Brandon Lloyd?

[rmw10]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1366043923' post='1434134']
or you can do both. if one doesnt pan out, you can switch to lloyd. a-la 'a.j. jenkins(1st rounder of 2012) & randy moss' move of 49ers.
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The issue with getting a draft pick and Lloyd is that it likely pushes someone else off the roster, most likely Deonte Thompson or Tommy Streeter. Would you rather have 1 year of Lloyd or multiple years of Thompson/Streeter?

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1366045401' post='1434150']
The issue with getting a draft pick and Lloyd is that it likely pushes someone else off the roster, most likely Deonte Thompson or Tommy Streeter. Would you rather have 1 year of Lloyd or multiple years of Thompson/Streeter?
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I know what you are saying. if streeter/thompson shows they are capable, they'll have their opportunity to replace lloyd. But right now, the #2 WR spot is a question mark. Have something in place first and then you can take the chances w/ our young receivers. if they don't pan out, you have lloyd.

[The Raven]

Definitely interested in him if he comes cheap. I'm pretty sure that if we were to sign him, it would come after the draft after we find out what we have at the WR position.

What are his skills and flaws as a WR? I'm not the most informed of his ability.

[edreedfromtheu]

Why is WR a need?

You have Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones. Both fit what Flacco does very well.... they get deep and(especially Torrey....) fights for the ball in the air.

Then you have Tandon Doss and LaQuan Williams. Doss has been inconsistent... but he's not really been given a real chance due to injuries his first two years. Williams did EVERYTHING in the preseason... and I was honestly shocked he wasn't active more during the regular season.

I would think that besides QB... WR would be the LAST position anyone would be worrying about.

[The Raven]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1366052002' post='1434203']
Why is WR a need?

You have Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones. Both fit what Flacco does very well.... they get deep and(especially Torrey....) fights for the ball in the air.

Then you have Tandon Doss and LaQuan Williams. Doss has been inconsistent... but he's not really been given a real chance due to injuries his first two years. Williams did EVERYTHING in the preseason... and I was honestly shocked he wasn't active more during the regular season.

I would think that besides QB... WR would be the LAST position anyone would be worrying about.
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Are you kidding me? WR is probably our second biggest need right now. Do you think we have someone who can replace Boldin's production? I see Torrey having an expanded role and taking on some of Boldin's old responsibilities, but we don't have a big, sure handed WR that can fight for the ball, break tackles, and move the chains like Q did.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1366052250' post='1434208']
Are you kidding me? WR is probably our second biggest need right now. Do you think we have someone who can replace Boldin's production? I see Torrey having an expanded role and taking on some of Boldin's old responsibilities, but we don't have a big, sure handed WR that can fight for the ball, break tackles, and move the chains like Q did.
[/quote]

Ummm... and you think that's what Lloyd does?

Just because you lose a certain type of player doesn't mean you automatically have to get that same exact type of player. You ever think that maybe they let Q go because they want more guys like Torrey who can really stretch the field?

I know Boldin got a deep a couple times, (I have no idea how) but I think they wanted to go faster(and obviously younger)

No.... they won't find anyone who will fight a defender for the ball like Q would. But they wouldn't find that if they had their pick of any receiver in the league. That receiver just doesn't exist.

How can you say receiver is more of a need than Safety, offensive tackle, center, and linebacker? Okay, they got Rolando McClain to play with Jameel McClain IF he's healthy. If one of them goes down, wouldn't it be nice to have someone to play linebacker? Gotta have some bodies for depth.

You might not know the names, but at least they have bodies for WR. After the two McClains and Albert McClellan... there's really no linebackers. Safeties... same situation(they have Huff but I think everyone is going to be disappointed when they see him play).

[The Raven]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1366053121' post='1434215']
Ummm... and you think that's what Lloyd does?

Just because you lose a certain type of player doesn't mean you automatically have to get that same exact type of player. You ever think that maybe they let Q go because they want more guys like Torrey who can really stretch the field?

I know Boldin got a deep a couple times, (I have no idea how) but I think they wanted to go faster(and obviously younger)

No.... they won't find anyone who will fight a defender for the ball like Q would. But they wouldn't find that if they had their pick of any receiver in the league. That receiver just doesn't exist.

How can you say receiver is more of a need than Safety, offensive tackle, center, and linebacker? Okay, they got Rolando McClain to play with Jameel McClain IF he's healthy. If one of them goes down, wouldn't it be nice to have someone to play linebacker? Gotta have some bodies for depth.

You might not know the names, but at least they have bodies for WR. After the two McClains and Albert McClellan... there's really no linebackers. Safeties... same situation(they have Huff but I think everyone is going to be disappointed when they see him play).
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Never said Lloyd was that type... Did I? I'll wait.

