Pernell McPhee switching to OLB

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1366169571' post='1435705']
McPhee showed good burst and speed from the outside his rookie year. He showed good power and quicks playing inside during the playoffs. If he can put it all together, I think he'd make a pretty good rush OLB.
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Though the real question would be if McPhee can drop in coverage, if he can't then the misdirection of the 3-4 loses some of its impact when he is in, opposing defense know that he is going to rush.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1366167232' post='1435679']
Not so much experimenting
They talked about this before all the guys learn and are able to play multiple positions
Its not new this year. Remember Suggs and adalius played both, upshaw did both, ngata is in multiple spots. It is simply what we do, get the best 11 on the filed and have multiple roles for multiple guys.
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Ah, I forgot about that quote from Coach Pees! Good catch. I retract my statement.

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1366170438' post='1435722']
Good god I haven't seen you in a while, where ya been? Or is it that I am usually in fantasy section?
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I've been around. Just not posting nearly as often as I used to.

[flynismo]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1366175403' post='1435767']
I've been around. Just not posting nearly as often as I used to.
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Negged for your neglect!
And how in the world do you still have 50% more posts than me??

[Fred Sanford]

I remember he beat, I guess it was Whitworth, around the edge at the end of that Bengals game his rookie year at the end of their drive to seal the game. He had a great jump and was quicker around the edge than I'd suspected. We're more familiar with him in that Trevor Pryce role, working best as a DT in passing situations. I think him, Canty, Ngata, Art Jones, and even Upshaw are best rushing inside on obvious passing downs, and primarily Dumervil and Suggs off the edge with Upshaw rotating in there too. I'd prefer him inside since guys who can create pressure from the 3 technique are so rare, but what do I know?

[Yatagarasu]

Dean Pees said that he is going to make all the players play multiple positions. That type of cross-training and versatility helps the depth and flexibility of the defense.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

that type of cross platform training also prevents injury , because it means their conditioning needs to be better

[blitzking33]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1366160454' post='1435561']
But he would still be behind Courtney. They are gonna want Suggs and Dumervil out there as much as possible but when they spell one it would be Upshaw coming in for one. I don't see a scenario where both of them would be off the field.
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I can see something like Upshaw at DT, Ngata and Suggs at the 2 ends, then it be Dumervil, McPhee, and the 2 McClains at the ILB.. That's the only way I see all of them go in maybe 3rd and long situations.

[BloodRaven]

Two years ago I had a huge argument with someone on this forum when I said McPhee had OLB potential and ability.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1366201535' post='1435892']
Two years ago I had a huge argument with someone on this forum when I said McPhee had OLB potential and ability.
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Lol, that's funny. He does have the capability for sure.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1366169571' post='1435705']
Ravens seem to be moving to more of a traditional 3-4. Of course they will sttill have the multiple fronts, but just looking at the moves that are being made, it seems the more athletic guys are being pushed to LB. The biggest benefit of a 3-4 is the flexibility at LB. Teams aren't supposed to know who's rushing and who's dropping.

Pees asking his LBs to know all LB positions suggests there will be plenty of movement at LB this year. I think it's well known that Pees like to blitz his DBs. This Defense could resemble the 06' Ravens Defense.

Mcphee showed good burst and speed from the outside his rookie year. He showed good power and quicks playing inside during the playoffs. If he can put it all together, I think he'd make a pretty good rush OLB.
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McPhee as an OLB is actually more of a radical 3-4. Really McPhee should play in a 4-3.

[The Raven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1366201535' post='1435892']
Two years ago I had a huge argument with someone on this forum when I said McPhee had OLB potential and ability.
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And here I am to eat crow! At the time I didn't think it made sense given the depth at OLB. I didn't know if McPhee had the athleticism to do it, but I've changed my mind on that.

I wouldn't call it a huge argument though.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1366207930' post='1435965']


And here I am to eat crow! At the time I didn't think it made sense given the depth at OLB. I didn't know if McPhee had the athleticism to do it, but I've changed my mind on that.

