LT Position Resolved ?

[GrimCoconut]

Take this for whatever you want but one of the analysts on NFL Network (I'm not sure which one) said the Ravens were very high on Ricky Wagner all along. He even said during the pre draft process the Ravens scouts were talking about him in the same group as Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel.<br /><br />I personally think that is a bunch of crap but it sure sounds good to find your franchise LT in the 5th round.

I think he well may be a LT. It really depends. I'm cautious on him. There have been LT who have gone undrafted, though. Bell is one of them, IIRC. 

 

Castillo is a really good scout when it comes to OL prospects. I really trust him when it comes to that. I'm cautiously optimistic, as I said. I think he will possibly not play this year, but I think there's a good chance he plays next year. 

[arnie_uk]

Why get Winston? We have Jah Reid, Ramon Harewood, Ricky Wagner, KO. I mean, we have a ton of RT. Jack Cornell, even. We're set at RT. I'm not even worried there.

if we get winston and shifted oher I'd be happy, because it means ko is at guard. We need a wall of three. The lineman together that will be the centre of your line. Lt g c, g c g, c g rt, doesn't matter where but a wall of three is needed

[arnie_uk]

Take this for whatever you want but one of the analysts on NFL Network (I'm not sure which one) said the Ravens were very high on Ricky Wagner all along. He even said during the pre draft process the Ravens scouts were talking about him in the same group as Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel.<br /><br />I personally think that is a bunch of crap but it sure sounds good to find your franchise LT in the 5th round.

considering they said depth in the post draft presser I don't believe that

[GrimCoconut]

if we get winston and shifted oher I'd be happy, because it means ko is at guard. We need a wall of three. The lineman together that will be the centre of your line. Lt g c, g c g, c g rt, doesn't matter where but a wall of three is needed

Oh, well you mean put Oher back at LT? Yeah, I'd be OK with that if we have Winston at RT. Isn't Clabo also available?

[SecretAgentMan]

Oh, well you mean put Oher back at LT? Yeah, I'd be OK with that if we have Winston at RT. Isn't Clabo also available?

Yep

[PurpleCorsair]

McKinnie is a risk - let's face it, part of the reason he had such a dominant run in the playoffs was he spent an entire season NOT PLAYING, meaning he wasn't as worn down as he normally would be.  Yes he was great for a 4-game stretch, but I don't like the idea of trying him at left tackle for 20 games in a row.  I'd rather it be Oher or KO if it came to that, yes Oher makes way too many mistakes and KO is an unkown, but both are young enough to hold up for 20 games at a decent level.  I don't think McKinnie is, at this point in his career.

It's not even the injuries that concern me. Mckinnie played well because he was benched for the whole season and had a fire lit under his butt. I don't know if he would have that motivation to play well if we signed him to a 1 year deal.

[easternshore97]

Take this for whatever you want but one of the analysts on NFL Network (I'm not sure which one) said the Ravens were very high on Ricky Wagner all along. He even said during the pre draft process the Ravens scouts were talking about him in the same group as Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel.<br /><br />I personally think that is a bunch of crap but it sure sounds good to find your franchise LT in the 5th round.

 

Why is it crap? He's from Wisconsin. They do nothing but breed Linemen for the NFL there

 

disclaimer: Badger Alum I am

[omar586]

well i guess we can sign big mac, let him play every other sunday, that way he rest his lazy butt, and at same time let others get chance and reps at the LT position. lol

 

 

 

we got find an LT other wise Flacco will end up on his back more than Hilton, lol

[easternshore97]

Check my guy out

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfTIrb3AQjM

[Ravenseconbeast]

Check my guy out

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfTIrb3AQjM

 

i hope he pans out.   wish the big guy the best. 

 

his more of a ran defender atm until he can work to get quicker on his feet.   

[Sizzlebshu]

We'll see. It could happen. I'm not saying it will happen, but I think Peters could be dealt before Monroe & Albert, just because the Chiefs may want too much for compensation & Monroe may or may not even be on the block. With Peters we at least have a reason to trade him--he's coming off of an injury. Even if he has been reportedly recovering well, there's still a high risk of him not returning to form or even having the injury recur. It's different than Suggs. Peters has had two Achilles tears repeatedly, back-to-back. He missed two seasons. When you couple that with the fact that John has some good ties to Philly, I like our chances of getting him. 