We do need a player that has a similar skill set to Q. We need a possession receiver that can make contested catches, whether you think so or not. Who do we have on the roster that you would trust to make half the catches Q made? I'll wait.

If WR is not a top need, go ahead and tell me what positions are more important. I'll wait.

Also, we have a TON of bodies at linebacker. Carr, two McClains, Bynes, and two other unknown dudes. Possibily Upshaw as well. Hall will be an ILB. That's eight guys. We need two starting ILBs. Is that not a lot of bodies?

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1366052002' post='1434203']
Why is WR a need?

You have Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones. Both fit what Flacco does very well.... they get deep and(especially Torrey....) fights for the ball in the air.

Then you have Tandon Doss and LaQuan Williams. Doss has been inconsistent... but he's not really been given a real chance due to injuries his first two years. Williams did EVERYTHING in the preseason... and I was honestly shocked he wasn't active more during the regular season.

I would think that besides QB... WR would be the LAST position anyone would be worrying about.
[/quote]
I don't believe we need Lloyd but WR is a need for a number of reasons. While getting younger and faster played a role in Boldin being cut, his cap hit was the far bigger issue. If his cap number was lower, I believe he would have still been on the team. Since that was not the case, he was cut and that leaves a window open for another receiver. You don't give your QB a $120M contract, cut his favorite target, and not give him something else to work with.

Torrey Smith is the only proven legit threat on our team. Jacoby Jones has never panned out as more than a number three option as a receiver and a returner. While it was cool to add him last year because we had Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith ahead of him, asking him to take up a more prominent role could prove to be disappointing. He was infamous for being inconsistent when he was with the Texans and he hasn't shown anything that shows he can be more than that while he was here despite a couple of good playoff games.

Long story short, nearly everything behind Torrey Smith has proven to be inconsistent or unproven. I agree that we don't need Lloyd, I still fully expect us to add another receiver early in the draft which is where I believe we should go.

[Tyler]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1366052002' post='1434203']
Why is WR a need?

You have Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones. Both fit what Flacco does very well.... they get deep and(especially Torrey....) fights for the ball in the air.

Then you have Tandon Doss and LaQuan Williams. Doss has been inconsistent... but he's not really been given a real chance due to injuries his first two years. Williams did EVERYTHING in the preseason... and I was honestly shocked he wasn't active more during the regular season.

I would think that besides QB... WR would be the LAST position anyone would be worrying about.
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Wide receiver is a need. It may not be as big of a priority as LT and MLB, but it is still a need. Boldin was the biggest loss of the off season IMO. Tandon Doss has shown the opposite of what he was known for in college, his strong hands, and if you really think that Laquan or Doss could step in at the number 2 and give the production that Boldin has given this team, you are crazy. Jacoby is not a number 2. You're clouded by the Big plays he had in the post season. He is a number 3 that will give you that home run here and there. He's not a guy you use to move the chains like Pitta and Boldin. Q made so many clutch receptions in traffic. With no Solid number 2, how do you figure Torrey will get the favorable matchups? He needs someone else. I'm all for drafting Hopkins or Kennan Allen, but to say that it isn't a need is just obsurd.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1366053484' post='1434221']
Never said Lloyd was that type... Did I? I'll wait.

We do need a player that has a similar skill set to Q. We need a possession receiver that can make contested catches, whether you think so or not. Who do we have on the roster that you would trust to make half the catches Q made? I'll wait.

If WR is not a top need, go ahead and tell me what positions are more important. I'll wait.

Also, we have a TON of bodies at linebacker. Carr, two McClains, Bynes, and two other unknown dudes. Possibily Upshaw as well. Hall will be an ILB. That's eight guys. We need two starting ILBs. Is that not a lot of bodies?
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You'll wait? Torrey Smith.

You'll wait? Torrey Smith.

Please tell me when Torrey Smith ever catches a ball wiuthout a defender draped all over him? I'll wait! Please tell me how many times Smith had to ho up in the air, and make some amazing catch to bail Flacco out? I'll wait! Did Boldin do that? Sure. But you can't say Smith doesn't do that, and probably even more frequently... his just happen a lot further down the field most times. You can't argue that, can you? I WON'T WAIT because you have no argument. We all know Smith makes some of the most insane contested catches... and if he can't make the catch.... he doesn't let the defender get it.

Your "bodies" for linebacker are more unknown that the receivers I named. And Upshaw is a defensive end that
MIGHT be able to play a hybrid role but it's really just a label. He's more like Suggs than anyone... and Suggs is a defensive end that Rex Ryan moved around a lot so the Ravens could try and pay him less. (Suggs won that argument in arbitration in case you didn't know.)

And you want me to list other positions more important? I already did. So you can keep waiting for that if you want. Receiver is not a need. They Ravens have the "best QB in the game." He should be able to make any receivers good when he's already got a great one to play on one side of the field!

