Welcome to Baltimore, Arthur Brown

[PuRock]

Of course, he may not need to add much weight with that monstrous line in front of him. 

 

I wonder how Brown would fare against guys like Vernon Davis and Gronk?

 

Which seems to be the plan.  Beef up the D-line and get an athletic, versatile, ILB that can be free to step back in coverage or rush the QB.   If the D-Line holds their own, Brown can dart behind the LOS.  

 

Brown is ideal at covering RBs.  He has the ability to face TEs right now though as well.  But it is yet to seen how he will fare with these monstrous  athletic TEs nowadays.  But he has the coverage skills and athleticism to at least put himself in good position.  

[CARavensFan]

I will come at you with a rusty fork.   :D

 

But yea, the guy isn't perfect, but who is?  But for what we are trying to do, he makes sense.  In that Baylor video it does show him being over aggressive and missing tackles at time.  But at the same time,  whenever RG3 left the pocket, A Brown was there.  Had some quality QB rushes.  Picked up the easy INT and made a big time sack in the 4th.  

 

He can rush the QB, drop back in coverage, and stop the run.  

 

No to mention that when the game got tight and things were on the line he came up big. That quality of making plays when it matters is very valuable and from the 3:00 mark of that video against Baylor he was in beast mode.

[beasy2487]

CARavensFan, on 29 Apr 2013 - 11:43 AM, said:
No to mention that when the game got tight and things were on the line he came up big. That quality of making plays when it matters is very valuable and from the 3:00 mark of that video against Baylor he was in beast mode.

This is what I'm focused on. Brown seemed to turn it up in crunch time and I think that level of intensity bodes well for his development in the NFL. As DeCosta said, this is a "foundational" draft. There weren't a lot of dominant college guys, but plenty of guys that could develop into dominant NFL players. I think, with our player development system, Brown will have every opportunity to develop into a great 3-down ILB.

[GrimCoconut]

Prepare for Grim and Gabe to chew you out. I got chewed out pretty bad when I counted 4-5 missed tackles in another video of him. 

Lol. I'm not going to chew anyone out. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. 

 

 

 

Brown was probably playing at 230 during the season. He likely added weight this off season.

 

Minter is a better tackler and a much better run defender, but Brown has the athleticism and coverage abilities the NFL requires these days. I think Brown's ceiling is higher. My concern is that if Brown adds the weight he needs to, he may lose the range that makes him the linebacker he is.

I'm a big fan of Minter. Everyone thinks that just because Brown was my boy he was the only linebacker I liked. I liked Te'o, Minter, Sio Moore & Alonso a lot. I even liked Ogletree, but to a lesser extent. I'm a big fan of Jon Major (hope we get him as an UDFA) & my man Matt Evans. Honestly, I don't mind the criticism. I can take it. Was I a bit too high on Brown? Yeah. I just loved what I saw in him. His leadership, focus, drive, capabilities, coverage skills, run-stopping abilities, personality. He was the whole package, IMO. He didn't have the drama of Te'o, either--not that I dislike Te'o at all.

 

I don't want people to think that because I loved Arthur Brown meant I disliked any other ILB prospect less. That's not the case. I would've been happy with any of those guys. We just got the guy I liked the best. That's all. 

 

As for 2011, I've watched every game of his since 2011-2012. It was not easy--let me tell you that right now. I had to scourge the Internet to even find all of those games. But I will say,  he was much more impressive in 2012 than 2011. He took a big step up this year. So while that's extremely fair to say he missed tackles--I completely agree--he did much better this year than last. 

 

Here, go watch Arthur Brown VS Geno Smith, Tavon Austin & Stedman Bailey. It's a good showing of what you will see from him, I think:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtYrNxhUic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2gDe96jl4k

[1/28/01]

I sure as hell love when he plants Smith on his ass and then pivots to turn up field and find the WR. Seems pretty damn relentless and his closing speed looks unreal!

[GrimCoconut]

I sure as hell love when he plants Smith on his [profanity deleted] and then pivots to turn up field and find the WR. Seems pretty damn relentless and his closing speed looks unreal!

Yeah, he really improved a lot this year. 2011 he was still a bit small, if you ask me. When I first heard about him, that was one of the first games I watched--Baylor against RG3. That game was good, but if you ask me, I think he really balled out of his mind this year. 

