Terrell Suggs a cap casualty next year?

[GrimCoconut]

I wanted to post this for a while now. I now have a reason to really hammer this through after the pictures and what we've heard so far about him.

Suggs looks like he's going to rebound to DPOY form. I think he has a very good chance to reclaim that title this year. The improved DL in addition to Dumervil will elevate his game. Those DT should really help him in terms of his overall game. A lot is said about how our ILB will benefit from the improved DL but I see Suggs benefiting they most.

Furthermore, Suggs plays his best when he has competition. I've noticed that. He seems to elevate his game when he knows he had to do it. I think the presence of Dumervil will elevate Suggs because he has someone he can feed off and compete against on the same team for that DPOY award.

I'm very excited to see Terrell Suggs this year. I think the absence of Ray and Ed even furthers to elevate his game. I expect great things from him. I think he'll play so well there won't be a reason for is to cut him.

[MTRavensFan]

Not just his game, but also his maturity and presence in the locker room will reach a whole new level.

 

I think battling back from that injury last year was a huge turning point for Suggs - put things in perspective, strengthened that inner fire. His mental toughness was impressive, and part of what carried that team to the SB.

He also seems to have put the off-field shenanigans behind him - got married, loves being with his kids...

 

Suggs is going to be the rock this year, and elevate the game of everyone around him. Can't wait to see it.

[flynismo]

I wanted to post this for a while now. I now have a reason to really hammer this through after the pictures and what we've heard so far about him.

Suggs looks like he's going to rebound to DPOY form. I think he has a very good chance to reclaim that title this year. The improved DL in addition to Dumervil will elevate his game. Those DT should really help him in terms of his overall game. A lot is said about how our ILB will benefit from the improved DL but I see Suggs benefiting they most.

Furthermore, Suggs plays his best when he has competition. I've noticed that. He seems to elevate his game when he knows he had to do it. I think the presence of Dumervil will elevate Suggs because he has someone he can feed off and compete against on the same team for that DPOY award.

I'm very excited to see Terrell Suggs this year. I think the absence of Ray and Ed even furthers to elevate his game. I expect great things from him. I think he'll play so well there won't be a reason for is to cut him.

 

Suggs is a beast

 

The circle just keeps completing itself...I remember getting into many "debates" a couple years ago over Suggs and just how good he is, even though his stats dont normally reflect it.

He is the best LB in the game...that includes Willis, Ware or anyone else you want to throw into the conversation.

 

Oh, and plus 1 for actually having a grasp on the concepts of paragraphs and punctuation. 

Sigh...long story...

[rmw10]

I'm hoping we can extend him at least.  That cap number is huge, and saving ~$8M is really enticing.  I don't want to see him go, but can't see him staying at that rate for next season.  There aren't too many cut candidates that would save much of anything.  McClain, Koch, and Spears are the only guys that stand out outside of Suggs.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm hoping we can extend him at least. That cap number is huge, and saving ~$8M is really enticing. I don't want to see him go, but can't see him staying at that rate for next season. There aren't too many cut candidates that would save much of anything. McClain, Koch, and Spears are the only guys that stand out outside of Suggs.

We have absurd depth on the DL. Honestly with Williams be could be our NT and perhaps Cody turns on the light at worst, I see Cody as great depth behind Williams. We won't be parting with Ngata next year. We very well could see Canty and Spears as expendable. We just drafted Lewis-Moore and he's a beast. We have Tyson. I honestly can see Spears and Canty as stop gaps for a year. It's entirely possible.

I know it can be said that we have good depth at OLB as well but does anyone really feel comfortable losing Suggs and having Upshaw (weight problems) or Hamilton (a preseason warrior) or even John Simon? I can't. I like all those players but I don't see anyone replacing Suggs not even Dumervil.

I can be wrong here but wasn't Dumervil playing LOLB during his best year? I know he lined up in many places but I thought he played there they most. Someone correct it affirm that statement please.

[beanfigger]

I'm hoping we can extend him at least.  That cap number is huge, and saving ~$8M is really enticing.  I don't want to see him go, but can't see him staying at that rate for next season.  There aren't too many cut candidates that would save much of anything.  McClain, Koch, and Spears are the only guys that stand out outside of Suggs.