[The Raven]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1366057008' post='1434263']
You'll wait? Torrey Smith.

You'll wait? Torrey Smith.

Please tell me when Torrey Smith ever catches a ball wiuthout a defender draped all over him? I'll wait! Please tell me how many times Smith had to ho up in the air, and make some amazing catch to bail Flacco out? I'll wait! Did Boldin do that? Sure. But you can't say Smith doesn't do that, and probably even more frequently... his just happen a lot further down the field most times. You can't argue that, can you? I WON'T WAIT because you have no argument. We all know Smith makes some of the most insane contested catches... and if he can't make the catch.... he doesn't let the defender get it.

Your "bodies" for linebacker are more unknown that the receivers I named. And Upshaw is a defensive end that
MIGHT be able to play a hybrid role but it's really just a label. He's more like Suggs than anyone... and Suggs is a defensive end that Rex Ryan moved around a lot so the Ravens could try and pay him less. (Suggs won that argument in arbitration in case you didn't know.)

And you want me to list other positions more important? I already did. So you can keep waiting for that if you want. Receiver is not a need. They Ravens have the "best QB in the game." He should be able to make any receivers good when he's already got a great one to play on one side of the field!
[/quote]

Okay, so we have Smith who can make contested catches. Great! We have ONE WR that can be relied on make contested catches and move the chains. That is awesome! WR isn't a need! Makes perfect sense!

Let's talk about your list. Safety and linebacker aren't as important right now. We have proven starters at those spots. We don't know if Torrey can be a number one, and almost everyone doubts Jacoby can be a number two. Offensive tackle is the only need that is more important than wide receiver. Yes, we need a backup center. I am convinced, as are most other people, that Gino will be more than capable as the starting center. However, a backup center can be picked up in free agency after the draft if need be.

Wide receiver is unquestionably our second biggest need after offensive tackle.

[berad]

Never can pass up an underhanded way to bash Flacco

[beanfigger]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1366057008' post='1434263']
You'll wait? Torrey Smith.

You'll wait? Torrey Smith.

Please tell me when Torrey Smith ever catches a ball wiuthout a defender draped all over him? I'll wait! Please tell me how many times Smith had to ho up in the air, and make some amazing catch to bail Flacco out? I'll wait! Did Boldin do that? Sure. But you can't say Smith doesn't do that, and probably even more frequently... his just happen a lot further down the field most times. You can't argue that, can you? I WON'T WAIT because you have no argument. We all know Smith makes some of the most insane contested catches... and if he can't make the catch.... he doesn't let the defender get it.

Your "bodies" for linebacker are more unknown that the receivers I named. And Upshaw is a defensive end that
MIGHT be able to play a hybrid role but it's really just a label. He's more like Suggs than anyone... and Suggs is a defensive end that Rex Ryan moved around a lot so the Ravens could try and pay him less. (Suggs won that argument in arbitration in case you didn't know.)

And you want me to list other positions more important? I already did. So you can keep waiting for that if you want. Receiver is not a need. They Ravens have the "best QB in the game." He should be able to make any receivers good when he's already got a great one to play on one side of the field!
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Every good QB has receivers making great catches in traffic. All of them do. Even the bad QBs have receivers that do that. It happens all the time. Every week. The problem is that there aren't enough times in Ravens games when receivers are open enough to not have to make great catches in traffic. Let's a get a receiver than can beat man coverage on a route to move the chains on 3rd and 7. A wide receiver I mean, not just a TE or RB slipping past a LB. If Joe doesn't have time to wait for Smith or Jones to run behind the defense, they are always completely covered barring a pick route or zone defense. Let's get a guy who runs great routes, gains separation, and gives Joe a better target to throw to when we need to extend drives.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='beanfigger' timestamp='1366058512' post='1434284']
Every good QB has receivers making great catches in traffic. All of them do. Even the bad QBs have receivers that do that. It happens all the time. Every week. The problem is that there aren't enough times in Ravens games when receivers are open enough to not have to make great catches in traffic. Let's a get a receiver than can beat man coverage on a route to move the chains on 3rd and 7. A wide receiver I mean, not just a TE or RB slipping past a LB. If Joe doesn't have time to wait for Smith or Jones to run behind the defense, they are always completely covered barring a pick route or zone defense. Let's get a guy who runs great routes, gains separation, and gives Joe a better target to throw to when we need to extend drives.
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we need Welker kind of player for short yardage; guy that can get opened when needed to and catch ball in traffic....

PS: I wish Boldin is still playing for us.......

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1366057402' post='1434267']
Okay, so we have Smith who can make contested catches. Great! We have ONE WR that can be relied on make contested catches and move the chains. That is awesome! WR isn't a need! Makes perfect sense!