 

Apparently, you can't post more than three YouTube videos or something. Anyway, here you go: the highlights:

 

 

And if you just want the highlights:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUuGUNAIWYw

 

His stats for the game were 5 solo tackles, 3 assists, 8 total, 2 TFL, & 1 INT. Not bad, not great, but I liked what I saw from him--especially with the instincts. 

[Bltravens]

Yeah, he really improved a lot this year. 2011 he was still a bit small, if you ask me. When I first heard about him, that was one of the first games I watched--Baylor against RG3. That game was good, but if you ask me, I think he really balled out of his mind this year.

Apparently, you can't post more than three YouTube videos or something. Anyway, here you go: the highlights:


And if you just want the highlights

His stats for the game were 5 solo tackles, 3 assists, 8 total, 2 TFL, & 1 INT. Not bad, not great, but I liked what I saw from him--especially with the instincts.

We can get 1 TFL out of him every 2 games and he'd be a massive upgrade over anyone we could possibly put in that spot.

I love this pick. I swore off getting jerseys after Lewis and Reed retired/left....but if he plays well the first few weeks and Im satisfied he can hold his own in the NFL, this kid may have swayed my money lol.

[CARavensFan]

This is what I'm focused on. Brown seemed to turn it up in crunch time and I think that level of intensity bodes well for his development in the NFL. As DeCosta said, this is a "foundational" draft. There weren't a lot of dominant college guys, but plenty of guys that could develop into dominant NFL players. I think, with our player development system, Brown will have every opportunity to develop into a great 3-down ILB.

 

Not to mention as well, that Brown originally was going to play at Miami before he transfered to K-State and we know how we like out Miami LBs ;)

[Bltravens]

Don't you dare talk about those missed tackles. When I remarked on it a few months ago, I was called a few words. You would think Arthur Brown is the second coming if you listen to a few people here. He can do no wrong!

 

Bad words like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVscCNZsYSY

[redlobster]

Not to mention as well, that Brown originally was going to play at Miami before he transfered to K-State and we know how we like out Miami LBs ;)

 

 

He did play at Miami then transferred to K-State to be closer to family (although didn't have the success at Miami that he did at KSU), as did his brother Bryce Brown who originally played at Tennesse and was drafted 7th round by the Eagles last year.

[easternshore97]

Bengals pick up Eiffort and we get Arthur Brown. Perhaps that's the new Eddie George v Ray Lewis not that either new school player are equivalent to the old school player...just that the matchup is as melodramatic

[PuRock]

We can get 1 TFL out of him every 2 games and he'd be a massive upgrade over anyone we could possibly put in that spot.

I love this pick.  I swore off getting jerseys after Lewis and Reed retired/left....but if he plays well the first few weeks and Im satisfied he can hold his own in the NFL, this kid may have swayed my money lol.

 

I'm going all in on Brown.  I plan on getting his jersey as soon as I can determine his number and the way his name will show up on his back.

 

I had to retire my Reed Jersey and was struggling as to who I want to get next (and wear until they leave, retire, etc.).   Couldn't really decide on anyone.  But with the drafting of Brown, I'm ready to go.  Sign me up.  Worst case scenario he doesn't pan out and I'll have to fall back on Upshaw or Elam in a few years.  

[Bltravens]

I'm going all in on Brown.  I plan on getting his jersey as soon as I can determine his number and the way his name will show up on his back.

 

I had to retire my Reed Jersey and was struggling as to who I want to get next (and wear until they leave, retire, etc.).   Couldn't really decide on anyone.  But with the drafting of Brown, I'm ready to go.  Sign me up.  Worst case scenario he doesn't pan out and I'll have to fall back on Upshaw or Elam in a few years.  

Upshaw was a great pick too, love his style of play.  I'd get an Upshaw jersey in a second.  He's the kind of player no organization lets go until he has no juice left in his legs.  Selfless player, a pass rusher at Alabama and star, comes in and does the straight dirty work on 1st and 2nd down while Kruger goes out and gets 45mil for playing in the nickel package.  Dude is tough as nails and is a football player.

One thing I'll say for Harbs' input on the draft is since 2008 we've picked up a ton of guys who actually love football in a park ball sense.  Its awesome.

[jdynamite]

I couldn't believe we got 2 of the players I really wanted.

