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Adam Rank says he would pick Joe Flacco with game on the line

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Just saw something interesting i saw on NFL.com. Some experts made thei pick on who would they want with the game on the line. Adam Rank picked Joe Flacco, out of all the Qbs in the league, saying "who else would you pick?"

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000168496/article/tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-peyton-manning-among-goto-qbs

 

Of course i completely agree with him. Flacco is a monster when it matters most, there's no denying that. Good to see flacco at least get some repsect.

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That's great and all, but their opinions change by the minute. By next week he'll say he'd prefer Andrew Luck in the clutch.

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Flaccos huge arm and confident throwing mentality always will give him an opportunity to make a gamebreaking plays. I wouldn't discount Rodgers and Big Ben with their ability to move the chains with their accuracy while escaping pressure either. Joe showed the same ability in the playoffs, especially the SB. I really hope we will see that on a regular basis from him. We really could use that improved 3rd down conversion rate.^^

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Don't care, Rank used to dog Flacco but, since he won a ring, Rank has changed his tune. Don't like the guy, I present to you:
 
http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/43696-another-shot-at-joe-flaccothis-one-by-adam-rank/
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82900209/article/top-100-beef-joe-flacco-too-high-nnamdi-asomugha-too-low
 
 

I'm surprised Flacco even made the list
Joe Flacco had to be stunned he wasn't the top vote getter in the "Top 100" and likely flipped furniture while wondering what to do with all of the guacamole he ordered for his "Top 100" reveal party.
 
I'm kind of surprised Flacco is held in such high esteem of his peers, especially when you consider Cowboys QB Tony Romo clocked in at No. 91 on this list. I like to knock Romo for his December failures as much as the next guy, but he had more passing yards, more touchdowns, less interceptions and a higher passer rating than Flacco last season.
 
So, despite Flacco's assertion that he's the best quarterback in the league, I'm surprised he even made this list.

 
Tons of other shots at him, too, if you do a quick google. Rank is a fantasy football guy and one of the writers who churns out garbage articles and has been bringing nfl.com down. Again, don't like the guy.
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Rank just probably picked him because of his postseason. You have to look at the stats.

 

 

Player      4th qtr  rating   4th qtr(within 7)     last 2min/ half.       avg      avg - 2012 season avg

P. Manning   106.7                 127.2                  109.5               114.4                   +8.6

Rodgers       110.2                 119.8                   93.1                107.7                   -0.3

Flacco          112.0                  97.3                   109.7               106.3                 +18.6

Cutler           114.7                  94.3                    95.6                101.5                 +20.2

Ryan             91.3                   92.8                    118.1              100.7                   +1.6

Eli                  90.2                   97.1                   104.3                97.2                  +10.0

Kaepernick   100.0                 111.2                   76.8                 96.0                    -2.3

Big Ben         93.3                   83.0                   109.4                95.2                     -2.5

Brees            78.8                  103.7                   94.2                 92.2                     -4.1

Romo           101.2                  95.5                    77.3                 91.3                    +0.8

Brady            91.4                   84.2                    75.2                 90.4                     -8.3

Wilson           97.7                   83.8                    80.3                 87.3                    -12.7

RGIII              84.8                   92.3                    86.9                 88.0                    -14.4

Newton          94.8                   96.5                    63.5                 84.9                     -1.2

Schaub         86.7                    98.1                    68.3                 84.3                     -6.3

Rivers           67.8                    32.6                    81.8                   :(

 

2nd highest 4th quarter rating,

6th highest 4th quarter rating when the game is within 7 points,

2nd highest rating in the last 2 minutes of halves,

and of course best overall rating in the postseason.

Joe is also the only QB to not throw a pick in the 4th quarter or OT of a game all season.

 

So yes, I would consider picking Joe when the game is on the line. 

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Don't like him. Don't like most of the NFL "experts" on TV. I don't care about their opinion anymore regardless if it's a good one. Screw those people who want to jump on the bandwagon now, they'll change their minds In a minute. No one sticks to their guts.