 

It's up to him to prove that we cannot "afford" to cut him, no matter how much money it saves us.  Extending is a likely scenario, I hope, assuming he stays healthy and returns to form.

[GrimCoconut]

Suggs is a beast

The circle just keeps completing itself...I remember getting into many "debates" a couple years ago over Suggs and just how good he is, even though his stats dont normally reflect it.
He is the best LB in the game...that includes Willis, Ware or anyone else you want to throw into the conversation.

Oh, and plus 1 for actually having a grasp on the concepts of paragraphs and punctuation.
Sigh...long story...

No problem. It's not easy with this phone. It's a real PITA when it comes to typing. I hate these touchscreens. I used to be lightning fast before. Ugh. Lol. Auto correct is also very fun. Can't tell you all the funny errors I've removed lol.

I obviously agree regarding Suggs. I happy he grew up from his 2009 (I believe) season where he was very fat and out of shape.

[codizzle]

Love hearing how great sizzle looks at mini camp..
Looks like he's in peak conditioning and had that explosion completely back

[rmw10]

We have absurd depth on the DL. Honestly with Williams be could be our NT and perhaps Cody turns on the light at worst, I see Cody as great depth behind Williams. We won't be parting with Ngata next year. We very well could see Canty and Spears as expendable. We just drafted Lewis-Moore and he's a beast. We have Tyson. I honestly can see Spears and Canty as stop gaps for a year. It's entirely possible.

I know it can be said that we have good depth at OLB as well but does anyone really feel comfortable losing Suggs and having Upshaw (weight problems) or Hamilton (a preseason warrior) or even John Simon? I can't. I like all those players but I don't see anyone replacing Suggs not even Dumervil.

I can be wrong here but wasn't Dumervil playing LOLB during his best year? I know he lined up in many places but I thought he played there they most. Someone correct it affirm that statement please.

 

Cutting Canty saves $1.8M next year, so it is possible, but I think it's unlikely.  Word is that he has looked incredible this week so far.  With us potentially losing Arthur Jones, I think he sticks around.  Ngata, Williams, and KLM (assuming he recovers) are the only guarantees for the roster next year, with a strong candidate in Tyson as well.

 

I'm really curious about OLB next year.  I'm not comfortable with losing Suggs at all, but we do have Upshaw behind him.  I'm also really intrigued by the McPhee change to OLB.  Apparently he's been playing there exclusively this offseason and dropped quite a bit of weight.  I'm not sure if that says anything about Suggs' future or not.  I really don't see Suggs leaving.  I see him being extended before anything, but I really can't put anything past Ozzie at this point lol.

[BirdWatcher]

Ozzie rarely cuts players he drafted. He might let them go, but he doesn't just cut them.

[Gordo52]

Yeah, Suggs looks really good. Also saw that he was very serious at the press conference. Very good news.

I wish I could post the pic of him but photo bucket is tripping right now for me

[arnie_uk]

Yeah, Suggs looks really good. Also saw that he was very serious at the press conference. Very good news.
I wish I could post the pic of him but photo bucket is tripping right now for me

is that the one of him with fatty, I mean upshaw in the back round? Lol

[GrimCoconut]

Cutting Canty saves $1.8M next year, so it is possible, but I think it's unlikely. Word is that he has looked incredible this week so far. With us potentially losing Arthur Jones, I think he sticks around. Ngata, Williams, and KLM (assuming he recovers) are the only guarantees for the roster next year, with a strong candidate in Tyson as well.

I'm really curious about OLB next year. I'm not comfortable with losing Suggs at all, but we do have Upshaw behind him. I'm also really intrigued by the McPhee change to OLB. Apparently he's been playing there exclusively this offseason and dropped quite a bit of weight. I'm not sure if that says anything about Suggs' future or not. I really don't see Suggs leaving. I see him being extended before anything, but I really can't put anything past Ozzie at this point lol.

Well, to be fair I agree. I'm not convinced we bring back Jones. With that said, we can have something like this:

RE: Ngata, Lewis-Moore, Tyson
NT: Williams, Cody
LE: Canty, Pericak

I think that will be our future next year. That is if McPhee moves to OLB.