Going into the draft I was hoping that somehow we would get Elam or Cyprien and I also felt like if we could A.Brown or K.Minter I'd be happy with any of those picks.

In recent years the only other time my 2 picks occurred was Jimmy Smith 1st, Torrey Smith 2nd.

[PuRock]

One thing I'll say for Harbs' input on the draft is since 2008 we've picked up a ton of guys who actually love football in a park ball sense.  Its awesome.

 

Yep.  You could really feel Harbs influence in this draft especially.  Winning the SB as head coach officially gave him 'real' pull in terms of FO moves.  

 

Look at all the guys we drafted.  High Character guys w/ motors.  The top names all with leadership qualities.  Then when you get later in the draft.  Gritty football guys who come to play every down.  John Simon, Kyle, Anthony.     

 

I can sense John's pull this year more than ever before and not just in the draft but including guys we've let go or brought in. I'm big Harbs fan and I enjoy the type of players he seeks.  

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Yep.  You could really feel Harbs influence in this draft especially.  Winning the SB as head coach officially gave him 'real' pull in terms of FO moves.  

 

Look at all the guys we drafted.  High Character guys w/ motors.  The top names all with leadership qualities.  Then when you get later in the draft.  Gritty football guys who come to play every down.  John Simon, Kyle, Anthony.     

 

I can sense John's pull this year more than ever before and not just in the draft but including guys we've let go or brought in. I'm big Harbs fan and I enjoy the type of players he seeks.  

 

hear-hear and a big cheer!

[beasy2487]

Yep.  You could really feel Harbs influence in this draft especially.  Winning the SB as head coach officially gave him 'real' pull in terms of FO moves.  

 

Look at all the guys we drafted.  High Character guys w/ motors.  The top names all with leadership qualities.  Then when you get later in the draft.  Gritty football guys who come to play every down.  John Simon, Kyle, Anthony.     

 

I can sense John's pull this year more than ever before and not just in the draft but including guys we've let go or brought in. I'm big Harbs fan and I enjoy the type of players he seeks.  

 

Can't agree more. I love what Harbs has done with this team. I think what he's proved more than anything else is that winning is as much a mentality as it is anything else. Guys with the right mindset elevate in the moment (See: Joe Flacco), whereas guys who are in it for the stardom crumble when the lights get bright (See: Tony Romo).

[GrimCoconut]

The best thing about Brown is how he will help us stop these read-options. He's very good at sniffing out those plays.

[SecretAgentMan]

Lol. I'm not going to chew anyone out. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.



I'm a big fan of Minter. Everyone thinks that just because Brown was my boy he was the only linebacker I liked. I liked Te'o, Minter, Sio Moore & Alonso a lot. I even liked Ogletree, but to a lesser extent. I'm a big fan of Jon Major (hope we get him as an UDFA) & my man Matt Evans. Honestly, I don't mind the criticism. I can take it. Was I a bit too high on Brown? Yeah. I just loved what I saw in him. His leadership, focus, drive, capabilities, coverage skills, run-stopping abilities, personality. He was the whole package, IMO. He didn't have the drama of Te'o, either--not that I dislike Te'o at all.

I don't want people to think that because I loved Arthur Brown meant I disliked any other ILB prospect less. That's not the case. I would've been happy with any of those guys. We just got the guy I liked the best. That's all.

As for 2011, I've watched every game of his since 2011-2012. It was not easy--let me tell you that right now. I had to scourge the Internet to even find all of those games. But I will say, he was much more impressive in 2012 than 2011. He took a big step up this year. So while that's extremely fair to say he missed tackles--I completely agree--he did much better this year than last.

Here, go watch Arthur Brown VS Geno Smith, Tavon Austin & Stedman Bailey. It's a good showing of what you will see from him, I think:

What impressed me is how he handled Tavon when he went over the middle.....

If you can do good vs HIM, you're going to be good in the NFL. Tavon was a man among boys

[CalvinSmoke]

The best thing about Brown is how he will help us stop these read-options. He's very good at sniffing out those plays.

I don't know. Oregon chewed him up a little bit. Upshaw is probably our best defender against the read-option.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know. Oregon chewed him up a little bit. Upshaw is probably our best defender against the read-option.

Not making excuses because he did have a bad game there but he did well against RG3 as a spy. Also, wasn't his shoulder hurt by that game? I can't remember but I think I was.

