Big Ben vs. Joe Flacco first five years

[SteelersProphet]

due to multiple requests for this thread I decided to post it

 

                       Comp %  Yards      TD     Int    Avg  Rush TD Starts

 

Joe Flacco  60.5/ 17,633 /102/ 56 / 7.1/    7  /  80

 

Big Ben      62.8/ 15,004 /101/ 69 / 8.0 /   10 /  71

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ravensfan2430]

They are both good.  I think each city is happy they have the QB that they have.

[H8R]

I just like that Joe starts every game!

[SteelersProphet]

I just like that Joe starts every game!

 

yea I like that too.....Ben has only started all 16 games twice

[BMORElegacy]

Joe Flacco > Ben Roethlisberger

And it won't even be a debate once Joe secures a second ring since that's the only thing Ben currently has on him.

[SteelersProphet]

Joe Flacco > Ben Roethlisberger

And it won't even be a debate once Joe secures a second ring since that's the only thing Ben currently has on him.

 

I like joe flacco, I think he potentially could be HOF

 

but Ben has two rings and a third appearance

 

and he has a Rookie of the year award......14-0 rookie year

 

and Ben comes out on top of their head to head matchups

[flynismo]

I like joe flacco, I think he potentially could be HOF

 

but Ben has two rings and a third appearance

 

and he has a Rookie of the year award......14-0 rookie year

 

and Ben comes out on top of their head to head matchups

 

 

And I'd also point out that while their stats above are very similar, Ben started out back when passing for 4,000 yards was an accomplishment that only guys like Peyton accomplished.

 

That said, Ben clearly has a better HOF resume. I know some of us Raven fans may say it's just because Ben has been in the league nearly twice as long, but it's not Ben's fault that he was winning SB while Flacco was handing out wedgies to nerds in high school.

 

Flacco is entering his prime, and we caught a glimpse of his true potential immediately after ridding himself of the albatross known as Cam Cameron. I think that most of us, whether biased or not, believes that Flacco's best years, which are still ahead of him, will outshine Roethlisberger's best.

[BMORElegacy]

I like joe flacco, I think he potentially could be HOF
 
but Ben has two rings and a third appearance
 
and he has a Rookie of the year award......14-0 rookie year
 
and Ben comes out on top of their head to head matchups

The rookie of the year award means little to me. It's right up there with pro bowls in the category of accolades I don't care about. Joe should have gotten it his rookie year but it went to Matt Ryan. Those things are popularity contests and as it has been shown, Joe is hated by a majority of people for no sensible reason.

Ben has more Super Bowl appearances but has also been in the league much longer. We'll see where Joe measures up once they've had an equal number of seasons to make it to the big dance.

The head to head matchups mean little if the team doesn't make it to the playoffs. Joe has made it the last 5 years in a row and Ben has missed them I believe twice in that same span. Ben has also lost to the Browns in that same span where Joe remains undefeated ;)

Quarterbacks should be evaluated on starts (which gauges durability and reliability), and win percentage/playoff appearances (which gauges the ability to produce and win).

[BMORElegacy]

And I'd also point out that while their stats above are very similar, Ben started out back when passing for 4,000 yards was an accomplishment that only guys like Peyton accomplished.
 
That said, Ben clearly has a better HOF resume. I know some of us Raven fans may say it's just because Ben has been in the league nearly twice as long, but it's not Ben's fault that he was winning SB while Flacco was handing out wedgies to nerds in high school.
 
Flacco is entering his prime, and we caught a glimpse of his true potential immediately after ridding himself of the albatross known as Cam Cameron. I think that most of us, whether biased or not, believes that Flacco's best years, which are still ahead of him, will outshine Roethlisberger's best.

THIS.

[PolishRifle]

I like joe flacco, I think he potentially could be HOF

 

but Ben has two rings and a third appearance

 

and he has a Rookie of the year award......14-0 rookie year

 

and Ben comes out on top of their head to head matchups

I can't argue with the 3 SB appearences, even if Joe could've had 2 already, if it were not for one of his receivers letting him down, but I have a hard time accepting Ben's first SB "victory". Ben was so bad in that SB. You can't hold Roethlisbergers "2 rings" against Joes one ring. Atleast Flacco played well in that game against a really good defense.

 

Other than that, I do agree that Big Ben is slightly ahead of Joe as the top QB in the AFCN for now, just because he played really well recently (before he got hurt anyway), but coming of that SB, Flacco might be overtaking Ben really soon. Dalton would be #3 of course and whoever has the misfortune of being the Browns QB is last obviously.

