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I know that Flacco has never missed a game due to injury but since more of the load may be on him to lead the Ravens to another title, losing him for a set period of time is not out of the relms of possibility. I remember how effective the pistol offense was against us in the second half of the SB and I think the type of scheme that could play strongly to Tyrods strengths. In the pistol, Tyrod could use his quickness and speed to keep opponents defense guessing(in addition, he does have the arm to chuck it deep if need be). Maybe this is something they can experiment with during camp and the preseason, I really think with Tyrod and some of our other speed guys out there, we could make it work:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKrhVmZu3Ok

 

 

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This would be like the "Wildcat" system we tried to implement with Troy Smith. The issue it either puts Flacco out wide where the rist for injury is higher or off the field completely.

 

I'd rather let out Super Bowl MVP QB do his thing and focus on making the offense so dynamic that it makes people wonder what happened to that Pistol Fad just like they do with the Wildcat now.

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If we are in red zone against a skilled pressing secondary, this would be a good option to run it.

Other than that, dunno if we should spend too much time on it in camp
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With all due respect to Tyrod, he simply isn't good enough to warrant being a co-starter/change of pace/etc. with Joe. Tyrod's legs are his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. He's fast and he's got a good arm, but he runs at the drop of a hat and he won't stand in the pocket long enough to deliver the big throws. It might be worthwhile to throw him in on a 4th down or two to force the other team to burn a TO or catch them offguard, but I simply don't trust Tyrod to be patient enough to capitalize on playaction, read-option, etc. type plays.
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With all due respect to Tyrod, he simply isn't good enough to warrant being a co-starter/change of pace/etc. with Joe. Tyrod's legs are his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. He's fast and he's got a good arm, but he runs at the drop of a hat and he won't stand in the pocket long enough to deliver the big throws. It might be worthwhile to throw him in on a 4th down or two to force the other team to burn a TO or catch them offguard, but I simply don't trust Tyrod to be patient enough to capitalize on playaction, read-option, etc. type plays.

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NTM Tyrod doesn't really have experience with this. We used Dixon to run the scout team pistol last year. With the limited practices allowed under the new CBA, I think we should let Tyrod focus on running our normal offense in case he has to go into a game.

The only reason SF's pistol was working in the 2nd half was because of injuries to our defense.
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I really think that I wouldn't mess too much with the high powered offense that won the Super Bowl.

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I think he's saying:

 

What do we do if Joe gets injured or goes down???? We should study the pistol in practice with Tyrod Taylor and run 2 schemes just in case of that so if Joe does go down, we can still compete.

 

 

 

Whereas you all seem to be misunderstanding him as saying we ever take game snaps away from Joe to snap the ball to Tyrod Taylor.

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Nobody thinks the run game can carry the load? I expect Bernard to be what Ray Rice was to the offense in 2009. Especially with KO at LG, and now that we have competition at Center. NTM best RG in football.

 

And while I haven't seen enough of Caleb Hanie outside of his relief duties in Chicago, I would like to believe that he can up his game to quality game manager status and possibly beat out Tyrod for the backup spot.

 

Pretty confident that Jim can make adjustments to suit the strengths of both players just like he salvaged our season in basically 2 weeks

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Nobody thinks the run game can carry the load? I expect Bernard to be what Ray Rice was to the offense in 2009. Especially with KO at LG, and now that we have competition at Center. NTM best RG in football.

 

And while I haven't seen enough of Caleb Hanie outside of his relief duties in Chicago, I would like to believe that he can up his game to quality game manager status and possibly beat out Tyrod for the backup spot.

 

Pretty confident that Jim can make adjustments to suit the strengths of both players just like he salvaged our season in basically 2 weeks

 

If you ask me, I think Hanie vastly outperforms Tyrod, earns the backup spot, and then Mili's wish is granted through the trading of Tyrod Taylor. :P

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Just run it when we're in a blowout.

disagree, if it works, then theres a qb controversy, not a real one, but amongst fans, and i really dont feel like arguing with clueless people who are adamant about tyrod being a better qb than joe lol. for god sake the man had one good drive where he did nothing but run and hand it off, and some people tried to actually use that as an argument FOR him. i heard from a "fan" and i quote: "yeah thats how good he is, he doesnt even need to throw" and thats after a loss to the bengals where both teams rested a majority of starters..

