Ravens in NFL Top 100 Players of 2013

[GrimCoconut]

Ray Lewis is playing in 2013?!?!? Awesome!

With what team?

[Sizzlebshu]

With what team?

The Sloths

[Sunday QB]

^{Without Lewis, NFL and Guest say all 3 Ravens will be revealed next Thursday. Who ranks higher Flacco or Ryan?}

[GrimCoconut]

^{Without Lewis, NFL and Guest say all 3 Ravens will be revealed next Thursday. Who ranks higher Flacco or Ryan?}

I would guess Ryan. 

[Sunday QB]

That's a crying shame! No way is he better.

[Sunday QB]

I mean really, Super Bowl MVP! No QB should be higher.

[GrimCoconut]

That's a crying shame! No way is he better.

Ryan has had excellent season stats and has done a very good job over a consistent period of time. I'm not diminishing Flacco at all and prefer him to Ryan. With that said, I have to look at it unbiased and I can absolutely see why someone outside would pick Ryan over Flacco, especially if this is a projection for 2013. 

[Sunday QB]

Understood, but my stats are WINS, Playoff WINS and Superbowl WIN. Tied Joe Montana (Best Ever) in Playoffs 11 TD's No interceptions.

[Sunday QB]

Grim, I am looking forward to 2013, very excited about Joe and the defense.

[Thepeas]

Can anyone spout off the Ravens who made the list already?

I got Pitta, Ngata, Jones, and Suggs, but who else? Thanks.

[PolishRifle]

Ryan has had excellent season stats and has done a very good job over a consistent period of time. I'm not diminishing Flacco at all and prefer him to Ryan. With that said, I have to look at it unbiased and I can absolutely see why someone outside would pick Ryan over Flacco, especially if this is a projection for 2013. 

He has the best cast of receivers in the league and plays in the NFC South. Saints, Bucs and the Panthers? Do they even have a defense on the field?

Ryan is a good QB, but that's where all this stat talk frustrates me. Flaccos mediocre stats over the years are far more impressive to me than Ryans great stats, when all that Joe does, is playing against playoff teams and Superbowl contenders during the regular season. It's hard to care about TDs and yards, that were thrown in either garbage time or while playing against nobodies.

[arnie_uk]

Can anyone spout off the Ravens who made the list already?
I got Pitta, Ngata, Jones, and Suggs, but who else? Thanks.

boldin and pollard

[GrimCoconut]

He has the best cast of receivers in the league and plays in the NFC South. Saints, Bucs and the Panthers? Do they even have a defense on the field?
Ryan is a good QB, but that's where all this stat talk frustrates me. Flaccos mediocre stats over the years are far more impressive to me than Ryans great stats, when all that Joe does, is playing against playoff teams and Superbowl contenders during the regular season. It's hard to care about TDs and yards, that were thrown in either garbage time or while playing against nobodies.

I don't disagree with any of that but I can see why others would rate him higher if that does happen. I don't have secret info lol. Hey Joe could be higher than Matt but I just find myself a bit pessimistic.

The thing is that Ryan does have those weapons. Whether those weapons benefit him or he benefits them is debatable but I can't ignore that he puts up those strata.

I agree that I'd rather have Joe. Why do I think Ryan could be rated higher? I think it because Ryan can throw to White and Jones and Gonzalez. Joe has Pitta, Smith and Rice but what does he have outside of those guys? Nothing established that's for sure. That's why I get it even if I disagree.

I love Pitta but I can't put him over Tony even at his age. I love Torrey but I can't put him above Jones right now. Rice is a beast but Matt just got Steven Jackson and he's not a punk or anything. The Falcons have Roddy and he's better than our WR at this moment.

Joe has a better OL and I believe defense but I can't say he has better weapons so that makes Ryan's supporting cast better.

[atljbo]

He has the best cast of receivers in the league and plays in the NFC South. Saints, Bucs and the Panthers? Do they even have a defense on the field?

Ryan is a good QB, but that's where all this stat talk frustrates me. Flaccos mediocre stats over the years are far more impressive to me than Ryans great stats, when all that Joe does, is playing against playoff teams and Superbowl contenders during the regular season. It's hard to care about TDs and yards, that were thrown in either garbage time or while playing against nobodies.

 

I dont get that explanation tho...  Matt Ryan did his thing vs the top 2 Defense in the league during the playoffs... My point is... He can do what he does against nearly every team... 396 passing yard vs the 49ers.... Did his thing vs the Broncos during the season also

 

 

My point is... He put up the same stats vs the top D's in the league... Also.. I can tell you dont watch Falcons games because when we get a big league... We get EXTRA conservative... Just run the ball run the ball when Turner is not the same back.. Thats why Ryan has so many combacks... We will get the league.. Get consertive... The other team will come back then Matt Ryan and Matt Bryan save the day.