[Gordo52]

And I'd also point out that while their stats above are very similar, Ben started out back when passing for 4,000 yards was an accomplishment that only guys like Peyton accomplished.

That said, Ben clearly has a better HOF resume. I know some of us Raven fans may say it's just because Ben has been in the league nearly twice as long, but it's not Ben's fault that he was winning SB while Flacco was handing out wedgies to nerds in high school.

Flacco is entering his prime, and we caught a glimpse of his true potential immediately after ridding himself of the albatross known as Cam Cameron. I think that most of us, whether biased or not, believes that Flacco's best years, which are still ahead of him, will outshine Roethlisberger's best.

Very well said my good sir. Lmao at Flacco handing out wedgies hahaha :D

[flynismo]

The rookie of the year award means little to me. It's right up there with pro bowls in the category of accolades I don't care about. Joe should have gotten it his rookie year but it went to Matt Ryan. Those things are popularity contests and as it has been shown, Joe is hated by a majority of people for no sensible reason.

Ben has more Super Bowl appearances but has also been in the league much longer. We'll see where Joe measures up once they've had an equal number of seasons to make it to the big dance.

The head to head matchups mean little if the team doesn't make it to the playoffs. Joe has made it the last 5 years in a row and Ben has missed them I believe twice in that same span. Ben has also lost to the Browns in that same span where Joe remains undefeated ;)

Quarterbacks should be evaluated on starts (which gauges durability and reliability), and win percentage/playoff appearances (which gauges the ability to produce and win).

 

A love fellow Flacco homers! As the founder of the Flacco Lovers Foundation (F.L.F.), I would like to personally extend an invitation to you to join and enjoy the benefits of our exclusive club (which includes always being right when we gang up on Flacco haters, the priviledge of saying "kiss the ring, b----!, and many others)

[3-4ravdef509]

I like joe flacco, I think he potentially could be HOF

but Ben has two rings and a third appearance

and he has a Rookie of the year award......14-0 rookie year

and Ben comes out on top of their head to head matchups

Really? Cause Joe has won the past two head to head match ups. And Joe never puts his team in the position of trying to win games without him. Bens resume is better but to me Joe is currently the better quarterback

[Gordo52]

Both are great QB's. I'd hate to imagine what Big Bens career would look like if he could stay healthy.

As much as I hate the Steelers I got alot of respect for the way Big Bens plays the game.

That being said, as of right now the best QB in the division rests easy in Baltimore. Sitting on his throne eating grapes, while checking his reflection out with his MVP trophy.

[BMORElegacy]

A love fellow Flacco homers! As the founder of the Flacco Lovers Foundation (F.L.F.), I would like to personally extend an invitation to you to join and enjoy the benefits of our exclusive club (which includes always being right when we gang up on Flacco haters, the priviledge of saying "kiss the ring, b----!, and many others)

Invitation accepted!! I guess I've been a member of the F.L.F. since 2008 but just didn't know it!

[flynismo]

Very well said my good sir. Lmao at Flacco handing out wedgies hahaha :D

 

I'm on a roll today, lol

[SteelersProphet]

. I think that most of us, whether biased or not, believes that Flacco's best years, which are still ahead of him, will outshine Roethlisberger's best.

I wouldn't agree but its not out the question...I wouldn't be shocked if that ends up being true

 

Ben has more Super Bowl appearances but has also been in the league much longer. We'll see where Joe measures up once they've had an equal number of seasons to make it to the big dance.

we can look at the first five years....Ben had two joe has one

 

I can't argue with the 3 SB appearences, even if Joe could've had 2 already, if it were not for one of his receivers letting him down, but I have a hard time accepting Ben's first SB "victory". Ben was so bad in that SB. You can't hold Roethlisbergers "2 rings" against Joes one ring. Atleast Flacco played well in that game against a really good defense.

 

I agree he was bad in that one game but two factors we have to remember is he was spectacular in that years playoffs, and it was his second year

[Gordo52]

Also, while we're at it.... The Ravens have the same amount of Super Bowl wins as the Steelers in the last 17 years.

I don't care about the other 4! :p

Just sayin!

[flynismo]

Also, while we're at it.... The Ravens have the same amount of Super Bowl wins as the Steelers in the last 17 years.

I don't care about the other 4! :P

Just sayin!

 

Plus Flacco had a better unibrow and mustache in his first 5 years

 

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[SteelersProphet]

Also, while we're at it.... The Ravens have the same amount of Super Bowl wins as the Steelers in the last 17 years.

