2013 53-Man Roster (Pre-Draft)

[Yatagarasu]

I'm making this to find how our 53 man roster is building up for the draft and for the 2013 season. It's subject to change and opinions are welcome. Don't neg the messenger.

Black = Key Players
[color=#008000]Green = Potential Players[/color]
[color=#4b0082]Purple = Possible Positional Draft Selection (12 picks and subject to opinion)[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Red = Bubble Players[/color][color=#ff0000] [/color]


[u][b]QB:[/b][/u](2+[color=#008000]0[/color]+[color=#800080]1[/color]+[color=#ff0000]1[/color])
Joe Flacco
Tyrod Taylor
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Caleb Hanie[/color]

[u][b]RB:[/b][/u](3+[color=#008000]1[/color]+[color=#800080]1[/color]+[color=#ff0000]3[/color])
Ray Rice
Benard Pierce
Vonta Leach
[color=#008000]Anthony Allen[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Damien Berry[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Bobby Rainey[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Lonyae Miller[/color]

[u][b]WR:[/b][/u](2+[color=#008000]2[/color]+[color=#800080]1[/color]+[color=#ff0000]4[/color])
Torrey Smith
Jacoby Jones
[color=#008000]Tandon Doss
David Reed[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Deonte Thompson[/color]
[color=#ff0000]LaQuan Williams[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Tommy Streeter[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Tori Gurley[/color]

[u][b]TE:[/b][/u](2+[color=#008000]0[/color]+[color=#800080]1[/color]+[color=#ff0000]2[/color])
Dennis Pitta
Ed Dickson
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Alex Silvestro[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Steve Watson[/color]

[u][b]OL:[/b][/u](4+[color=#008000]2[/color]+[color=#800080]2[/color]+[color=#ff0000]4[/color])
Michael Oher
Marshal Yanda
Kelechi Osemele
Gino Gradkowski
[color=#008000]Jah Reid[/color]
[color=#008000]Ramon Harewood[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Jack Cornell[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Reggie Stephens[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Antoine McClain[/color]
[color=#ff0000]David Mims[/color]

[u][b]DL:[/b][/u](5+[color=#008000]1[/color]+[color=#800080]1[/color]+[color=#ff0000]2[/color])
Haloti Ngata
Arthur Jones
Chris Canty
Pernell McPhee
Marcus Spears
[color=#008000]DeAngelo Tyson[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Terrence Cody[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Swanson Miller[/color]

[u][b]LB:[/b][/u](3+[color=#008000]4[/color]+[color=#800080]2[/color]+[color=#ff0000]6[/color])
Terrell Suggs
Elvis Dumervil
Courtney Upshaw
[color=#008000]Jameel McClain
Albert McClellan
Rolando McClain
Josh Bynes[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Michael McAdoo[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Bryan Hall[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Adrian Hamilton[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Nigel Carr[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Spencer Adkins[/color]
[color=#ff0000]D.J. Bryant[/color]

[u][b]CB:[/b][/u] (5+[color=#008000]0[/color]+[color=#800080]1[/color]+[color=#ff0000]1[/color])
Lardarius Webb
Jimmy Smith
Corey Graham
Chykie Brown
Asa Jackson
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Chris Johnson[/color]

[u][b]Safety:[/b][/u] (3+[color=#008000]1[/color]+[color=#800080]2[/color]+[color=#ff0000]2[/color])
Michael Huff
James Ihedigbo
Christian Thompson (4 Game Suspension)
[color=#008000]Omar Brown[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#4b0082]2013 Draft Selection[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Emanuel Cook[/color]
[color=#ff0000]Anthony Levine[/color]

[u][b]Special Teams:[/b][/u] (3)
K: Justin Tucker
P: Sam Koch
LS: Morgan Cox

[u][b]Total Players:[/b][/u]

Key Players (Black): 32

[color=#008000]Potential Players (Green): 11[/color]

[color=#ff0000]Borderline Roster Players (Red): 25[/color]

[color=#4b0082]Draft Picks (Currently): 12[/color]