 

I'm not saying it happens, but I suppose we disagree regarding the potential of him being dealt. We shall see, since there's nothing to really discuss further than speculation, which I feel we've both made our points. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not sure we even trade for a LT. I feel like it's more wishful thinking on our part. Ozzie's probably waiting in the bush for someone to cut someone, lol.

John had ties to Reid I thought. He has no real ties to the FO or Kelly that I know of. I really dont think Peters gets dealt. Same reason as Revis. Philly in no way will get good compensation for him. If reports are that he is healthy I believe he stays. I don't think he missed 2 seasons. He had a tear, than retore it because his wheelchair broke. 

 

I agree Ozzie will probably wait or go to Big Mac before trading for one, but I think cutting Leach will be a significant determinate on whether or not we trade for one. I think we would have 5-6 mil in cap when all is said and done by July. We'd probably need to free up 1-2 more to get Albert or Monroe. However, I think both are more likely than Peters. Peters also doesn't fit Ozzie's MO and criteria he listed for acquiring a player and restructuring that he listed when he acquired Dumervil. His injuries + age probably limit how many years we could actually get out of him and how much he could possibly help us. Just my opinion though. 

[cobrajet]

No not at all, leave K.O. at LG where he is really suited. He played well there, but at LT he will have some growing pains and could get Joe hurt. I was hoping to at worse get Watson or maybe Armstead in the draft, but that did not happen. I think LT is still our biggest need. We need to get B-Mac back for next season or clear some space for Brandon Albert. Rumor is the Chiefs are now willing to take someone's second round pick next draft for him. Dispite what others think, Albert is a young serviceable LT and better than anyone on our roster. I would feel comfortable going into next season with him protecting Joe. As Sizzlebshu states we may have to cut someone like Leach to make that happen. Some people would not be ok with that but think it would solidify things for a while at a more critical position. McKinnie would be cheaper, but I do have a little worry about him holding up 16 regular season games and the playoffs.

 

I did not like the mistakes of Reid and Harewood at RT when Oher was at LT so I know they are not the answer and K.O. is the best LG we have so I would leave him alone.

 

I have not seen enough from Jack Cornell to form an opinion but I know some folks on here think he has potential and David Mins is a giant but from a small school. Not sure if they are just provide depth or they have starting potential.

[GrimCoconut]

John had ties to Reid I thought. He has no real ties to the FO or Kelly that I know of. I really dont think Peters gets dealt. Same reason as Revis. Philly in no way will get good compensation for him. If reports are that he is healthy I believe he stays. I don't think he missed 2 seasons. He had a tear, than retore it because his wheelchair broke. 

 

I agree Ozzie will probably wait or go to Big Mac before trading for one, but I think cutting Leach will be a significant determinate on whether or not we trade for one. I think we would have 5-6 mil in cap when all is said and done by July. We'd probably need to free up 1-2 more to get Albert or Monroe. However, I think both are more likely than Peters. Peters also doesn't fit Ozzie's MO and criteria he listed for acquiring a player and restructuring that he listed when he acquired Dumervil. His injuries + age probably limit how many years we could actually get out of him and how much he could possibly help us. Just my opinion though. 

Howie Roseman is the GM of the Eagles and he has been there forever. Yes, he has ties to Reid, but I remember him being well-liked by the organization & Roseman is a part of that. We've had trades with the Eagles, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. We have good relations, and if the Eagles did trade us Peters he wouldn't be in the conference, which is another benefit. Monroe would still be in the conference. Of course division trades are very rare, but teams seem to prefer to trade outside of the conference as well--at least when it's a very good player. 

 

Regardless, we'll agree to disagree, as I said. We've both made points. I don't necessarily disagree with yours, but I don't agree with them either. I think there's absolutely a chance we could trade for Peters, but to say that Peters is out of the question & Monroe isn't seems absurd to me considering neither organization (Eagles nor Jaguars) have said they intend on trading either player. It's all speculation on our part here. The closest thing I came to anything being speculated was actually Jason Peters. I have found nothing that indicates to me the Jaguars are interested in parting with Monroe. I have found information pertaining to the Eagles possibly having interest in trading Peters. There's the difference. 