I do like Jaws though, he's been behind Joe all his career.
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I'd bet a lot of money Rank chose Joe just so then he could read all the comments below the article as people took shots at Joe.  Ridiculous some of those people keep brining up Joe's regular season numbers, as if they aren't as good or better than Brady's, Brees', Roethlisberger's and Eli's in their first 5 seasons

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Flaccos huge arm and confident throwing mentality always will give him an opportunity to make a gamebreaking plays. I wouldn't discount Rodgers and Big Ben with their ability to move the chains with their accuracy while escaping pressure either. Joe showed the same ability in the playoffs, especially the SB. I really hope we will see that on a regular basis from him. We really could use that improved 3rd down conversion rate.^^

A lot of people don't know that he got a hip pointer. Pretty sure that's part of the reason why he wasn't moving around a ton since he ran for that 38 YD TD in his debut.

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Don't care, Rank used to dog Flacco but, since he won a ring, Rank has changed his tune. Don't like the guy, I present to you: http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/43696-another-shot-at-joe-flaccothis-one-by-adam-rank/ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82900209/article/top-100-beef-joe-flacco-too-high-nnamdi-asomugha-too-low   Tons of other shots at him, too, if you do a quick google. Rank is a fantasy football guy and one of the writers who churns out garbage articles and has been bringing nfl.com down. Again, don't like the guy.


So between dec 2011 and may 2013 one couldn't feel that flacco got better?
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So between dec 2011 and may 2013 one couldn't feel that flacco got better?


Dogging someone is different than be objective and wanting to see more
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Don't care, Rank used to dog Flacco but, since he won a ring, Rank has changed his tune. Don't like the guy, I present to you:
 
http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/43696-another-shot-at-joe-flaccothis-one-by-adam-rank/
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82900209/article/top-100-beef-joe-flacco-too-high-nnamdi-asomugha-too-low
 
 
 
Tons of other shots at him, too, if you do a quick google. Rank is a fantasy football guy and one of the writers who churns out garbage articles and has been bringing nfl.com down. Again, don't like the guy.

 

Wow, what a joke

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Dogging someone is different than be objective and wanting to see more


Flacco as a rook in the playoffs deserved dogging
Flacco as a second year player in the playoffs deserved dogging.

Just because we as fans support him and this is our team doesn't mean the players aren't above SOME of the flack they catch

To me I'd have listed flacco as pedestrian in the playoffs those first two years it was the third year when we beat kc that he got control of the post season. That's when I'd say alot of people (skip) went for rightfully dogging him to just being haters because he would do what they said he needed to do yet they still complained...anyways I'm not really discussing your point now as I think you understand that a mans comments one year doesn't mean they should be what he believes every year thereafter...
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Flacco as a rook in the playoffs deserved dogging
Flacco as a second year player in the playoffs deserved dogging.

Just because we as fans support him and this is our team doesn't mean the players aren't above SOME of the flack they catch

To me I'd have listed flacco as pedestrian in the playoffs those first two years it was the third year when we beat kc that he got control of the post season. That's when I'd say alot of people (skip) went for rightfully dogging him to just being haters because he would do what they said he needed to do yet they still complained...anyways I'm not really discussing your point now as I think you understand that a mans comments one year doesn't mean they should be what he believes every year thereafter...


My point was that I won't listen to anything Rank says because of his past columns and unprofessionalism. People can change their mind, I know I have. But the constant, baseless bashing got old and I learned to tune guys like Adam Rank (among others) out.

It's cool that he got his jollies bashing Joe Flacco - lots of people do/did - he carved a portion of his career doing it. It's also cool that he did a complete 180 when Flacco beat him over the head with reality - some people still haven't done that. I just don't care, though, goes in one ear out the other.

And, just to make the distinction - I'm not saying Joe Flacco is, or was, above criticism. But that's not what was happening. Plenty of people have fairly critiqued the player, myself included, but some of the stuff I posted above is straight garbage.
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Jaws has always supported Flacco and at least last year Berman gets credit for sticking with the Ravens all season too.

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Good for Joe but I would take Aaron Rodgers. Doesn't mean I hate Joe, just means I think Rodgers is better. Just like how I love Torrey Smith but I'd take Megatron over him any day of the week.

 

Homerism makes me laugh.