Total Players for Training Camp (Limit: 90 with restrictions): 80 total players

Open Spots for 53 Man Roster (Without Potential): 21 spots

Open Spots for 53 Man Roster (With Potential): 10 spots

[u][b]Conclusion:[/b][/u]
I give Ozzie credit on his Alabama math that he signed 68 players and just enough players that with 12 draft picks, the rookies will maximize the 80 total players to go to training as the 90 player limit has a lot of restrictions. Of course, everything is subject to change with possible trades and UDFA, but Ozzie has a lot of open spots to fill and getting as much talent on the roster to compete for those spots will help make another competitive team for the 2013 season. I slotted a draft selection at every position because the nature of Ozzie's draft method is to pick BPA regardless of need or position. This roster shows a lot of uncertainty and that our front office is probably going to the draft with an open mind and could use all the picks to fill up all the positions and roster.

[jraven22]

I dont think players like Tandon Doss, David Reed, Terrence Cody, and Ramon Harewood are bubble players. Tandon actually got some playing time, Reed got signed to a new deal, Harewood is a valuable back up and Cody is cheap so if he has a good offseason he will be fine.

[rmw10]

I think you have a lot of "guarantees" in the borderline category.

Anthony Allen (Jacoby's lead blocker)
Tandon Doss (doesn't matter how much we like him, the coaches love him)
David Reed (ditto the Doss comment)
Ramon Harewood
DeAngelo Tyson
Rolando McClain (barring he doesn't do anything stupid)
Josh Bynes
Omar Brown (since Thompson is suspended)

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1366403888' post='1438728']
I think you have a lot of "guarantees" in the borderline category.

Anthony Allen (Jacoby's lead blocker)
Tandon Doss (doesn't matter how much we like him, the coaches love him)
David Reed (ditto the Doss comment)
Ramon Harewood
DeAngelo Tyson
Rolando McClain (barring he doesn't do anything stupid)
Josh Bynes
Omar Brown (since Thompson is suspended)
[/quote]

I don't like to call these guys as guarantees because one draft pick could change their position. McClain, Reed, and Harewood all signed very low contracts and they're fighting for a roster spot. Maybe, I'll upgrade Reed to Key Player, but I wasn't sure why the front office signed him to a 2 year more than minimum contract after he got shunned last year.

Allen, Bynes, and Brown all been cut before, but they got a spot for training camp and have to prove their worth.

Doss and Tyson have shown some flash, but haven't shown enough to warrant a guaranteed spot in the future. We parted ways with a 2nd rounder in Sergio Kindle, and Ozzie won't think much on parting ways with lower round picks because that's the nature of the game. However, Ozzie have been very patient with his draftees.

[Blackbirds Rule]

Jameel McClain is probably a bubble player right now

[rmw10]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366404288' post='1438734']
I don't like to call these guys as guarantees because one draft pick could change their position. McClain, Reed, and Harewood all signed very low contracts and they're fighting for a roster spot. Maybe, I'll upgrade Reed to Key Player, but I wasn't sure why the front office signed him to a 2 year more than minimum contract after he got shunned last year.

Allen, Bynes, and Brown all been cut before, but they got a spot for training camp and have to prove their worth.

Doss and Tyson have shown some flash, but haven't shown enough to warrant a guaranteed spot in the future. We parted ways with a 2nd rounder in Sergio kindle, and Ozzie won't think much on parting ways with lower round picks because that's the nature of the game. However, Ozzie have been very patient with his draftees.
[/quote]

"Guarantees" as in there's a really, really good chance they'll make the roster.

Anthony Allen - He's Jacoby's lead blocker. Jacoby loves Allen in front of him. He's a monster on ST. He may not make the team as a RB per se, but he will make the team as a STer.

Omar Brown - This is simply based on the fact that Thompson is suspended. We need some depth there and he's the best out of him, Levine, and Cook.

Josh Bynes - Outside of Jameel (and McClellan to an extent), Bynes is the only existing ILB on this roster. He'll be here. They loved what they got out of him last year.

Tandon Doss - He's guaranteed. He had one bad game last year. Don't write him off.

Ramon Harewood - If the line were to take shape with the guys we have now, Harewood would be starting. I doubt we draft/sign enough people to push him off of the roster.

