that, he was the opposite of that in his last few years here, so why does his legacy seem to be complete untouched? i just dont understand it not one bit

[CARavensFan]

I love Ozzie like the next guy but talent without someone to bring it out is worthless. Look at how inconsistent we were before John. Billick wasn't a bad coach but he wasn't the best either.

 

I agree its a package deal, we see really good GMs get fired because the team doesn't peform and we also see good coaches fail because they have bad talent.

 

My argument for Ozzie would simply based on his histroy with the Franchise, Ray Lewis was here for 17 years, JO for 12 (I think?), and Ozzie has been here for 17 years as well. I'm not saying that John couldn't get there as well, but he's only been here for 5 years and while they have been an incredibly consistent 5 years, its not the same type of longgevity that would give him a top 4 spot in the history of the franchise, IMHO.

 

Now that could change as time goes on and like I said its just my opinion, by the same token I don't think you could put Joe there over some of the other guys here, but by the end of his career I think he will be there.

[GrimCoconut]

is this sarcasm

Nope. I think he's done a good job here. Billick had a lot of talent but hasn't had the same success as Harbaugh. He's done a fantastic job with the team in terms of being a manager of the personnel.

I like him a lot.

[GrimCoconut]

I agree its a package deal, we see really good GMs get fired because the team doesn't peform and we also see good coaches fail because they have bad talent.

My argument for Ozzie would simply based on his histroy with the Franchise, Ray Lewis was here for 17 years, JO for 12 (I think?), and Ozzie has been here for 17 years as well. I'm not saying that John couldn't get there as well, but he's only been here for 5 years and while they have been an incredibly consistent 5 years, its not the same type of longgevity that would give him a top 4 spot in the history of the franchise, IMHO.

Now that could change as time goes on and like I said its just my opinion, by the same token I don't think you could put Joe there over some of the other guys here, but by the end of his career I think he will be there.

No doubt. Ozzie made our Mt Rushmore. Lol. You have to put him on it.

John's place is dependent on what happens in the future, however. Coaches frequently change. We seem to value consistency so it's certainly possible John sticks around but we'll see.

[CARavensFan]

No doubt. Ozzie made our Mt Rushmore. Lol. You have to put him on it.

John's place is dependent on what happens in the future, however. Coaches frequently change. We seem to value consistency so it's certainly possible John sticks around but we'll see.

 

The way I was trying to think of it was we have two players and two personel guys on our Mt. Rushmore, from that perspective it would be Ray and Ogden and then Ozzie and (for the moment) Art with Harbs potentially taking the spot beside Ozzie depending on how long he stays here.

[beanfigger]

I think the Mt. Rushmore should contain only Hall of Famers.  So far, we've had three (one who's going in this summer in JO, and two surefire candidates in Ray and Ed).  Art has not made it, yet, but he should.  Ozzie is not in, yet, as a GM I don't believe.  Both of those guys are certainly worth the HoF, despite what voters say, so I have no problem with either choice as number 4 for now.  If either were in already, it would be automatic.  In a few more years, I believe we will have more surefire Hall of Famers (Harbaugh, Flacco, Suggs, Ngata, maybe Rice are all potential candidates).  At that point, we may have to replace the number four spot, but none of them are worthy of being sculpted in stone at the moment.  The first three should be set, as they are the first three Hall of Famers in the franchises history.