Ravens in NFL Top 100 Players of 2013

[atljbo]

Here is what I don't understand about Falcons fans when this subject comes up, and I'm not necessarily talking about you (you contribute to good discussion and I do hope you stick around). If you bring up Ryan vs. Flacco, and point to Flacco's wins, Falcons fans will say "who cares, wins are a team stat. Ryan's individual stats are better."

Then if you bring up Romo vs. Ryan, the fact that he plays on a comparatively talent-deficient team, and the fact that he has better stats and owns one of the highest regular season passer ratings of all time, Falcons fans will say "who cares about the stats, Romo doesn't win." Which one is it?

And honestly, I don't put much stock in 4th quarter comebacks. Don't play like crap in the 1st-3rd quarters and you won't need a comeback. Isn't one of the 4th quarter comebacks that Oakland game? Yeah, I saw that game, and let me say that that sort of comeback is not at all impressive.

I don't want to hear about turnovers either. Romo has kept his team out of the playoffs with turnovers, and similarly, Ryan has kept his team from advancing further by continuously turning over the ball in the postseason. If he doesn't fumble that snap against SF you all win, I guarantee it.

To me Ryan and Romo and the same guy...baby Peytons. Great for fantasy football but I can't entirely trust them in the clutch. They're both good QBs but that's just how I see it.

 

 

Appreciaite that.... Even tho i think some of your "Matt Ryan hate" can be as equal as some Falcons fan's "Flacco hate" ... I do like good football discussions and you guys have good football discussions.

 

Ok. let me say my opinion then i will say what im not understanding about certain Ravens fans.

 

Let me start with the problem i have with some Raven Fans... The New England game.. Flacco played good enough to win that game... Dude did his thing.. Even tho the Pats D was HORRIBLE that year ill never take that away from a player producing against what he is facing (Something Raven Fans bring up alll day to bring Ryan down) ... Dude was picking on julian edelman (whose really a WR who played slot CB that game) facing Boldin... Thats the smart vet move... Flacco did his job... The guy played good enough to win that game.. He put yall in position to win it ... But lets go back... Flacco did throw an int in that 4th quarter to Brandon Spikes.... If he does not throw that int... Do yall most likely not be in that position.... Yes...

 

My point is not to say Flacco cost yall that game ... He didnt. Did he have a turnover.. Yes but did he do enough for yall to win that game... Yes....

 

Ryan had that bonehead fumble.. I still dont know how it happened... He was peakin to read a blitz and missed the snap... Thats gonna hurt him for a while but Ryan played good enough for us to win... As the QB Ryan has some blame... He is the QB.. But dude did enough for us to win

 

It just seem like as Ravens Fan's.. Some of you guys dont like Ryan so much that you dont objectivly look at it... But you clearly see the big picture with Flacco.. If that Deep pass didnt go yall way vs the Broncos i would be saying the same thing...  I said it last year.. I have nothing against Flacco... I know its different situations,systems, ect.... The guy balled out in the playoffs and got a wing... I wish like hell that was my team but props to the ravens

 

 

Let me start with the Raiders game... If you watch Falcons games... You would see there are way more "We have the lead.. Our D give up the lead... Matt Ryan have a 4th Q comback" ... You name one of the 2 games Ryan had abad game (Raiders and Cards game) .. Those are 2 out of 7 last year.

 

 

Lets start with... I like Romo.. I personally think dude gets a bad wrap alot of the time.. I think he is a top 10 QB.. Romo just have moments during the regular season that cost his team W/L and cost them a chance at the playoff.

 

Im not following you with the same stats.... Romo had more yards but Ryans completion % was higher (highest in the NFL last year) , higher QB rating, more TD's, less ints, and more wins. (Also remember this was under a New OC)

 

 

Thats the first time ive ever heard someone compare Romo and Ryan.... When i go by whose better at QB.. I know every QB is in different situations... So i try to look at stuff like Accuracy ,3rd down completion, completion % , and turnovers (and some other lil things because regarless of your system) ... You need those things .. Things like that because ..

 

But if you want to call Peyton  Manning clone... I will take that .. Peyton is a HOF and one of the best QB's to ever play the game.

 

The one thing i appreciaited about seeing Ed Reed last night because you can tell he is a film buff... Dude stood up for his former QB because Flacco dont get the respect he deserve... At the same time i love how he kept it real and said what he said about Matt Ryan... He see the tape... I have NFL rewind... When im at home from work on weekends and my girl is sleep.. I look at the games over... I appreciaited what he did with one of the worst running games in the NFL (ranked 29th)

[atljbo]

I didn't want to quote your other post because it would make scrolling more difficult but I have something to say about Flacco and Ryan and all that.

