Ravens in NFL Top 100 Players of 2013

[GrimCoconut]

Last time i did that... It was a 19 page thing.... Not trying to be that guy again... i actually like poppin on you guys board here and there and talkin football... So saying that ill leave that discussion alone

Why? It's your choice. I don't personally hold any hard feelings. You're entitled to your opinions as I am. Just give me a quick run down. You know bullet points.

[berad]

Didnt mean it like that obviously if i said i understand it (Taking Flacco over Ryan) .... It was late and i just got home from the movies with my girl.. I meant its a arguemnt there
 
By a great deal ..... Really... Naw im not going to turn this to a 15 page Ryan vs Flacco thing.. ill just respectfully disagree... But the the guy just winning a SB... Im not trying to argue that.... Im showing the man his respect.

Didn't mean to start any battles, you're a Falcon fan you should stick up for your boy. My bad

[codizzle]

LeSean McCoy should worry about the fact that he can't even outrun Vick in practice.

Yea... Vick is slow and all

[arnie_uk]

Antonio gates would be the first tight end I would remove. He shouldn't be knit, he's old and washed up

[ratedr]

Yea... Vick is slow and all

Hey, it's good to have goals.

[PeRK82]

Flacco better be ahead of RG3 ,

 

thats all i have to say about that subject.

 

 

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GEEZ

[darklight1216]

Flacco better be ahead of RG3 ,

 

thats all i have to say about that subject.

 

 

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GEEZ

Sure, he [I]should[/I] be, but I remember when guys like Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman were rated more highly than Flacco after just their rookie campaigns. "More potential" or something to that effect...

[gabefergy]

Flacco better be ahead of RG3 ,

thats all i have to say about that subject.


Side Note- it has taken me almost 6 months to FINALLY log in. I had to do 12 plus new passwords and for some reason it has finally worked and signed me in.

GEEZ

I hope he is wearing all black in his highlights too :)

[GrimCoconut]

I hope he is wearing all black in his highlights too :)

Look good, play good.

Lol.

[ravensdfan]

Last time i did that... It was a 19 page thing.... Not trying to be that guy again... i actually like poppin on  you guys board here and there and talkin football... So saying that ill leave that discussion alone

 

He's your guy, we get that, but after saying earlier that you rate wins higher than stats, you do kind of need to clarify why you'd take Ryan over Flacco in this moment right now.

 

Let's be clear also, Ryan played one more game than Flacco last season. If Flacco doesn't sit that game 16, he'd have his 4,000 yard season.

 

We have a QB held back by Cam (this season will prove that out, as if the last few games without Cam didn't already do that), the only QB to reach the playoffs every year he's started, the only QB to win a playoff game every year he's started, and the QB with the best road record in the post season in his first 5 years, and a QB who has won more games than ANY ACTIVE QB since 2008, when he joined the league.

 

Then we have Ryan. Who puts up some nice regular season stats, and chokes in the playoffs. Even the game he managed to win this past post season, he tried to give away.

 

yeah, in the here and right now, there is no common sense in taking Ryan over Flacco.

[atljbo]

He's your guy, we get that, but after saying earlier that you rate wins higher than stats, you do kind of need to clarify why you'd take Ryan over Flacco in this moment right now.

 

Let's be clear also, Ryan played one more game than Flacco last season. If Flacco doesn't sit that game 16, he'd have his 4,000 yard season.

 

We have a QB held back by Cam (this season will prove that out, as if the last few games without Cam didn't already do that), the only QB to reach the playoffs every year he's started, the only QB to win a playoff game every year he's started, and the QB with the best road record in the post season in his first 5 years, and a QB who has won more games than ANY ACTIVE QB since 2008, when he joined the league.

 

Then we have Ryan. Who puts up some nice regular season stats, and chokes in the playoffs. Even the game he managed to win this past post season, he tried to give away.

 

yeah, in the here and right now, there is no common sense in taking Ryan over Flacco.

 

Ok.. Yall want this  dicussion ... Ok... Lets start with this... Read this article by Pete Prisco ... For you guys who i heard say "T.J Houshmandzadeh drop that ball" .... Ryan had mutiple of those type situations vs the 49ers.. Roddy Falling (causing an int) and Harry Douglas falling down on a clear TD play if he only keeps his balance.

 

Read the article.. You dont have to be a Ryan fan... You would like this as a football fan....