 

 

If we put up garbage time points or really went for the kill (Coach Smith has a thing for not wanting to show teams up... Calling offs the dogs when you are down for the count) .. Ryan could have been over 37 TDs and more yards easily during the year

 

I try to be an unbiased falcon fan..... I get if someone prefer Flacco over Ryan and have a legit arguement like the playoff wins and SB even tho i do have my opinions about those knowing ryan's situation....But i get that argument.... The excuses u said just doesnt work... Trust me.. I have falcons and different other teams friends that bring it up to me every week.. They dont think we have a killer instinct because our coach call off the dogs once we get the league... He wont run it up on teams.. They point to that Gaints game.. We could have score 2 more TD's but decided to not run the score up and we took Ryan out in the 4th Q... I can name alot of other examples

[Ravenslifer]

He has the best cast of receivers in the league and plays in the NFC South. Saints, Bucs and the Panthers? Do they even have a defense on the field?

Ryan is a good QB, but that's where all this stat talk frustrates me. Flaccos mediocre stats over the years are far more impressive to me than Ryans great stats, when all that Joe does, is playing against playoff teams and Superbowl contenders during the regular season. It's hard to care about TDs and yards, that were thrown in either garbage time or while playing against nobodies.

 

Agreed, and most of us Ravens fans see that, but casual fans and even most players are still caught up in fantasy numbers.  It's good to see that the Superbowl run has garnered Joe a lot of the respect that I believe he's deserved for a while, but the fact remains that many people will tell you that Ryan, Cam Newton and Andrew Luck are better than Joe for one reason - all have thrown for 4000+ yards in a season, something Joe hasn't done yet.  Heck, a lot of fans in the Philly area where I go to school will still take Vick over Joe.  People assume fantasy numbers are somehow a direct correlation to how good someone is, and those who can put Joe's career in perspective to other quarterbacks over the years i.e. SOS, receiving talent, weather conditions, and most importantly, diversity and design of play-calling, are few and far between.  Joe will be like Eli and Brady in their early careers - he won't get any respect until he wins another title, and even then most people won't understand how good he was, especially in his early years, until his career is over.

[berad]

Flacco's "excuse" of 9 playoff wins, a historically dominant playoff run, and a SB MVP... Matt Ryan's 'stats' and he literally didn't play a cold weather game all year. Wow.

 

If stats matter so much and wins are 'excused', wouldn't Romo be on par - or even better - than Matt Ryan?

 

Since 2011:

Romo: 771/1170 (65.9%), 9087 yds, 7.77 yds/attempt, 59 TDs, 29 INTs, 95.84 QBR

Ryan: 769/1181 (65.1%), 8896 yds, 7.53 yds/attempt, 61 TDs, 26 INTs, 95.78 QBR

 

We all know Romo plays with inferior surrounding talent, too.

[atljbo]

Flacco's "excuse" of 9 playoff wins, a historically dominant playoff run, and a SB MVP... Matt Ryan's 'stats' and he literally didn't play a cold weather game all year. Wow.

 

If stats matter so much and wins are 'excused', wouldn't Romo be on par - or even better - than Matt Ryan?

 

Since 2011:

Romo: 771/1170 (65.9%), 9087 yds, 7.77 yds/attempt, 59 TDs, 29 INTs, 95.84 QBR

Ryan: 769/1181 (65.1%), 8896 yds, 7.53 yds/attempt, 61 TDs, 26 INTs, 95.78 QBR

 

We all know Romo plays with inferior surrounding talent, too.

 

 

I know i mean be off base but was this towards my comments..., Because you took it wayyyyyyyyyyy off base... Wins comes before stats anyday ... IDK how Romo get in this.. I dont think he is a bad QB but he is not with Flacco and Ryan... Stats but no wins....

 

When i say excuse... It has nothing to do with Flacco... Did is doing his thing... I meant the poster i replied to had another excuse why Ryan is either Not as good as some think or Why he did what he did last year.... Taking away from what the man did.

 

It has nothing to do with Flacco.... Like i said.. Its some legit reasons why i understand would understand why some would pick Flacco over Ryan.... Im a die hard Falcons fan but 2 things i try to do is

 

1. When i look at both sides... Really look at both point of views.

 

2. Never take away what a player has done to make another player look better... Both can be good but i prefer one or the other.

 

 

So when i said Excuses.. It had nothing to do with Flacco.... The guy is a very good QB... It had to do with a posters making an excuse why Ryan stats is over rated or something.