I wouldn't call it a huge argument though.
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McPhee is surprisingly athletic. Still, I like him much better as a DT than an OLB for the sake of the fact that it is so hard to find a DT that can actually apply pressure. It could also reduce his attributes of being able to get those deflections he does well.

Still, I think he could be an absolute beast at OLB/DE. It is surprising. I wonder if we will cut bait with Suggs. Right now, that seems unthinkable. It doesn't make sense, especially with Steve saying Suggs would be the next leader on the defense.

Some crazy (this is crazy, btw) idea I read on another forum where I am unregistered but frequent was where a member suggested the possibility of Suggs moving to MLB. I loled at that idea. That was as funny as Smith to FS. I hope I didn't just give people ideas, though.

Another idea this member suggested was Streeter to TE.

I am going to go and look for the post. It was in one big thread IIRC. It might be a pain to sort.

[The Raven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1366209080' post='1435980']
McPhee is surprisingly athletic. Still, I like him much better as a DT than an OLB for the sake of the fact that it is so hard to find a DT that can actually apply pressure. It could also reduce his attributes of being able to get those deflections he does well.

Still, I think he could be an absolute beast at OLB/DE. It is surprising. I wonder if we will cut bait with Suggs. Right now, that seems unthinkable. It doesn't make sense, especially with Steve saying Suggs would be the next leader on the defense.

Some crazy (this is crazy, btw) idea I read on another forum where I am unregistered but frequent was where a member suggested the possibility of Suggs moving to MLB. I loled at that idea. That was as funny as Smith to FS. I hope I didn't just give people ideas, though.

Another idea this member suggested was Streeter to TE.

I am going to go and look for the post. It was in one big thread IIRC. It might be a pain to sort.
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Suggs could play ILB in a 3-4, I think, but it would not suit his skill set.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1366207930' post='1435965']
And here I am to eat crow! At the time I didn't think it made sense given the depth at OLB. I didn't know if McPhee had the athleticism to do it, but I've changed my mind on that.

I wouldn't call it a huge argument though.
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We did squash it (I almost got banned) and I didn't call you out by name, but it probably doesn't really matter we all have our own opinions and nobody is right or wrong all the time. I was just enjoying being right for once LOL

[The Raven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1366211875' post='1436014']
We did squash it (I almost got banned) and I didn't call you out by name, but it probably doesn't really matter we all have our own opinions and nobody is right or wrong all the time. I was just enjoying being right for once LOL
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Ain't nothin' wrong with that! Haha!

[ClintLB8]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1366165032' post='1435645']
Does this mean we're going to a 4-3? Or at least more 4-3 packages - Canty, Spears, Hall ti ILB, McPhee to OLB.
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I'm not trying to be mean, but how does this post make any sense? If we were moving to a 4-3, we wouldn't move a DT to ILB because a 4-3 requires true sideline to sideline speed and McPhee most certainly wouldn't be switching to a 4-3 OLB at 6-3 280. If he drops about 15 pounds then he could be a 3-4 OLB but even at that size, he wouldn't be a 4-3 OLB with no experience off the ball. If we were to move to a 4-3, Pernell would be the perfect option to play a 4-3 DE opposite Suggs in a rotation with Upshaw and Dumervil.

[ClintLB8]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1366209478' post='1435985']
Suggs could play ILB in a 3-4, I think, but it would not suit his skill set.
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I mean, he might could but you would be taking an elite OLB and turning him into a below average ILB because like you said, I do not think ILB fits his skills at all.

[CalvinSmoke]

I'm not the biggest fan of thise move. I hope it's more so him learning the role for substitutions and audibles a la Upshaw playing DT. Because he's such a rare talent at the 3 technique. But regardless, the Ravens staff knows more football than I ever will.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1366158940' post='1435539']
I thought this was an interesting move. I remember when we did the opposite with Paul Kruger and it was terrible.