Rolando McClain - I don't care what Ozzie said in the presser the other day. He's making the team.

David Reed - Think Doss. People write him off, but the team loves him. They like what he can do as a slot receiver while contributing as that ST gunner as well.

DeAngelo Tyson - This is probably the least likely guy out of the "guarantees" but I doubt they risk losing him. Maybe an "IR" situation for him, but they won't cut bait with how well he played last year.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1366404563' post='1438736']
Jameel McClain is probably a bubble player right now
[/quote]

Jameel McClain is going to be a special case. His playing went down after he got his contract. also, the injury didn't help much either. However, he is the only veteran starting ILB we have on the roster since McClellan and Bynes are young and did some spot starts. The team expects him to be healthy and his dead money is $2.4 Million, which is a lot at this point. we just have to play this one out to see where his status is at.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1366404917' post='1438738']
"Guarantees" as in there's a really, really good chance they'll make the roster.

Anthony Allen - He's Jacoby's lead blocker. Jacoby loves Allen in front of him. He's a monster on ST. He may not make the team as a RB per se, but he will make the team as a STer.

Omar Brown - This is simply based on the fact that Thompson is suspended. We need some depth there and he's the best out of him, Levine, and Cook.

Josh Bynes - Outside of Jameel (and McClellan to an extent), Bynes is the only existing ILB on this roster. He'll be here. They loved what they got out of him last year.

Tandon Doss - He's guaranteed. He had one bad game last year. Don't write him off.

Ramon Harewood - If the line were to take shape with the guys we have now, Harewood would be starting. I doubt we draft/sign enough people to push him off of the roster.

Rolando McClain - I don't care what Ozzie said in the presser the other day. He's making the team.

David Reed - Think Doss. People write him off, but the team loves him. They like what he can do as a slot receiver while contributing as that ST gunner as well.

DeAngelo Tyson - This is probably the least likely guy out of the "guarantees" but I doubt they risk losing him. Maybe an "IR" situation for him, but they won't cut bait with how well he played last year.
[/quote]

That's your opinion....

Not mine. I'm just playing it safe and stating the facts that the key players listed have a strong possibility of making the roster as the rest are up for grabs.

[Yatagarasu]

Being a bubble player doesn't mean he is going to get cut.

It means they're going to have to perform well in training camp to warrant a spot.

I know Ozzie like his current WR Corps, but we have to see how they turn out in training camp.

[GrimCoconut]

I doubt we cut any draft picks, but we could. Streeter, Tyson, I think those guys are relatively safe. We just don't typically do it. If we do, we normally get them back anyway.

Allen was different. I think he was cut because we felt like we could stash him. I really don't know if we can stash Streeter. He has potential & we haven't see a thing from him & they say he developed really well.

[Yatagarasu]

Anthony Allen was cut because he played like crap in the last preseason game last year. I remembered everyone saying goodbye to him and on Russell Street Report, they said he was good as gone and they were right. He got cut. Allen was brought back due to the injury wave and provide some special team help. He played well as a special teamer, but I think he has to show more than just a fringe special teamer. Harbuagh might have more patient with special teamers because he strongly believes in special teams. With Ayanbadejo gone, there's a lot of expectation to be filled for the special team.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366405913' post='1438755']
Anthony Allen was cut because he played like crap in the last preseason game last year. I remembered everyone saying goodbye to him and on Russell Street Report, they said he was good as gone and they were right. He got cut. Allen was brought back due to the injury wave and provide some special team help. He played well as a special teamer, but I think he has to show more than just a fringe special teamer. Harbuagh might have more patient with special teamers because he strongly believes in special teams. With Ayanbadejo gone, there's a lot of expectation to be filled for the special team.
[/quote]

Allen was cut because he was easily stashable. Rainey was not. They took a chance on holding Rainey until all of the other teams filled their rosters. We then cut him since no teams had the roster space to claim him. Allen is more than a fringe STer. He was one of the best guys out there, both as a blocker and as a tackler.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366405913' post='1438755']
Anthony Allen was cut because he played like crap in the last preseason game last year. I remembered everyone saying goodbye to him and on Russell Street Report, they said he was good as gone and they were right. He got cut. Allen was brought back due to the injury wave and provide some special team help. He played well as a special teamer, but I think he has to show more than just a fringe special teamer. Harbuagh might have more patient with special teamers because he strongly believes in special teams. With Ayanbadejo gone, there's a lot of expectation to be filled for the special team.
[/quote]
I agree with you here--partially. I think Allen could replace Leach if we cut him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we announce Allen will compete at FB with Leach, or even Damien Berry.