[arnie_uk]

Both have the choke gene

[berad]

I know i mean be off base but was this towards my comments..., Because you took it wayyyyyyyyyyy off base... Wins comes before stats anyday ... IDK how Romo get in this.. I dont think he is a bad QB but he is not with Flacco and Ryan... Stats but no wins....

 

When i say excuse... It has nothing to do with Flacco... Did is doing his thing... I meant the poster i replied to had another excuse why Ryan is either Not as good as some think or Why he did what he did last year.... Taking away from what the man did.

 

It has nothing to do with Flacco.... Like i said.. Its some legit reasons why i understand would understand why some would pick Flacco over Ryan.... Im a die hard Falcons fan but 2 things i try to do is

 

1. When i look at both sides... Really look at both point of views.

 

2. Never take away what a player has done to make another player look better... Both can be good but i prefer one or the other.

 

 

So when i said Excuses.. It had nothing to do with Flacco.... The guy is a very good QB... It had to do with a posters making an excuse why Ryan stats is over rated or something.

 

You said:

 

I get if someone prefer Flacco over Ryan and have a legit [b]excuse[/b] like the playoff wins and SB even tho i do have my opinions about those knowing ryan's situation

 

Seemed like a slight to me. Joe Flacco's resume is more impressive than Matt Ryan's to this point in the career, it's not an "excuse". If you didn't mean it like that, so be it, but, to me, Joe Flacco has eclipsed Matt Ryan by a great deal.

[MrPlankton]

I find this interesting: Alex Ovechkin gets ragged on for not showing up in the playoffs and mainly being a regular season hero (he plays against weaker teams in the SE division), yet Peyton Manning gets loads of praise for doing the same thing (plays in the weak AFC West).

[BmoreInBmore]

Some Ravens definitely got helped out tremendously by the postseason. I highly doubt Pollard or Jones makes the list if we had lost to Denver. I do think its quite ridiculous that Jones was ranked higher than Boldin but then again I think Luck was rated far to high.

I was happy to see Pitta there though, in a league with so many talented young tightends Pitta is often overlooked, but he has developed into a great player and its nice to see him recognized for it by his peers.

[ratedr]

I find this interesting: Alex Ovechkin gets ragged on for not showing up in the playoffs and mainly being a regular season hero (he plays against weaker teams in the SE division), yet Peyton Manning gets loads of praise for doing the same thing (plays in the weak AFC West).

It's insane how teflon Peyton is. If any other QB threw that INT in OT they would've been killed. But since it was Peyton the only reason the Broncos lost was because of Rahim Moore. Even Tom Brady doesn't get that kind of pass.

[GrimCoconut]

You said:


Seemed like a slight to me. Joe Flacco's resume is more impressive than Matt Ryan's to this point in the career, it's not an "excuse". If you didn't mean it like that, so be it, but, to me, Joe Flacco has eclipsed Matt Ryan by a great deal.

In my personal opinion here you sound kinda like you're nitpicking. I realize how you came to your conclusion but I think you should've clarified first. I don't think he meant it as a slight to be perfectly honest.

It's hard for another fan to come here and debate Flacco and their own QB because our QB does get his share of disrespect. I don't get the impression that he's one of those inflammatory fans.

[GrimCoconut]

I dont get that explanation tho... Matt Ryan did his thing vs the top 2 Defense in the league during the playoffs... My point is... He can do what he does against nearly every team... 396 passing yard vs the 49ers.... Did his thing vs the Broncos during the season also


My point is... He put up the same stats vs the top D's in the league... Also.. I can tell you dont watch Falcons games because when we get a big league... We get EXTRA conservative... Just run the ball run the ball when Turner is not the same back.. Thats why Ryan has so many combacks... We will get the league.. Get consertive... The other team will come back then Matt Ryan and Matt Bryan save the day.


If we put up garbage time points or really went for the kill (Coach Smith has a thing for not wanting to show teams up... Calling offs the dogs when you are down for the count) .. Ryan could have been over 37 TDs and more yards easily during the year

I try to be an unbiased falcon fan..... I get if someone prefer Flacco over Ryan and have a legit excuse like the playoff wins and SB even tho i do have my opinions about those knowing ryan's situation....But i get that argument.... The excuses u said just doesnt work... Trust me.. I have falcons and different other teams friends that bring it up to me every week.. They dont think we have a killer instinct because our coach call off the dogs once we get the league... He wont run it up on teams.. They point to that Gaints game.. We could have score 2 more TD's but decided to not run the score up and we took Ryan out in the 4th Q... I can name alot of other examples

What makes you feel like Ryan deserves to be above Flacco from a performance perspective on the NFL top 100?

