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[rayvenfan_52]

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[b]On NOT re-signing LB Ray Lewis…

I've been a loyal, die-hard Ravens fan since they came to Baltimore, and in being one, I am also a die-hard Ray LewisView his Pro Bowl Bound? Page fan. Sadly enough, I think it's time for Lewis to leave the nest or take a pay-cut. The Ravens will obviously struggle this off-season with the salary cap, especially when having to deal with signing Scott and Suggs, or one of them; both are crucial for the future of the Ravens defense. If Ray's heart is truly with Baltimore and if he truly bleeds black and purple like all of us fans do, he will take a cut and stay.

Glenn Bryden
Hanover, PA[/b]

you cant be a "die-hard" Raven fan and say something like this.

First of all. Ray Lewis hasnt left and was with the team when it started so him, Ogden and Stover are the only players that bleed full black and purple.

and 2nd. Why would someone even say something about someone who has been the heart of our defense for the last 13 years of his career? Unless this dude can magically find someone who can play the way ray ray does and has his leadership then go ahead. If you cant then dont say something about not re-signing the greatest player the Ravens have ever had.

Ray Lewis and Jonathan Ogden are the greatest football players the Baltimore Ravens ever had.

[neepo13]

I love Ray as much as the next person but there is a valid case behind keeping Suggs and Scott, instead of Suggs and Lewis. Lewis is as dominate a player as it gets but giving him a 10 million dollar + bonus at 33 is just not wise and cap wise its not whats best for the team. If he doesnt take the pay cut, its a reality we have to face. Scott is a solid player and because his production is slightly down the last two seasons it would be much cheaper to keep him. We need help on offense if we are going to continue to improve, thats going to cost money. He's also 5 years younger then Ray and we wouldnt have to worry about replacing him as quickly as we would Ray. I dont neccessarily want to go that route but its a very real possibility that is valid in my opinion.

[jfc13]

Nope. Gotta keep Ray. There are intangibles to be considered. Ray is still playing great. I know he may only have 5 years left, but the intangibles he brings to the team is worth the price, in my opinion. It scares me when anyone mentions getting rid of him. I honestly think we would flounder for a while without him. I hope they can reach some kind of agreement that doesn't paralyze the team with the salary cap.

[rayvenfan_52]

Fine then lets not let Ray Lewis play in Baltimore like the Packers did with Favre and watch him take a different team to the playoffs.

[52Kia Kaha92]

Ray Lewis is number one on priority list.

If he leaves it will be the worst day of my life and i dont know if i could get over it.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='95287' date='Nov 26 2008, 11:56 AM']Ray Lewis is number one on priority list.

If he leaves it will be the worst day of my life and i dont know if i could get over it.[/quote]

Ray Lewis was the reason why I became a Raven fan and Ill still be after he goes.

But if he doesnt get re-signed with the team and still has that passion for football Im gonna be disgusted.
Especially if he has to go to another football team just to play football.

A great example would be Favre.

They kept forcing him to make a decision and he didnt go out how he wanted to.

Now Favre plays for the Jets.

[dan21236]

It looks like this article is just a fan stating an opinion and not from ravens castle.
For me personally, I prefer Suggs over Scott and we have a core of young linebackers looking for their chance.

I was listening to a Ray Lewis interview one day . When asked how he got his chance at Miami he simply said injury to the person playing in front of him. Starter got hurt, Ray filled in and the rest is history...

It happens to many players where someone gets hurt the guy that fills in, gets a chance....

How many NFL players got their chance because the guy in front was injured ?
Does Troy Smith vs Joe Flacco ring a bell ?

If Ray is playing well, which he is, I am sure he would restructure his contract before leaving for another team.

[GermanRavensFan]

I dont think that they will not sign him! Baltimore Ravens without Ray Lewis is unimaginable!
He is not just a player! He IS the Baltimore Ravens.

Harbaugh knows that he needs Ray as a leader.
He will not go anywhere!!

[RavensIQ]

Screw cap space it comes down to Bisciotti. If Bisciotti is willing to pay a big fat signing bonus to keep him then it won't matter. Given what he has said publicly and how Ray is playing now, I think Bisciotti will. He knows the importance of Ray Lewis to this franchise and he knows what it means to have a successful team. A player may physically start to slow down but mentally no one does it better than Ray. Ray is a coach in pads and you can't put a price tag on that or all of the intangibles he offers this organization. Bisciotti knows that, Ozzie knows that, we'll see what happens. If we do extend Ray's contract I guarantee you this much, he's gonna have a FAT paycheck after his signature hits the dotted lines.

