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No not really...he'd probably just tell you that's hogwash. Like Aaron Rodgers' little brother. Like Skip Bayless.

 

Nobody wants to talk about the real issues, but rather, he doesn't make it to the pro-bowl ever and my personal favorite - he had the 2 worst ever "QBRs" ever since some jabroni invented it. Which means that interceptions must not really affect the measure that much given the 5 interception games of Romo, the multi-4 interception games of Cutler, the multi mult-pick games of Brett Favre, and the numerous horid performances of Mark Sanchez..

 

As a matter of fact, both Bayless and Evans would give the above as reason why Flacco is so God-awful and every and any accoloade attributed to him should be discarded

 

I'm pretty sure during that four game stretch Flacco's average QBR was around 46. Can you believe that?

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[quote name="MrPlankton" post="1461886" timestamp="1367613142"]I'm pretty sure during that four game stretch Flacco's average QBR was around 46. Can you believe that?[/quote] HAAAAaaaaah!!! (Hopefully the mods don't flag my caps) I managed to find a YouTube link of what appears to have been a career day for Heath Evans in terms of touches. It is of course coming against an inferior opponent. Didn't watch the whole thing. I am the 1 guy that disliked the video. http://youtu.be/WdJ79rJ4QXA
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That Super Bowl win really hyped everyone on the team.

Yea honestly Jacoby has no reason at all to be on this list

Just the truth. Absolutely love the guy But He doesn't offer enough on offense to justify being a top 100 player..
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That Super Bowl win really hyped everyone on the team.

 

Specifically guys like Kruger and Ellerbe who were FAs after the season and are no longer with us though.  But I agree with codizzle, Jacoby doesn't do enough offensively to be on this list.  Pollard/Pitta are debatable, but they're both solid players in their own right.

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Do they base the top 100 off of regular season only or postseason too? Because if it' is regular season, Boldin and Flacco will not be as high.

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NFL Network is an OK channel. If I was not such a big NFL fan, I probably would not watch it as much. The 100 best players of 2013 is interesting, but I just keep hearing the echos of a rerun the day before on that channel of The Top Ten Defenses of All Time and seeing the 2000 Ravens defenses being ranked as 7th out of 10. That was ridiculous and made that segment illigitimate since our 2000 defense was probably no worse than #2 all-time.

 

I also tune out that channel quite frequently because of the announcers, too. I am not even going to mention the ones that cannot intelligently discuss the game of football.

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NFL Network is an OK channel. If I was not such a big NFL fan, I probably would not watch it as much. The 100 best players of 2013 is interesting, but I just keep hearing the echos of a rerun the day before on that channel of The Top Ten Defenses of All Time and seeing the 2000 Ravens defenses being ranked as 7th out of 10. That was ridiculous and made that segment illigitimate since our 2000 defense was probably no worse than #2 all-time.

 

I also tune out that channel quite frequently because of the announcers, too. I am not even going to mention the ones that cannot intelligently discuss the game of football.

 

I love the gameday crew - Eisen, Irvin, Faulk, etc but the studio guys i cannot stand - Evans, Sapp, Dukes, etc

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Yea honestly Jacoby has no reason at all to be on this list

Just the truth. Absolutely love the guy But He doesn't offer enough on offense to justify being a top 100 player..

Agreed. That was my initial thought. But I thought it was about Best Players. Jacoby had 3 return TDs while contributing on offense, albeit not a whole lot, but just enough. That's the same reason why Percy Harvin makes the list, because of a broad "skillset"

 

Right?

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I love the gameday crew - Eisen, Irvin, Faulk, etc but the studio guys i cannot stand - Evans, Sapp, Dukes, etc

Yes, right on! Evans, Sapp, and Dukes are all bad!

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Agreed. That was my initial thought. But I thought it was about Best Players. Jacoby had 3 return TDs while contributing on offense, albeit not a whole lot, but just enough. That's the same reason why Percy Harvin makes the list, because of a broad "skillset"
 
Right?

percy harvin was in MVP discussions until he got hurt. Jones isn't even in the same ball park as harvin
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NFL Network is an OK channel. If I was not such a big NFL fan, I probably would not watch it as much. The 100 best players of 2013 is interesting, but I just keep hearing the echos of a rerun the day before on that channel of The Top Ten Defenses of All Time and seeing the 2000 Ravens defenses being ranked as 7th out of 10. That was ridiculous and made that segment illigitimate since our 2000 defense was probably no worse than #2 all-time.
 
