Draft a Franchise: Discussion Thread

[SecretAgentMan]

4-3 under with potentially some 3-4 looks depending on the personnel I can land. I have two players up front in Brockers and Wilkerson that can play multiple roles and its one of the reasons I went with Bishop. Him and Beason should be versatile in either front.

I thought you were running a 3-4. SMH. Just when I sent a PM with my guess to Sizzle

[Guest nflfan123]

Wow if locker got injured by Porter he has some serious durability issues
Smart move to build that OL

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

That would be the issue I'm still deciding on my picks lol

i'm here now, you're on deck and still deciding? picks are getting tougher now indeed

anybody else wants to leave picks with me, besides SAM (thanks) and SteelersProphet,please be my guest

[Sizzlebshu]

Thank you. I'm not as worried about Locker's scrambling as I am about keeping a clean pocket. He was injured while in the pocket once in 2011 and in 2012. The hits by Tracy Porter and Glover Quin were both blind side hits. To be honest, I actually believe that Locker's legs were underutilized last season. He picked his spots well when scrambling in the games that I've seen, and I felt that he was used more as a pocket passer, which he isn't. The stats show a bit of that, as he had the lowest amount of runs among scrambling QBs with just 3.7 per contest. Russell Wilson had the second lowest with a 6.1. Yet Locker's YPC of 7.0 was the 2nd highest among the same group as well, trailing just Colin Kaepernick's 7.7. I'll live with him scrambling as long as he's able to see the nearest defender.

you don't think one may have something to do with the other there? ie less runs for longer gains inflates the ypc? 

[Sizzlebshu]

4-3 under with potentially some 3-4 looks depending on the personnel I can land. I have two players up front in Brockers and Wilkerson that can play multiple roles and its one of the reasons I went with Bishop. Him and Beason should be versatile in either front.

is the guy under 25 or over because I feel like I know who you're talking about

[gabefergy]

I thought you were running a 3-4. SMH. Just when I sent a PM with my guess to Sizzle

My base will be Wilkerson as LDE and Cole as the LEO. Brockers at the 3T.

[gabefergy]

is the guy under 25 or over because I feel like I know who you're talking about

Over

[CARavensFan]

i'm here now, you're on deck and still deciding? picks are getting tougher now indeed
anybody else wants to leave picks with me, besides SAM (thanks) and SteelersProphet,please be my guest

I thought you had RavensAllTheWay's pick?

[Guest nflfan123]

Over

Is it Devito

[SecretAgentMan]

Is it Devito

Nope. This one will be 26 in August

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you don't think one may have something to do with the other there? ie less runs for longer gains inflates the ypc? 

 

I don't expect the numbers to necessarily translate when seeing significantly more rushes. But whether they will translate and whether he will be a viable runner with a larger workload are separate questions. The players whose numbers he surpassed are the best running QBs in football. Even if he drops to the middle of the group or just below them, he would still be a very viable rushing threat. I've personally liked what I've seen from him when he's decided to tuck and run. And I'd be more concerned if his production came in spurts. However, Locker's YPC has only dipped under a 5.5 in 2 games throughout his career thus far, and he's only surpassed 40 yards in 2 contests as well. I've seen enough of his running ability to be confident of his upside in this facet.

[codizzle]

Hmm I wonder who these "better" LBs are considering Bishop is one of the best ILBs over the past couple seasons, and he is relatively young. Please dont tell me Brad Jones lol

Close.. BradieJames

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Over

In that case I think I know.

[Guest nflfan123]

Close.. BradieJames

This made me laugh for like 15 minutes lol
Nice

[Guest nflfan123]

Bishop just got cut if he's that good money wouldn't have been an issue

[gabefergy]

Bishop just got cut if he's that good money wouldn't have been an issue

Dumervil got cut, Dansby got cut, Boldin would have been cut etc...

He wasn't willing to take a pay cut like AJ Hawk so they couldn't justify paying 3 ILBs, especially after they just signed one of them. Its no coincidence that Bishop has teams lining up to sign him.

[Guest nflfan123]

Dumervil got cut, Dansby got cut, Boldin would have been cut etc...
He wasn't willing to take a pay cut like AJ Hawk so they couldn't justify paying 3 ILBs, especially after they just signed one of them. Its no coincidence that Bishop has teams lining up to sign him.

