Rice as slot receiver

[BallHawker]

True, but Rice has shown the ability to run slants, angle routes, and wheel routes. I don't see why he couldn't also run a stick-nod up the seam against a LB, or an out from the slot.

 

 

Touchdown against the giants was a slant, tell me again he isn't effective?

 

One play doesn't make a player effective. Yes, his ability to run routes is fine and I'd like to see him utilized more in the passing game, but he is the MOST effective out of the backfield. He is a double threat, and when you isolate him on the outside, you make him one-dimensional.

 

Interesting stats: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/04/three-years-of-drop-rate-running-backs/

[PurpleCorsair]

One play doesn't make a player effective. Yes, his ability to run routes is fine and I'd like to see him utilized more in the passing game, but he is the MOST effective out of the backfield. He is a double threat, and when you isolate him on the outside, you make him one-dimensional.

 

Interesting stats: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/04/three-years-of-drop-rate-running-backs/

 The point we're trying to make is that Rice wouldn't be on the outside. He'd be inside against a nickel corner at worst, but more likely a safety or linebacker, as a motion out of the backfield.

[The Raven]

One play doesn't make a player effective. Yes, his ability to run routes is fine and I'd like to see him utilized more in the passing game, but he is the MOST effective out of the backfield. He is a double threat, and when you isolate him on the outside, you make him one-dimensional.

 

Interesting stats: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/04/three-years-of-drop-rate-running-backs/

 

Who said Rice should be on the outside?

[CalvinSmoke]

Let's just take the Bill Walsh approach and put both Pierce and Rice on opposite sides of Flacco and let er rip. 

[BallHawker]

Who said Rice should be on the outside?

 

The title of this topic.

[CARavensFan]

The title of this topic.

 

No the title is suggesting Rice work more in the slot, Torrey and Jacoby are outside guys. The slot is when you are inside, closer to the line.

[3-4ravdef509]

The title of this topic.

Fail. Do you know what a slot receiver is?

[Ravenseconbeast]

You can't line him up with a secondary.  It won't work.

[cobrajet]

Rice makes big plays when he catches the ball. He is a playmaker, get him the ball with space and let him "hey diddle diddle!"

[BallHawker]

No the title is suggesting Rice work more in the slot, Torrey and Jacoby are outside guys. The slot is when you are inside, closer to the line.

 

 

Fail. Do you know what a slot receiver is?

 

Fail. I never mentioned that he would play a WR out wide 20 yards from the QB. I was mentioning the slot position between the Tackle/TE and the wide out, about 10 yards from the center.

[The King]

I think Rice is more effective coming out of the backfield because it increases the chance of getting a matchup against a LB rather than a DB. Having him motion from the backfield to the slot quickly can confuse their coverage and is a good idea, but I think that with his size Dennis Pitta is a better choice to line up in the slot regularly because he matches up against DBs better. Ray Rice in the slot is a good way to change up our offensive look, I just think that using it as a standard formation reduces its effectiveness.

 

The impressive thing about the PFF stats is how many more targets Rice had than the other RBs with top ratings. None of them was within 60 catchable passes of him over the past three years. The guy has great hands for a back.

[mg90]

Fail. I never mentioned that he would play a WR out wide 20 yards from the QB. I was mentioning the slot position between the Tackle/TE and the wide out, about 10 yards from the center.

I think they're just saying playing on the outside does not equal playing in the slot.

[rlh445]

I think the reason Rice works in the slot sparingly is because it can catch defenses off guard but I wouldn't suggest any more time than what the Ravens have currently used.  

[ravensdan]

I think Rice is more effective coming out of the backfield because it increases the chance of getting a matchup against a LB rather than a DB. Having him motion from the backfield to the slot quickly can confuse their coverage and is a good idea, but I think that with his size Dennis Pitta is a better choice to line up in the slot regularly because he matches up against DBs better. Ray Rice in the slot is a good way to change up our offensive look, I just think that using it as a standard formation reduces its effectiveness.

The impressive thing about the PFF stats is how many more targets Rice had than the other RBs with top ratings. None of them was within 60 catchable passes of him over the past three years. The guy has great hands for a back.

Except Darren sproles.

[3-4ravdef509]

One play doesn't make a player effective. Yes, his ability to run routes is fine and I'd like to see him utilized more in the passing game, but he is the MOST effective out of the backfield. He is a double threat, and when you isolate him on the outside, you make him one-dimensional.

Interesting stats: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/04/three-years-of-drop-rate-running-backs/

You said isolating him on the outside, which is not what a slot receiver does, he is usually against, a line backer, safety, or nickel over the middle. I like Rice in all three match ups. And that one play isn't the first time he's been effective there. In our 35-7 win against the steelers, rice got another touchdown working in the slot. I'm not saying that should be hiss primary role, but if it's 3rd and 10 for example and the threat of the run is void anyway, I'd like to see him in the slot more often because he can be effective

[JoeyFlex5]

if rice is matched against a cb he wont have the speed or route running ability to get open, and just isnt a wide receiver so he probably won't win those tightly contested passes very often. his ability to catch and run will lose some of its spark if hes constantly matched up with slot db's that are faster and taller than him. the beauty of ray is saying in the backfield, providing needed chip blocks, and getting the dump off after the receivers get him some isolation vs the defense, 4th and 29 is a perfect example, if he was lined up in the slot then that play would have went very differently

[3-4ravdef509]

if rice is matched against a cb he wont have the speed or route running ability to get open, and just isnt a wide receiver so he probably won't win those tightly contested passes very often. his ability to catch and run will lose some of its spark if hes constantly matched up with slot db's that are faster and taller than him. the beauty of ray is saying in the backfield, providing needed chip blocks, and getting the dump off after the receivers get him some isolation vs the defense, 4th and 29 is a perfect example, if he was lined up in the slot then that play would have went very differently

Again, two thirds of the time in the slit you aren't matched up against a cb, it's a backer or a safety. And even against nickel corners i don't see the corner having much of an advantage in speed, it's more in their size

[BallHawker]

You said isolating him on the outside, which is not what a slot receiver does, he is usually against, a line backer, safety, or nickel over the middle. I like Rice in all three match ups. And that one play isn't the first time he's been effective there. In our 35-7 win against the steelers, rice got another touchdown working in the slot. I'm not saying that should be hiss primary role, but if it's 3rd and 10 for example and the threat of the run is void anyway, I'd like to see him in the slot more often because he can be effective

 

"Outside" as in the slot and not in the backfield. And we already do that... RR is not effective vs CBs, which is why we audible him out there when we see a mismatch (LB) on passing downs.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

a good read about Rice and (the new) offense in general http://nfl.si.com/2013/05/14/ray-rice/?sct=uk_t11_a2

[JoeyFlex5]

Again, two thirds of the time in the slit you aren't matched up against a cb, it's a backer or a safety. And even against nickel corners i don't see the corner having much of an advantage in speed, it's more in their size

ray rice isnt as fast as many people think, ive seen him get tracked down by LB's with nothing but green grass around him, and ive seen it happen a lot. and havent you heard that a third corner is a starting position in the nfl these days? unless you run a strictly zone scheme, youre probably facing 3 db's if youre running a 3 wr set. remember when we had josh wilson, chris carr, and webb? we let josh wilson walk and gave carr the money, because even though josh wilson was a better corner, chris carr was much better in the slot, he was on the field just as much as josh wilson, because like i said a slot corner is essentially a starting position these days.

[CapoRocky]

Anything will be better than the vanilla offensive schemes perpetrated by Cameron.

[The Raven]

The title of this topic.

 

Slot does not mean outside.....