People who like Ryan point to how he puts up great individual stats a lot. People who like Flacco point to wins. In reality the truth is both sides are usually biased to a degree with a preset notion. That's the truth. That's why I don't care. It's all opinion. The reality is both guys are terrific players at their position. I'm not sure you can really separate them as much as fans want. The truth is that they're both just very good.

ratedr has a good point. I think people often feel like there had to be a number one and two and unnecessarily see a need to rank players to determine their worth. What's interesting is that people can't recognize that both guys are great. They feel like one must be better than the other. It's like Coke and Pepsi. Their worth sadly can't be so easily quantified.

Both players are great leaders and lead very differently. Ryan had to be the leader who shows he is a leader. Joe had to be the quiet guy who gets it done. One came to a franchise looking for hope and leadership after a scandal rocked it. Another had a well established leader who is seen as the greatest leader of all time in sports. I don't believe Flacco could be the leader with Ray here. He would've looked silly and people would question him and say he was trying to steal the team and it would cause division.

I think both teams got the QB the needed and also the ones they deserved. They're both equally as good

 

Ive said it a million times.. You can go either way with this argument its about what you prefer....But comparing Matt Ryan with Romo... WOW..... its like me comparing Flacco to Romo since you feel Flacco and Ryan are close (ofcourse you prefer Flacco) ..

[GrimCoconut]

Ive said it a million times.. You can go either way with this argument its about what you prefer....But comparing Matt Ryan with Romo... WOW..... its like me comparing Flacco to Romo since you feel Flacco and Ryan are close (ofcourse you prefer Flacco) ..

I wasn't referring to his Romo-Ryan comparison.

[GrimCoconut]

Interesting that we Ravens fans criticize the NFL top 100 for underrating Flacco but have no mention of Ray Rice. Does anyone think he deserves to be as high as he is? I personally don't. He's a terrific player but I don't think he should be at 13.

[ravensdfan]

Interesting that we Ravens fans criticize the NFL top 100 for underrating Flacco but have no mention of Ray Rice. Does anyone think he deserves to be as high as he is? I personally don't. He's a terrific player but I don't think he should be at 13.

 

4th and 29. That had a lot to do with his ranking to be sure.

 

You have to remember that Rice isn't just ranked for his running, but the fact that he is a dual threat. He's a great receiving back as well. He had the most yards from scrimmage in 2011 and was in the Top 10 in 2012.

[GrimCoconut]

4th and 29. That had a lot to do with his ranking to be sure.

You have to remember that Rice isn't just ranked for his running, but the fact that he is a dual threat. He's a great receiving back as well. He had the most yards from scrimmage in 2011 and was in the Top 10 in 2012.

I don't disagree but there's so much to that play.

If Flacco doesn't see him it's all irrelevant. If Boldin doesn't block Weddle he doesn't convert.

I love Rice like the next guy. He's one of my favorite players and a great young man but come on. He's not deserving of 13th. I'm not saying you think he is. Just making my case to the general masses at the double standard we seem to show.

[atljbo]

Interesting that we Ravens fans criticize the NFL top 100 for underrating Flacco but have no mention of Ray Rice. Does anyone think he deserves to be as high as he is? I personally don't. He's a terrific player but I don't think he should be at 13.

 

 

I actually agree with it for muiple reasons.... 1 is hearing the players say he is the 1st thing thry try to stop...... The guy still had over 1500 yards  (running and catching) and thats with Rice sharing carries with Pierce

[hawkprey]

Ray Rice is a great player, but he really does turn in some stinkers in the postseason. Some of that might be Birk's blocking ability wearing down as the season goes on, and some whiffs (McKinnie and Oher) from time to time. He averaged 3.6 ypc in this year's playoffs. 3.9 for his career, with his only good game being against New England in January 2010. He has 6 TDs to 6 fumbles in the postseason, losing all but one of them.

[beanfigger]

Interesting that we Ravens fans criticize the NFL top 100 for underrating Flacco but have no mention of Ray Rice. Does anyone think he deserves to be as high as he is? I personally don't. He's a terrific player but I don't think he should be at 13.

 

I think Rice being rated so high has a direct correlation to Flacco being underrated.  People realize the Ravens are a good team, but they can't bring themselves to give Flacco credit, so they look for someone else to praise.  The most heralded defenders are disappearing, so Ray Rice must be the reason for our success.