[hawkprey]

I'm glad you made this, because I have good reasons for us to be aggressive in this draft and trade up multiple times in the mid rounds. Take the 35 "near-definites", as you outlined.

Now add Doss, Reed, Thompson, L. Williams, Harewood, Tyson, Cody, R. McClain, Bynes, and Brown. That's 10 guys that either had contributions last year or are likely to make the roster again. Some of them started games.

Now you're at 45. If we go with 3 QBs, add Hanie to 46. And consider that Allen, Rainey, Cornell, Hamilton, Johnson, and Cook would be unfortunate to lose. That's 52. And 52 without spending a single draft pick.

There will be players who start the season on IR or the PUP, and we could go with only 2 QBs and use one pick to replace Koch. It still doesn't give us enough room to keep everyone. So once we get to the 5th round, each guy brought in means we lose a guy like Bobby Rainey or Adrian Hamilton. And it still leaves no room for UDFA's.

We'd be much better off using our non-comp picks to move up and secure the player we want or get the best player possible. We have to think about consolidating the roster.

[Yatagarasu]

Anthony Allen is nice, but he missed his chance last year in Preseason when Pierce was at the training room. Luckily he got another chance, but this might be it, if we daft another RB or FB or whatever H-Back.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1366406754' post='1438784']
I'm glad you made this, because I have good reasons for us to be aggressive in this draft and trade up multiple times in the mid rounds. Take the 35 "near-definites", as you outlined.

Now add Doss, Reed, Thompson, L. Williams, Harewood, Tyson, Cody, R. McClain, Bynes, and Brown. That's 10 guys that either had contributions last year or are likely to make the roster again. Some of them started games.

Now you're at 45. If we go with 3 QBs, add Hanie to 46. And consider that Allen, Rainey, Cornell, Hamilton, Johnson, and Cook would be unfortunate to lose. That's 52. And 52 without spending a single draft pick.

There will be players who start the season on IR or the PUP, and we could go with only 2 QBs and use one pick to replace Koch. It still doesn't give us enough room to keep everyone. So once we get to the 5th round, each guy brought in means we lose a guy like Bobby Rainey or Adrian Hamilton. And it still leaves no room for UDFA's.

We'd be much better off using our non-comp picks to move up and secure the player we want or get the best player possible. We have to think about consolidating the roster.
[/quote]

That's another direction the team could go, but I have a feeling that the team will risk two picks at most and use up the rest for get talent on the roster. This draft is consider very deep that a good chunk of draftable players will fall into UDFA. So having 12 picks gives us a lot of choices and chances to pick on these draftable players.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366406755' post='1438785']
Anthony Allen is nice, but he missed his chance last year in Preseason when Pierce was at the training room. Luckily he got another chance, but this might be it, if we daft another RB or FB or whatever H-Back.
[/quote]

i think you're missing the point on Allen. He may suck as a RB, and I won't dispute that. However, he's one of the best ST guys. Teams don't get rid of guys like that. Ayanbadejo has stuck around the league for 10+ years. He was never a good position player, but he was good on ST. That's the type of guy Allen is. He won't make this team as a RB, even though that's his position on paper. He makes this team as a premier ST guy.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366406994' post='1438790']
That's another direction the team could go, but I have a feeling that the team will risk two picks at most and use up the rest for get talent on the roster. This draft is consider very deep that a good chunk of draftable players will fall into UDFA. So having 12 picks gives us a lot of choices and chances to pick on these draftable players.
[/quote] My goal this draft would be to get as many 2nd-4th round picks as possible.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1366407189' post='1438793']
i think you're missing the point on Allen. He may suck as a RB, and I won't dispute that. However, he's one of the best ST guys. Teams don't get rid of guys like that. Ayanbadejo has stuck around the league for 10+ years. He was never a good position player, but he was good on ST. That's the type of guy Allen is. He won't make this team as a RB, even though that's his position on paper. He makes this team as a premier ST guy.
[/quote]

Maybe that's why Ayanbadejo became expendable.

