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It's a bit early but who would be your top candidates?  Not a number one but a solid number 2/3.  

 

Say we head into training camp and we see that only a few guys are legitimate contenders.  This is Caldwell's offense now and I see a need for 4-5 good receivers.  

 

1. Torrey

2.

3.

4.

5. Pitta

 

Jacoby/Doss/Thompson/Streeter.  Say only one or two work out for us.  We have a hole.

 

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It's hard to tell who might even be on the market.  The only guys I see right now that are candidates to be traded are Nate Washington and Doug Baldwin.

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I'll give my left arm, left kidney, left lung, & half my liver for Julio Jones.

 

I was thinking more like a number 2 guy.

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I was thinking more like a number 2 guy.

I really think we'll be OK. I really do. I think we'll be just fine. I don't want to trade for anything but a LT. Peters, Monroe, & to a lesser extent Albert. I really don't want Albert, though. I hope Ozzie is on the phone with the Jaguars trying to exchange Oher & a draft pick for Monroe. I really, really do.

 

Part of the biggest reason why the Pats are so successful is because of the OL Brady has. Give Joe time, he'll pick you apart. We can use Ray Rice as a slot WR. People forget that. We also have Dennis Pitta. We can use Bernard Pierce as a RB, KJ as a TE, with Jones & Smith as WO. 

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PolishRifle appearance in 3......2......1...... ;)

 

 

C'mon Polish I know you wanna give your voice

I guess, if you guys don't have good arguments you would have to stick to bullying. :P

 

I don't think there are many good FAs left on the market. The best available WR left is Brandon Lloyd, who reportedly is a lockerroom cancer and is already 32.

 

Man, that Boldin trade screwed us over. I don't see the Ravens trading for a WR. At that point we would probably stick to the benchwarmers we already have.

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I'd be uncomfortable if we entered the season with Jacoby as the number two WR. The rest of the WR's on the roster simply don't scare defenses like Anquan did. Not sure how our locker room will be without Ray and Ed gone, but I'd sign Lloyd immediately. I would still feel this way even if we drafted someone like Justin Hunter of Keenan Allen, but obviously we did not. I'm all for bringing Lloyd in.
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I guess, if you guys don't have good arguments you would have to stick to bullying. :P

 

I don't think there are many good FAs left on the market. The best available WR left is Brandon Lloyd, who reportedly is a lockerroom cancer and is already 32.

 

Man, that Boldin trade screwed us over. I don't see the Ravens trading for a WR. At that point we would probably stick to the benchwarmers we already have.

 

 

How can you say the Boldin trade screwed us before we even played this season? way too  early to go crying like some sissy

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Deonte Thompson grabs a wideout spot with stellar play in the

preseason .Oh yeah,he did that last year .

 

The slot position is anyone's guess. Tandon, maybe.

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It's a bit early but who would be your top candidates?  Not a number one but a solid number 2/3.  

 

Say we head into training camp and we see that only a few guys are legitimate contenders.  This is Caldwell's offense now and I see a need for 4-5 good receivers.  

 

1. Torrey

2.

3.

4.

5. Pitta

 

Jacoby/Doss/Thompson/Streeter.  Say only one or two work out for us.  We have a hole.

 

I have no idea who would even be available right now.  If we really want to bring in a veteran, I think our best bet is to wait until camp cuts and then snag one - that's how we got Houshmanzadeh.

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Maybe we can Glue Torrey's dreads on Arron Mellette and just let him run 9 routs!! Guess we can't cause Torrey already posted his new look on twitter.We couldn't fool anyone!! Lol
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I am willing to trade away the next three drafts for Megatron.



Is that enough?

You have to be joking. Lol. No way you are serious.
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I'll give my left arm, left kidney, left lung, & half my liver for Julio Jones.

 

That's still not enough...

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If anything I see us bringing in someone who gets cut during training camp.  But remember Lee Evans was a panic move the front office made because apparently they didn't like what they saw in preseason - I think that trade in 2011 has made them stick to their guns a bit more in evaluating our current talent.  What I want to see is whoever the 5 receivers are, that all 5 of them get ample playing time so we can actually see if they can play.