Let's talk about your list. Safety and linebacker aren't as important right now. We have proven starters at those spots. We don't know if Torrey can be a number one, and almost everyone doubts Jacoby can be a number two. Offensive tackle is the only need that is more important than wide receiver. Yes, we need a backup center. I am convinced, as are most other people, that Gino will be more than capable as the starting center. However, a backup center can be picked up in free agency after the draft if need be.

Wide receiver is unquestionably our second biggest need after offensive tackle.
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I think Torrey is a capable #1. I think Jacoby can be a good #2, BUT would rather not risk him as much so he can do good with KR and PR. Which is why I agree.. WR is second most important need. Typical Edreedfromtheu crap

[Brandon22]

Yes that would give Joe Flacco another dynamic weapon and Veteran Leadership

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1366058109' post='1434279']
Never can pass up an underhanded way to bash Flacco
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Worst part is, we won a SB bc of him and he still gets crapped on by his own fans

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1365999438' post='1433879']
For the vet min I won't mind. Just take him out when Flacco needs to be clutch lol
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Lloyd can play, don't snooze.. I like his game a lot.

He's a great route runner and a possession receiver like Q. Not as strong, but he can separate better than Q can

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='TonyTone1192' timestamp='1366081527' post='1434637']
Lloyd can play, don't snooze.. I like his game a lot.

He's a great route runner and a possession receiver like Q. Not as strong, but he can separate better than Q can
[/quote] He drops them when they count

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1366036116' post='1434034']
I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Lloyd, but I'd much rather go for a first or second round receiver.
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We already have young receivers. Smith, Doss, Streeter & Williams. Why take a gamble on another young guy when Lloyd is a proven good possession receiver?

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1366081563' post='1434639']
He drops them when they count
[/quote]

Are you referring to his days in New England?

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1365998909' post='1433875']
If he were to come over for vet. minimum deal. Would you draft a WR to groom him for a year and have Lloyd as a security #2?
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I completely agree. I've liked Lloyds game ever since he was in Denver. He is VERY underrated and clearly unappreciated(new england not utilizing his skills).

He has great hands and he is slippery route runner. I would LOVE for us to take a shot at him, although I don't see us doing it after the Huff and McClain signings

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1366065808' post='1434355']
Worst part is, we won a SB bc of him and he still gets crapped on by his own fans
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edreedfromtheu is not a Flacco fan - he wants a track star at quarterback. He once made a list of "better" quarterbacks than Flacco, and they were the following - Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Michael Vick - notice a common theme here?

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1366082073' post='1434650']
edreedfromtheu is not a Flacco fan - he wants a track star at quarterback. He once made a list of "better" quarterbacks than Flacco, and they were the following - Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Michael Vick - notice a common theme here?
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IK he is not a Flacco fan. Which is why it is typical

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1366082147' post='1434652']
IK he is not a Flacco fan. Which is why it is typical
[/quote]

Just saying, it's impossible to argue with a guy who would take Tim Tebow over Peyton Manning.

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1366058109' post='1434279']
Never can pass up an underhanded way to bash Flacco
[/quote]

by wanting a possession receiver after we've lost one?

[berad]

[quote name='TonyTone1192' timestamp='1366082611' post='1434658']
by wanting a possession receiver after we've lost one?
[/quote]

Not at all, was referring to a certain post(er) that bashes Joe Flacco every chance he gets.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='beanfigger' timestamp='1366058512' post='1434284']
Every good QB has receivers making great catches in traffic. All of them do. Even the bad QBs have receivers that do that. It happens all the time. Every week. The problem is that there aren't enough times in Ravens games when receivers are open enough to not have to make great catches in traffic. Let's a get a receiver than can beat man coverage on a route to move the chains on 3rd and 7. A wide receiver I mean, not just a TE or RB slipping past a LB. If Joe doesn't have time to wait for Smith or Jones to run behind the defense, they are always completely covered barring a pick route or zone defense. Let's get a guy who runs great routes, gains separation, and gives Joe a better target to throw to when we need to extend drives.
[/quote]

Don't try arguing with edreedfromtheu - he dislikes Flacco because Flacco is a pocket passer. All he cares about when it comes to quarterbacks is how well they'd do at a track meet.

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1366082838' post='1434667']
Not at all, was referring to a certain post(er) that bashes Joe Flacco every chance he gets.
[/quote]

gotcha, my bad for the misinterpretation..

Lol can this guy/gal truly call themselves a Ravens fan then? sheesh

[Tyler]

[quote name='TonyTone1192' timestamp='1366083686' post='1434674']


gotcha, my bad for the misinterpretation..

Lol can this guy/gal truly call themselves a Ravens fan then? sheesh
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Some people on here don't realize how much of a treat it is to be a fan of an organization that is as close to perfection as you can get. They take advantage of how consistently good this team is. People that bash Flacco should take a look at Cleveland, Jacksonville, and above all, Oakland as possibilities for their new team if they want something to complain about.