He's clearly better than Hawk so they just would've cut someone else
Bold in nearly for cut because the Ravens had holes to fill, what are the packers trying to fill this late? Dansby got cut because they wanted to get younger. Doom got cut but he was making way more than Bishop

[gabefergy]

He's clearly better than Hawk so they just would've cut someone else
Bold in nearly for cut because the Ravens had holes to fill, what are the packers trying to fill this late? Dansby got cut because they wanted to get younger. Doom got cut but he was making way more than Bishop

They aren't trying to fill anything, but its bad business to pay 3 ILBs starters money. They didn't know if Bishop would be healthy so they signed Jones. Now one if them is expendable. They could also be trying to free up money for Raji next season and they just signed Matthews and Rodgers to massive deals. Any cap they can carry over will be beneficial.

[Guest nflfan123]

They aren't trying to fill anything, but its bad business to pay 3 ILBs starters money. They didn't know if Bishop would be healthy so they signed Jones. Now one if them is expendable. They could also be trying to free up money for Raji next season and they just signed Matthews and Rodgers to massive deals. Any cap they can carry over will be beneficial.

One was expendable and they chose Bishop. What does that tell you

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I've almost never bought into the notion of ignoring a player's on-field performance and judging them merely by how their team values them. NFL teams clearly have the inside track. But accepting a team's actions at face value implies the idea that teams aren't capable of making mistakes, which is obviously not the case. Personally, I'd much rather judge a player by the player, but that's just me.

[Guest nflfan123]

How can you ignore it? See Brandon Lloyd, he nearly had 1000 yards last year but he was a cancer to the team and made people around him worse. Obviously it wasn't the same situation for Bishop but there is a reason to it.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

I thought you had RavensAllTheWay's pick?

 

as it seems we all kind of missed on reminding RavensAllTheWay about being close to pick

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How can you ignore it? See Brandon Lloyd, he nearly had 1000 yards last year but he was a cancer to the team and made people around him worse. Obviously it wasn't the same situation for Bishop but there is a reason to it.

 

I never suggested completely ignoring it. I conceded that FOs have the inside track. But blindly accepting what direction a team takes and automatically valuing their decisions over how the players actually fared isn't a method that I would support employing. Lloyd was released because he showed erratic behavior and because the Patriots are one of the most uptight organizations in the NFL terms of players conduct. It's a scenario that made sense from the outside and the inside looking in. His situation isn't the posted child for every personnel decision, nor does it relate directly to Bishop's, as there were negative reports regarding Lloyd months prior to his release that foreshadowed his current predicament. Yes, there was a reason to Bishop's departure. But simply because it occurred, doesn't mean that the reason behind it is justified on the spot. Should reports surface in the future that his hamstring wasn't holding up, or something remotely negative, then I would begin putting two and two together. Thus far, I personally haven't seen anything of the sort. So at this very point in time, his release doesn't tell me anything definitive about what he brings as a player, especially since he hasn't even seen the field. In fact, it could easily be argued that he was valued at least somewhat highly around the league, as he's drawn instant interest from the moment of his release. Therefore, I wouldn't automatically devalue him.

[-Truth-]

How can you ignore it? See Brandon Lloyd, he nearly had 1000 yards last year but he was a cancer to the team and made people around him worse. Obviously it wasn't the same situation for Bishop but there is a reason to it.

I never suggested completely ignoring it. I conceded that FOs have the inside track. But blindly accepting what direction a team takes and automatically valuing their decisions over how the players actually fared isn't a method that I would support employing. Lloyd was released because he showed erratic behavior and because the Patriots are one of the most uptight organizations in the NFL terms of players conduct. It's a scenario that made sense from the outside and the inside looking in. His situation isn't the posted child for every personnel decision, nor does it relate directly to Bishop's, as there were negative reports regarding Lloyd months prior to his release that foreshadowed his current predicament. Yes, there was a reason to Bishop's departure. But simply because it occurred, doesn't mean that the reason behind it is justified on the spot. Should reports surface in the future that his hamstring wasn't holding up, or something remotely negative, then I would begin putting two and two together. Thus far, I personally haven't seen anything of the sort. So at this very point in time, his release doesn't tell me anything definitive about what he brings as a player, especially since he hasn't even seen the field. In fact, it could easily be argued that he was valued at least somewhat highly around the league, as he's drawn instant interest from the moment of his release.