$40 Million over 4 years = $10 million dollars in cap each year

$40 Million over 4 years w/$20 million dollar signing bonus = $5 mill in cap space each year

$40 Million back ended over 40 years w/$15 million dollar signing bonus =
YR 1. ($4 million) YR 2. ($5 million) YR 3. ($7 million) YR 4. ($9 million)

[neepo13]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='95289' date='Nov 26 2008, 05:03 PM']Ray Lewis was the reason why I became a Raven fan and Ill still be after he goes.

But if he doesnt get re-signed with the team and still has that passion for football Im gonna be disgusted.
Especially if he has to go to another football team just to play football.

A great example would be Favre.

They kept forcing him to make a decision and he didnt go out how he wanted to.

Now Favre plays for the Jets.[/quote]

Forgive me but this comparison is just silly. The impact that a QB has on a team is not the same as one that a MLB has on a team. I think you just pretty much summed up why you dont want to look at this possibility. You are a Ray Lewis first fan. Thats fine. But if the Ravens can keep Suggs, Scott and Brown and bring in help on the offensive side of the ball and depth on the defensive side of the ball and it comes at the expense of Ray, I am all for it. Keeping one player should not be more important then doing whats best to improve the team. If Ray gets greedy and using the money he demands to keep Scott and upgrade the offense, will help this team win games then we need to consider doing it. Bottomline. This organization should not have unwavering loyalty to any player because believe me if we offer him a big deal and another team comes along and doubles it you better believe he will be on the next thing smoking to go sign with the team thats offering him more money. Thats bussiness. Now if you want to keep him because he's still playing at highlevel, fine but this idea that we should just bend over backwards for Ray Lewis just because he's Ray Lewis will hurt this team in the long run.

[rayvenfan_52]

I really dont care how much goes to Ray.

I just want him to be a Raven.

[Sub-Zero]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='95289' date='Nov 26 2008, 02:03 PM']Ray Lewis was the reason why I became a Raven fan and Ill still be after he goes.

But if he doesnt get re-signed with the team and still has that passion for football Im gonna be disgusted.
Especially if he has to go to another football team just to play football.

A great example would be Favre.

They kept forcing him to make a decision and he didnt go out how he wanted to.

Now Favre plays for the Jets.[/quote]
and it was a great long term move for the Packers was it not? Favre retired on his own terms, waited till training camp was over and decides to come back! he brought that all on himself. besides the Packers problem is not at QB, they are putting up points, they just can't prevent them!


now to get back on topic...

no one in their right minds wants to see Ray Ray go. but it's not the end of the world if/when he does. their have been many good/great defenses built without Ray Lewis. And our current defensive schemes don't really require a dominant ILB, just a versatile one.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='neepo13' post='95296' date='Nov 26 2008, 05:26 PM']Forgive me but this comparison is just silly. The impact that a QB has on a team is not the same as one that a MLB has on a team. I think you just pretty much summed up why you dont want to look at this possibility. You are a Ray Lewis first fan. Thats fine. But if the Ravens can keep Suggs, Scott and Brown and bring in help on the offensive side of the ball and depth on the defensive side of the ball and it comes at the expense of Ray, I am all for it. Keeping one player should not be more important then doing whats best to improve the team. If Ray gets greedy and using the money he demands to keep Scott and upgrade the offense, will help this team win games then we need to consider doing it. Bottomline. This organization should not have unwavering loyalty to any player because believe me if we offer him a big deal and another team comes along and doubles it you better believe he will be on the next thing smoking to go sign with the team thats offering him more money. Thats bussiness. Now if you want to keep him because he's still playing at highlevel, fine but this idea that we should just bend over backwards for Ray Lewis just because he's Ray Lewis will hurt this team in the long run.[/quote]

Listen to what you just said...Seriously re-read it over and over again until it sinks in and when it does you can finally kick yourself in the ****** for being so stupid. Not all MLBs are Ray Lewis and to deny his impact for the Baltimore Ravens success is crazy. Do you really believe our defense would be the same without Ray Lewis? Do you really think Bisciotti is gonna ignore the impact Ray Lewis has on the fan base, on ticket prices, on his business, on the game? Ray Lewis goes to another team bcuz the Ravens don't want to pay him will cuz a mass riot and half of Baltimore will go after Bisciotti.