I don't care about the other 4! :P

Just sayin!

 

that's true we are even....but we still went one more time lol 

[gabefergy]

Joe is an ascending player and has never missed a game. Ben may still be in his prime, but the injuries are a constant for him now. if the Steelers miss the playoffs again and the Ravens make another run, the balance will be completely shifted to Joe IMO.

[Gordo52]

that's true we are even....but we still went one more time lol

Well we're the only team that's won multiple superbowls and remain undefeated so take that!

[Gordo52]

Plus Flacco had a better unibrow and mustache in his first 5 years

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[Sizzlebshu]

that's true we are even....but we still went one more time lol 

You also lost to Tebow one more time than we did. Our Superbowl record is also unblemished at 2-0.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

And I'd also point out that while their stats above are very similar, Ben started out back when passing for 4,000 yards was an accomplishment that only guys like Peyton accomplished.
 
That said, Ben clearly has a better HOF resume. I know some of us Raven fans may say it's just because Ben has been in the league nearly twice as long, but it's not Ben's fault that he was winning SB while Flacco was handing out wedgies to nerds in high school.
 
Flacco is entering his prime, and we caught a glimpse of his true potential immediately after ridding himself of the albatross known as Cam Cameron. I think that most of us, whether biased or not, believes that Flacco's best years, which are still ahead of him, will outshine Roethlisberger's best.

I'm not coming at this from a biased stand point at all,but Roethlisberger is no HOFer.The stats just don't support that.He has two rings but he just went along for the ride on that first one.HOFers are supposed to be the best of the best aka the elite during the era that they played.Can you honestly say that he was in the same category with Warner,Rodgers,Manning,Brees and Brady at any time in his career?

[H8R]

 

I like joe flacco, I think he potentially could be HOF
 
but Ben has two rings and a third appearance
 
and he has a Rookie of the year award......14-0 rookie year
 
and Ben comes out on top of their head to head matchups

Thank Baltimore for making Bens rookie season possible. :P

Did Ben even play in his first SB. :P

[MTRavensFan]

Both are great QB's. I'd hate to imagine what Big Bens career would look like if he could stay healthy.

As much as I hate the Steelers I got alot of respect for the way Big Bens plays the game.

That being said, as of right now the best QB in the division rests easy in Baltimore. Sitting on his throne eating grapes, while checking his reflection out with his MVP trophy.

 

That's a non-issue.

His style of play, which makes him great, is the same reason he's always hurt. Can't have one without the other.

[izvoodoo]

I like joe flacco, I think he potentially could be HOF

 

but Ben has two rings and a third appearance

 

and he has a Rookie of the year award......14-0 rookie year

 

and Ben comes out on top of their head to head matchups

I never thought it would be close, but it really has tightened up.  When Peyton and Brady retire there's going to be three years where the only AFC QBs will be Joe, Ben, Luck and Dalton.

[JohnJohnson]

that's true we are even....but we still went one more time lol 

 

My argument would be that Ben had an easier time getting to the Super Bowl in his first five seasons. The reason is that he did not have to compete with such a good team in his division for the first few years. From 2004 to 2007 the Ravens had no QB, so they were not as difficult to deal with as the Steelers with Roethlisberger. From 2008 to 2010 Flacco probably had the most difficult match up possible for a young QB, the #1 Steelers defense and perhaps the #1 team in the NFL over that span. In 2008, the Ravens went 11-5 but did not win the division (and they desperately needed the bye week having played 18 games in a row). In 2010, they went 12-4 but again did not win the division. The positive side is that it probably toughened Flacco up.

[SteelersProphet]

 

Thank Baltimore for making Bens rookie season possible. :P
 

I do thank the ravens...I was not a big Maddox fan

 

I'm not coming at this from a biased stand point at all,but Roethlisberger is no HOFer.The stats just don't support that.He has two rings but he just went along for the ride on that first one.HOFers are supposed to be the best of the best aka the elite during the era that they played.Can you honestly say that he was in the same category with Warner,Rodgers,Manning,Brees and Brady at any time in his career?

 

I can say he was on par with warner(even though warner is not of his era)...beat him head to head in the superbowl and has more rings

 

Ben is Better than Manning (if your talking about Eli).......Peyton is one of the greatest of all time so that comparison isn't close

 

Brees I would say is not as good as Ben.....he can have his records, ill take the wins

 

Brady is IMO a lucky QB who got paired with a great coach who made him what he is.......but he is HOF

 

But Ben is top two in Success. only brady and him have three superbowl starts(among active QB's)