[CalvinSmoke]

I'm not sure if his shoulder was hurt, so i'll give him that one. 

 

I'm not bagging on the guy of course. I'll check his tape against Baylor

[The Raven]

One thing I've noticed about Brown is his ridiculous ability to make the tackle on perimeter runs. That zone stretch won't do a thing against us with Brown at ILB, and Upshaw, Suggs, and Doom at OLB.

[msufan]

Idk about y'all but I cannot wait until the season starts and we get to see this D in action.

[SecretAgentMan]

One thing I've noticed about Brown is his ridiculous ability to make the tackle on perimeter runs. That zone stretch won't do a thing against us with Brown at ILB, and Upshaw, Suggs, and Doom at OLB.

The one thing I will miss from Ellerbe is the fact that Ellerbe was awesome when blitzing. 

 

I hope Brown can do the same....

 

Back to your quote

Yeah, the run D should improve greatly with him, and his play should be better than Lewis' was last year. He can cover too.

 

 

Quick Question for everyone else though......

Even if Brown pans out, say Ozzie pulls off a trade for a LT this season, and our current WR's pan out.

Also, say CJ Mosley somehow falls to our pick next year.

Do we take another MLB next year if it is the BPA(rhetorical with Ozzie, but I would not mind another MLB next to Brown. I am not a fan of either McClain) and would you like this move?(Yes, IK it is too early. We do not know what our needs are but still)(I need to stop using parentheses)

[sflegend89]

I'm getting more and more exited about this pick. I think Brown and Elam could easily end up being the best players at their respective positions from this draft class. Vaccaro is a solid player but was over-hyped into a top 15 pick, I always had him right there with Elam.. just different play styles. 49ers reached big time on Eric Reid who many had a 2nd round grade on. I hear him get comparisons to Roy Williams, athletic, big hitter, but still wasn't a very good safety at the end of the day. Brown would've been a top 20 pick had he not been wrongfully labeled "undersized". I remember some other LB's that were "undersized" coming out of college... Ray Lewis, Novorro Bowman, London Fletcher just to name a few.

 

What a great draft class, we basically got two 1st round picks this year

[arnie_uk]

I don't know. Oregon chewed him up a little bit. Upshaw is probably our best defender against the read-option.

hes dline was torn to pieces, they got olinemen on him every single play, sometimes he had two on him. They just dominated the LOS, much like our dline got dominated most of last season.

They blitzed him too much as well that game instead of him spying the QB

[The Raven]

The one thing I will miss from Ellerbe is the fact that Ellerbe was awesome when blitzing. 

 

I hope Brown can do the same....

 

Back to your quote

Yeah, the run D should improve greatly with him, and his play should be better than Lewis' was last year. He can cover too.

 

 

Quick Question for everyone else though......

Even if Brown pans out, say Ozzie pulls off a trade for a LT this season, and our current WR's pan out.

Also, say CJ Mosley somehow falls to our pick next year.

Do we take another MLB next year if it is the BPA(rhetorical with Ozzie, but I would not mind another MLB next to Brown. I am not a fan of either McClain) and would you like this move?(Yes, IK it is too early. We do not know what our needs are but still)(I need to stop using parentheses)

 

Brown is a great blitzer.

 

I am definitely not against drafting ILB if it's BPA. 

[arnie_uk]

One thing I've noticed about Brown is his ridiculous ability to make the tackle on perimeter runs. That zone stretch won't do a thing against us with Brown at ILB, and Upshaw, Suggs, and Doom at OLB.

and you shouldn't be able to run up the gut with a front of jones ngata canty, or ngata Williams spears etc etc. If he's kept clean and can just read and react he will amass a heck of a lot of TFL in the run game, his strength though is his coverage ability and athleticism. With him patrolling underneath, Elam floating in the middle and huff deep the middle of the field right the way through should be very hard to complete passes in.

If you can get that first round talent out of jimmy, with Webb hopefully fully healthy picking up where he left of and graham improving, with our pass rush we should have a top 5 defense again.

Any support for joe on offense should put us right back in the mix for a repeat.

[SecretAgentMan]

Brown is a great blitzer.

I am definitely not against drafting ILB if it's BPA.

Mosley and Brown would basically be a no run zone