Have you forgotten that Ray Lewis is the greatest linebacker to ever play the game and he DESERVES to be paid. Ray Lewis DESERVES TO BE PAID.

Ray Lewis is one of the best players in the entire league, [b]THE ENTIRE LEAGUE[/b] and you think he has to take a pay cut?? whaaaa???

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='neepo13' post='95296' date='Nov 26 2008, 12:26 PM']Forgive me but this comparison is just silly. The impact that a QB has on a team is not the same as one that a MLB has on a team. I think you just pretty much summed up why you dont want to look at this possibility. You are a Ray Lewis first fan. Thats fine. But if the Ravens can keep Suggs, Scott and Brown and bring in help on the offensive side of the ball and depth on the defensive side of the ball and it comes at the expense of Ray, I am all for it. Keeping one player should not be more important then doing whats best to improve the team. If Ray gets greedy and using the money he demands to keep Scott and upgrade the offense, will help this team win games then we need to consider doing it. Bottomline. This organization should not have unwavering loyalty to any player because believe me if we offer him a big deal and another team comes along and doubles it you better believe he will be on the next thing smoking to go sign with the team thats offering him more money. Thats bussiness. Now if you want to keep him because he's still playing at highlevel, fine but this idea that we should just bend over backwards for Ray Lewis just because he's Ray Lewis will hurt this team in the long run.[/quote]

Yeah you know what.

Your right. Then after he leaves and joins a different team lets hope they dont make it far.

Probably during that time our defense would probably suck.

Then everything would all be on Flacco instead of a good offense with at great defense.

[rayvenfan_52]

Well whoever thinks its gonna be a real good move to not re-sign Ray Lewis then post something somewhere that might catch his attention.

You guys might as well start pushing for the team to bench Ray Lewis.

Might as well be saying....

"START BART SCOTT INSTEAD OF RAY LEWIS."

That way we can see how good our defense is without Ray.

Then while were at it lets keep Ray Lewis away from the team.
Since we wont be needing him lets keep his intensity to himself.
Its gonna be no use since were not gonna re-sign.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='95287' date='Nov 26 2008, 04:56 PM']Ray Lewis is number one on priority list.

If he leaves it will be the worst day of my life and i dont know if i could get over it.[/quote]



As much as I probablly SHOULDNT say this, if he leaves.. I feel like I'd have to go to his next team with him. Ray is what turned me onto football. I love his passion on and off the feild. HE IS THE BALTIMORE RAVENS. PAY THE MAN WHAT HE WANTS. I'd MUCH rather watch SUGGS leave then Ray, he is the reason our defense remains dominant and comes back from bad losses and wins. He doesnt just dominante physically but emotionally as well. You can't honestly expect ray to take a pay cut. It is a bussiness and we can't judge him on wanting to make sure he gets the money he deserves.

[neepo13]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='95300' date='Nov 26 2008, 05:35 PM']Listen to what you just said...Seriously re-read over and over again until it sinks in and when it finally does you can kick yourself in the ****** for being so stupid. Not all MLBs are Ray Lewis and to deny his impact for the Baltimore Ravens success is crazy. Do you really believe our defense would be the same without Ray Lewis? Do you really think Bisciotti is gonna ignore the impact Ray Lewis has on the fan base, on ticket prices, on his business. Ray Lewis goes to another team bcuz the Ravens don't want to pay him will cuz a mass riot and half of Baltimore will go after Bisciotti.

Have you forgotten that Ray Lewis is the greatest linebacker to ever play the game and he DESERVES to be paid. Ray Lewis DESERVES TO BE PAID.