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My point was that I won't listen to anything Rank says because of his past columns and unprofessionalism. People can change their mind, I know I have. But the constant, baseless bashing got old and I learned to tune guys like Adam Rank (among others) out.It's cool that he got his jollies bashing Joe Flacco - lots of people do/did - he carved a portion of his career doing it. It's also cool that he did a complete 180 when Flacco beat him over the head with reality - some people still haven't done that. I just don't care, though, goes in one ear out the other.And, just to make the distinction - I'm not saying Joe Flacco is, or was, above criticism. But that's not what was happening. Plenty of people have fairly critiqued the player, myself included, but some of the stuff I posted above is straight garbage.


Calling bs..if you won't listen, or even don't care about rank, then your posts in this thread don't happen...jussayin
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Calling bs..if you won't listen, or even don't care about rank, then your posts in this thread don't happen...jussayin


Difference between hearing and listening, 'jussayin'. More accurately, I don't respect what he says.

Some people can be objectively critical - Jaworski, Simms, Collinsworth, Young, etc - and some people just go off because they're not very good at what they do - Dukes, Evans, Rank, etc.
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Jaws is the only one  who is a raven supporter in the media it seems

 

Chris Berman, Brian Billick, and ESPN Analyst Ray Lewis are Ravens supporters.

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Jaws is the only one  who is a raven supporter in the media it seems

Chris Berman has also given us some love. I really like that guy.

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I'd bet a lot of money Rank chose Joe just so then he could read all the comments below the article as people took shots at Joe. Ridiculous some of those people keep brining up Joe's regular season numbers, as if they aren't as good or better than Brady's, Brees', Roethlisberger's and Eli's in their first 5 seasons

within Brady's first five starting seasons he had 3 rings. Lol
Big Ben is a play maker, he's the only QB that can produce w/o a solid o-line. &Flacco is just like E.Manning, wildly inconsistent but as clutch as can be when it matters most.
I understand what you're getting at but they are each ranked higher because they have the rings.. I know that Manning and Ben didn't get both in their first 5 years but neither one of them were getting much respect until they delivered the goods, especially Eli.
In due time people will begin to realize that flacco is GREAT
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I really would love to see Ray Lewis on ESPN that has a been a hotbed of anti-Ravens negativity for years.  How about when he digs down deep for some soul searing insight on the game?  Just the motivational speeches to the other crew members would be worth his salary.  I can't wait until the first time someone disagrees with Ray.  Please put him on every week.

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Chris Berman and Brian Billick are two of my favorite sports commentators.  Now, just add Ray to the list and we have a tri-perfecta (perfect trio).

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within Brady's first five starting seasons he had 3 rings. Lol
Big Ben is a play maker, he's the only QB that can produce w/o a solid o-line. &Flacco is just like E.Manning, wildly inconsistent but as clutch as can be when it matters most.
I understand what you're getting at but they are each ranked higher because they have the rings.. I know that Manning and Ben didn't get both in their first 5 years but neither one of them were getting much respect until they delivered the goods, especially Eli.
In due time people will begin to realize that flacco is GREAT

Yeah, but he hasn't won a ring since the Spygate scandal. You can easily attribute those rings to that. The team was also different as well at that point. He had a very good RB. You can't just say the rings matter when you include those facts as well. I'm not saying Flacco is Brady or better. Just saying it's not that easy to compare.

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I really would love to see Ray Lewis on ESPN that has a been a hotbed of anti-Ravens negativity for years.  How about when he digs down deep for some soul searing insight on the game?  Just the motivational speeches to the other crew members would be worth his salary.  I can't wait until the first time someone disagrees with Ray.  Please put him on every week.

Yeah. The interesting thing is Ray doesn't think we can repeat due to the lost talent & leadership. Lol. 

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While I totally agree with Adam Rank's assessment and logic, it was really hard to digest that bald fool Akbar saying he wanted Ben (are you kidding me?) Roethlisberger as his QB! Why would anybody want that guy as their QB just behooves me. To me I would take any of these QBs in the crunch in this order:

Joe Flacco, Tom Brady, Rodgers and then Eli Manning.... in that order of availability.