[dirtybird10]

We've got options but none that I really like. McKinney is solid, but he is lazy and who knows if he can do what he did through the playoffs through a full season. However, that is really our best option as he is solid when playing well and knows our system. Oher could be moved over, but he is not very good. However, having Osemele at LG with Oher might help too, as Oher is much better when having a solid guard like Yanda next to him. This guy Wagner could then possibly move over to play RT and that way we keep the center of our line intact. Only other option is put Wagner at LG and Osemele at right or left tackle, but I don't really like that idea.

[jimmypowder]

We've got options but none that I really like. McKinney is solid, but he is lazy and who knows if he can do what he did through the playoffs through a full season. However, that is really our best option as he is solid when playing well and knows our system. Oher could be moved over, but he is not very good. However, having Osemele at LG with Oher might help too, as Oher is much better when having a solid guard like Yanda next to him. This guy Wagner could then possibly move over to play RT and that way we keep the center of our line intact. Only other option is put Wagner at LG and Osemele at right or left tackle, but I don't really like that idea.

 

Yeah i'm more worried about this position then receiver right now .If we can't protect Joe we will be in trouble this upcoming season.

 

Give Joe some time and he will destroy even the best defenses .The Broncos & Niners found this out in a hurry.

 

If we had a Pro Bowl LT I have no doubt that Joe would put up huge numbers and with our revamped defense ,take us to another Super Bowl

victory.

[jimmypowder]

We've got options but none that I really like. McKinney is solid, but he is lazy and who knows if he can do what he did through the playoffs through a full season. However, that is really our best option as he is solid when playing well and knows our system. Oher could be moved over, but he is not very good. However, having Osemele at LG with Oher might help too, as Oher is much better when having a solid guard like Yanda next to him. This guy Wagner could then possibly move over to play RT and that way we keep the center of our line intact. Only other option is put Wagner at LG and Osemele at right or left tackle, but I don't really like that idea.

I have no doubt that if we had a Pro Bowl LT,Joe would be taking us to another Super Bowl win this upcoming season.

 

But we don't have one.Yet.

[ravensdan]

John had ties to Reid I thought. He has no real ties to the FO or Kelly that I know of. I really dont think Peters gets dealt. Same reason as Revis. Philly in no way will get good compensation for him. If reports are that he is healthy I believe he stays. I don't think he missed 2 seasons. He had a tear, than retore it because his wheelchair broke.

I agree Ozzie will probably wait or go to Big Mac before trading for one, but I think cutting Leach will be a significant determinate on whether or not we trade for one. I think we would have 5-6 mil in cap when all is said and done by July. We'd probably need to free up 1-2 more to get Albert or Monroe. However, I think both are more likely than Peters. Peters also doesn't fit Ozzie's MO and criteria he listed for acquiring a player and restructuring that he listed when he acquired Dumervil. His injuries + age probably limit how many years we could actually get out of him and how much he could possibly help us. Just my opinion though.

I agree with this. We should not trade for peters trying to come off a major injury who may never be the same again. Monroe would be much more likely, but still seems like a pipe dream. I believe our opening day starting 5 are on the roster now. If we bring in mckinnie or any other vet they will be a backup failsafe player. We will need a vet backup center also

Plus there are more cuts to come. Maybe the right player will fall unexpectedly in our hands like Elvis.

[SecretAgentMan]

I agree with this. We should not trade for peters trying to come off a major injury who may never be the same again. Monroe would be much more likely, but still seems like a pipe dream. I believe our opening day starting 5 are on the roster now. If we bring in mckinnie or any other vet they will be a backup failsafe player. We will need a vet backup center also

Plus there are more cuts to come. Maybe the right player will fall unexpectedly in our hands like Elvis.

Lol. Faxgate with Joe Thomas

[izvoodoo]

Lol. Faxgate with Joe Thomas

God if that happened...

[GrimCoconut]

I agree with this. We should not trade for peters trying to come off a major injury who may never be the same again. Monroe would be much more likely, but still seems like a pipe dream. I believe our opening day starting 5 are on the roster now. If we bring in mckinnie or any other vet they will be a backup failsafe player. We will need a vet backup center also

Plus there are more cuts to come. Maybe the right player will fall unexpectedly in our hands like Elvis.