[SecretAgentMan]

I never suggested completely ignoring it. I conceded that FOs have the inside track. But blindly accepting what direction a team takes and automatically valuing their decisions over how the players actually fared isn't a method that I would support employing. Lloyd was released because he showed erratic behavior and because the Patriots are one of the most uptight organizations in the NFL terms of players conduct. It's a scenario that made sense from the outside and the inside looking in. His situation isn't the posted child for every personnel decision, nor does it relate directly to Bishop's, as there were negative reports regarding Lloyd months prior to his release that foreshadowed his current predicament. Yes, there was a reason to Bishop's departure. But simply because it occurred, doesn't mean that the reason behind it is justified on the spot. Should reports surface in the future that his hamstring wasn't holding up, or something remotely negative, then I would begin putting two and two together. Thus far, I personally haven't seen anything of the sort. So at this very point in time, his release doesn't tell me anything definitive about what he brings as a player, especially since he hasn't even seen the field. In fact, it could easily be argued that he was valued at least somewhat highly around the league, as he's drawn instant interest from the moment of his release. Therefore, I wouldn't automatically devalue him.

Mr. Truth. Remind me to never piss you off

[Guest nflfan123]

I never suggested completely ignoring it. I conceded that FOs have the inside track. But blindly accepting what direction a team takes and automatically valuing their decisions over how the players actually fared isn't a method that I would support employing. Lloyd was released because he showed erratic behavior and because the Patriots are one of the most uptight organizations in the NFL terms of players conduct. It's a scenario that made sense from the outside and the inside looking in. His situation isn't the posted child for every personnel decision, nor does it relate directly to Bishop's, as there were negative reports regarding Lloyd months prior to his release that foreshadowed his current predicament. Yes, there was a reason to Bishop's departure. But simply because it occurred, doesn't mean that the reason behind it is justified on the spot. Should reports surface in the future that his hamstring wasn't holding up, or something remotely negative, then I would begin putting two and two together. Thus far, I personally haven't seen anything of the sort. So at this very point in time, his release doesn't tell me anything definitive about what he brings as a player, especially since he hasn't even seen the field. In fact, it could easily be argued that he was valued at least somewhat highly around the league, as he's drawn instant interest from the moment of his release. Therefore, I wouldn't automatically devalue him.

I'm not blindly accepting anything. I merely said it plays a factor. I clearly said Lloyd's release was a completely different situation to Bishop's but my point was good production may not result in a good player down the stretch. There are several scenarios; locker room cancer, overpaid, playing hurt, etc. I never said Bishop was a bad pick either. I just said there were better LBs on the board and he was chosen to be released for a reason.

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Mr. Truth. Remind me to never piss you off

 

To be honest, I wasn't at all intending on sounding upset. I apologize if it did.

[SecretAgentMan]

To be honest, I wasn't at all intending on sounding upset. I apologize if it did.

That's from the new star trek :D.
But, you always give these lengthy explanations so I had too :P

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I'm not blindly accepting anything. I merely said it plays a factor. I clearly said Lloyd's release was a completely different situation to Bishop's but my point was good production may not result in a good player down the stretch. There are several scenarios; locker room cancer, overpaid, playing hurt, etc. I never said Bishop was a bad pick either. I just said there were better LBs on the board and he was chosen to be released for a reason.

 

You stated that he wouldn't have been cut if he's as good as he's thought to be. Within that sentiment, you did exactly that, as your sole argument for such in that statement was the fact that he's no longer with the team. The several scenarios you listed would be nothing short of pure speculation at this point. The fact that you are unable to offer any clarity onto what the actual reason is, but are already willing to accept it enough to override his performances based entirely on the release goes completely against your initial point. He will also be signed for a reason, and we won't know which reason is the correct one before he steps on the field in 2013. Until then, devaluing him at this point seems rather premature. That's all I'm saying.

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That's from the new star trek :D.
But, you always give these lengthy explanations so I had too :P

 

Ooh. I still have to see that movie. No arguments at all about the lengthy explanations lol