[easternshore97]

Wow you don't like any of the WRs on the roster?! I think Bynes and Hamilton are probably gonna be better than borderline. I think Tyson will be on the squad for sure...at least he better be after getting his reps in last season. Anthony Allen was at least sprinting with Jacoby on one of his breakaway runs so something has to bode well for him.

It's probably safe to make Caleb Hanie a different color? Unless they part ways with 2 of the WRs you have in red, but then there's thousands of if-then scenarios right?

[Yatagarasu]

The guys in red haven't shown enough to warrant a near-guaranteed spot, but that can change depending on draft, the remaining free agency, and training camp.

Sure, you could say I don't like the WR Corps, but the way I see it, it is up for grabs after Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones.

[Yatagarasu]

With Christian Thompson suspension, our safety seems a bit thin. Omar has shown a lot from last year's preseason and have to show more now that we have holes in the safety position. Michael Huff will man the FS and the SS is up for grabs. Brown has a good chance, but then we aren't so sure.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1366406309' post='1438772']
I agree with you here--partially. I think Allen could replace Leach if we cut him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we announce [b]Allen will compete at FB with Leach, or even Damien Berry[/b].
[/quote] I was think the same thing and Allen played as a fullback before in college but I honestly don't think he's on Leach level atleast not yet .

[Yatagarasu]

Allen is too small to be fullback.

He only weights 223 lbs.

To be an effective full, he needs to gain another 20 lbs.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366411741' post='1438877']
Allen is too small to be fullback.

He only weights 223 lbs.

To be an effective full, he needs to gain another 20 lbs.
[/quote]
I don't know about 20lbs, but he would need about 10-15lbs. Remember, most ILBs are getting smaller to be better in coverage. It wouldn't surprise me if the FBs also get smaller. But who's to say he can't add more weight?

[Yatagarasu]

Roster Analysis:

We're set on QB, OLB, DE, OG RB, and ST.

WR, OT, ILB, S, and NT are all up for grabs

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366453682' post='1439140']
Roster Analysis:

We're set on QB, OLB, DE, OG RB, and ST.

WR, OT, ILB, S, and NT are all up for grabs
[/quote]
I disagree. We could use a QB with Joe's skill set, OLB depth if we get rid of Suggs in 2014 because McAdoo & Hamilton are question marks, DE/DT is also a question mark because Ngata could retire soon & Art Jones is a FA in 2014 & McPhee a FA in 2015. OG, we need help there if we move KO from G to T.

[Yatagarasu]

Basically, I think Ozzie is going draft everything and anything for the team.

Our roster looks a little thin on all positions since we're paying big for Flacco, Suggs, Rice, Webb, Ngata, and Yanda.

Also, we lost a lot of talent through retirement and free agency.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1366411741' post='1438877']
Allen is too small to be fullback.

He only weights 223 lbs.

To be an effective full, he needs to gain another 20 lbs.
[/quote]

Frankly, putting on 20 pounds is a cakewalk for NFL players. With the nutritionists and strength/conditioning coaches they work with, 20 pounds really isn't that big a deal.

The real question is how much speed he may lose from the 20 pounds. Gaining 20 pounds is easy; keeping your conditioning is a different story. Also, last season I read that he bulked up to the 230-235 range.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1366493990' post='1439569']
Frankly, putting on 20 pounds is a cakewalk for NFL players. With the nutritionists and strength/conditioning coaches they work with, 20 pounds really isn't that big a deal.

The real question is how much speed he may lose from the 20 pounds. Gaining 20 pounds is easy; keeping your conditioning is a different story. Also, last season I read that he bulked up to the 230-235 range.
[/quote]

Well he better decide soon because I doubt we'll keep him on the roster as ST only player, if we draft a RB, RB might be the better choice for him