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I really hope one of the guys outside of Torrey and JJ just blow the competition away. To see Streeter or Deonte take the 2 spot would be exciting to watch. I'm really rooting for streeter based on the fact that he is 6-6 and we already have Two deep threat-like receivers.
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Hmmmmmm i'm really am not sure what team the ravens could do business with in a trade for a wideout. I guess you could look at the seahawks wideouts such as  doug baldwin  as a player of interest even Goldin tate.  Chargers wideout Robert  Meachum or Eddie Royal could be some  nice candidates  Denario Alexander as well . i think overall it may be best to just trust guys the ravens have already

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I think Ozzie will be hesitate to trade for a WR after wasting a 4th for Lee Evans

 

Doubt it.  That'd be like saying he wouldn't draft another first round QB after Boller.

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If anything I see us bringing in someone who gets cut during training camp.  But remember Lee Evans was a panic move the front office made because apparently they didn't like what they saw in preseason - I think that trade in 2011 has made them stick to their guns a bit more in evaluating our current talent.  What I want to see is whoever the 5 receivers are, that all 5 of them get ample playing time so we can actually see if they can play.

 

If I remember correctly it was because Torrey was struggling, Boldin wasn't panning out, and we had just cut Mason and Heap.  It was a good move and Evans actually played really well when he wasn't injured.  Besides that last drop he made some outstanding catches.

 

Imagine if Jacoby didn't catch that bomb and his last play was dropping the 3rd down conversion in Denver.  Despite his fantastic play all year we would have called him another free agent bust and blamed the season ending loss on him.

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I still really like Tandon Doss and think he will win the #2 spot, and move into the slot when we go 3-wide.

 

But that doesn't answer your questions. I liked Leonard Hankerson when he was in the 2011 draft. I mean, I really, really liked him. Not as much as I was high on Torrey, but still. I'd love to have Torrey and Leonard.

 

Remember how good LaQuan Williams was that year? If anyone showed they can play on the field, it was LaQuan.

 

 

as for signings, the Bills signed Da'Rick Rodgers. Devin Thomas retired from the NFL to avoid brain injuries, then came out of retirement in january to sign with the Lions. I think he likes being around the state of michigan, though. I don't know.

 

I don't know if there's any wide receiver in our price range that I'd like to trade for. Anquan Boldin was my guy since 2003, but he is out of our price range: as is megatron or anyone good. 

 

I say we give the young guys drafted beyond round 2 a shot for the first time in this team's history. 

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Deonte Thompson grabs a wideout spot with stellar play in the
preseason .Oh yeah,he did that last year .

The slot position is anyone's guess. Tandon, maybe.


That would not surprise me in the least. Laquan seems to have fallen out of favor behind him at this point v
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For the love of god trade for Kenny Britt or Danario Alexander. We have depth at wr, not a legit #2. How you gonna give Flacco a new contract and then turn around and take away his go to wr? If anything the draft should've been all about offense. We definitely should've added a wr like Keenan Allen or a Stedman Bailey. Give Flacco some new toys! He lost Boldin and you haven't given him ANYTHING in return. I thought this team was switching to an offensive focus? Don't make Flacco try to carry the offense and make up for an underdeveloped wr core. If we don't make a move for a legit WR I will be very upset. In Ozzie I Trust. Get it done sooner rather then later!

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I think the WR market is dried up. The future is subjective and I can't possibly imagine what will happen but if something does and a good WR comes about, I believe we'll get him. Without free agency and without drafting a WR, though, I believe Ozzie is confident in our WR corps.

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If I remember correctly it was because Torrey was struggling, Boldin wasn't panning out, and we had just cut Mason and Heap.  It was a good move and Evans actually played really well when he wasn't injured.  Besides that last drop he made some outstanding catches.

 

Imagine if Jacoby didn't catch that bomb and his last play was dropping the 3rd down conversion in Denver.  Despite his fantastic play all year we would have called him another free agent bust and blamed the season ending loss on him.