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22449285/after-further-review-ryan-rewinds-tape-on-final-drive-of-nfc-title-game

 

 

Ok.. Now back to why i prefer Ryan.

 

Ok.. I feel like Matt Ryan is more Accurate... I feel like he has better anticipation/mental knowledge of the game... I feel like Matt Ryan is better on the money down (3rd downs) .. I like his leadership more... He has had to come in from day one and be the leader of our team... During this playoffs, Roddy fell and caused an INT... Roddy and The WR Coach got into it during the game... Ryan broke it up and pulled Roddy aside and told him to get his head in the game.. We need you.... Thats just one of the examples of the leadership he has... PPl just say he has the weapons... But ask the Weapons what Ryan mean to them... How much he has helped then especially Julio... An article came out saying how steven Jackson call Ryan for a hour everyday during the offseason to help him learn the playbook... The guy is a leader

My 2 biggest problems with Matt Ryan in previous years was his deepball accuracy and ryan sometime getting happy feet when pressure come...  Ryan improved his deep ball (According to PFF he was ranked top10 on passes of 20+ yards last year) and being under pressure (He was one of the better QB's also in 2012) ... Obviously his deep ball will never be better then Flaccos but it has greatly improved...


My point is not to say Flacco cant do these things... My point is to show why i prefer Ryan over Flacco... I cant take away from Flacco/ The Ravens success... I never will.. Flacco has did his thing in his system....

Thats my opinion tho and im being objective...  If i felt Flacco was a better overall player like i feel Rodgers (then Ryan) ... Ill admit it...

[hawkprey]

Ok.. Yall want this  dicussion ... Ok... Lets start with this... Read this article by Pete Prisco ... For you guys who i heard say "T.J Houshmandzadeh drop that ball" .... Ryan had mutiple of those type situations vs the 49ers.. Roddy Falling (causing an int) and Harry Douglas falling down on a clear TD play if he only keeps his balance.

 

Read the article.. You dont have to be a Ryan fan... You would like this as a football fan....

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22449285/after-further-review-ryan-rewinds-tape-on-final-drive-of-nfc-title-game

 

 

Ok.. Now back to why i prefer Ryan.

 

Ok.. I feel like Matt Ryan is more Accurate... I feel like he has better anticipation/mental knowledge of the game... I feel like Matt Ryan is better on the money down (3rd downs) .. I like his leadership more... He has had to come in from day one and be the leader of our team... During this playoffs, Roddy fell and caused an INT... Roddy and The WR Coach got into it during the game... Ryan broke it up and pulled Roddy aside and told him to get his head in the game.. We need you.... Thats just one of the examples of the leadership he has... PPl just say he has the weapons... But ask the Weapons what Ryan mean to them... How much he has helped then especially Julio... An article came out saying how steven Jackson call Ryan for a hour everyday during the offseason to help him learn the playbook... The guy is a leader

My 2 biggest problems with Matt Ryan in previous years was his deepball accuracy and ryan sometime getting happy feet when pressure come...  Ryan improved his deep ball (According to PFF he was ranked top10 on passes of 20+ yards last year) and being under pressure (He was one of the better QB's also in 2012) ... Obviously his deep ball will never be better then Flaccos but it has greatly improved...


My point is not to say Flacco cant do these things... My point is to show why i prefer Ryan over Flacco... I cant take away from Flacco/ The Ravens success... I never will.. Flacco has did his thing in his system....

Thats my opinion tho and im being objective...  If i felt Flacco was a better overall player like i feel Rodgers (then Ryan) ... Ill admit it...

Ok, I have to address some of this. And I know this isn't your real point, but it needs addressing.

 

There's too much blame and "woulda's" out there, even from Ravens fans. Drops happen. Players slip. That's part of the game. But for some reason we only want to blame players around the QB when it happens, but fail to give them credit when it doesn't. 

 

Roddy White slips. It happens. That's the risk you run when you throw the ball under coverage and expect the WR to be there to box out the defender. We don't run plays like that, so when Pitta slips 2 plays before the 70 yarder against Denver, the ball isn't intercepted. It's the same mistake, but in the second case, the QB and receiver aren't called upon to perform a task that runs that risk.

 

Lee Evans drops the ball. It happens when you throw the game-winning pass to a receiver who was barely used all year, and he forgets he needs to hold onto the ball as tightly as possible. Kyle Williams fumbles against the Giants. It happens when your offense struggles and forces your punt returner to do as much as he can to get your team good field position. Wes Welker drops a 3rd down pass in the Super Bowl. It happens when it's a high pass and he's used to catching lower ones.