idk if youre surrounded by moron fans in your daily life, but i am, and I wouldnt look forward to arguing with them every sunday lol
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disagree, if it works, then theres a qb controversy, not a real one, but amongst fans, and i really dont feel like arguing with clueless people who are adamant about tyrod being a better qb than joe lol. for god sake the man had one good drive where he did nothing but run and hand it off, and some people tried to actually use that as an argument FOR him. i heard from a "fan" and i quote: "yeah thats how good he is, he doesnt even need to throw" and thats after a loss to the bengals where both teams rested a majority of starters..

idk if youre surrounded by moron fans in your daily life, but i am, and I wouldnt look forward to arguing with them every sunday lol

Those would have to be pretty dumb fans. I'd rather take that risk and market Tyrod while the read-option is still relevant. Some team will be looking to acquire that kind of QB and join the party late.

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NTM Tyrod doesn't really have experience with this. We used Dixon to run the scout team pistol last year. With the limited practices allowed under the new CBA, I think we should let Tyrod focus on running our normal offense in case he has to go into a game.

The only reason SF's pistol was working in the 2nd half was because of injuries to our defense.

That and the extra half hour of game planning they had lol.

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That's a big NO from me, we don't need 2 schemes or a change of pace QB, or any kind of gimmicks. I think we will see changes in our offensive alignments, as in more 2 TE sets, more 4 WR sets, etc.

 

Joe Flacco should never come off the field

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Those would have to be pretty dumb fans. I'd rather take that risk and market Tyrod while the read-option is still relevant. Some team will be looking to acquire that kind of QB and join the party late.

 

Not disagreeing with you here, just wondering about teams' priorities with a back up QB...

 

It would seem to me that a team that runs the read option would want a read option QB as their back-up so that they could continue to run their offense "as planned." Same goes for us - I would think we'd would prefer a QB more like Joe.  There's something to be said for versatility and being able to run different types of offense, but I would think most teams would want a back up QB that could pick up where their starter left of rather than having to significantly adjust the game to fit his strengths. 

 

Thoughts?

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I'm not feeling this idea. We don't need a gimmick. I get it they you may be saying it could be a situational deal and not some big part of the offense but it seems unnecessary.
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I think he's saying:

 

What do we do if Joe gets injured or goes down???? We should study the pistol in practice with Tyrod Taylor and run 2 schemes just in case of that so if Joe does go down, we can still compete.

 

 

 

Whereas you all seem to be misunderstanding him as saying we ever take game snaps away from Joe to snap the ball to Tyrod Taylor.

I understood that part, just practice time is limited for a backup QB as it is and even then he's usually running with backups. So only backups would have that scheme installed, then if someone is hurt and they need to play they don't have the first team offense installed for them.  Vice versa for Taylor.

It would be near impossible to have everyone on the same page for 2 schemes (not to mention useless for Flacco and the 1st team offense) without both suffering.  The only way you could do it is if Flacco is hurt and we have a bye week the very next week.  Even then it would have to be a combination of the "Flacco" offense style and some pistol formations thrown in to suit Taylor.

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Not disagreeing with you here, just wondering about teams' priorities with a back up QB...

 

It would seem to me that a team that runs the read option would want a read option QB as their back-up so that they could continue to run their offense "as planned." Same goes for us - I would think we'd would prefer a QB more like Joe.  There's something to be said for versatility and being able to run different types of offense, but I would think most teams would want a back up QB that could pick up where their starter left of rather than having to significantly adjust the game to fit his strengths. 

 

Thoughts?

I'm not sure about that. It didn't seem too tough for any team to learn playing the read-option around a QB this year, and I'm sure it wouldn't be too tough to go the opposite way and learn to play traditionally.

 

I think teams would value having a different-styled backup QB so their D can practice against both types.

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I find it funny that whole highlight film of 4 minutes had about 6-8 throws in it. He had chances to break loose a few times and was chased down.

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Nobody thinks the run game can carry the load?


That was my first thought as well. We have Leach paving the way for RR and Pierce; no reason we cant stay competitive for a few weeks if Joe went down. We'd just have to go back to old Ravens football til Flacco returned -- thank god our defense should be much better this year than last so that we could actually lean on our defense if need be
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