 

Again though, that was in the preseason.  Torrey started in game 3 of the regular season and never looked back.  I'm not blaming Lee for getting injured, just saying that in the past a lot of our free agent moves have been because the front office didn't trust the guys currently on the roster.  And I'm saying I don't see how anyone can evaluate any of the talent on the roster if they don't get playing time, and they can't get playing time if they are playing behind a bunch of veteran receivers.  Honestly I'd rather struggle this year playing with Doss, Williams, Streeter, and Thompson than bring in talent - the front office had that opportunity in the draft, didn't do it because they "liked the receivers we have".  If that's really the case, then I say let them play.

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Maybe someone like santonio Holmes will become available suddenly.

 

Assuming he's released and depending on how he heals from Lisfranc surgery, I wouldn't mind that signing. However, I'd rather see the young guys truly get a shot.    

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we'll see what shakes out, if not we'll just have to go with what we got.

 

EDIT: and if someone says TO I will find you.

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we'll see what shakes out, if not we'll just have to go with what we got.

 

EDIT: and if someone says TO I will find you.

Chad Johnson :p

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For the love of god trade for Kenny Britt or Danario Alexander. We have depth at wr, not a legit #2. How you gonna give Flacco a new contract and then turn around and take away his go to wr? If anything the draft should've been all about offense. We definitely should've added a wr like Keenan Allen or a Stedman Bailey. Give Flacco some new toys! He lost Boldin and you haven't given him ANYTHING in return. I thought this team was switching to an offensive focus? Don't make Flacco try to carry the offense and make up for an underdeveloped wr core. If we don't make a move for a legit WR I will be very upset. In Ozzie I Trust. Get it done sooner rather then later!

 

I think it's because Jim Caldwell will move to more of a spread offense and the best receiver will come out. I have faith in our guys. I think that underdeveloped core will devlop into one or two monster wide receivers.

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Again though, that was in the preseason.  Torrey started in game 3 of the regular season and never looked back.  I'm not blaming Lee for getting injured, just saying that in the past a lot of our free agent moves have been because the front office didn't trust the guys currently on the roster.  And I'm saying I don't see how anyone can evaluate any of the talent on the roster if they don't get playing time, and they can't get playing time if they are playing behind a bunch of veteran receivers.  Honestly I'd rather struggle this year playing with Doss, Williams, Streeter, and Thompson than bring in talent - the front office had that opportunity in the draft, didn't do it because they "liked the receivers we have".  If that's really the case, then I say let them play.

 

This. So much, this. If you guys played football at a high level, you'd be surprised at how many judgments are made without you ever getting a shot, how fickle player analysis and "try outs" during practice can be, and how a player with real talent can be masked. It's really sad, actually. 

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The greatest problem with Cam Cameron was how he didn't trust his players--only himself. He's a great coach, but that was his downfall from the word "jump", or I suppose "catch", in this sport. I think that's a big reason why we made the trade for Lee Evans, why we are uncomfortable here as fans regarding our "guys", and why Tandon Doss just hasn't turned on the light yet--at least as far as we can see. 

 

People forget that Torrey Smith didn't look that good against Pittsburgh week 1. People forget he wasn't even that impressive against the Titans week 2. Week 3, though...well, that was when he wouldn't be denied. Yeah, Tandon's had time to go and have more than three games. The problem is, a lot of the big plays he would have had were turned into defensive pass interference calls that negated any kind of positive yardage he would have had. He's not a bad football player. You can't just look at stats in these situations. People just selectively remember the bad games. The bad things do stand out. I'm sure someone will post that image of the ball going right past his "sure fire" hands, too, against the Colts. 

 

Whatever. 

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The greatest problem with Cam Cameron was how he didn't trust his players--only himself. He's a great coach, but that was his downfall from the word "jump", or I suppose "catch", in this sport. I think that's a big reason why we made the trade for Lee Evans, why we are uncomfortable here as fans regarding our "guys", and why Tandon Doss just hasn't turned on the light yet--at least as far as we can see. 

 

People forget that Torrey Smith didn't look that good against Pittsburgh week 1. People forget he wasn't even that impressive against the Titans week 2. Week 3, though...well, that was when he wouldn't be denied. Yeah, Tandon's had time to go and have more than three games. The problem is, a lot of the big plays he would have had were turned into defensive pass interference calls that negated any kind of positive yardage he would have had. He's not a bad football player. You can't just look at stats in these situations. People just selectively remember the bad games. The bad things do stand out. I'm sure someone will post that image of the ball going right past his "sure fire" hands, too, against the Colts. 

