I love our team, I do

[nextgen_RavensFan]

We have one of the BEST defensive mindsets in the league bar NONE. We can compete and make moves and look like geniuses on the D all day long but what frustrates me is the offense and the actual clueless ways we amble year after year. We stumbled upon a great team that fit Joe perfect. We have a burner in Torrey we "HAD" a possession guy in Boldin and Jacoby as the wild card that roamed. 

 

We had projects that either did not pan out or just have not played up to potential as of yet. We all have seen the David R debacle on both Returns and receiving from years past and we saw last year that Doss needs to learn to hold onto the ball and be reliable. We also have seen just how bad Streeters hands are and we can see it going back into his college days. 

 

I love our team and always have and speak hastily a lot of times out of frustration because our actions on offense make no sense and we have no clue on offense and if we stumble onto a good thing hey we look great but usually we strike out on offense and that has been our track record right ? Aside from a handful of very good running backs what have we produced on the offensive side for weapons ?

 

That is why i got so upset when we let Boldin go and the refusal to stop the Oher LT experiments. In the end i think we did and are doing the only thing we could do given the cap room but i wish we would try to bring in some offensive minds to help us grow as the FO we have right now just either develop or recognize offensive talent. 

 

This may be a harsh reality but i think we hold a couple valuable players that could have been in play so we could have kept Boldin to help Joe but no one wants to say it or it is just being ignored on purpose. We have what i see as 2 of the best running backs in the league. I would have gladly see one of the two walk (you pick) and let them go and keep Boldin. He was that big a part of our offense.

 

As of right now the FO is telling me our defense will be so good that they will keep opponents scoring very minimal and our ground game will be that dominant that we can hold the ball most of the game. But without a possession guy i just do not see it. 

 

Sure we can be competitive but i just do not see us winning another trophy without a Boldin which we so casually gave away to one of our biggest foes no less. We barely beat them last year and we give them what was our best tool in the play off run last year. So kind of ya and i am sure your brother thanks you as well. Harb's may be a great guy but that was the dumbest move i have ever seen i hope his brother sends him a great birthday gift this year as he delivered them a trophy. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So we keep Boldin for this year and do not get Dumervil or maybe Huff or Canty or Spears or a combination of them... I'm with you because I think you can easily argue Boldin over any 1 of them, maybe even 2.

But my problem is, ok, you keep Boldin for this year. Then what? When he retires after this year, what do you do?

You look to a young guy on the roster, or the draft, or free agency. Which is no different then what we're doing right now. So, I could see keeping Boldin for this year if you think youve got another SB run in you... which I dont think this roster had. SO you let Boldin go and find pieces that will help you make runs for the next 5 years when Boldin would have been gone anyways.

I understand the disappointment, but the FO just decided to face the inevitable a year early because to them the benefit of getting a head start outweighed the possible benefit of keeping Anquan. I tend to agree.

[Blackbirds Rule]

 

This may be a harsh reality but i think we hold a couple valuable players that could have been in play so we could have kept Boldin to help Joe but no one wants to say it or it is just being ignored on purpose. We have what i see as 2 of the best running backs in the league. I would have gladly see one of the two walk (you pick) and let them go and keep Boldin. He was that big a part of our offense.

 

As of right now the FO is telling me our defense will be so good that they will keep opponents scoring very minimal and our ground game will be that dominant that we can hold the ball most of the game. But without a possession guy i just do not see it. 

 

Sure we can be competitive but i just do not see us winning another trophy without a Boldin which we so casually gave away to one of our biggest foes no less. We barely beat them last year and we give them what was our best tool in the play off run last year. So kind of ya and i am sure your brother thanks you as well. Harb's may be a great guy but that was the dumbest move i have ever seen i hope his brother sends him a great birthday gift this year as he delivered them a trophy. 

[The Raven]

If we don't trade Boldin, we don't get Canty, Spears, Dumervil ,and Huff.

 

Also, we used the sixth round pick we got to trade up for Arthur Brown.

 

I like the results. We won't win another Superbowl without Boldin? Child please!

[berad]

Still a better love story than Twilight.

 

I don't think a 32 year old 900 yd receiver will make that much of a difference. The FO rarely makes mistakes when actively letting guys go (cuts, trades).

 

You're also underestimating the impacts of a Caldwell offense - hopefully it will not be the same as in Cameron years.

[msufan]

I think we need to judge our offense off of the playoff run and what happens this yr.

[Alexir]

We don't have a possession guy?!

Pitta, Dickson, Juice, and Doss disagree

[Ravenseconbeast]

[GrimCoconut]

How do we have two of the best RB in the league and how do you propose we trade one? Do you mean Vonta Leach? I am guessing you mean Vonta because trading Pierce would be stupid due to his age and contract as trading him would free up very little cap. We also cannot trade Rice right now and probably shouldn't. Rice is a big weapon on this team as he is another WR at times. His contract is also very big and we would take a large cap hit to trade him which would be counterintuitive to trading Boldin. Furthermore if we traded Ray Rice there would be villagers outside the Castle.