[atljbo]

I think Rice being rated so high has a direct correlation to Flacco being underrated.  People realize the Ravens are a good team, but they can't bring themselves to give Flacco credit, so they look for someone else to praise.  The most heralded defenders are disappearing, so Ray Rice must be the reason for our success.

 

 

The guy was in the top 20 so its not total disrespect... RG3 being infront of him is tho.

 

But you heard the defensive players say the guy dont get his full respect but they also said ray rice is the first thing they think of when they are preparing for yall.

 

Its not disrespecting Flacco.. Dude was in the top 20... Its them saying in that system Ray Rice is the guy we must stop first...They could be wrong but thats what they see when they study yall.

[ratedr]

Appreciaite that.... Even tho i think some of your "Matt Ryan hate" can be as equal as some Falcons fan's "Flacco hate" ... I do like good football discussions and you guys have good football discussions.

 

Ok. let me say my opinion then i will say what im not understanding about certain Ravens fans.

 

Let me start with the problem i have with some Raven Fans... The New England game.. Flacco played good enough to win that game... Dude did his thing.. Even tho the Pats D was HORRIBLE that year ill never take that away from a player producing against what he is facing (Something Raven Fans bring up alll day to bring Ryan down) ... Dude was picking on julian edelman (whose really a WR who played slot CB that game) facing Boldin... Thats the smart vet move... Flacco did his job... The guy played good enough to win that game.. He put yall in position to win it ... But lets go back... Flacco did throw an int in that 4th quarter to Brandon Spikes.... If he does not throw that int... Do yall most likely not be in that position.... Yes...

 

My point is not to say Flacco cost yall that game ... He didnt. Did he have a turnover.. Yes but did he do enough for yall to win that game... Yes....

 

Ryan had that bonehead fumble.. I still dont know how it happened... He was peakin to read a blitz and missed the snap... Thats gonna hurt him for a while but Ryan played good enough for us to win... As the QB Ryan has some blame... He is the QB.. But dude did enough for us to win.

 

It just seem like as Ravens Fan's.. Some of you guys dont like Ryan so much that you dont objectivly look at it... But you clearly see the big picture with Flacco.. If that Deep pass didnt go yall way vs the Broncos i would be saying the same thing...  I said it last year.. I have nothing against Flacco... I know its different situations,systems, ect.... The guy balled out in the playoffs and got a wing... I wish like hell that was my team but props to the ravens

 

Yeah, I can't rock with this comparison, especially when Flacco made what should have been the game-winning throw with :22 seconds to go. If Ryan's last pass vs. SF went into the endzone and it was dropped I wouldn't be thinking about that fumble, believe me, just like I wouldn't disregard Flacco's pick if he hadn't essentially thrown a game-winning pass. It's situational anyway. The pick sucked, but Brady ended up throwing it right back to us so in the end it was inconsequential. Against SF, the ATL defense actually held SF scoreless at the end of the game, but in the end that fumble was the difference between needing a TD vs. needing a FG at the end of the game to win (because we know Matty "Ice" Bryant would've made that kick).

 

Let me start with the Raiders game... If you watch Falcons games... You would see there are way more "We have the lead.. Our D give up the lead... Matt Ryan have a 4th Q comback" ... You name one of the 2 games Ryan had abad game (Raiders and Cards game) .. Those are 2 out of 7 last year.

 

 

Lets start with... I like Romo.. I personally think dude gets a bad wrap alot of the time.. I think he is a top 10 QB.. Romo just have moments during the regular season that cost his team W/L and cost them a chance at the playoff.

 

Im not following you with the same stats.... Romo had more yards but Ryans completion % was higher (highest in the NFL last year) , higher QB rating, more TD's, less ints, and more wins. (Also remember this was under a New OC)

 

Thats the first time ive ever heard someone compare Romo and Ryan.... When i go by whose better at QB.. I know every QB is in different situations... So i try to look at stuff like Accuracy ,3rd down completion, completion % , and turnovers (and some other lil things because regarless of your system) ... You need those things .. Things like that because ..

 

For his career, Tony Romo has a better YPA, completion percentage (which I don't really value but I know Falcons fans do, so...), QB rating (one of the best regular season QB ratings of all time) and TD% per attempts (though I'll give Ryan that he has a better INT %). I don't think it's blasphemous to compare them at all. I actually think Romo is a very good QB handcuffed by terrible management, so it's not as if it's implying that Matt Ryan is some sort of scrub. But ultimately I do think the similarities, especially with respect to playoff success, are there. I can't help but think Ryan is a younger Romo with better PR.