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Good for Joe but I would take Aaron Rodgers. Doesn't mean I hate Joe, just means I think Rodgers is better. Just like how I love Torrey Smith but I'd take Megatron over him any day of the week.

 

Homerism makes me laugh.

I think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the league, but he is absolutely not clutch. He can't play from behind at all.

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within Brady's first five starting seasons he had 3 rings. Lol
Big Ben is a play maker, he's the only QB that can produce w/o a solid o-line. &Flacco is just like E.Manning, wildly inconsistent but as clutch as can be when it matters most.
I understand what you're getting at but they are each ranked higher because they have the rings.. I know that Manning and Ben didn't get both in their first 5 years but neither one of them were getting much respect until they delivered the goods, especially Eli.
In due time people will begin to realize that flacco is GREAT

 

Brady's first 5 starting seasons he had a regular season quarterback rating in the 80s.  His first 6 postseason wins, 2 Superbowls among them, he had a quarterback rating of 86 or below in 5 of those games.  It's called revisionist history - Tom Brady's best postseason performances came well after he won those rings.  That's my point - those people are talking about completion percentages, TD-INT ratio, etc., saying Joe doesn't compare.  The fact is, Joe DOES compare, in terms of raw statistics, to Brady, Eli, Rothelisberger, etc. in both regular season and post-season performances during their first 5 years in the league.  They weren't as good as they are now.  Would I pick Joe over some of those guys with the game on the line, NOW.  No.  But if we're talking Joe year 5 to Brady year 5 (his 2005 season), the question is not as farfetched as you might think.

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Yeah, but he hasn't won a ring since the Spygate scandal. You can easily attribute those rings to that. The team was also different as well at that point. He had a very good RB. You can't just say the rings matter when you include those facts as well. I'm not saying Flacco is Brady or better. Just saying it's not that easy to compare.

 

I agree.

Most of my argument was geared towards Ben and Eli. But @Ravenslifer was arguing that these QB's didn't get much love in their first 5 seasons.

I was just making the claim that when you win 3 rings in 4 years whether it be due to a great coach, good offensive scheme or cheating the QB is going to get most of the praise. This is a QB driven league. 8 times out of 10 a QB will be the "reason" that the TEAM wins/loses the game.

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I agree.
Most of my argument was geared towards Ben and Eli. But @Ravenslifer was arguing that these QB's didn't get much love in their first 5 seasons.
I was just making the claim that when you win 3 rings in 4 years whether it be due to a great coach, good offensive scheme or cheating the QB is going to get most of the praise. This is a QB driven league. 8 times out of 10 a QB will be the "reason" that the TEAM wins/loses the game.

Ahhh. That makes sense. I see your point now.
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Brady's first 5 starting seasons he had a regular season quarterback rating in the 80s.  His first 6 postseason wins, 2 Superbowls among them, he had a quarterback rating of 86 or below in 5 of those games.  It's called revisionist history - Tom Brady's best postseason performances came well after he won those rings.  That's my point - those people are talking about completion percentages, TD-INT ratio, etc., saying Joe doesn't compare.  The fact is, Joe DOES compare, in terms of raw statistics, to Brady, Eli, Rothelisberger, etc. in both regular season and post-season performances during their first 5 years in the league.  They weren't as good as they are now.  Would I pick Joe over some of those guys with the game on the line, NOW.  No.  But if we're talking Joe year 5 to Brady year 5 (his 2005 season), the question is not as farfetched as you might think.

 

I understand what you're saying but I'm trying to show you the other end of the spectrum.

The Pats won their superbowls in 02,04 & 05. Brady's first full season was in 01. Therefore, he won all 3 of his in his first 5 seasons. 

 

Yes, Joe's numbers are right up there w/ Eli's, Ben's, Tom's and Drew's in each of their first 5 seasons. But they are not comparing Joe's 5th year to Drew's in his 5th season they are comparing Joe today to Drew and his back to back 5,000+ yard seasons. 

