New England Patriots are weaker and everything Aaron Hernandez related

[arnie_uk]

Very very different.   Ray Lewis and his friends were involved in an altercation with random people outside a night club.  A fight went down and his friends stabbed the other two men.   They all fled, Ray Lewis was charged with obstruction of justice and the other two let off on a a count of self-defense.
 
In the Hernandez case we have them all 4 in a car together.  All friends driving in the same car hanging out together.  Lloyd was killed and 3 of the men returned back to Hernandez' house.  It's a very different case.  Not a fight with random people.  On top of that they hid the body, fled, and destroyed evidence.  At that point, especially if Hernandez was driving the car where they killed him, he becomes and accessory to murder.  Not just obstruction of justice.

im talking about people accusing them both of murder when they both could be innocent

[ravensfan2430]

As much as I'd like to burn Hernandez for what he may have done, I'll wait for the facts to come out. At this stage in the process the media has 1% of the story, but they make it seem like they know everything. They report things that are more than 7 degrees of seperation from the actual source as stone cold facts.   

[dhstandard]

im talking about people accusing them both of murder when they both could be innocent

Ok, that makes more sense.  Either way he will most likely be an accessory to murder.  If they deem this premeditated as well it will be 100% worse.  Ray Lewis' case happened during a fight and he had little control.

 

It looks like they drove Lloyd out to this spot in order to execute him.  Hernandez owned the cars on top of it all and they 3 returned to his house afterwards.  

 

I'm not saying he committed the murder.  But if all this is true he is just as responsible as his friends who did.

[easternshore97]

and I bet you had a winge when people accused ray of being quilty before he was proved innocent, your dosing the same thing. Double standards.

He's guilty of nothing at this point yet everyone has the electric chair wired up for him

Edit quoted the wrong person here

I don't know if you're coming at me or if you quoted me by mistake.

 

If you're challenging me, a lawsuit has been filed or is about to be? That would directly challenge moderator's assertion that Hernandez will continue to have a friendly media coverage...at least that's my assumption. They are already digging into the man's past for other occurences or incidents of which they can't even prove he was a culprit or related and they are already bringing up friends from the past that gave people the willys...We've learned this over the course of 48 hours...they will probably have 2 more inconclusive "incidents by days end

 

So If you're challenging my assumption that his media coverage will be relatively un-biased, I highly doubt that. I said nothing about the man being guilty

[Cville-Raven]

A guilty verdict for obstruction of justice in a double homicide only got Ray Lewis a fine and no suspension. Apparently, the NFL is much more concerned about marijuana and adderall.

This is Roger Goodell,penalties have gotten much worse. Just look at Ben.

[arnie_uk]

Ok, that makes more sense.  Either way he will most likely be an accessory to murder.  If they deem this premeditated as well it will be 100% worse.  Ray Lewis' case happened during a fight and he had little control.
 
It looks like they drove Lloyd out to this spot in order to execute him.  Hernandez owned the cars on top of it all and they 3 returned to his house afterwards.  
 
I'm not saying he committed the murder.  But if all this is true he is just as responsible as his friends who did.

he could very well, but every single person here gets bent out of shape when someone says something about ray Lewis yet they are doing the same thing here. It's double standards. I'm going to wait to he's quilty or not to judge. UNO like everyone here would wish every one else would with ray

[arnie_uk]

I don't know if you're coming at me or if you quoted me by mistake.
 
If you're challenging me, a lawsuit has been filed or is about to be? That would directly challenge moderator's assertion that Hernandez will continue to have a friendly media coverage...at least that's my assumption. They are already digging into the man's past for other occurences or incidents of which they can't even prove he was a culprit or related and they are already bringing up friends from the past that gave people the willys...We've learned this over the course of 48 hours...they will probably have 2 more inconclusive "incidents by days end
 
So If you're challenging my assumption that his media coverage will be relatively un-biased, I highly doubt that. I said nothing about the man being guilty

quoted you by mistake lol

[Moderator 3]

[quote name="arnie_uk" post="1497861" timestamp="1371758797"]he could very well, but every single person here gets bent out of shape when someone says something about ray Lewis yet they are doing the same thing here. It's double standards. I'm going to wait to he's quilty or not to judge. UNO like everyone here would wish every one else would with ray[/quote]

And that's a very admirable position to take, but so far the information that has come out is very damning. This could take months to play out and, in the meanwhile, people are going to form OPINIONS. Let's not argue too much over anyone's opinion.

[JO_75]

he could very well, but every single person here gets bent out of shape when someone says something about ray Lewis yet they are doing the same thing here. It's double standards. I'm going to wait to he's quilty or not to judge. UNO like everyone here would wish every one else would with ray

 

You know what else is a double standard? Steelers fans who defended Ben for his rape case while trashing Ray and it will be a double standard when Patriots fans trash Ray and yet will defend Hernandez. Let's see how they like it.

[Purple_ICE 81]

im talking about people accusing them both of murder when they both could be innocent

Your right in the sense that people should not jump the gun and assume Hernandez is guilty of murder. I think the important thing to take away from all of this is that Aaron Hernandez may have played his last snap as a Patriot and quite possibly an NFL player.

 

Not only is he in the middle of all of this murder mystery stuff, he is also being sued by a man who claimed Hernandez shot him in the face this past February. Hernandez is in a tough spot

[arnie_uk]

And that's a very admirable position to take, but so far the information that has come out is very damning. This could take months to play out and, in the meanwhile, people are going to form OPINIONS. Let's not argue too much over anyone's opinion.

again, if people are judging him, they can't get out of shape when Other people say ray Lewis murdered someone because I'm sure that's their opinion

[arnie_uk]

You know what else is a double standard? Steelers fans who defended Ben for his rape case while trashing Ray and it will be a double standard when Patriots fans trash Ray and yet will defend Hernandez. Let's see how they like it.

see above

[GrimCoconut]

Talk about bad moves...giving long term contracts to one VERY injury prone tight end (Gronk) whos spending his vacation and time off getting surgeries...and another tight end who is not only quite injury prone as well...but now looking like a straight up thug.