Boldin didn't want to be here. That's the bottom line. He had a chance to stay by taking a pay cut. He chose not to take it. He was traded.

The Niners are not our biggest competition. They're in the NFC. We won't play them until the Super Bowl.

[The Raven]

Still a better love story than Twilight.

 

I don't think a 32 year old 900 yd receiver will make that much of a difference. The FO rarely makes mistakes when actively letting guys go (cuts, trades).

 

You're also underestimating the impacts of a Caldwell offense - hopefully it will not be the same as in Cameron years.

 

Lmao! Brilliant.

We don't have a possession guy?!

Pitta, Dickson, Juice, and Doss disagree

 

Smart to include Juice in here. Too many people under rate him. I see him as situational slot guy. This guy can run slants all day and move those chains.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

 

 

love is in the air...

[MTRavensFan]

To paraphrase John Steinbeck (on my adopted home, Travels with Charley):

 

I'm in love with the Ravens. For other teams I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection. But with the Ravens it is love. And it's difficult to analyze love when you're in it.

 

I also love Q and wish him only the best. It was a measure of our respect for him that we sent him somewhere we KNEW we weren't gong to have to play against him (outside the SB).

[Ravenseconbeast]

love is in the air...

Spring is here, the rain is falling...

[JEEPercreepermd]

After we won the Super Bowl, Bisciotti,Ozzie and Harbs all said that we aren't going to sacrifice the next 5 years for one more chance to win. If we don't trade Boldin, we wouldn't have been able to rebuild this defense. Sure, we don't win the SB without Boldin catching fire in the playoffs..but we also wouldn't have won without Mckinney's play at LT...or Ray coming back in time..or Suggs..or Ngata..the list goes on. The sentiment is that despite losing Boldin, we've been able to make this a much more solid team across the board compared to last year.
People were DONE with Boldin until the playoffs. He couldn't get separation, he disappears, he's dropping passes ect.. Sure, He's still a decent receiver, but very replacable.

Ozzie has shown all of us this offseason that HE knows what he's doing. Maybe they feel Doss is ready? I mean everyone was pining for this guy before he dropped a few balls. Torrey had the drops BIG TIME his first season..look at him now?

[Speed Kills]

LOL at all the negs the dude that started this thread got when he started this thread. My man I get you loved Boldin as did every ravens fan, but you are nuts if you think Oz isn't going to add someone before the season to help Joe out. Whether it is someone on the market now, or someone who has yet to be cut remains to be seen, but be PATIENT. Bet this right now though that whoever is added combined with Doss, who I am positive will see more time this year, has more production than Boldin did last season. He didn't even break 1,000 yards! he can be replaced so relax.

[Mt. Crushmore]

We also have seen just how bad Streeters hands are. 

 

Streeter hasn't even played in a regular season game.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I also think Dickson has the ability to replace a lot of Boldins production. Pittas will increase and Dickson will see a dramatic increase in touches I think. Everyone points to Doss, who I'm excited about as well, but Dickson is our next most proven commodity catching the ball. Pitta has overshadowed him but I think he breaks out in a contract year as we go with A LOT more 2 TE sets.

[NorthernCaliforniaRaven]

While I am not  happy with the Boldin decsion, I can understand it.

 

The Ravens need to  find out what they have in their WR fold, whether Doss, Thompson, or Streeter,  can they step up? If we had kept Anquan, it would have limited the visibility of the others, and we would likely never realize the potential they would have before FA came, and we could conceiveably lose more than what Boldin would have brought us.

 

Reminds me of the travails with Derrick Mason. His play curtailed our really developing suitable replacements. That's the nature of the NFL now. Young players need the opportunities to demonstrate whether they have the ability to pass others who are currently starting, and that time slot closes fairly quickly.

 

If the Ravens are correct, then one of the above mentioned wideouts will produce, though differently then Boldin, which could add more explosive power to our attack. Trust in the coaches, the organization to make the right call, and adjust if they need too.

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[EricH]

The Niners are not our biggest competition. They're in the NFC. We won't play them until the Super Bowl.

Exactly what I was thinking. ;)

[Yatagarasu]

and we have the blueprint to win the Super Bowl too.

[tctony]

I think OP has a point. We really are a bit short on WRs.

 

Anquan was the perfect fit in this offense. For how long? Who knows. Worth it over the defensive additions we made instead? Who knows. 

 

But we need to find or develop somebody to replace him...which our organization doesn't exactly have the best track record at.

[cobrajet]

@nextgen............I was slow to get over the Boldin trade also, but the FO has picked up some great additions and I started seeing the big picture. We will be good brother, and like others have said, Caldwell will make a big difference next season. Besides, Ozzie just might not be done yet :)

[JoeyFlex5]

We have one of the BEST defensive mindsets in the league bar NONE. We can compete and make moves and look like geniuses on the D all day long but what frustrates me is the offense and the actual clueless ways we amble year after year. We stumbled upon a great team that fit Joe perfect. We have a burner in Torrey we "HAD" a possession guy in Boldin and Jacoby as the wild card that roamed. 
 