I also tune out that channel quite frequently because of the announcers, too. I am not even going to mention the ones that cannot intelligently discuss the game of football.

well that goes without saying, why would you watch a nfl specific channel and not be a fan of it
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Joe got much better when we dumped Harbs choice @ OC.

 

Harbs is the one who fired him Mr. Genius.

 

:rolleyes:

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Do they base the top 100 off of regular season only or postseason too? Because if it' is regular season, Boldin and Flacco will not be as high.

Boldin (#93) already appeared on the list, so I would assume, that the voting was also based on post-season performance.

Flacco probably would go up on the list regardless of the playoffs. The ending of the regular season was rough, but Joe had a couple really stellar games at the begining and in the end came back strong against the Giants after that 3 game losing streak, which send the Ravens to the playoffs again.

The post-season will just send him up the list that much higher. My guess would be somewhere in the 50s.

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percy harvin was in MVP discussions until he got hurt. Jones isn't even in the same ball park as harvin

I totally missed that part of the season

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Agreed. That was my initial thought. But I thought it was about Best Players. Jacoby had 3 return TDs while contributing on offense, albeit not a whole lot, but just enough. That's the same reason why Percy Harvin makes the list, because of a broad "skillset"

Right?

Harvin is the complete package though.. Jacoby had never really developed as a strong WR
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Jacoby probably doesn't deserve to be on the list for being a WR, but as a returner he does.
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Can't believe all of you guys ragging on Jacoby for his peers voting him on this list, sounds like the hacks at NFL.com. One of them was pissing and moaning in the same manner because Harvin was ranked 90th and Jones ranked 88th (and over a 2 rank differential? Give me a break). Jacoby is far from being one of the 100 "best" players in the league in my opinion as well, but I'm pretty sure this list is based on what you have done recently and what you are expected to do the upcoming season in the players' peers' eyes. Players most recent memories of Harvin? Getting injured and demanding a trade because you're a headcase with an inflated sense of self since Brett favre helped you become offensive rookie of the year. Jacoby was a pro bowl return specialist this year and made 3 absolutely massive plays to help our team become world champions. Which do you think caught the attention of their peers better? Harvin may be the more talented player, but Jacoby's clutch genes were on full showcase ALL season, its a no brainer that he cracked the list this year if you look at it objectively. The whole point of this list since its inception a few years a go is the players' opinions, not the pundits and fans playing favorites.

Also, Harvin is not the "total package." He makes his living within ten yards of the LOS. Nothing wrong with that, but I guarantee you if you looked up his catches of 20yds or more (in the air, not counting YAC because that's where he is dangerous, in space and racking up YAC), you would be disappointed in the numbers.
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Harbs is the one who fired him Mr. Genius.
 
:rolleyes:

He was also the one who hired him.

Also, I don't like that some players get highlight reels, and some just get videos of them talking to the fools at NFLN.
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Jacoby probably doesn't deserve to be on the list for being a WR, but as a returner he does.

Right?

Oh noes, an All-Pro returner made the list!

Come on guys.
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If no one objected to Josh Cribbs making it in the past, what is the fuss now?

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Trying to be objective, I would put Torrey behind Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Dex Bryant, A.J. Green, Brandon Marshall, Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Vincent Jackson, Victor Cruz, Demarius Thomas, Michael Crabtree, Jordy Nelson, Wes Welker, Stevie Johnson, and Desean Jackson. That's 19 players right there. So how many of them get left off the list in favor of Torrey? Or do 20 receivers make the list?

 

And that's not even including Antonio Brown, Mike Williams, Jeremy Maclin, Marques Colston, Steve Smith, Santonio Holmes, Sidney Rice, Malcolm Floyd, Brian Hartline, Danny Amendola, Donnie Avery... the list goes on. I don't think Torrey is in the top 30 receivers yet. Even though he beat Champ, it was only on a few plays the entire game. We just have a QB who can take advantage of it. Most receivers could get 1-on-1 separation after 40 yards, but how many QBs actually attempt it?

DeSean, Stevie, Larry, Bowe, and Wallace could all be left off. Larry only due to an absolutely horrendous year. 

