2013 53 man roster analysis and predictions

[BmoreInBmore]

in my team? I coukd easily have said the same about you abd flacco. I get the feeling you think your above many here and your opinion is the correct one.

My lack of faith rests purely with Upshaw and what appears to be naivety. A kick up the [profanity deleted] may be what he needs to work hard in the off season

 

Obviously, as you continue to reference my opinion is not always correct. Upshaw was nothing but great for us on and off the field last season, so I have absolutely no idea why you or anyone else would question is work ethic. He cited personal problems for his inability to stay in shape this offseason I have no reason to doubt that is the truth. You don't know his personal life or what he may be going through so its extremely rude and disrespectful of you to judge him for that; especially when, like I said he has never given this fan base a reason to doubt him.

[arnie_uk]

Well I know plenty that have had personal issues like a death in the family and stoll work a 40 hr week then go to the gym. Its 2 years in a row now. I won't question it when he comes into camp in shape. Im not arguing his play you've sumed it up well

[SeaHawk]

I'd have to say that I agree with rmw10's analysis, with the only exception being that I don't think Furstenburg will be beaten by Bajema. But that's just me.

 

I think we've improved in a lot of ways this past offseason. The only areas that I see as being possibly worse than last year is the WR, FB, and ILB spots. However, if Caldwell is all that he is billed to be, then WR will be a wash, as he will use his guys in much better ways than Cam did. As for FB, that position is becoming less and less important, each and every year. In our spread attack, Juice is, on paper, a better fit than Leach was at it. However, that's just "on paper", and there's no denying the leadership loss of Leach and short yardage situations will be up in the air for a while with him gone. And ILB, I see that coming together as the season progresses. Sure, there are new faces, but that's not always a bad thing. Brown is supposed to be a great LB in time, and I think Daryl Smith is an underrated acquisition, the type that Ozzie makes every single offseason.

 

One thing we can all agree on though is this. We are all supporting our team, and we all bleed black and purple. Go Ravens.

[BmoreInBmore]

Well I know plenty that have had personal issues like a death in the family and stoll work a 40 hr week then go to the gym. Its 2 years in a row now. I won't question it when he comes into camp in shape. Im not arguing his play you've sumed it up well

 

Wow, its so revealing when a grown man compares his maturity and ability to deal with personal issues to that of a 23 year old. A little over a year ago this was a kid in college. What are you trying to prove?

[SeaHawk]

Guys, I respect your opinions, but please do not resort to personal insults only because of differing opinions. No need for warnings here. Stay cool.

[arnie_uk]

Wow, its so revealing when a grown man compares his maturity and ability to deal with personal issues to that of a 23 year old. A little over a year ago this was a kid in college. What are you trying to prove?

im far from a grown man. Im 22 myself. .. and I was describing myself. I left out the part were i have class om a Saturday after working said 40 hr week and study for the exams in the evenings before bed after working and going to the gym to workout. ..

[BmoreInBmore]

 

im far from a grown man. Im 22 myself. .. and I was describing myself. I left out the part were i have class om a Saturday after working said 40 hr week and study for the exams in the evenings before bed after working and going to the gym to workout. ..

 

That's wonderful, you are such a superior person to Courtney Upshaw, you are hereby given the right to judge other human beings whom you have never met.

[rmw10]

 

This gif has come in handy.

[rmw10]

I'd have to say that I agree with rmw10's analysis, with the only exception being that I don't think Furstenburg will be beaten by Bajema. But that's just me.

 

 

Just to touch on my opinion a little more here, I really do think it's going to be close.  Right now, however, I'm giving Bajema the edge based on his ability to play TE and FB, as well as his familiarity with the team.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Furst win the job, and I actually consider it fairly likely.  He's just in one of those situations where I haven't been able to see him play yet, so I'm not exactly sure what he brings outside of what they say on paper.  I'm sure if you came back to me during the preseason, my roster would have quite a few changes.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

 

This gif has come in handy.

 

just smile and wave i say lol

[arnie_uk]

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That's wonderful, you are such a superior person to Courtney Upshaw, you are hereby given the right to judge other human beings whom you have never met.[/quote]Petty insults are the sign you cant form a thought out response. You've done that many times today

[GrimCoconut]

Your lack of faith in my teams trainers, coaches and locker room leaders is disturbing and naïve. Upshaw will be in football shape come training camp. Simon is a project, he won't see very many snaps baring injury to another outside linebacker. Simon has played with his hand in the dirt for his entire college career, this will not be an easy transition for him. He is a rookie who is currently behind Dumervil, Suggs, Upshaw, and Mcphee, no way this guy is stealing snaps from anyone.