 

Whatever. 

 

That's the one I have the most problem with.  You can't basically ignore playing Doss (thanks Cam) for 2 seasons, and then thrust him into the biggest game of his life with practically no experience, and then complain if he struggles.  I remember very clearly after the preseason people called Torrey a bust, and even more people chimed in after the first 2 games of the regular season, saying he couldn't get open and had stone hands.  He needed time to adjust, and to have your first 2 games against the Steelers and Titans is not exactly a walk in the park.  I would hope Caldwell gives Doss plenty of opportunities against teams like the Broncos, Browns, and Texans this year, because even though he may struggle, playing time will pay dividends towards the end of the season.

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That's the one I have the most problem with. You can't basically ignore playing Doss (thanks Cam) for 2 seasons, and then thrust him into the biggest game of his life with practically no experience, and then complain if he struggles. I remember very clearly after the preseason people called Torrey a bust, and even more people chimed in after the first 2 games of the regular season, saying he couldn't get open and had stone hands. He needed time to adjust, and to have your first 2 games against the Steelers and Titans is not exactly a walk in the park. I would hope Caldwell gives Doss plenty of opportunities against teams like the Broncos, Browns, and Texans this year, because even though he may struggle, playing time will pay dividends towards the end of the season.

agreed. By the time Cam was fired, there left little time for Doss to get into a rhythm.
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I think it's because Jim Caldwell will move to more of a spread offense and the best receiver will come out. I have faith in our guys. I think that underdeveloped core will devlop into one or two monster wide receivers.

 

Jim Caldwell is the reason I am a lot more excited for our young WRs than I was with Cam on the staff. Caldwell will correctly utilize the skills of the young WRs, and we may see some exciting things out of some of these guys. I particularly have my eye on Tommy Streeter.

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Jim Caldwell is the reason I am a lot more excited for our young WRs than I was with Cam on the staff. Caldwell will correctly utilize the skills of the young WRs, and we may see some exciting things out of some of these guys. I particularly have my eye on Tommy Streeter.

 

 

Kind of ironic how Tommy Streeter is the one WR that is a perfect fit for Cam's offense.

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we don't need to trade for a WR. We use what we got. If Joe is making all that money, Im sure the front office has faith he can make a WR and not just rely on Wide receivers making him.

 

He still has Torrey, Pitta, Jones and Rice. We will be fine.

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Kind of ironic how Tommy Streeter is the one WR that is a perfect fit for Cam's offense.

 

It's sad really. We finally got to see how well Boldin could have been used these last couple of years once he started to gel in Caldwell's version of Cam's playbook. It makes me wonder what we haven't seen out of Doss, LaQuan, Reed and the other young WRs.

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It's sad really. We finally got to see how well Boldin could have been used these last couple of years once he started to gel in Caldwell's version of Cam's playbook. It makes me wonder what we haven't seen out of Doss, LaQuan, Reed and the other young WRs.

 

I really don't know what to think of our situation. We have a lot of guys that are athletic. They're all tough guys too. But who can catch? Who can beat press? Who can go over the middle and take a hit while making the catch? Who can break tackles?

 

We're all going to be a bunch of disgruntled, confused fans until the preseason rolls around and we get to see these guys in action. Then, we might still be disgruntled.