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Yea honestly Jacoby has no reason at all to be on this list

Just the truth. Absolutely love the guy But He doesn't offer enough on offense to justify being a top 100 player..

He's the reason we won the Pittsburg game. He's the reason we won in Denver. & He scored TWICE in the SB... Lol
I have to disagree with you bro, he's a game changer
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He's the reason we won the Pittsburg game. He's the reason we won in Denver. & He scored TWICE in the SB... Lol
I have to disagree with you bro, he's a game changer

Alright here we go..

By average, you would need to find 3-4 players per team to put over Jacoby to have him not be on the list. A very easy task if you ask me

Jacoby is a great KR one of the best in the league for sure.. He offers little to the receiving game.

He didn't break 90 yards in a single game last year and only had 35 receptions for under 600 yards for the whole year including the playoffs

Love the guy cause he's a raven and a great player for us but seriously he shouldn't be on this list..
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The problem with the top 100 of 2013 is that aren't you now gueasing who will do well the following seasoon? How can you do this when you're not sure who's drafted? From that standpoint no one should be over or under rated. It should be a top 100 for the previous season and if that's the case Watt or Peterson deserve number 1. To show how bad the voting is people in the league barely seemed to know who Darryl Washington was and he's a beast who had a great season. Off topic I think Arthur Brown could become the type of player he is.
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Alright here we go..
By average, you would need to find 3-4 players per team to put over Jacoby to have him not be on the list. A very easy task if you ask me
Jacoby is a great KR one of the best in the league for sure.. He offers little to the receiving game.
He didn't break 90 yards in a single game last year and only had 35 receptions for under 600 yards for the whole year including the playoffs
Love the guy cause he's a raven and a great player for us but seriously he shouldn't be on this list..

yea, he's not a top 100 player, whereas Percy harvin if he stays fit this year at Seattle, could make a case for being a top 10 guy. He's a game changer.
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Can't believe all of you guys ragging on Jacoby for his peers voting him on this list, sounds like the hacks at NFL.com. One of them was pissing and moaning in the same manner because Harvin was ranked 90th and Jones ranked 88th (and over a 2 rank differential? Give me a break). Jacoby is far from being one of the 100 "best" players in the league in my opinion as well, but I'm pretty sure this list is based on what you have done recently and what you are expected to do the upcoming season in the players' peers' eyes. Players most recent memories of Harvin? Getting injured and demanding a trade because you're a headcase with an inflated sense of self since Brett favre helped you become offensive rookie of the year. Jacoby was a pro bowl return specialist this year and made 3 absolutely massive plays to help our team become world champions. Which do you think caught the attention of their peers better? Harvin may be the more talented player, but Jacoby's clutch genes were on full showcase ALL season, its a no brainer that he cracked the list this year if you look at it objectively. The whole point of this list since its inception a few years a go is the players' opinions, not the pundits and fans playing favorites.
Also, Harvin is not the "total package." He makes his living within ten yards of the LOS. Nothing wrong with that, but I guarantee you if you looked up his catches of 20yds or more (in the air, not counting YAC because that's where he is dangerous, in space and racking up YAC), you would be disappointed in the numbers.

your kind of strengthening his case to be higher here. How many players in the league have that game changing ability with the ball in there's hands to constantly gain yac and go the distance. It's a dying breed especially in wideouts. He has game changing play making ability, get the ball in his hands in screens or quick passes and he can gain 20 yards after the catch. Rare talent, thus should be higher.

Thanks for strengthening that point.
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Alright here we go..

By average, you would need to find 3-4 players per team to put over Jacoby to have him not be on the list. A very easy task if you ask me

Jacoby is a great KR one of the best in the league for sure.. He offers little to the receiving game.

He didn't break 90 yards in a single game last year and only had 35 receptions for under 600 yards for the whole year including the playoffs

Love the guy cause he's a raven and a great player for us but seriously he shouldn't be on this list..

 

But how many players can say that they were a direct reason for their teams win?

I understand what you're saying.. As solely a receiver no he is not a top 100 player but in the return game he led the league in KR average & TDs. 

 

So iMHO he was the best returner in the game last season... I feel that you should have ATLEAST the best player at each position from a year ago on the top 100... right?

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your kind of strengthening his case to be higher here. How many players in the league have that game changing ability with the ball in there's hands to constantly gain yac and go the distance. It's a dying breed especially in wideouts. He has game changing play making ability, get the ball in his hands in screens or quick passes and he can gain 20 yards after the catch. Rare talent, thus should be higher.