I'm confused. Not being rude or sarcastic but who's your team? Arnie's a Ravens fan
I'm really confused. Are you an Alabama fan or something?

[BmoreInBmore]

Just to touch on my opinion a little more here, I really do think it's going to be close.  Right now, however, I'm giving Bajema the edge based on his ability to play TE and FB, as well as his familiarity with the team.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Furst win the job, and I actually consider it fairly likely.  He's just in one of those situations where I haven't been able to see him play yet, so I'm not exactly sure what he brings outside of what they say on paper.  I'm sure if you came back to me during the preseason, my roster would have quite a few changes.

 

He was a beast in college, I think both of these guys make the team this year. Our offense will have to increasingly rely on the tight ends with such little quality depth at wide receiver. But, on a larger scale the NFL is becoming a league which utilizes the TE position in more dynamic ways.

[GrimCoconut]

What's going on today with all these insulting post?

[BmoreInBmore]

Petty insults are the sign you cant form a thought out response. You've done that many times today

 

It took you that long to come up with that response? Just stop you are sooo wrong about this and you are only going to embarrass yourself further.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd have to say that I agree with rmw10's analysis, with the only exception being that I don't think Furstenburg will be beaten by Bajema. But that's just me.

I think we've improved in a lot of ways this past offseason. The only areas that I see as being possibly worse than last year is the WR, FB, and ILB spots. However, if Caldwell is all that he is billed to be, then WR will be a wash, as he will use his guys in much better ways than Cam did. As for FB, that position is becoming less and less important, each and every year. In our spread attack, Juice is, on paper, a better fit than Leach was at it. However, that's just "on paper", and there's no denying the leadership loss of Leach and short yardage situations will be up in the air for a while with him gone. And ILB, I see that coming together as the season progresses. Sure, there are new faces, but that's not always a bad thing. Brown is supposed to be a great LB in time, and I think Daryl Smith is an underrated acquisition, the type that Ozzie makes every single offseason.

One thing we can all agree on though is this. We are all supporting our team, and we all bleed black and purple. Go Ravens.

Yeah same here. I think Furstenburg wins the tight battle.

[rmw10]

He was a beast in college, I think both of these guys make the team this year. Our offense will have to increasingly rely on the tight ends with such little quality depth at wide receiver. But, on a larger scale the NFL is becoming a league which utilizes the TE position in more dynamic ways.

 

I see no way we carry 4 TEs.  It takes away a roster spot from someone that would likely receive much more playing time.

[SeaHawk]

im far from a grown man. Im 22 myself. .. and I was describing myself. I left out the part were i have class om a Saturday after working said 40 hr week and study for the exams in the evenings before bed after working and going to the gym to workout. ..

 

Mad respect dude. That takes a dedicated individual to be able to do what you do, so kudos to you for that.

 

As far as Upshaw goes, I'd really like to set back and see where he ends up by training camp and then again by preseason start to make a judgment call. He seems committed to losing the weight he gained and seems like he realizes that he made a mistake, and all past history reveals that is an excellent worker who does great for us in his role. However, I can't make a judgment on this yet as I'd like to see if he is a man of his words and backs up his talks of being committed through his actions and comes in leaner and meaner. The magic 8-ball says its "too early to say".

[BmoreInBmore]

I see no way we carry 4 TEs.  It takes away a roster spot from someone that would likely receive much more playing time.

 

Leach leaving opens up a spot, and I think we carry 5 corners as opposed to 6. There is the room.

[SeaHawk]

Just to touch on my opinion a little more here, I really do think it's going to be close.  Right now, however, I'm giving Bajema the edge based on his ability to play TE and FB, as well as his familiarity with the team.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Furst win the job, and I actually consider it fairly likely.  He's just in one of those situations where I haven't been able to see him play yet, so I'm not exactly sure what he brings outside of what they say on paper.  I'm sure if you came back to me during the preseason, my roster would have quite a few changes.

 

Agreed. Too soon to tell about any position really because of the injury factor, but I would rather have the potential of Furstenburg myself if the call was today.

[SeaHawk]

Leach leaving opens up a spot, and I think we carry 5 corners as opposed to 6. There is the room.

 

I like this idea as well. Bajema being the blocking TE, whereas Furstenburg gets to learn how to play in a real offense with a real Qb in Flacco before he has to take a huge role.

[rmw10]

Leach leaving opens up a spot, and I think we carry 5 corners as opposed to 6. There is the room.