 

But if you want to call Peyton  Manning clone... I will take that .. Peyton is a HOF and one of the best QB's to ever play the game.

 

I said baby Peyton, not clone. Let's not get carried away lol.

 

The one thing i appreciaited about seeing Ed Reed last night because you can tell he is a film buff... Dude stood up for his former QB because Flacco dont get the respect he deserve... At the same time i love how he kept it real and said what he said about Matt Ryan... He see the tape... I have NFL rewind... When im at home from work on weekends and my girl is sleep.. I look at the games over... I appreciaited what he did with one of the worst running games in the NFL (ranked 29th)

 

I don't even know what I'm debating (if anything) anymore lol. But I thought it would be rude not to respond.

[ratedr]

I think Rice being rated so high has a direct correlation to Flacco being underrated.  People realize the Ravens are a good team, but they can't bring themselves to give Flacco credit, so they look for someone else to praise.  The most heralded defenders are disappearing, so Ray Rice must be the reason for our success.

Yeah I've noticed people doing this too. Not really with Rice though, it's been happening a lot with Boldin. The same people who say "Flacco sucks during the regular season, he just had one lucky run" ignore that Boldin repeatedly disappeared in the regular season and act as if his postseason play was his consistent level of production. With the way certain people tell it you'd think we traded Jerry Rice in his prime.

[atljbo]

I don't even know what I'm debating (if anything) anymore lol. But I thought it would be rude not to respond.

lol.. Yea... Its over..lol

[atljbo]

Yeah I've noticed people doing this too. Not really with Rice though, it's been happening a lot with Boldin. The same people who say "Flacco sucks during the regular season, he just had one lucky run" ignore that Boldin repeatedly disappeared in the regular season and act as if his postseason play was his consistent level of production. With the way certain people tell it you'd think we traded Jerry Rice in his prime.

 

I have a question about this... Is it Boldin underperformed thru the year or is it during Caldwell take over... He got Joe Cool to start trusting Boldin.

 

Ive been a Boldin fan for a while.. He killed  us in the 2008 playoffs.... We was one of the teams trying to get him when the Cards was trying to trade him.

 

Boldin has never been a big seperation guy... Never... His thing has always been running good route, using his body to get a lil seperation, and being able to go up and get the ball in the air... One of the problems ive had with flacco is that he seem to have to see a guy open before deliverying it.

 

One thing that pissed me off that ppl said (not falcons fan.. Matter fact you may be surprise but alot of falcons fans talked about how they felt the top 100 was disrespectful to flacco.... Its like 6 dudes who does a thread about how Ryan is awesome and Flacco sucks... and yall see that thread and think we just talk about Flacco... Trust me.. Over 95% of falcons fans think Ryan is better but they dont think flacco suck and is tired of the comparison... Its like 6 or 7 ppl that make those threads now)

 

Back to the subject.. What pissed me off is hearing ppl say Flacco just thru the ball up and Boldin went and grabbed it .... Dude.. Brady does that with Gronk, Lawd knows Brees do that with Jimmy Graham,last year Rodgers did that alot with James Jones, Manning did it with BeyBey, and Matt Ryan has done it... What that showed me is that he start trusting Boldin to go up and get it... Not having to wait and see a open guy before throwing it.... Thats Boldin game... Dude is like a TE playing WR... He make those tough tested receptions.. He did that in Arizona with Warner.

[ratedr]

I have a question about this... Is it Boldin underperformed thru the year or is it during Caldwell take over... He got Joe Cool to start trusting Boldin.

 

Ive been a Boldin fan for a while.. He killed  us in the 2008 playoffs.... We was one of the teams trying to get him when the Cards was trying to trade him.

 

Boldin has never been a big seperation guy... Never... His thing has always been running good route, using his body to get a lil seperation, and being able to go up and get the ball in the air... One of the problems ive had with flacco is that he seem to have to see a guy open before deliverying it.