We had projects that either did not pan out or just have not played up to potential as of yet. We all have seen the David R debacle on both Returns and receiving from years past and we saw last year that Doss needs to learn to hold onto the ball and be reliable. We also have seen just how bad Streeters hands are and we can see it going back into his college days. 
 
I love our team and always have and speak hastily a lot of times out of frustration because our actions on offense make no sense and we have no clue on offense and if we stumble onto a good thing hey we look great but usually we strike out on offense and that has been our track record right ? Aside from a handful of very good running backs what have we produced on the offensive side for weapons ?
 
That is why i got so upset when we let Boldin go and the refusal to stop the Oher LT experiments. In the end i think we did and are doing the only thing we could do given the cap room but i wish we would try to bring in some offensive minds to help us grow as the FO we have right now just either develop or recognize offensive talent. 
 
This may be a harsh reality but i think we hold a couple valuable players that could have been in play so we could have kept Boldin to help Joe but no one wants to say it or it is just being ignored on purpose. We have what i see as 2 of the best running backs in the league. I would have gladly see one of the two walk (you pick) and let them go and keep Boldin. He was that big a part of our offense.
 
As of right now the FO is telling me our defense will be so good that they will keep opponents scoring very minimal and our ground game will be that dominant that we can hold the ball most of the game. But without a possession guy i just do not see it. 
 
Sure we can be competitive but i just do not see us winning another trophy without a Boldin which we so casually gave away to one of our biggest foes no less. We barely beat them last year and we give them what was our best tool in the play off run last year. So kind of ya and i am sure your brother thanks you as well. Harb's may be a great guy but that was the dumbest move i have ever seen i hope his brother sends him a great birthday gift this year as he delivered them a trophy.

ok before i even read everyones response, im gonna go ahead and say what i know this whole forum probably already said to you..

boldin was that big a part of our offense huh? what about the games where he disappeared, just fell off the map, you know those games where joe looks awful, but nobody realizes that with some simple 1-on-1 coverage on boldin and safety help for torrey, that boldin disappears and if joe throws his way its getting picked off. boldin can catch the ball in almost anyones face, but when you run a 4.7 or 4.8 at WR in the nfl, all it takes is a clogged up throwing lane and you'll disappear from the game. when teams got in the throwing lanes, boldin was worthless, he hasnt produced a 1000 yard season for us in 3 years as our #1 receiver, and its because he disappears for 2-3 game stretches. the youth movement has yet to fail us, and boldin wasnt gonna be his hungry self that he was in the playoffs, he would have had another season under 1000 yards, been inconsistent, and made a awesome looking catch here and there. and people seem to completely throw out the window, that boldin drops balls, he dropped i think 2 balls in NE, pretty sure he dropped 2 in denver, and crucial balls too, like 3rd down passes, luckily we easily overcame them, but hes done it often(see the easy TD catch in PIT from 2011)

noooo wayyyyy do we keep bolding over either of our rb's, pitta is a younger and more athletic version of boldin, he plays almost exactly like him and has better chemistry with joe, and is more consistent, both with his hands and with finding open spots.

keep the youth movement rolling, and instead of tryna repeat, lets win 2 or 3 more over the next 6 years

[Fred Sanford]

I love Boldin and hate seeing him go. I was happy when we brought him in. People seem quick to write him off with this "never had a thousand yard season" business, but it's apparent Joe didn't understand how to use him best until late. I think Joe or Boldin said as much. He was "covered," rarely got targeted in those stretches he disappeared, but as we and Joe now know that didn't mean he wasn't open.

In any case, is he replaceable? We have no idea in the short term. We know we have a lot of options, including free agency if our in-house guys don't pan out. I find that pretty exciting, and I know at the very least our front office won't just leave Torrey hanging on the vine if these other guys don't work out. In the worst case scenario, our defensive improvements should even out the loss of Anquan, improvements we couldn't have made if we kept him. If, however, we get any kind of 800+ yard decent receiver to draw attention from Torrey, we've improved considerably as a team.

[Greatness]

Because we lost Boldin? Really? REALLY?

 

lol, my God.

[Purple Nurple]

Because we lost Boldin? Really? REALLY?

lol, my God.

Just back out slowly.....

[gabefergy]

And here I was excited to get a 6th round pick...

[TonyTone1192]

If there's one thing that I've learned over the years from being a Ravens fanatic is to NEVER DOUBT OUR FO!!
Lol we were voted #1 for a reason, our guys know what they're doing.
In Oz we trust!

[JoeyFlex5]

one more thought, as long as torrey is there to take the tops off, everything will be much easier for any other WR's we have, guys like doss will have the supporting cast he needs, same goes for pitta and dickson, joes gonna make it work