Why not? If the compensation is little, what's the risk? Let's say we traded them Ed Dickson & a late round draft pick in 2014--a conditional one. Let's say a conditional 6th round pick that could become a 5th round pick. There's absolutely zero risk in that. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Why not? If the compensation is little, what's the risk? Let's say we traded them Ed Dickson & a late round draft pick in 2014--a conditional one. Let's say a conditional 6th round pick that could become a 5th round pick. There's absolutely zero risk in that. 

Well fine let's assume Peters cant play in that scenario. The added risk that your forgot or failed to address is that we would have to eat the remaning money Peters contract which given our cap situation could cripple us in future years dpending on how its spread out. 

 

For the record, I agree the risk is low, but given that your example is extremely hyperbolic and likely nowhere near the compensation they would ask for in the wake of the Revis trade, I find it extremely unlikely. If we had to give up a first a future pick (let's say a third given the Revis trade), then we'd pretty much be screwed. 

[SecretAgentMan]

Well fine let's assume Peters cant play in that scenario. The added risk that your forgot or failed to address is that we would have to eat the remaning money Peters contract which given our cap situation could cripple us in future years dpending on how its spread out. 

 

For the record, I agree the risk is low, but given that your example is extremely hyperbolic and likely nowhere near the compensation they would ask for in the wake of the Revis trade, I find it extremely unlikely. If we had to give up a first a future pick (let's say a third given the Revis trade), then we'd pretty much be screwed. 

Which is why we trade with the Jags.....

We can give them a 6th round pick for Monroe.

[GrimCoconut]

Well fine let's assume Peters cant play in that scenario. The added risk that your forgot or failed to address is that we would have to eat the remaning money Peters contract which given our cap situation could cripple us in future years dpending on how its spread out. 

 

For the record, I agree the risk is low, but given that your example is extremely hyperbolic and likely nowhere near the compensation they would ask for in the wake of the Revis trade, I find it extremely unlikely. If we had to give up a first a future pick (let's say a third given the Revis trade), then we'd pretty much be screwed. 

It all depends on the compensation. Sure. I doubt we would make the move if our medical staff didn't evaluate it further to assess the risk. All I am saying is it's possible--not probable. Peters carries a massive salary this year. 10M. I mean, we would do it, but I think we would obviously have to restructure that deal if we even did bring him here. 

 

There is a difference between Revis & Peters. Revis is widely considered by far the best at his position. Peters, while considered very good, is not considered the best. Furthermore, what you have failed to address is the fact that Jason Peters has had two consecutive injuries to the same Achilles. That is an entirely different scenario from Revis', who had one injury to his ACL--an injury many athletes are now recovering from very well. Meanwhile, due to these consecutive injuries, Peters' trade value is very low. The Eagles might not be willing to deal him. I never said they were. It's all hyperbole, as you said. Given the fact that at least one source of media made the story about possibly trading Peters before the acquisition of Johnson signifies some possibility. 

 

I'd take Monroe every day of the week over Peters. I thought this pretty clear. I just can't speculate too much on it because there's really not much evidence on the Jags even wanting to make the move. At least with the Eagles, there was something. 

 

I would hate trading for Albert. I really don't like OTs with back issues after the show "Greedy Gaither & the Bad Back Bang" starring the San Diego Chargers. 

[arnie_uk]

I wonder would they cut peters

[mgridda]

#JahReidLeftTackle2013 imo

 

Jah Jah Jah Reid. 

 

 

edit: before I get any more negs, this was a joke. But, I'll sit here and take my negs like a man!

[GrimCoconut]

#JahReidLeftTackle2013 imo

 

Jah Jah Jah Reid. 

You really think so? I don't know, man. What makes you think that?

[SecretAgentMan]

#JahReidLeftTackle2013 imo

 

Jah Jah Jah Reid. 

I did not think I would use this one at all this week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

[jimmypowder]

[quote name="mgridda" post="1456801" timestamp="1367191262"] #JahReidLeftTackle2013 imo Jah Jah Jah Reid. [/quote] Jah Jah Reid Stink Stink Stink

[gabefergy]

#JahReidLeftTackle2013 imo

 

Jah Jah Jah Reid. 

Haha no. I remember 2 years ago you trying to claim that Reid could improve his feet and play LT. Well that hasnt happened has it? 

[izvoodoo]

We'll kick the tires on a trade for any of the three teams who drafted a tackle, since they all had LTs already.