Thanks for strengthening that point.


Not sure I get how I strengthened your side by saying Harvin is great at getting YAC, because there are tons of guys who rack up YAC throughout the league on bubble screens, short slants, and curls. My point was you don't send Harvin on a go route up the field or even deep post routes, etc. at least I've never seen him really used that way. Not saying it didn't happen because I certainly have not watched every Viking game over the last 3 years. But a complete receiver is a guy who can take the top off a defense, be fearless on those crossing route, and be a chain mover/short pass catcher, not to mention be willing to chip in with some blocks on run plays. By my count, Harvin fills one of those criteria and just because he is great within those 10yds or so of the LOS doesn't make him one of the best receivers in the league. Even if you wanna key on him being a great guy at gaining YAC, go back to his last full season in '11 (in fairness to objectivity of guys playing most or full amounts of a season) where he averaged 6.5 yds of YAC per reception. Not bad, but when you consider the great Larry Fitzgerald with atrocious QB play managed 6.4 per catch himself, you're not looking as hot. I won't get into RBs because they usually blow all other skill positions in YAC away, but some other receivers who put up more YAC per catch than harvin in '11: Victor Cruz (7.4), Julio Jones (7.9), Gronkowski (7.4), Mike Wallace (6.8), Brent Celek (8.1), Early Doucet (6.7), James Jones (7.6). Even some non-established guys like Arrelious Benn (6.9) beat Harvin in YAC per catch that year. And then you look at another guy who fills an extremely similar role with his team in Randall Cobb and see that he averaged over a yard more of YAC per catch (7.8) that year, you're looking even less like a rare talent.
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Not sure I get how I strengthened your side by saying Harvin is great at getting YAC, because there are tons of guys who rack up YAC throughout the league on bubble screens, short , and curls. My point was you don't send Harvin on a go route up the field or even deep post routes, etc. at least I've never seen him really used that way. Not saying it didn't happen because I certainly have not watched every Viking game over the last 3 years. But a complete receiver is a guy who can take the top off a defense, be fearless on those crossing route, and be a chain mover/short pass catcher, not to mention be willing to chip in with some blocks on run plays. By my count, Harvin fills one of those criteria and just because he is great within those 10yds or so of the LOS doesn't make him one of the best receivers in the league. Even if you wanna key on him being a great guy at gaining YAC, go back to his last full season in '11 (in fairness to objectivity of guys playing most or full amounts of a season) where he averaged 6.5 yds of YAC per reception. Not bad, but when you consider the great Larry Fitzgerald with atrocious QB play managed 6.4 per catch himself, you're not looking as hot. I won't get into RBs because they usually blow all other skill positions in YAC away, but some other receivers who put up more YAC per catch than harvin in '11: Victor Cruz (7.4), Julio Jones (7.9), Gronkowski (7.4), Mike Wallace (6.8), Brent Celek (8.1), Early Doucet (6.7), James Jones (7.6). Even some non-established guys like Arrelious Benn (6.9) beat Harvin in YAC per catch that year. And then you look at another guy who fills an extremely similar role with his team in Randall Cobb and see that he averaged over a yard more of YAC per catch (7.8) that year, you're looking even less like a rare talent.

its not 2011 they are judging its what's expected next season. If he's fit this full season he will be one of the best weapons in all the league.
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its not 2011 they are judging its what's expected next season. If he's fit this full season he will be one of the best weapons in all the league.


Of course its not, you're missing the entire point of the facts I listed and obviously didn't read as to why I looked at '11 since his '12 season was over very prematurely, '11 was a much better sample size. Time will tell friend, who is to say Jacoby Jones doesn't surprise us all this year?
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Of course its not, you're missing the entire point of the facts I listed and obviously didn't read as to why I looked at '11 since his '12 season was over very prematurely, '11 was a much better sample size. Time will tell friend, who is to say Jacoby Jones doesn't surprise us all this year?

he 12 did end prematurely but he was one of the players in MVP talk while he was fit, so I think you totally underestimate his ability. In nine games he had 1347 all purpose yards, that would equate to 2394 for a 16 game season, he had forced 27 missed tackles, which was 1 more than rice had in 20 games.