 

Having 2 FB's on the roster was actually taking up a spot.  I also don't see any way we go into the season with only 9 in the secondary (5 CB's and 4 S's)

[BmoreInBmore]

Having 2 FB's on the roster was actually taking up a spot.  I also don't see any way we go into the season with only 9 in the secondary (5 CB's and 4 S's)

 

Leach, leaving had nothing to do with roster spots it was purely financial, if we could have reached a renegotiated contract with him this team absolutely carries 2 fullbacks into the season.

[BmoreInBmore]

Having 2 FB's on the roster was actually taking up a spot.  I also don't see any way we go into the season with only 9 in the secondary (5 CB's and 4 S's)

 

The reason we didn't release Leach earlier is because we were in contract negotiations, the Ravens wanted this guy back.

[rmw10]

Leach, leaving had nothing to do with roster spots it was purely financial, if we could have reached a renegotiated contract with him this team absolutely carries 2 fullbacks into the season.

 

Oh yeah I understand that completely, but if we stick to standards, we only have 1 open roster spot from only carrying 2 quarterbacks.  I'd much rather use that extra spot on a LB or DB than a 4th TE that would rarely play.

[BmoreInBmore]

Oh yeah I understand that completely, but if we stick to standards, we only have 1 open roster spot from only carrying 2 quarterbacks.  I'd much rather use that extra spot on a LB or DB than a 4th TE that would rarely play.

 

When it comes to fourth and fifth string players it often has much more to do with their value to special teams. So at the end of the day I think that spot goes to whoever our coaches deem more beneficial to special teams. But, with so many unknowns surrounding our WRs I would give the benefit to a TE. I don't see the need in carrying Chris Johnson, or Asa Jackson, when we have such quality depth at corner.

[rmw10]

When it comes to fourth and fifth string players it often has much more to do with their value to special teams. So at the end of the day I think that spot goes to whoever our coaches deem more beneficial to special teams. But, with so many unknowns surrounding our WRs I would give the benefit to a TE. I don't see the need in carrying Chris Johnson, or Asa Jackson, when we have such quality depth at corner.

 

I'd never go short handed in the secondary.  What happens if 2 CB's, let's just say Webb and Graham, go down?  We have Jimmy, Chykie, and a 3rd CB with nothing behind them.  The only way we go with 5 CB's is if we go with 5 S's as well, since Huff can always move to CB for us.  The secondary is one position group that I'd much rather have too much depth than not enough.

[BmoreInBmore]

I'd never go short handed in the secondary.  What happens if 2 CB's, let's just say Webb and Graham, go down?  We have Jimmy, Chykie, and a 3rd CB with nothing behind them.  The only way we go with 5 CB's is if we go with 5 S's as well, since Huff can always move to CB for us.  The secondary is one position group that I'd much rather have too much depth than not enough.

 

That's highly hypothetical and at the very worst you are playing one game short handed this roster is obviously subject to change on a week to week basis during the season. You can't build a roster off of the worst case scenarios? What if Joe and Tyrod both go down ? Should we also pick up a 3rd QB? Can't think like that.

[GrimCoconut]

That's highly hypothetical and at the very worst you are playing one game short handed this roster is obviously subject to change on a week to week basis during the season. You can't build a roster off of the worst case scenarios? What if Joe and Tyrod both go down ? Should we also pick up a 3rd QB? Can't think like that.

Actually we can and should.

We run a lot of nickel and dime packages which requires secondary depth. That means at times we'll run 3-4 CBs on the field at a time. Considering that guys can you know become tired then you must have depth. You have to be able to rotate guys. You can't expect a CB to play that many snaps and avoid injury.

When you recognize that Webb has had two ACL tears and Jimmy has an injury history that means we could be down to 4 CB very quickly if we carry 6.

[rmw10]

That's highly hypothetical and at the very worst you are playing one game short handed this roster is obviously subject to change on a week to week basis during the season. You can't build a roster off of the worst case scenarios? What if Joe and Tyrod both go down ? Should we also pick up a 3rd QB? Can't think like that.

 

At any given time, you may need at least 3 CBs on the field.  Even if 1 goes down, we're in trouble.  I doubt you'd ever see any team in the NFL go with less than 10 in their secondary.  And even if the roster changes weekly, CB is not a position that you'll find easily.  There are hardly ever good CBs left on the market.  I remember a couple of years ago when we lost Webb and Foxworth, the best we could find on the market was Corey Ivy.

 

Again, it just doesn't make sense to lose one of the position that requires the most depth in favor of a 4th TE.