New England Patriots are weaker and everything Aaron Hernandez related

[Grapple Raven]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/28/19187965-3rd-man-held-in-aaron-hernandez-murder-probe-puma-drops-nfl-star?lite&gt1=43001

 

 

Third man held in Hernandez murder probe, and Puma drops Hernandez as pitchman as well.

 

This is interesting as this 2012 murder of two people could possibly be linked to the motive in the Lloyd murder, if as Hernandez claims that that he told Lloyd that he couldn't be trusted, when he heard that Lloyd had been talking to some people that Hernandez didn't like in one of the nightclubs they frequented.  Lloyd could have had information that would have linked Hernandez to the 2012 murders, and Hernandez could have killed Lloyd to shut him up.

 

Motive isn't necessary to prove a murder, but it does provide continuity for prospective jurors to hang their hat upon when connecting the dots to evidence and reasonable doubt.  This case gets more interesting by the day.

[ghost1986]

You may have lost the point. NFL is the least of his concerns right now...

Nah I didn't. I'm just saying that even after the trial, if and when he's found guilty, they're gonna make an example out of him. There have been all these players thinking they're above the law and I think (not 100% sure until the trial is done) that this will prove otherwise. I do feel bad for his family though. They're probably having to deal with the press all the time and that's also not good for the kid. As to those who had mentioned Ray Lewis, this is night and day. He was just with a bad crowd at the wrong time. He changed his life around and has done a lot not just for the league, but also for the community of Baltimore. And it's also not over for the Patriots. They're gonna have a rough year, but they're usually smart with their draft picks.

[BMORElegacy]

Saw this joke today: "I'm still picking up Hernandez for my fantasy team. He's going to catch more balls than anybody this year."

[rmw10]

Aaron Hernandez and OJ Simpson are driving in a car together.  Who's driving?

 

 

 

 

The cops.

[Grapple Raven]

If any of you were like I was listening to the arraignment and getting bits and pieces due to the poor quality of the audio...found this article that details the timeline laid out by the prosecution in Wednesdays arraignment:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/aaron-hernandez-murder-timeline-2013-6#

[flaccopoe]

No passing game for Brady, an aging kicker and a mediocre-at-best defense? Not good for NE. Luckily, they play in one of the weakest divisions, if not the weakest.

[rmw10]

If any of you were like I was listening to the arraignment and getting bits and pieces due to the poor quality of the audio...found this article that details the timeline laid out by the prosecution in Wednesdays arraignment:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/aaron-hernandez-murder-timeline-2013-6#

 

Thank you!  I'd been looking for something that details exactly what was said, but all I've seen were abbreviated versions.

[ratedr]

The Ray comparisons by many (especially Florio) are ridiculous.

There wasn't even 1% if the evidence there is on Hernandez. This is a planned hit.

Besides involving two NFL players they aren't even comparable.

It's amazing how Florio is using this PATRIOTS matter to try to make the Ravens look bad.

 

Example? This garbage: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/28/billick-explains-ravens-decision-to-rally-around-ray-lewis/

 

The media will do anything to protect the precious Patriots. :eyes:

[flynismo]

The only good to come out of all this...
the irony of all those [rude] fans in NE who mocked Ray Lewis, and the ones who mocked Torrey's brother's death. Karma is a ... beautiful thing

[Grapple Raven]

@rmw10  You are welcome!  I might be the only one but this case fascinates me on alot of levels.   Its like driving by an auto accident...ya know you shouldn't slow down and look, but ya just can't help it, lol.

[rmw10]

@rmw10  You are welcome!  I might be the only one but this case fascinates me on alot of levels.   Its like driving by an auto accident...ya know you shouldn't slow down and look, but ya just can't help it, lol.

 

I'm in the same boat haha.  I had an awesome class back in college that covered the George Huguely/Yeardley Love murder and now I get so interested in law cases that are heavy in the public.  Times like this are when I wish I was back in that class!

[BMORElegacy]

It's amazing how Florio is using this PATRIOTS matter to try to make the Ravens look bad.
 
Example? This garbage: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/28/billick-explains-ravens-decision-to-rally-around-ray-lewis/
 
The media will do anything to protect the precious Patriots. :eyes:

Florio is disgusting. I love how he conveniently omits the fact that those involved in the Ray Lewis case were acquitted.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

Florio is disgusting. I love how he conveniently omits the fact that those involved in the Ray Lewis case were acquitted.

And they were acquited based on self defense.

[flaccopoe]

Wonder what's going to happen with the double homicide investigation.

[PuRock]

Wonder what's going to happen with the double homicide investigation.

 

With how dumb Hernandez is, it'll probably be firmly connected within a couple days and they'll be working on the next one that pops up.  

 

The house of cards is crumbling.  

[SeaHawk]

I'm surprised by what the Pats organization is doing. They are allowing all fans to exchange their Hernandez jersey for any other team player's jersey. I have nothing but respect for that.

[Moderator 2]

It's amazing how Florio is using this PATRIOTSq matter to try to make the Ravens look bad.

Example? This garbage: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/28/billick-explains-ravens-decision-to-rally-around-ray-lewis/

The media will do anything to protect the precious Patriots. :eyes:

+ 100000000000!
I am so sick of everyone dumping on the Ravens 13 years later-- this is about the Pats NOT the Ravens! I really enjoyed Billicks piece that was linked to.

[I AM LEGEND]

It should be realll fun to throw some jokes at the pats and their fans in the years to come...for all the years of Ray Lewis jabs that they've thrown this will be a special time in my life...

[ratedr]

I'm surprised by what the Pats organization is doing. They are allowing all fans to exchange their Hernandez jersey for any other team player's jersey. I have nothing but respect for that.