I know McPhee didn't live up to his rookie year but from my understanding that was due to an injury. An injury he never really got over. He obviously had a lot of success coming off as a 3-4 DE, I think it is a little too early to tell him to shed weight and play behind suggs or dumervil. I liked the idea of him coming in after Art and Canty stopped the run for the first 2 downs so he could bring some pass rush.

I know the coaches know what they got, they are probably right with the move.

Just found it interesting that they would pull all these position changes AKA Bryan Hall at ILB.

Hopefully it won't be Krugeresque and it will be more JJ esque.
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McPhee is a pass rusher. His size makes it hard to decide where to play him though, but a good coordinator can use a guy like him effectively in his blitz schemes. I don't think we will see McPhee making many plays until we hire Rex Ryan as DC in 2014

[izvoodoo]

I doubt McPhee sees considerable time at OLB. He's still going to be used mainly in our 4-3 pass rushing sets. When he becomes a Free agent he'll be paid handsomely to be a starting 4-3 DE somewhere.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1366229433' post='1436256']
McPhee is a pass rusher. His size makes it hard to decide where to play him though, but a good coordinator can use a guy like him effectively in his blitz schemes. I don't think we will see McPhee making many plays until we hire [b]Rex Ryan as DC in 2014 [/b]
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I'm assuming you're kidding, but even if Pees were to get fired after this season (which he won't) there is 0% chance Rex Ryan will be on John Harbaugh's coaching staff.

[billick]

How much cap space is he eating up ?

Could he he out of a seat when the music stops ?

It's seems he may be low man on the depth chart. I don't think we will be cutting any guys we just signed

[Gordo52]

[quote name='billick' timestamp='1366231422' post='1436286']
How much cap space is he eating up ?

Could he he out of a seat when the music stops ?

It's seems he may be low man on the depth chart. I don't think we will be cutting any guys we just signed
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No no no no no. He's still on his rookie contract so not much, and there's no way we cut him unless he get in trouble or something *knock on wood*.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1366231300' post='1436284']
I'm assuming you're kidding, but even if Pees were to get fired after this season (which he won't) there is 0% chance Rex Ryan will be on John Harbaugh's coaching staff.
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Why? Rex Ryan was fired along with the Billick staff and Harbaugh is the 1 who went out of his way to bring him back, even gave him a greater role on the team as an assistant head coach.

[Ed_Reed20]

Another Intriguing position change.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1366239320' post='1436383']

Why? Rex Ryan was fired along with the Billick staff and Harbaugh is the 1 who went out of his way to bring him back, even gave him a greater role on the team as an assistant head coach.
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Rex just isn't a Harbaugh guy. He's the antithesis of everything John stands for: Humility, blue collar, and disciplined.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Im not really feeling this idea but like what rmw10 said its not a full time thing.Hopefully they dont make him change his body type.Whatever he did leading up to 2011 is what he needs to be doing now.

[Tiz]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1366239320' post='1436383']

Why? Rex Ryan was fired along with the Billick staff and Harbaugh is the 1 who went out of his way to bring him back, even gave him a greater role on the team as an assistant head coach.
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The ahc role doesn't mean he was harbaughs guy
Rex Ryan is a damn good d.c. And of course any first time hc is trying to keep good coaches in place
But it became very clear that bisciotti and Ozzie felt Rex Ryan had the ability to create tur oil in the locker room and that is exactly why he wouldn't be brought back by John, oz, or bisc....plus we have done a great job of pro outing from within and would continue that trend as it has worked well

[redrum52]

This pass rush might challenge 06. Can't wait to see the defense unleashed.

[Gordo52]

As much as I hate to say, Suggs is probably gone after next season. I wonder if this move means we're trying to groom a future situational pass rusher, or perhaps even more.... The day may come where it's Dumervill & Upshaw on the outside and Mcphee comes in like Kruger used to.