Hey man I'm with you, I wish Joe got more love than he receives but in due time it will come.. he just got his 1st ring and I don't think it'll be his last.  ;)

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Brady's first 5 starting seasons he had a regular season quarterback rating in the 80s.  His first 6 postseason wins, 2 Superbowls among them, he had a quarterback rating of 86 or below in 5 of those games.  It's called revisionist history - Tom Brady's best postseason performances came well after he won those rings.  That's my point - those people are talking about completion percentages, TD-INT ratio, etc., saying Joe doesn't compare.  The fact is, Joe DOES compare, in terms of raw statistics, to Brady, Eli, Rothelisberger, etc. in both regular season and post-season performances during their first 5 years in the league.  They weren't as good as they are now.  Would I pick Joe over some of those guys with the game on the line, NOW.  No.  But if we're talking Joe year 5 to Brady year 5 (his 2005 season), the question is not as farfetched as you might think.

 

The logic of today is basically: "Well, he's not Peyton, Brady or Rodgers, therefore he sucks." All while ignoring that none of those guys were stellar in their first 5 years as QB.

 

Okay, he's not. Doesn't mean he can't improve. Doesn't mean he's worthless.

 

I hope Joe has a breakout season next year with close to 40 TDs and under 10 INTs; realisitic, I expect some modest gains in the stat department and a playoffs appearance.

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Chris Berman, Brian Billick, and ESPN Analyst Ray Lewis are Ravens supporters.

 

 

good point i had brain fart, i was still thinking of Ray Lewis as a player

 

Chris Berman has also given us some love. I really like that guy.

 

ah yes good point

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My point was that I won't listen to anything Rank says because of his past columns and unprofessionalism. People can change their mind, I know I have. But the constant, baseless bashing got old and I learned to tune guys like Adam Rank (among others) out.

It's cool that he got his jollies bashing Joe Flacco - lots of people do/did - he carved a portion of his career doing it. It's also cool that he did a complete 180 when Flacco beat him over the head with reality - some people still haven't done that. I just don't care, though, goes in one ear out the other.

And, just to make the distinction - I'm not saying Joe Flacco is, or was, above criticism. But that's not what was happening. Plenty of people have fairly critiqued the player, myself included, but some of the stuff I posted above is straight garbage.

Yea, like Skip Clueless....who STILL says Flacco is crapola, and the Ravens will finish dead last in the division this season.

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LOL same!!
I use to give Flacco so much crap but then after mounting a 4th Q comeback against our Rivals on the road I supported him 110% after that. And the pats game in the AFC title game made me wacko for FLACCO!!

92 yards with 2:24 to go. "On the road, against one great defense" (Chris Collinsworth). No run plays. No yards gained from penalties. Sorry Elway, but IMO, this should now be considered "the drive".

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92 yards with 2:24 to go. "On the road, against one great defense" (Chris Collinsworth). No run plays. No yards gained from penalties. Sorry Elway, but IMO, this should now be considered "the drive".


Completely agreed!!
I hope that at the end of Flacco's career we'll ALL look back at that game and say "that was the night that it all began"
I believe that he is capable of blowing non-Flacco-believers MINDS.. If he has yet to do so.
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Jaws is the only one  who is a raven supporter in the media it seems

both boomers love the ravens, berman and esiason, and warren sapp for the most part of joes career has been a ravens supporter but he seems to be starting to dislike us lately. but yeah jaws has a man crush on the ravens and his MNF partner jon gruden, normally rides the jock of whatever qb hes commentating on, he doesnt seem to be a huge flacco fan though.
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Completely agreed!!
I hope that at the end of Flacco's career we'll ALL look back at that game and say "that was the night that it all began"
I believe that he is capable of blowing non-Flacco-believers MINDS.. If he has yet to do so.

John Elways "the drive":

The Browns had jumped to a 20-13 lead and the Broncos had muffed the ensuing kickoff when Elway took over, first-and-10 on their own 2-yard line, with 5:32 to play in the game.

  1. First down and 10, Denver 2-yard line. Sammy Winder 5-yard pass from Elway.
  2. Second down and 5, Denver 7-yard line. Winder 3-yard run.
  3. Third down and 2, Denver 10-yard line. Winder 2-yard run.
  4. First down and 10, Denver 12-yard line. Winder 3-yard run.
  5. Second down and 7, Denver 15-yard line. Elway 11-yard run.
  6. First down and 10, Denver 26-yard line. Steve Sewell 22-yard pass from Elway.
  7. First down and 10, Denver 48-yard line. Steve Watson 12-yard pass from Elway.