 

One thing that pissed me off that ppl said (not falcons fan.. Matter fact you may be surprise but alot of falcons fans talked about how they felt the top 100 was disrespectful to flacco.... Its like 6 dudes who does a thread about how Ryan is awesome and Flacco sucks... and yall see that thread and think we just talk about Flacco... Trust me.. Over 95% of falcons fans think Ryan is better but they dont think flacco suck and is tired of the comparison... Its like 6 or 7 ppl that make those threads now)

 

Back to the subject.. What pissed me off is hearing ppl say Flacco just thru the ball up and Boldin went and grabbed it .... Dude.. Brady does that with Gronk, Lawd knows Brees do that with Jimmy Graham,last year Rodgers did that alot with James Jones, Manning did it with BeyBey, and Matt Ryan has done it... What that showed me is that he start trusting Boldin to go up and get it... Not having to wait and see a open guy before throwing it.... Thats Boldin game... Dude is like a TE playing WR... He make those tough tested receptions.. He did that in Arizona with Warner.

I just don't see why a Falcons fan would hate Flacco. Let's be honest, the majority of people outside of Baltimore consider Ryan > Flacco. Ravens fans are gonna stick by their QB, so of course they'll think Ryan is overrated. Ryan's has always been the media's "guy" from that draft, be it because of stats, the fact that he's not as dry in interviews, I don't really know. Nobody overrates Flacco. Even that top 100 video (as you mentioned), yeah, it called him a clutch playoff performer (TRUE), but it was prefaced by nitpicking. This is what we contend with. The Lombardi is fantastic and makes us care less than we would otherwise, but it's still a minor nuisance. Kinda like a gnat. Personally I don't care who's better because in the end the goal of a football team is to WIN, not have the best QB, but when Flacco is downed soooo much of course I'll defend him, even at the expense of others sometimes if I'm feeling particularly petty.

 

As for Boldin, you're right to some degree. Cam Cameron was an idiot and refused to used Boldin in the middle of the field. He would always send Boldin deep, despite that my 4 year old nephew could probably beat Boldin on a deep route. He did not set up Boldin for success. Once Caldwell came in, Boldin's production took off on a more consistent basis.

 

That being said, Boldin's problem isn't just the inability to separate (which makes it difficult on Flacco. I'm glad he learned to trust him, but the fact that Boldin got no separation meant the throw had to be damn near perfect). Boldin abused small corners like a bad habit, but he tended to disappear against bigger, more physical corners. Note that Boldin did nothing in the New England game until Talib went out (granted, the game plan became less conservative after Talib left as well, but Talib had him locked down pretty good). Generally teams are very concerned about Torrey beating them deep, which should theoretically open things up for Boldin, but for whatever reason that hasn't always been the case.

 

I saw an interesting analysis a while back, despite being fantasy related, showing that Pitta and Boldin essentially pilfered each other's production - when one had a good game, the other generally had a bad game, as they tended to fill the same slot position. That's why I'm not super duper concerned (maybe duper but not super duper) about the loss of Boldin. I'm confident Pitta - who's probably the most polished route-runner on the team and the pass-catcher who gets separation on the most consistent basis - can fill his role.

[atljbo]

I just don't see why a Falcons fan would hate Flacco. Let's be honest, the majority of people outside of Baltimore consider Ryan > Flacco. Ravens fans are gonna stick by their QB, so of course they'll think Ryan is overrated. Ryan's has always been the media's "guy" from that draft, be it because of stats, the fact that he's not as dry in interviews, I don't really know. Nobody overrates Flacco. Even that top 100 video (as you mentioned), yeah, it called him a clutch playoff performer (TRUE), but it was prefaced by nitpicking. This is what we contend with. The Lombardi is fantastic and makes us care less than we would otherwise, but it's still a minor nuisance. Kinda like a gnat. Personally I don't care who's better because in the end the goal of a football team is to WIN, not have the best QB, but when Flacco is downed soooo much of course I'll defend him, even at the expense of others sometimes if I'm feeling particularly petty.

 

As for Boldin, you're right to some degree. Cam Cameron was an idiot and refused to used Boldin in the middle of the field. He would always send Boldin deep, despite that my 4 year old nephew could probably beat Boldin on a deep route. He did not set up Boldin for success. Once Caldwell came in, Boldin's production took off on a more consistent basis.

 

That being said, Boldin's problem isn't just the inability to separate (which makes it difficult on Flacco. I'm glad he learned to trust him, but the fact that Boldin got no separation meant the throw had to be damn near perfect). Boldin abused small corners like a bad habit, but he tended to disappear against bigger, more physical corners. Note that Boldin did nothing in the New England game until Talib went out (granted, the game plan became less conservative after Talib left as well, but Talib had him locked down pretty good). Generally teams are very concerned about Torrey beating them deep, which should theoretically open things up for Boldin, but for whatever reason that hasn't always been the case.