[atljbo]

You said:

 

 

 

Seemed like a slight to me. Joe Flacco's resume is more impressive than Matt Ryan's to this point in the career, it's not an "excuse". If you didn't mean it like that, so be it, but, to me, Joe Flacco has eclipsed Matt Ryan by a great deal.

 

Didnt mean it like that obviously if i said i understand it (Taking Flacco over Ryan) .... It was late and i just got home from the movies with my girl.. I meant its a arguemnt there

 

By a great deal ..... Really... Naw im not going to turn this to a 15 page Ryan vs Flacco thing.. ill just respectfully disagree... But the the guy just winning a SB... Im not trying to argue that.... Im showing the man his respect.

[atljbo]

What makes you feel like Ryan deserves to be above Flacco from a performance perspective on the NFL top 100?

 

Thats the problem... Im not trying to make that arguement.... If Flacco is higher (and he should be) im cool with that ... The guy just won a SB... Show the guy his respect... I can see it going either way.. I like Ryan more as a QB but Flacco is also a good QB.

 

What i was talking about is ppl down playing what Ryan do to make Flacco look good.. SO i have to be this "Matt Ryan" guy on your boards when i actually like this board because yall have good overall football convo's and Ryan and Flacco happens to pop up.

 

Now if we are going by the players... These are Shady McCoys words not mines when they brought up Matt Ryan and Flacco

 

 

 

“I like Romo, actually. I’m a fan of certain players,” McCoy said in his analysis, according to The Dallas Morning News. “I might not like the team, but I’m a fan of certain players. I actually think Romo and Matt make it (over Flacco). But obviously Flacco has to be in there because of the Super Bowl. I would take Matt, and I would take Romo.”

 

 

McCoy believes that having the backing of such a stellar Baltimore Ravens defense has helped Flacco significantly.

 

“As a quarterback, if you don’t feel that pressure of not having a great defense, where if you don’t go out and produce on this drive, the other team may score. Knowing you have that great defense behind you, it’s less pressure so you have to put that into effect,” he said, per the Morning News.

 

 

Now i disagree with him saying he rank Romo over Flacco.... I mean... thats just crazy to me

[ratedr]

LeSean McCoy should worry about the fact that he can't even outrun Vick in practice.

[GrimCoconut]

Thats the problem... Im not trying to make that arguement.... If Flacco is higher (and he should be) im cool with that ... The guy just won a SB... Show the guy his respect... I can see it going either way.. I like Ryan more as a QB but Flacco is also a good QB.

What i was talking about is ppl down playing what Ryan do to make Flacco look good.. SO i have to be this "Matt Ryan" guy on your boards when i actually like this board because yall have good overall football convo's and Ryan and Flacco happens to pop up.

Now if we are going by the players... These are Shady McCoys words not mines when they brought up Matt Ryan and Flacco




Now i disagree with him saying he rank Romo over Flacco.... I mean... thats just crazy to me

No offense but I don't want to discuss the opinion of an analyst or beat writer or anyone in the media or with any actual affiliation to any team. Those tend to be biased and usually they're used in an attempt to substitute someone's opinion over providing that individual's knowledge.

We can have a mini Flacco vs Ryan debate here as it's on subject since one will be over the other.

My question is tell me why you would take Matt Ryan over Joe Flacco. If you would that is.

[atljbo]

Some Ravens definitely got helped out tremendously by the postseason. I highly doubt Pollard or Jones makes the list if we had lost to Denver. I do think its quite ridiculous that Jones was ranked higher than Boldin but then again I think Luck was rated far to high.

I was happy to see Pitta there though, in a league with so many talented young tightends Pitta is often overlooked, but he has developed into a great player and its nice to see him recognized for it by his peers.

Luck and RG3 are to high

 

 

Ok i have a question.. And this is coming from a guy that wanted my Falcons to draft Pitta so i like him.... Jimmy Graham didnt make this list which is nuts and i hate the saints.... What TE would you take off this list to put him on ?

[atljbo]

No offense but I don't want to discuss the opinion of an analyst or beat writer or anyone in the media or with any actual affiliation to any team. Those tend to be biased and usually they're used in an attempt to substitute someone's opinion over providing that individual's knowledge.

We can have a mini Flacco vs Ryan debate here as it's on subject since one will be over the other.

My question is tell me why you would take Matt Ryan over Joe Flacco. If you would that is.

 

Last time i did that... It was a 19 page thing.... Not trying to be that guy again... i actually like poppin on  you guys board here and there and talkin football... So saying that ill leave that discussion alone