Anyway, I think we'll lose other guys before Suggs. I think Suggs stays on this team beyond next year. I can lose guys like McClain, McKinnie. Those are just two but without looking at the list I can't really comment beyond them. I think I made my point.

I just can't see Suggs gone. He's too good. The only way I see him gone is if he has a bad year this year and I just can't see it.

[JO_75]

I can see Ozzie thinking ahead and part of the reason others left was not just the young guys, but also Suggs/Ngata. While young guys like Pitta, Oher, Art Jones are all priority, Ozzie probably also figured out some way to keep Suggs and Ngata Ravens for life among the potential contracts.

[izvoodoo]

I can see Ozzie thinking ahead and part of the reason others left was not just the young guys, but also Suggs/Ngata. While young guys like Pitta, Oher, Art Jones are all priority, Ozzie probably also figured out some way to keep Suggs and Ngata Ravens for life among the potential contracts.

Isn't ngata's contract all dead money if we cut him?

[rmw10]

Isn't ngata's contract all dead money if we cut him?

 

If we were to cut Ngata after this season, there will be $15M in dead money.  His cap number is $16M, so we'd only save $1M by cutting him.  In 2015, however, with the same cap number, we'd save $8.5M.

[Ravenseconbeast]

lets cut our best players ngata & suggs

 

b/c we all know how great our defense were w/o them....right?

[izvoodoo]

If we were to cut Ngata after this season, there will be $15M in dead money.  His cap number is $16M, so we'd only save $1M by cutting him.  In 2015, however, with the same cap number, we'd save $8.5M.

So Ngata will not be a cap casualty next year, but may be the year after.  Ngata may get cut because he's been so dinged up, suggs they're going to try to extend.

 

Keep in mind impace DTs and OLBs are among the hardest things to find.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

All the additions aren't to replace Suggs and Ngata, they are to help take the reps and burden off to lengthen their prime years. I think we'd sooner cut Rice.... And I don't see that happening either.

These 2 are the new Ray and Ed (symbolically of course since you can't really replace either). No way 6-7 years ago anyone would have said cut Ray, coming off an injury or not. Ngata is a defensive centerpiece - you just can't find them anywhere - and our line depth should help keep him fresh.

Suggs is 1 year removed from being the best in the league. He'll bounce back and having Doom opposite him will lessen the double teams and the pounding he takes.

Plain and simple - NO.

Oh and btw Joe Flacco's cap hit jumps to around $16 mill in 2 years.... If he isn't Super Bowl MVP next year he's probably an option to become a cap causality too, right?

[rmw10]

All the additions aren't to replace Suggs and Ngata, they are to help take the reps and burden off to lengthen their prime years. I think we'd sooner cut Rice.... And I don't see that happening

Oh and btw Joe Flacco's cap hit jumps to around $16 mill in 2 years.... If he isn't Super Bowl MVP next year he's probably an option to become a cap causality too, right?

I know this isn't serious, but no way Flacco could be cut when his number reaches that amount in 2 years. The bonus money that is spread out over the additional years of that contract accelerates and hits the cap the year that the player is cut. It would actually cost more money for a team to cut someone like Flacco than to keep him. Same thing goes for Rice for the next 2 or 3 years if I remember correctly.

[arnie_uk]

I dont think some people realise how tight against the cap we are next year. Its projected to be worse than this year. While no one wants suggs or Ngata cut something will need done with their cap figures in all likelihood. Id expect an extension for suggs

[Ravenstexansfan]

This is one of those talking points where you just have to wait and see how the players perform. Ngata isn't really an option for next year considering what has already been brought up; it would only save us 1 mil. I have to reserve my opinion on whether or not Suggs will become a cap casualty. I believe he will return to a form where he will be indispensable, but I don't KNOW that he will. Every year, I hear "x player is going to do this and that" then they don't, but I also hear "x player is old/broken/not the same; he's done" then they put up a career year(granted, it's usually a last hurrah.) We're just going to have to wait and watch for who's worth what their cap number is. Money is going to get TIGHT these coming years. Some of our current marquee players are, at the very least, going to have to restructure. You also have to take into account the young players who are going to emerge as star. They're going to want to be payed too. The cap will probably make us decide between guys like them and guys like suggs and Ngata. But you know, Trent Boyett doesn't get out for a couple more years; I'm going to enjoy what we have right now.