 

I saw an interesting analysis a while back, despite being fantasy related, showing that Pitta and Boldin essentially pilfered each other's production - when one had a good game, the other generally had a bad game, as they tended to fill the same slot position. That's why I'm not super duper concerned (maybe duper but not super duper) about the loss of Boldin. I'm confident Pitta - who's probably the most polished route-runner on the team and the pass-catcher who gets separation on the most consistent basis - can fill his role.

 

 

Ok.. Lets start with the first part... Honestly speaking.. Most Falcons fans dont hate Flacco ... Its about that "To prove my QB is better then yours. I have to prove yours is not that good" ... Some of you guys do it to.... If a QB is not good ill say it... Flacco is a good QB... Another reason is i guess you guys dont see it but Matt rayn gets critisized also ... Alot.. The guy didnt make the top 100 last year man... AT ALLLLLLLL ... When we lost to the packers.. I can admit it... Ryan didnt have a good game.. Thats all you hear .... But dude.. Greenbay didnt Punt the ball once in that game... Once... But everything falls on Ryan .. But as the leader thats the good and bad.

 

The main reason i think some falcons fans the way they are with FLacco is because not only will the be linked for being in that draft but they also feel Raven fans beat up on Ryan so they beat up on Flacco.

 

The funny thing is recently Ryan said some great things about Flacco... The 2 players dont care one bit.

 

With Boldin... I agree with you about Cam... We had the same problem under Mularkey.. Dude just did not know how to use all his weapons and his QB.

 

Also with Boldin... I agree with your Boldin/Pitta statement... Like i said Boldin is basically a big TE in the slot... He is a good posession guy... The guy was just like 60 yrds away from a 1000 yard receiving year.

 

I also disagree with the throw having to be perfect... Boldin went up and grabbed those 50/50 balls in the playoffs... Thats what dude does.. He did this with the Cards.. He hasnt changed.. Thats his game... He is like a big TE... I wanted my Falcons to trade for him that year because hw ould have been perfect for Mularkey system.. Short timing routes...

 

But yea.. The difference i saw is that in the playoffs Joe trust Boldin to go up there and get it... He did... Thats his game.

[beanfigger]

The guy was in the top 20 so its not total disrespect... RG3 being infront of him is tho.

 

But you heard the defensive players say the guy dont get his full respect but they also said ray rice is the first thing they think of when they are preparing for yall.

 

Its not disrespecting Flacco.. Dude was in the top 20... Its them saying in that system Ray Rice is the guy we must stop first...They could be wrong but thats what they see when they study yall.

 

Yeah, I wasn't necessarily talking about just this list when I say Rice gets overrated because Flacco is underrated.  That's more of a media thing.  However, the fact that the players say he's the first one they have to stop when they prepare for us is kind of what I'm talking about.  That may have been true a couple years ago, but not anymore, and certainly not this upcoming year, which is what this list is supposed to be about.

 

Yeah I've noticed people doing this too. Not really with Rice though, it's been happening a lot with Boldin. The same people who say "Flacco sucks during the regular season, he just had one lucky run" ignore that Boldin repeatedly disappeared in the regular season and act as if his postseason play was his consistent level of production. With the way certain people tell it you'd think we traded Jerry Rice in his prime.

 

Oh yeah, I agree.  I have always liked Boldin, but his lack of separation has really hurt us during his time in Baltimore at times.  He played tremendous during the postseason this year, but that has a lot to do with Flacco's play.  It's not the other way around like so many people seem to think.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

What Caldwell did with Boldin was brilliant.

To compensate for his inability to gain seperation while taking full advantage of Boldin's physicality, Caldwell had Boldin run back shoulder fade after back shoulder fade, over and over (what the idiots and haters keep calling "jump balls")

And the success he and Flacco had with those routes was not only why Boldin played like a beast in the playoffs, but also one of the keys to our winning the Super Bowl.

I do wish we could've kept Boldin and Leach for one more year, but not if it meant losing out on Dumervil, Daryl Smith or any of our other FA acquisitions because they are going to help make our defense dominant again. And I do believe that the young WRs + Juice can step in and rise to the challenge.

This team has a legitinate shot at repeating, and we Ravens fans seem to be the only ones who realize it.

[K-Dog]

where was Ray Lewis on that list last year ?

What was his highest on the list does any one know ?

[beanfigger]

where was Ray Lewis on that list last year ?

What was his highest on the list does any one know ?

 

I'm pretty sure he was ranked like 3 or 4 the first year of the list.  Reed was also in the top five that year, I think.