Hernandez is also being sued by someone who said Hernandez shot him at a Miami nightclub this past Feb. causing him to lose his right right eye.

Now this murder mystery that left the body a mile away from Hernandez's home, with multiple rent a cars in Hernandez's name involved in the situation, calling in cleaning ladies to "scrub up" your mansion and destroying potential evidence in the case.

Hernandez is doomed, even if he is not found guilty of murder...obstruction of justice can lock you up for a long time too. One way or another it seems like Hernandez is covering something up and I feel like he wont be a Patriot sooner or later.

I'm so happy you mentioned this. I've Ben thinking it but never posted this. I kept forgetting. Thank you.

Now this is one of the reasons you don't give out extensions that early. The Patriots have a problem on their hands. Both their TE have some serious problems and they've given them some good money

[GrimCoconut]

clearly way over your head. Everyone accused ray of being guilty based on the evidence etc etc. and now everyone is immediately saying Hernandez is guilty, all I'm saying is we should wait until more comes to light.

H cold easily be covering for a friend and not be involved in the murder, just like a certain ray Lewis.

I agree.A man is innocent until proven guilty. That's the law. The evidence makes him look really bad but I'm sure there's more than the surface shows.

[rmw10]

I'm so happy you mentioned this. I've Ben thinking it but never posted this. I kept forgetting. Thank you.

Now this is one of the reasons you don't give out extensions that early. The Patriots have a problem on their hands. Both their TE have some serious problems and they've given them some good money

 

Problems that were pretty much known about as well.  Gronk dropped in the draft because of injuries and Hernandez because of drugs/being a thug.  I've always questioned why the Ravens seemingly don't take a chance on those with severe personality issues, and I think this finally shows why.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I'm so happy you mentioned this. I've Ben thinking it but never posted this. I kept forgetting. Thank you.

Now this is one of the reasons you don't give out extensions that early. The Patriots have a problem on their hands. Both their TE have some serious problems and they've given them some good money

Well luckily they gave Hernandez a 7 year 42M contract so they might be able to cut him without eating up too much money if they have to since he is not guaranteed too much $ and his base salaries are small. But yes...the premise of it all is that they gave 2 extensions to practically unworthy players...they have the talent but what good is talent if you are always injured and constantly partying and at night clubs where you can get into trouble just like Hernandez is now.

[easternshore97]

I know that's not going to happen, but it would probably be awesome if we all refrained from voicing opinion on the situation and just stuck to the facts.

 

The only fodder the haters from other teams need when they are trolling our site is to see one person voice how guilty they think he is or how he appears to be guilty.

[arnie_uk]

I know that's not going to happen, but it would probably be awesome if we all refrained from voicing opinion on the situation and just stuck to the facts.
 
The only fodder the haters from other teams need when they are trolling our site is to see one person voice how guilty they think he is or how he appears to be guilty.

yep, he hasn't even been arrested as yet

[ratedr]

Pitta/Dickson instead of Gronk/Hernandez sure looks pretty good right now...

[ravensdfan]

Well, if innocent, he's a full blown idiot. He's now guaranteed himself at least an obstruction of justice charge plus a tampering with evidence charge.

 

Good job.

[display name]

If he's innocent, hopefully he learned a lesson, just like Ray did. If he's guilty, well, the Pats had better make do with Gronk and his shirtless dancing, cause that'll be all that's left. And he's a good player, of course, but Hernandez will be a big loss.

[hawkprey]

I think the most condemning piece of evidence would be clear association between Hernandez and a gang. The body was dumped, and that's more indicative of gang activity. Most people try to hide the evidence (body), gangs typically don't.

[Moderator 2]

Innocent people don't smash cell phones and security cameras

[arnie_uk]

Innocent people don't smash cell phones and security cameras

your playing that game are you? They don't ditch their white suit either

[Moderator 2]

your playing that game are you? They don't ditch their white suit either

Both look bad BUT Rays case was adjudicated and he was guilty of obstruction and mentioning it is providing fodder for trolls and beating a dead horse. Personally I hope he is innocent so the NFL doesn't get the black eye.
I got called away or what I would have added to my post is that I can't believe he is so stupid to not know with a supeona you can get from your cell provider copies of text messages, who he called and voicemails. If his security is being monitored remotely they can supeona the security company and get copies and if he is recording on a DVR system at home there are companies that are really, really good at retrieving stuff from the most damaged hard drives. Smashing the stuff reeks of desperation and not thinking it through.

[1/28/01]

your playing that game are you? They don't ditch their white suit either

You're hitched pretty deep into bringing up Ray any chance you get here, huh?

[The Oakland Cathedral]

your playing that game are you? They don't ditch their white suit either

Just get over it, if people want to have their double standards, let them. And more importantly Ray wasn't innocent, he was convicted of obstruction of justice so you are basically just stating a fact that actually serves to support the argument of those who already believe Hernandez is guilty.

[ratedr]

We all know who's really responsible for all this stuff surrounding the Pats...

 

[berad]

We all know who's really responsible for all this stuff surrounding the Pats...

ROFL that's great!

[Grendelwulf21]

We all know who's really responsible for all this stuff surrounding the Pats...

 

 

You know his secret, he might be after you now! Ruuunnn!

Lmao hilarious