 

The QB has so much influence in the game that it's impossible to say "If X had done Y, we would've won". The QB is part of the reason that play was called, or that defense against the QB was called, or the situation that leads to a play. 

 

In the end it's about doing enough to win or not doing enough. The chance is always there to make up for or complement what's around you.

[atljbo]

Ok, I have to address some of this. And I know this isn't your real point, but it needs addressing.

 

There's too much blame and "woulda's" out there, even from Ravens fans. Drops happen. Players slip. That's part of the game. But for some reason we only want to blame players around the QB when it happens, but fail to give them credit when it doesn't. 

 

Roddy White slips. It happens. That's the risk you run when you throw the ball under coverage and expect the WR to be there to box out the defender. We don't run plays like that, so when Pitta slips 2 plays before the 70 yarder against Denver, the ball isn't intercepted. It's the same mistake, but in the second case, the QB and receiver aren't called upon to perform a task that runs that risk.

 

Lee Evans drops the ball. It happens when you throw the game-winning pass to a receiver who was barely used all year, and he forgets he needs to hold onto the ball as tightly as possible. Kyle Williams fumbles against the Giants. It happens when your offense struggles and forces your punt returner to do as much as he can to get your team good field position. Wes Welker drops a 3rd down pass in the Super Bowl. It happens when it's a high pass and he's used to catching lower ones.

 

The QB has so much influence in the game that it's impossible to say "If X had done Y, we would've won". The QB is part of the reason that play was called, or that defense against the QB was called, or the situation that leads to a play. 

 

In the end it's about doing enough to win or not doing enough. The chance is always there to make up for or complement what's around you.

 

I disagree with Roddy fallin... With timing routes its your responsibility as a WR to be where you have to be because if your not... Your QB is hangin in the wind... Brady runs them, Both Mannings does to (Thats some alaysis excuse some of his ints) ,Bree runs them, and Rodgers... Thats on Roddy.. Thats why the WR coach jumped on him..... Saying that... It didnt happen all year with Roddy so it was just a bad mistake.

 

 

Now i do agree with everything else you said... My point was to get understanding from some on the situation because before yall won it this year... I heard how if Lee Evans caught the ball or T.J dropped the ball yall would have been in the SB... Well Matt Ryan audible to the right play.. If harry Douglas keeps his balance we make it to the SB.

 

Thats the only thing i was trying to say bringin that up.

 

But at the end of the day i agree ... Its about getting the job done... We do make excuses for the at times... But at times we blame them for everything to.... They get all the props and all the blame... Its part of the job.

[hawkprey]

I disagree with Roddy fallin... With timing routes its your responsibility as a WR to be where you have to be because if your not... Your QB is hangin in the wind... Brady runs them, Both Mannings does to (Thats some alaysis excuse some of his ints) ,Bree runs them, and Rodgers... Thats on Roddy.. Thats why the WR coach jumped on him..... Saying that... It didnt happen all year with Roddy so it was just a bad mistake.

 

 

Now i do agree with everything else you said... My point was to get understanding from some on the situation because before yall won it this year... I heard how if Lee Evans caught the ball or T.J dropped the ball yall would have been in the SB... Well Matt Ryan audible to the right play.. If harry Douglas keeps his balance we make it to the SB.

 

Thats the only thing i was trying to say bringin that up.

 

But at the end of the day i agree ... Its about getting the job done... We do make excuses for the at times... But at times we blame them for everything to.... They get all the props and all the blame... Its part of the job.

You're right, but I wasn't trying to blame Ryan for Roddy falling. I'm just saying it comes with the territory. (Territory being that kind of throw.) If you want to reap the benefits of a timing route, you have to take your lumps when the timing gets thrown off. 

 

I wasn't one to blame Evans for the loss, and even I get tired of hearing the "Flacco outplayed Brady" in 2011 thing. As Suggs says "There's getting it done, and there's not getting it done". Flacco didn't come through on his game-winning drive. Brady didn't have a chance at one. That's what happened. Sometimes all you need to win is to be the better QB on the field. Sometimes you just need to come through when it's your chance.  

[atljbo]

You're right, but I wasn't trying to blame Ryan for Roddy falling. I'm just saying it comes with the territory. (Territory being that kind of throw.) If you want to reap the benefits of a timing route, you have to take your lumps when the timing gets thrown off. 