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Calm down everyone. I too was a little shocked we passed on some of the WR's that fell to us or we could have signed as an UDFA. However, after looking at what we have......we are ok. Let me explain.....first let me say this. Everybody is freaking out based solely on the Boldin trade. I understand the initial frustration. Boldin came up big for us in the playoffs and without him we may have not won the Super Bowl during that run. However, I was a little frustrated with Quan during the season. IMO he was missed some balls that he did not drop in the past and stats wise did not light anything up. AGAIN he WAS HUGE in the playoffs and would have loved to have him back....but like it or not he is on the decline. OK now on to what we have and since we have ONE spot to fill....being #2 WR lets look at what we got. We have 5 guys who can step up and take that spot....FIVE. Doss is  most likely that guy as when he is on....he can catch anything which is why he was Joe's personal favorite out of Indiana, plus he has all the measurable. Tommer Streeter has the size and speed. Now in his 2nd year with some work and good coaching...who knows how he will show up camp. LaQuan Williams was an UDFA who impressed everyone 2 years ago and made some awesome catches. Im not quite sure why he disappeared last season unless he upset a coach or something. Deonte Thompson again has the talent and tools.Finally,  Aaron Mellette this years 7th rd pick...this is what I find interesting. Everyone..including me wanted Keenan Allen....why.....because he was referred to as a BOLDIN CLONE. Mallette is a Boldin clone too. He is the same size and weight as Quan. He is a hair faster then Boldin. After doing some research I found these 2 interesting facts. Mallette was known for having ridicliously strong hands and for going up for the ball and taking it away from defenders....sound like anyone we know. We may have found a young Boldin in the 7th...not bad. Also we picked up 2 other guys that peek my interest. Kyle Juszczyk, our 4th is a freak. He has great ball skills, has great hands and feet. He also stonewalled LB's while playing the FB position. He will either replace Leach or will be converted to a TE which he reminds me ALOT of Pitta. Either way he is a good blocker and when out on the field gives Joe another target to throw to, just look at his Youtube video. Could you imagine having 2 Pitta's on the field at the same time...plus Torrey...Plus Ray....Plus Jones....however becomes our #2. What a nightmare. Someone WILL ALWAYS be open. Here is my sleeper dark horse......Trent Steelman. He is one of our UDFA out of Army where he played QB. Did some research on him and he could be a gem. He signed with us on Saturday and stated that we are bringing him in as a slot receiver. I watched his Youtube video and came away impressed. He has really good hands.....extremely quick feet and runs well. I think at worst he could be a Danny Amendola 2.0 just a little taller. Just like Amendola and Welker we comes in a UDFA but with a ton of athleticism and ability. If he works out we may have given Joe dare I say a Bradyesk arsenal i.e like 7 guys on the field to throw too at once. Im sorry for making this so long but I just wanted to prove that we are not as bad for a WR as some are making it out to be. Everything will play out in camp, but the pieces are there. NOW a legit LT.....that's what worries me.

 

 

 

 

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You all trust in Ozzie's talent evaluation. Am I correct? Put things into perspective. The only way for a WR or a player in general to turn into a great player is for him to be given an opportunity. For the most part, a lot of us trust Ozzie. He knows the WRs on our roster have a chance to be great or he would've made it a need. I really feel like Deonte, LaQuan, Tommy, Tandon and yes even David Reed could be superstars. They've all shown potential. Let them compete.

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Again though, that was in the preseason.  Torrey started in game 3 of the regular season and never looked back.  I'm not blaming Lee for getting injured, just saying that in the past a lot of our free agent moves have been because the front office didn't trust the guys currently on the roster.  And I'm saying I don't see how anyone can evaluate any of the talent on the roster if they don't get playing time, and they can't get playing time if they are playing behind a bunch of veteran receivers.  Honestly I'd rather struggle this year playing with Doss, Williams, Streeter, and Thompson than bring in talent - the front office had that opportunity in the draft, didn't do it because they "liked the receivers we have".  If that's really the case, then I say let them play.

 

Different scenario.  It was Torrey's rookie year and he was a 2nd round pick.  Doss is in his 3rd year and hasn't put it together at all.  Jacoby will never be a reliable number 2 and is only an OK number 3 who occasionally makes big plays.  We don't know what we are getting from Streeter or Thompson yet.

 

I'm just saying if we hit pre-season and it looks like we have a hole who would you be willing to trade for?  Thompson and Streeter could both break out and it may be a non-issue.  This is all hypothetical.

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I do not want to bring in a free agent ANYTHING for this team. I love the look of our team, we have some great talent that needs a chance.

 

HOWEVER, the only exception would be Left Tackle. I do not want to put KO at LT so I do want us to trade or sign a LT.

 

Receivers, Tight Ends, Corners, Safeties, Linebackers, Guards and Center I think we have great competition at.

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