I'm not. It's all PR.

 

They've built their image (with great assistance from the media) as an organization with "great class and high character guys" - the fraudulent "Patriot Way." They've been embracing character risks for years. So this whole distancing themselves from Hernandez thing because it's "the right thing to do" smacks of self-congratulation, as it was the ONLY thing to do. They had no choice, the evidence is ridiculously overwhelming.

[ratedr]

It's amazing how Florio is using this PATRIOTS matter to try to make the Ravens look bad.

 

Example? This garbage: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/28/billick-explains-ravens-decision-to-rally-around-ray-lewis/

 

The media will do anything to protect the precious Patriots. :eyes:

lol which Patriots fan negged this?

 

Your team is no different than any other, that BS "Patriot Way" has always been a farce. Accept it.

[rmw10]

I'm not. It's all PR.

 

They've built their image (with great assistance from the media) as an organization with "great class and high character guys" - the fraudulent "Patriot Way." They've been embracing character risks for years. So this whole distancing themselves from Hernandez thing because it's "the right thing to do" smacks of self-congratulation, as it was the ONLY thing to do. They had no choice, the evidence is ridiculously overwhelming.

 

I do think the whole "Patriot Way" thing is very suspect, as they've made some very questionable decisions in choosing players in the past.  Guys like Haynesworth, Ochocinco, Lloyd, etc. didn't fit this so called way that they speak of.

 

However, I think the Patriots did the correct thing in this situation, PR move or not.  They handled this how I'd expect the Ravens to handled a similar situation.  No, the Ray situation is not similar, before anyone comments on that.  This was a move that did garner some respect for the Pats organization.

[GrimCoconut]

I do think the whole "Patriot Way" thing is very suspect, as they've made some very questionable decisions in choosing players in the past. Guys like Haynesworth, Ochocinco, Lloyd, etc. didn't fit this so called way that they speak of.

However, I think the Patriots did the correct thing in this situation, PR move or not. They handled this how I'd expect the Ravens to handled a similar situation. No, the Ray situation is not similar, before anyone comments on that. This was a move that did garner some respect for the Pats organization.

Agreed. I think something lost here is this and Ray are two entirely different circumstances. Hernandez has been portrayed as committing premeditated murder where the murder was committed in execution style. The Atlanta incident is different because it wasn't someone Ray knew. Entirely different story and background.

Patriots fans will point to Lewis as a form of hope towards Hernandez' innocence but the reality is that it's entirely different with the only similarity being that Ray and him are two players who were involved in murder cases.

If Ray was a Patriot and Hernandez was a Raven we may very well have two entirely different outlooks and media opinion.

[hawkprey]

I hate people who try to compare this to Ray Lewis' case. As if everyone who's a suspect is equally as guilty. It's not a case of "We stuck by our murderer". Every case is different.

[flaccopoe]

I hate people who try to compare this to Ray Lewis' case. As if everyone who's a suspect is equally as guilty. It's not a case of "We stuck by our murderer". Every case is different.

 

Interesting new avi, btw.

[I AM LEGEND]

I'm literally steamin after reading that profootball link ...I could type a novel but ill refrain...

The differences between aaron and ray are light and day...but ill leave it at that


What I will say is, I'm not buyin the whole Pats come out looking classy and clean talk. Nor am I buying that they didn't have inside information on what he was about to be charged with..

Does anyone really think the Pats had no knowledge of the inner workings of this investigation...and they, just like the Ravens gathered critical information based on what they were told and finally when they found out it was murder they released him..

They had almost a week to cut him if they were really such a classy clean organization but they waited to see what was gonna come out...when 90% of people thought Aaron was just gonna get obstruction of justice I didn't see the pats cutting him then...but they miraculously cut him a couple hrs before the murder charge comes down...coincidence? No.

[Gordo52]

Love the jersey exchange the pats are doing.

And to all those envious fans comparing this to Ray Lewis's case and bringing it up, please be quiet!

[easternshore97]

Agreed. I think something lost here is this and Ray are two entirely different circumstances. Hernandez has been portrayed as committing premeditated murder where the murder was committed in execution style. The Atlanta incident is different because it wasn't someone Ray knew. Entirely different story and background.

Patriots fans will point to Lewis as a form of hope towards Hernandez' innocence but the reality is that it's entirely different with the only similarity being that Ray and him are two players who were involved in murder cases.

If Ray was a Patriot and Hernandez was a Raven we may very well have two entirely different outlooks and media opinion.

Nevermind the fact that there is another isolated incident that Hernandez was involved in, with a handgun, suggesting that he leads a specific lifestyle and that these concerns about his character or more than just allegations

[MTRavensFan]

Nevermind the fact that there is another isolated incident that Hernandez was involved in, with a handgun, suggesting that he leads a specific lifestyle and that these concerns about his character or more than just allegations

Or that police were aware of his presence in that club last July, where a drive-by left two people dead.

A month BEFORE the Pats gave him the huge contract- I guess no red flags there, right?

 

Methinks the emperor has no clothes.

[BMORElegacy]

The Patriot Way is a sick joke. If the Patriot Way is poor sportsmanship, arrogance, expected favoritism from officials, illegal videotaping, and having low character athletes on your payroll then I don't understand why it's such a badge of honor.

Play Like a Raven > The Patriot Way

[ravens533]

After all the news this week about Aaron Hernadez, I still can't figure out if this guy is that dumb or that arrogant. He has made so many mistakes and the police have been getting all the evidence they need to really put this guy away. Did he think his connections to the gang was his protection? Just can't figure out which it is. But I am leaning towards dumb. Even if his thinking was his gang or public image would save him, that was dumb too.