Two-minute warning

  1. First down and 10, Cleveland 40-yard line (1:59 remaining). Incomplete pass by Elway, intended for Vance Johnson.
  2. Second down and 10, Cleveland 40-yard line (1:52 remaining). Dave Puzzuoli sack of Elway, 8-yard loss.
  3. Third down and 18, Cleveland 48-yard line (1:47 remaining). Mark Jackson 20-yard pass from Elway.
  4. First down and 10, Cleveland 28-yard line (1:19 remaining). Incomplete pass by Elway, intended for Watson.
  5. Second down and 10, Cleveland 28-yard line (1:10 remaining). Steve Sewell 14-yard pass from Elway.
  6. First down and 10, Cleveland 14-yard line (:57 remaining). Incomplete pass by Elway, intended for Watson.
  7. Second down and 10, Cleveland 14-yard line (:42 remaining). John Elway 9-yard run (scramble).
  8. Third down and 1, Cleveland 5-yard line (:39 remaining). Mark Jackson 5 yard pass from Elway for the touchdown. Rich Karlis then adds the extra point to tie the game                                                                    
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Joe Flacco's "the drive":

92 yards, 2:24 minutes, NO run plays, NO yards gained from penalties, "on the road against one great defense" (Collinsworth), for a WIN! Sorry Elway, take a back seat to Joe on this one.  

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Why I refuse to play fantasy football, because all it does is promote some "need" to have fools like him on sports networks. The advent of "fantasy" sports irks me to no end because it promotes some garbage belief that stats are the be all end all of sports.

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both boomers love the ravens, berman and esiason, and warren sapp for the most part of joes career has been a ravens supporter but he seems to be starting to dislike us lately. but yeah jaws has a man crush on the ravens and his MNF partner jon gruden, normally rides the jock of whatever qb hes commentating on, he doesnt seem to be a huge flacco fan though.

 

Clearly you don't remember Esiason's Ray Lewis rant during media week before the Super Bowl last year.

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92 yards with 2:24 to go. "On the road, against one great defense" (Chris Collinsworth). No run plays. No yards gained from penalties. Sorry Elway, but IMO, this should now be considered "the drive".

 

Yeah, although I couldn't help but notice how many times I heard "caught by Boldin." Not saying Boldin just made Joe look good - Joe made Joe look good, cool as usual, moving on down the field. But it just reminded me that Boldin's gone and we are left with the guys that didn't make the catches (Reed and Doss - Torrey was 1/2). Sorry, guess I'm still not over it...

 

Wonder who they are gonna say bailed Joe out this year?

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Yeah, although I couldn't help but notice how many times I heard "caught by Boldin." Not saying Boldin just made Joe look good - Joe made Joe look good, cool as usual, moving on down the field. But it just reminded me that Boldin's gone and we are left with the guys that didn't make the catches (Reed and Doss - Torrey was 1/2). Sorry, guess I'm still not over it...

Wonder who they are gonna say bailed Joe out this year?


I also remember a pretty big "dropped by Boldin". Just like the playoffs the year before...
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I also remember a pretty big "dropped by Boldin". Just like the playoffs the year before...

 Yeah, there was that but it was one drop compared to many more catches (I didn't count exactly how many). I'm just saying it was a sad reminder of how much of a go-to guy he was. I know Joe will be fine and adjust as needed, I just hate that he's gone.

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Yeah, although I couldn't help but notice how many times I heard "caught by Boldin." Not saying Boldin just made Joe look good - Joe made Joe look good, cool as usual, moving on down the field. But it just reminded me that Boldin's gone and we are left with the guys that didn't make the catches (Reed and Doss - Torrey was 1/2). Sorry, guess I'm still not over it...

 

Wonder who they are gonna say bailed Joe out this year?

Well, to be fair to Joe, the Steelers were in prevent D so Boldin was always going to be open short and under neath. When they did make the mistake of pulling up, Joe hit Torrey in the EZ corner for the win...........it was a thing of beauty.

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