Ray Lewis is one of the best players in the entire league, [b]THE ENTIRE LEAGUE[/b] and you think he has to take a pay cut?? whaaaa???[/quote]

LMAO. Way to overreact and add words to my post RavensIQ, I dont expect anything different from you. Let me break this down for you, so you can understand READ SLOWLY because I am not repeating this again. Ray Lewis is a great player for our defense BUT he is not the entire defense. We still have the players to have a top 10 defense without Ray Lewis. Does he make the players on our D better? Yes, but how many times have people on this very board complained about the defense having to carry our team? They do it all the damn time, we've even seen it this season. The money that we may have to spend to match a contract that another team might offer Ray Lewis, we could probably sure up several positions on our offense, add depth to our defense, and still have money to keep Scott, who is solid not Ray Lewis but solid, and Suggs. Lets see how high your IQ really it is what sounds like a better team? 1) Having good depth on defense, Suggs, Scott, Brown,an offensive playmaker, and players that can sure up our offense or 2) Ray Lewis, Suggs, hopefully Brown, and maybe some offensive rejects from another team? If you choose option 2, well then prepare for this team to be stuck in mediocrity with no balance and no depth like it has been for most of this decade. My point is because you cant have your cake and eat it to. If this team can use the money that it has to pay Ray Lewis to sure up other positions on this team, so that it can become a balanced team that can win games on offense or defense and have depth so that we are not dependent on star players and injuries, which people here also complain about dont affect us so much, then they need to do it. Thats the formula that the New York Giants use, the formula that the Pittsburgh Steelers use, the formula that the New England Patriots use, and its also a characteristic that every team that sustains championship contention over a long period of time has.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='neepo13' post='95307' date='Nov 26 2008, 01:55 PM']LMAO. Way to overreact and add words to my post RavensIQ, I dont expect anything different from you. Let me break this down for you, so you can understand READ SLOWLY because I am not repeating this again. Ray Lewis is a great player for our defense BUT he is not the entire defense. We still have the players to have a top 10 defense without Ray Lewis. Does he make the players on our D better? Yes, but how many times have people on this very board complained about the defense having to carry our team? They do it all the damn time, we've even seen it this season. The money that we may have to spend to match a contract that another team might offer Ray Lewis, we could probably sure up several positions on our offense, add depth to our defense, and still have money to keep Scott, who is solid not Ray Lewis but solid, and Suggs. Lets see how high your IQ really it is what sounds like a better team? 1) Having good depth on defense, Suggs, Scott, Brown,an offensive playmaker, and players that can sure up our offense or 2) Ray Lewis, Suggs, hopefully Brown, and maybe some offensive rejects from another team? If you choose option 2, well then prepare for this team to be stuck in mediocrity with no balance and no depth like it has been for most of this decade. My point is because you cant have your cake and eat it to. If this team can use the money that it has to pay Ray Lewis to sure up other positions on this team, so that it can become a balanced team that can win games on offense or defense and have depth so that we are not dependent on star players and injuries, which people here also complain about dont affect us so much, then they need to do it. Thats the formula that the New York Giants use, the formula that the Pittsburgh Steelers use, the formula that the New England Patriots use, and its also a characteristic that every team that sustains championship contention over a long period of time has.[/quote]

Dont listen to RavensIQ.

Your right Neepo.

[size=3][b]Lets start pushing for Bart Scott at MLB. Ray Lewis will only hold us down.[/b][/size]

cmon people. Lets push for him now.
That way Ray Lewis will get the point.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='neepo13' post='95307' date='Nov 26 2008, 05:55 PM']LMAO. Way to overreact and add words to my post RavensIQ, I dont expect anything different from you. Let me break this down for you, so you can understand READ SLOWLY because I am not repeating this again. Ray Lewis is a great player for our defense BUT he is not the entire defense. We still have the players to have a top 10 defense without Ray Lewis. Does he make the players on our D better? Yes, but how many times have people on this very board complained about the defense having to carry our team? They do it all the damn time, we've even seen it this season. The money that we may have to spend to match a contract that another team might offer Ray Lewis, we could probably sure up several positions on our offense, add depth to our defense, and still have money to keep Scott, who is solid not Ray Lewis but solid, and Suggs. Lets see how high your IQ really it is what sounds like a better team? 1) Having good depth on defense, Suggs, Scott, Brown,an offensive playmaker, and players that can sure up our offense or 2) Ray Lewis, Suggs, hopefully Brown, and maybe some offensive rejects from another team? If you choose option 2, well then prepare for this team to be stuck in mediocrity with no balance and no depth like it has been for most of this decade. My point is because you cant have your cake and eat it to. If this team can use the money that it has to pay Ray Lewis to sure up other positions on this team, so that it can become a balanced team that can win games on offense or defense and have depth so that we are not dependent on star players and injuries, which people here also complain about dont affect us so much, then they need to do it. Thats the formula that the New York Giants use, the formula that the Pittsburgh Steelers use, the formula that the New England Patriots use, and its also a characteristic that every team that sustains championship contention over a long period of time has.[/quote]

No, I'm not over reacting neepo. I just don't like stupid people saying stupid ****.