He had 514 yac in nine games, good for 5th out of all receivers, and that was 9 games. The closet top wr to him was julie jones with a 6.2 yac average compared to harvins 8.7, best in the league. He averaged 35 yards per kick return.

He's the definition of playmaker, he can change the game in one play in multiple ways. He's one of the most explosive players in the league, in more than one way. If he stays fit he may never win MVP award, but he's the player that could set Seattle over the top in the NFC and maybe even the Nfl. Him and wilson will be deadly, but he has to stay fit.

I read why used 2011, but that's pointless because 2011 has no bearing on his ranking whatsoever, if you we're using 2011 Jacobs would be lucky to make a top 300 list let alone 100.

And regard Jacoby I don't think he will just turn it n as a receiver this year after not having much of an impact in any other year of his career. I'd love to be proved wrong because we damn sure need someone to step up at the position.
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He's the definition of playmaker, he can change the game in one play in multiple ways. He's one of the most explosive players in the league, in more than one way. If he stays fit he may never win MVP award, but he's the player that could set Seattle over the top in the NFC and maybe even the Nfl.


All of this could be said of Jacoby except remove the 'cans' and 'ifs' and replace them with 'did' and 'has'.
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All of this could be said of Jacoby except remove the 'cans' and 'ifs' and replace them with 'did' and 'has'.

jacoby doesn't come close to harvins talent. That's not taking away from what he done as a returner, but this conversation was more about that person criticising harvin for not doing much downfield that what Jacoby can or can't do. In fact, I'm defending harvin and it has nothing to do with jones. Only the last paragraph had anything to do with jones.
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The way I look at it is that if Jacoby Jones wasn't a Raven would I still think he deserves to be in the top 100? I don't know. Not saying he does or doesn't deserve to be on the list. Just not sure.
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jacoby doesn't come close to harvins talent. That's not taking away from what he done as a returner, but this conversation was more about that person criticising harvin for not doing much downfield that what Jacoby can or can't do. In fact, I'm defending harvin and it has nothing to do with jones. Only the last paragraph had anything to do with jones.

 

Gotcha but I'm just saying.

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The way I look at it is that if Jacoby Jones wasn't a Raven would I still think he deserves to be in the top 100? I don't know. Not saying he does or doesn't deserve to be on the list. Just not sure.

That is a good way of looking at it. Jacoby is a game changer, but I think it is a stretch to have a ST player in the top 100.
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Gotcha but I'm just saying.

you could counter that by saying if he done more on offence we wouldn't have need the special team touchdowns. Harvin was as much of a threat as a return man as jones, but he offers more a receiver.
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That is a good way of looking at it. Jacoby is a game changer, but I think it is a stretch to have a ST player in the top 100.

why they have Returners on everyone of these lists.
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you could counter that by saying if he done more on offence we wouldn't have need the special team touchdowns. Harvin was as much of a threat as a return man as jones, but he offers more a receiver.

 

That's like holding it against Jones that he excels on ST. Jones can punt return which Harvin can't, or at least hasn't. Durability has a lot to do with Harvin's ranking. Jones played and did, Harvin sat and 'could'.

 

Not related to Harvin or your comments, but if guys like Cribbs and Hester can be on the list (at higher spots than Jones) then what is the issue?

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why they have Returners on everyone of these lists.

I wouldn't put a returner over a guy like Marshall Yanda, one of the best lineman in all of football, but likely doesn't make this list.
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I wouldn't put a returner over a guy like Marshall Yanda, one of the best lineman in all of football, but likely doesn't make this list.

Yanda had more right to be on this list than Anquan Boldin IMO.
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I agree yanda deserves to be on the list. And there are hardly any Olinemen while glamor positions are way overrated.
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Yanda had more right to be on this list than Anquan Boldin IMO.

He even deserves to be higher than Torrey (who is looking like he'll be in the top 70).
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Yanda had more right to be on this list than Anquan Boldin IMO.

 

I would say Anquan Boldin should've been much higher on that list.   

 

Yanda should've been in the top 100, but i highly doubt they'd put a RG on 'top 100' dont you think?

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I would say Anquan Boldin should've been much higher on that list.

Yanda should've been in the top 100, but i highly doubt they'd put a RG on 'top 100' dont you think?

Yanda is a better player than Boldin at this point in their careers. I don't think Boldin was that great. He stepped up in the playoffs but was inconsistent in the regular season.
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