[rafahash]

Suggs and Ngata are still top of their game.

 

They will not be possible cap casualty until their final year of their contract.

 

Suggs will be motivated and he was one year remove from a Defensive Player of the Year season.

 

I assume that Ozzie will not extend Suggs after his contract is over due to that the front office will not invest on expensive aging players. That Boldin move showed how the front office operates, so any players that are over 30, have any expensive cap, haven't lived up to their contract, and won't take a paycut, then they will be targeted as cap casualty. It sucks, but that's the way of the cap. We have to save our money for our young and upcoming players, instead of holding onto the past.

 

John Simon, Brandon Williams, and Kapron Lewis-Moore will provide a lot of depth and stablity for the future.

 

Agreed.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I don't see Suggs as a cap casualty next year. I would expect the team to aggressively attempt to restructure his contract and extend him. The only way I see Sizzle rolling is if he chooses to do so himself by not accepting their offer, which in turn forces the team to make a decision.

[PurpleCityLights]

Suggs will retire a Raven........period!

[black blood purple passion]

Ozzie's trying to construct a young dynasty here. This season is my mind the first test drive, to see how competitive our young core of new players can be. This process has been in motion for a few years, but thats just because Ozzie didn't want to perform a complete overhaul which would have set us back a few years.

[B-more Ravor]

I'm not saying that Suggs will be cut next year, but I think it's a very high probability that he does not play next year under the present deal.

If he plays well this year, I would think they would pursue an extension to bring that Cap number down. If he has a poor or so-so year, then I think it is possible that he could be released.

Because he'll be in the last year of his deal, he will be - much like Boldin this past March - the one place where they can get a lot of Cap space. With most of the other highly paid players, there's not a lot of Cap savings available (via either restructure or release).

With Suggs, there is, which means, IMO, that this is a very important year for him. He plays well, he gets paid - either here or elsewhere. He plays poorly, he gets cut and faces an uncertain market, coming off of 2 poor (by his standards) seasons.

Based on the excellent shape that he's apparently in, I'd say he sees this also.

[arnie_uk]

I'm not saying that Suggs will be cut next year, but I think it's a very high probability that he does not play next year under the present deal.If he plays well this year, I would think they would pursue an extension to bring that Cap number down. If he has a poor or so-so year, then I think it is possible that he could be released.Because he'll be in the last year of his deal, he will be - much like Boldin this past March - the one place where they can get a lot of Cap space. With most of the other highly paid players, there's not a lot of Cap savings available (via either restructure or release).With Suggs, there is, which means, IMO, that this is a very important year for him. He plays well, he gets paid - either here or elsewhere. He plays poorly, he gets cut and faces an uncertain market, coming off of 2 poor (by his standards) seasons.Based on the excellent shape that he's apparently in, I'd say he sees this also.

thats exactly my point, and aren't we projected to be in as bad if not worse cap shape next season, depending on the cap limit?

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not saying that Suggs will be cut next year, but I think it's a very high probability that he does not play next year under the present deal.

If he plays well this year, I would think they would pursue an extension to bring that Cap number down. If he has a poor or so-so year, then I think it is possible that he could be released.

Because he'll be in the last year of his deal, he will be - much like Boldin this past March - the one place where they can get a lot of Cap space. With most of the other highly paid players, there's not a lot of Cap savings available (via either restructure or release).

With Suggs, there is, which means, IMO, that this is a very important year for him. He plays well, he gets paid - either here or elsewhere. He plays poorly, he gets cut and faces an uncertain market, coming off of 2 poor (by his standards) seasons.

Based on the excellent shape that he's apparently in, I'd say he sees this also.

Can't disagree with that. He'll obviously get cut if he had a disappointing year. No question. Well, cut or restructured. I think even with a poor year we'd find a way to keep him but I think his deal would get restructured unless he flat out refuses. That's entirely possible. He doesn't come off as the type who would want to take a cut.

[B-more Ravor]

 

thats exactly my point, and aren't we projected to be in as bad if not worse cap shape next season, depending on the cap limit?

 

Yes, assuming another minimal increase in the Cap, they will again be very tight against the Cap.