 

I wasn't one to blame Evans for the loss, and even I get tired of hearing the "Flacco outplayed Brady" in 2011 thing. As Suggs says "There's getting it done, and there's not getting it done". Flacco didn't come through on his game-winning drive. Brady didn't have a chance at one. That's what happened. Sometimes all you need to win is to be the better QB on the field. Sometimes you just need to come through when it's your chance.  

 

I agree

[PurpleCorsair]

You're right, but I wasn't trying to blame Ryan for Roddy falling. I'm just saying it comes with the territory. (Territory being that kind of throw.) If you want to reap the benefits of a timing route, you have to take your lumps when the timing gets thrown off. 

 

I wasn't one to blame Evans for the loss, and even I get tired of hearing the "Flacco outplayed Brady" in 2011 thing. As Suggs says "There's getting it done, and there's not getting it done". Flacco didn't come through on his game-winning drive. Brady didn't have a chance at one. That's what happened. Sometimes all you need to win is to be the better QB on the field. Sometimes you just need to come through when it's your chance.  

 

I don't know how you can say Flacco didn't come through on that drive in 2011.  Yes, Evans could've/should've secured the ball better, but the protection was good, and the throw was good. After the ball is out of Joe's hands, well, it's out of his hands.

[H8R]

You're right, but I wasn't trying to blame Ryan for Roddy falling. I'm just saying it comes with the territory. (Territory being that kind of throw.) If you want to reap the benefits of a timing route, you have to take your lumps when the timing gets thrown off.

I wasn't one to blame Evans for the loss, and even I get tired of hearing the "Flacco outplayed Brady" in 2011 thing. As Suggs says "There's getting it done, and there's not getting it done". Flacco didn't come through on his game-winning drive. Brady didn't have a chance at one. That's what happened. Sometimes all you need to win is to be the better QB on the field. Sometimes you just need to come through when it's your chance.

Then... Matt Ryan generally doesn't get it done?

[H8R]

I disagree with Roddy fallin... With timing routes its your responsibility as a WR to be where you have to be because if your not... Your QB is hangin in the wind... Brady runs them, Both Mannings does to (Thats some alaysis excuse some of his ints) ,Bree runs them, and Rodgers... Thats on Roddy.. Thats why the WR coach jumped on him..... Saying that... It didnt happen all year with Roddy so it was just a bad mistake.


Now i do agree with everything else you said... My point was to get understanding from some on the situation because before yall won it this year... I heard how if Lee Evans caught the ball or T.J dropped the ball yall would have been in the SB... Well Matt Ryan audible to the right play.. If harry Douglas keeps his balance we make it to the SB.

Thats the only thing i was trying to say bringin that up.

But at the end of the day i agree ... Its about getting the job done... We do make excuses for the at times... But at times we blame them for everything to.... They get all the props and all the blame... Its part of the job.

Matt Ryan is nothing more then a good regualr season QB. Don't fight it, it's reality. They've had a better team on Offense and defense for 3 years now... Anything to show for it? NOPE.

[flynismo]

I don't know how you can say Flacco didn't come through on that drive in 2011.  Yes, Evans could've/should've secured the ball better, but the protection was good, and the throw was good. After the ball is out of Joe's hands, well, it's out of his hands.

 

Yeah, I dont get it either. I guess instead of making that perfect throw, Flacco should have personally handed it to Evans, then lay out any nearby defenders so as to prevent the strip/deflection. Way to go Flacco, ya jerk

[CARavensFan]

Yeah, I dont get it either. I guess instead of making that perfect throw, Flacco should have personally handed it to Evans, then lay out any nearby defenders so as to prevent the strip/deflection. Way to go Flacco, ya jerk

 

This made me lol

[Moderator 3]

Here we go...should be several Ravens tonight.

[melvinmelon123]

Flacco is number 19

[Moderator 3]

I just said every bad word I know...out loud. Dissed again.

[ratedr]

LOL @ Flacco being behind Ryan and RG3 (especially RG3).

[ratedr]

Reed is #18.

[1/28/01]

Damn....gonna miss Ed!!!!!

[hawkprey]

Way to go Ed and Joe!

[gabefergy]

Flacco >>> Reed, unless we are talking careers here.

[gabefergy]

Anyways, congrats to both Ed and Joe. Both deserving yo be high on this list.

[ratedr]

Looks like Rice is the highest Raven.