[SickBoy]

If we absolutely had to choose between Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis, and Bart Scott, Ray would have to be the odd man out only because of age. It wasn't easy for the 49ers to let Jerry Rice go to Oakland. It wasn't the nice thing to do when the Titans let Steve McNair come to Baltimore. It will not be our favorite decision when the Ravens and Ray Lewis part ways but it may have to happen one day. This is a business and in professional sports you can only move forward!!!
[size=2]I'd much rather see C.Mac, Trevor Price, Todd Heap, Kyle Boller, Willis McGahee, and/or Samari Rolle go before any of our linebackers.[/size]

[neepo13]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='95310' date='Nov 26 2008, 05:59 PM']Dont listen to RavensIQ.

Your right Neepo.

[size=3][b]Lets start pushing for Bart Scott at MLB. Ray Lewis will only hold us down.[/b][/size]

cmon people. Lets push for him now.
That way Ray Lewis will get the point.[/quote]


You and RavensIQ deserve each other. We run a 3-4, genius. Which means we use them both, you know like at the same time. Which is why we are supposed to be talking about the offseason not RIGHT NOW. This is your thread and you cant even keep up. Silly me for looking into the future. I should just stop using my own brain and let you do my thinking for me.

[neepo13]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='95316' date='Nov 26 2008, 06:07 PM']No, I'm not over reacting neepo. I just don't like stupid people saying stupid ****.[/quote]

Well, you must really dislike yourself.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='neepo13' post='95319' date='Nov 26 2008, 02:10 PM']You and RavensIQ deserve each other. We run a 3-4, genius. Which means we use them both, you know like at the same time. Which is why we are supposed to be talking about the offseason not RIGHT NOW. This is your thread and you cant even keep up. Silly me for looking into the future. I should just stop using my own brain and let you do my thinking for me. [/quote]

I keep telling you your right.

Screw off season when we can start now.

That way someone can step up.

Whats the use of waiting till he leaves?
Lets get at it right now so we know who to use next to Bart Scott.

[neepo13]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='95322' date='Nov 26 2008, 06:13 PM']I keep telling you your right.

Screw off season when we can start now.

That way someone can step up.

Whats the use of waiting till he leaves?
Lets get at it right now so we know who to use next to Bart Scott.[/quote]

You know what I have an even better idea. Why dont we just cut half our team and write Ray Lewis a blank check? He's worth it, so what if we cant upgrade anything else.

[#1 D]

ok, back to reality. I think we can keep all lb's in my opinion...but if someone has to go, ill have to say Bart. I mean Bart is awesome, but i see just soo much in our other younger LB's too. I wanna keep ray lewis becuase of his leadership skills. I mean bart can be a leader too, but heck if ray can mentor a WR from [i]another [/i]team, (Chad Johnson) i think he can do a good job of teaching the ropes to the younger Jameel McClain and Antwan Barnes. Antwan looks like the man with a lot of talent here, i really think he could use mentoring from Lewis. Let's not forget our other LB's in Tavares Gooden and Prescott Burgess. I think all these linebackers would love to have Ray Lewis mentoring them.

As for Terrell Suggs, I think that he's just too damn young and too damn good to let go. that's my reason.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='jfc13' post='95282' date='Nov 26 2008, 04:40 PM']Nope. Gotta keep Ray. There are intangibles to be considered. Ray is still playing great. I know he may only have 5 years left, but the intangibles he brings to the team is worth the price, in my opinion. It scares me when anyone mentions getting rid of him. I honestly think we would flounder for a while without him. I hope they can reach some kind of agreement that doesn't paralyze the team with the salary cap.[/quote]
Absolutely, I agree. I think that Ray had a very big influence on the team to buy into the Harbs new program. My guess is that if Ray did not get on board, probably the rest of the team would not have joined the HAarbs program either (even though I believe there was a few holdouts C-Mac and Willis come to mind). Also, Ray is the heart and soul of this team. Let's not talk about Stats and pay, let's consider the intangibles Ray brings to the team. Leadership, motivation, continuity on the defensive side of the ball. I believe that Ray is the face of our franchise and that the Ravens would not be as good of a team without him. Ray must retire a Raven. To see him go into the Hall of Fame (which he will) wearing another teams jersey is unthinkable to me. I think that Ray and the team can reach an agreement that both sides can live with. GO RAVENS, GO RAY

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='95300' date='Nov 26 2008, 05:35 PM']Listen to what you just said...Seriously re-read it over and over again until it sinks in and when it does you can finally kick yourself in the ****** for being so stupid. Not all MLBs are Ray Lewis and to deny his impact for the Baltimore Ravens success is crazy. Do you really believe our defense would be the same without Ray Lewis? Do you really think Bisciotti is gonna ignore the impact Ray Lewis has on the fan base, on ticket prices, on his business, on the game? Ray Lewis goes to another team bcuz the Ravens don't want to pay him will cuz a mass riot and half of Baltimore will go after Bisciotti.

Have you forgotten that Ray Lewis is the greatest linebacker to ever play the game and he DESERVES to be paid. Ray Lewis DESERVES TO BE PAID.

Ray Lewis is one of the best players in the entire league, [b]THE ENTIRE LEAGUE[/b] and you think he has to take a pay cut?? whaaaa???[/quote]
Amen, borther. Very well stated

[neepo13]

[quote name='#1 D' post='95330' date='Nov 26 2008, 06:32 PM']
ok, back to reality. I think we can keep all lb's in my opinion...but if someone has to go, ill have to say Bart. I mean Bart is awesome, but i see just soo much in our other younger LB's too. I wanna keep ray lewis becuase of his leadership skills. I mean bart can be a leader too, but heck if ray can mentor a WR from [i]another [/i]team, (Chad Johnson) i think he can do a good job of teaching the ropes to the younger Jameel McClain and Antwan Barnes. Antwan looks like the man with a lot of talent here, i really think he could use mentoring from Lewis. Let's not forget our other LB's in Tavares Gooden and Prescott Burgess. I think all these linebackers would love to have Ray Lewis mentoring them.

As for Terrell Suggs, I think that he's just too damn young and too damn good to let go. that's my reason. [/quote]

I agree. In the perfect world we'd be able to keep all three and if not, then Lewis and Suggs would be fine but we cant sell our entire future to keep him here. We have to face the fact that it might be better cap wise to keep Scott and Suggs, and let Lewis walk. If Ray takes a reasonable deal then this whole disscussion is moot but their is a very real possibility that he wont. And if thats the case we dont need to pull out all the stops to keep him.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='neepo13' post='95307' date='Nov 26 2008, 05:55 PM']LMAO. Way to overreact and add words to my post RavensIQ, I dont expect anything different from you. Let me break this down for you, so you can understand READ SLOWLY because I am not repeating this again. Ray Lewis is a great player for our defense BUT he is not the entire defense. We still have the players to have a top 10 defense without Ray Lewis. Does he make the players on our D better? Yes, but how many times have people on this very board complained about the defense having to carry our team? They do it all the damn time, we've even seen it this season. The money that we may have to spend to match a contract that another team might offer Ray Lewis, we could probably sure up several positions on our offense, add depth to our defense, and still have money to keep Scott, who is solid not Ray Lewis but solid, and Suggs. Lets see how high your IQ really it is what sounds like a better team? 1) Having good depth on defense, Suggs, Scott, Brown,an offensive playmaker, and players that can sure up our offense or 2) Ray Lewis, Suggs, hopefully Brown, and maybe some offensive rejects from another team? If you choose option 2, well then prepare for this team to be stuck in mediocrity with no balance and no depth like it has been for most of this decade. My point is because you cant have your cake and eat it to. If this team can use the money that it has to pay Ray Lewis to sure up other positions on this team, so that it can become a balanced team that can win games on offense or defense and have depth so that we are not dependent on star players and injuries, which people here also complain about dont affect us so much, then they need to do it. Thats the formula that the New York Giants use, the formula that the Pittsburgh Steelers use, the formula that the New England Patriots use, and its also a characteristic that every team that sustains championship contention over a long period of time has.[/quote]
Yeah - Only difference is that none of the teams you mention have Ray Lewis. WE DO!

[neepo13]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' post='95335' date='Nov 26 2008, 06:40 PM']Yeah - Only difference is that none of the teams you mention have Ray Lewis. WE DO![/quote]

None of them have him and they have all won championships, the Patriots 3 with 3 different rosters... I wonder!